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Finnigan2004
23-08-2012, 14:53
I suppose that this thread would be mostly directed at Canadians and Australians, but anyone is obviously welcome to contribute. In any case, I have noticed that my GW purchases (which have tapered off a little anyhow) have completely ended with the embargo. I used to be absolutely loyal to GW mail order, GW stores, and my local gaming store for GW purchases-- of which I have made many, many thousands of dollars worth over the years. When the prices started to rise and our Canadian currency became relatively strong, I started using Maelstrom and Miniature Market for my purchases.

I kept this up, despite the near death of WHFB in my locality-- both in casual and tournament play. I love the game and love the fluff, so I persevered to get in the odd game here and there. I would have happily continued along this path, had I been able to continue getting reasonably priced models. Unfortunately, GW slapped their embargo on, which I ran into headlong when trying to purchase a rule book. Now, I keep thinking that I should get back into 40k (fantasy not being an option), but run into that ninety dollar plus tax rule book barrier whenever I get in the store and ponder going up to the counter. I then see something like the Privateer Colossals book for well under half the price, and I just never manage to get that GW book from the shelf to the check out. This is just one example, and mail order discounters in Canada just don't save enough money to make it worthwhile because once shipping is applied, you don't save much. If I made the massive orders that I used to, it might be, but $200.00 Canadian only gets you about one finecast dark elf unit (for example) now days, so it's a tough pill to swallow.

I guess what I'm saying is that the embargo has been the coup de grace for my GW gaming. I'm curious how many others have seen this happen as a result of the embargo. I'm also curious how many people used to order online, but have decided to pay the jacked up prices in store as a result of the embargo.

arthurfallz
23-08-2012, 15:22
I wasn't aware the embargo was affecting Canada, though I buy most of my things from my FLGS. The time or three I've bothered going to a GW store, I was unimpressed with the prices and selection. But they're such small holes-in-the-wall, that's no shock.

What I'm curious about is where can I read more about this embargo? How is it being applied?

Kisanis
23-08-2012, 15:29
I second arthurfallz...
I think we may even shop at the same store...

All i know is that GC mini's was a good 'go to' mailorder store before the whole HST thing with BC and Ontario happened.

I really hope we get that CAN-EU FTA; it'll be a horn in the side of GW's pricing policies.

arthurfallz
23-08-2012, 15:47
I second arthurfallz...
I think we may even shop at the same store...

I shop at J&J's and Just by Chance, alternating between the two. J&J's has a greater selection and prices, but JBC has some great people running it, so if they have something I'll try and pick it up there first.

All I've seen is a never-ending price increase over the past few years that is well above the standard rate of inflation.

Finnigan2004
23-08-2012, 15:55
Hey guys:

I'm from BC, so yeah, I looked at Great Canadian, but no dice. I never thought the embargo effected us with US discounters, until I tried to buy something from miniature market. Apparently, shipping to us is a no go. Not sure where you can read more about the embargo, but there was plenty here about it. I just assumed that Canada US trade would be exempted, but not so.

Llew
23-08-2012, 16:53
I wonder if limiting US/Canada shipments is in any way a violation of NAFTA? I understand GW can ask for it, but as a U.S. company they'd be bound by the terms of the larger agreement. I don't know for sure that there's anything in the agreement that would have a bearing on this, but it may be worth researching.


EDIT: Nope...looks like a non-starter. The main effects were on investments and tariffs, but nothing broader about restrictions or lack thereof on trade.

Promethius
23-08-2012, 20:26
I'm not from either region, but there does seem to be a general 'price embargo', which to me is diminishing value for money. My spending has diminished dramatically over the last few years and I have moved to different companies who provide a much better product. The avatars of war kits are imo better quality and better value for money.

The problem is more acute in Australia, but GW have constantly ratcheted up their prices beyond the point of casual purchase so that I just can't justify the cost for what I am getting. If kits were 15 I might buy them without thinking. At current prices I simply decide to keep the money. That might be less of an inditement if I was a student with a poor salary; actually I have a good salary and could be spending it on models but I honestly don't think the GW ones are worth it.

angora
23-08-2012, 21:45
The prices are high enough now that a blister is no longer a "casual" purchase. At $28 it does rather take some thinking about. If It's a mini I love I'll still buy but I don't just wander in and grab one now. Oppose this with other ranges like Reaper or Infinity where blisters are well below the $20 mark and I buy them all the time just 'co I get the "Oooo...shiny" syndrome in my LGS.

Flash Felix
23-08-2012, 23:36
I bought a High Elf army just before the embargo hit, and that'll keep me going for a while, so technically though I've stopped buying, there's not much difference; it merely concentrated the spend into one month, rather than a year.

But I'm thinking about a Chaos Warrior army. And if I do, then it will be almost completely with Avatars of War and Gamezone figures, though Marauders will be an issue; I might just have to settle for whatever comes via Trade Me/EBay (unless historical Vikings scale well). But I do not intend to buy any new figures from GW. Should I do an Orc or Empire army, I'll be using Mantic and Perry War of the Roses figures respectively.

I like GW's products, and I'd love to buy them. But if they're going to shaft Kiwi fans just for living in New Zealand, they can bugger off.

New Cult King
23-08-2012, 23:40
It's pushed me from random aesthetic purchases from other games/companies to buying full forces, fleets etc., and not buying anything else from GW ever again. I'd say it was a success :D

Zenithfleet
24-08-2012, 04:21
Australia here. The embargo + finecast + prike hike combo pretty much KO'd my 'as new' hobby spending. I used to wander into the FLGS and grab a few kits at their discount. Even went into GW sometimes to buy from the shelf or order something from GW Direct, just because it was convenient. But since the Great Blockade, I've only picked up the occasional pot of paint from them. Everything else has been secondhand items from eBay or forum trades.

When I caught advance warning of the embargo, I put in a big order to Maelstrom like many others just before the steel doors slammed. I remember putting in the order after the yearly price hike in the UK, but before the corresponding price rise in Oz... yet I paid about $300 AUD for an order that would have cost about $650 from GW Australia. :shifty:

Confession: I did break my boycott this month (the shame!) to grab a couple of Specialist Games things, since they're a) still metal and b) fairly stable pricewise. Don't tell anyone. :angel:

Fizzy
24-08-2012, 06:09
I have no problem since I live in Sweden. Same prices and such. But I still buy from Wayland games if I want GW products. Except for really new things with limited stuff. Then I buy from GW.

Otherwise my armies are mostly built around FW. So I dont care that much for other GW products. Only paints and some brushes.

paddyalexander
24-08-2012, 09:42
The Republic of Ireland isn't effected by the trade embargo but we are in a situation that highlights gwPLCs' insane international pricing. gwPLC use a 40% conversion rate when switching from Pound Sterling to Euro, at the moment the current real exchange rate is between 20%-25% and for a number of years it was between 15%-20%.

The closest gwPLC Hobby Store TM (and the only one in the RoI) to me is a three hour drive away in Dublin, selling at full Euro retail. The next nearest is in Belfast, a four and a quarter hour drive away where I can walk in and get a 15%-20% discount on the RRP Euro by buying at the full Pound Sterling Price.

What used to be hillarious was that if you special ordered anything in the Dublin store they would have to charge you in Sterling, effectively giving you what was at the time a 25% discount (real exchange rate was pretty steady at the 15% mark at the time).

Now combine this discount from gwPLCs' exchange rate discrepancy with British online stores that offer an addittional discount & use the real current international exchange rates and you end up with a pretty heafty discount when ordering online. The funny thing is even with all these discounts gwPLCs' products are still too expensive.

Shadey
25-08-2012, 09:46
I selected "I have stopped buying" which is mostly true (and it is what I said I would do). The only things I have picked up this year is 1 pot of mechite red, 1 liquid greenstuff and I broke down and got the Ork Bomma.

On the other hand I have spent over 1500 AUD on non GW hobby stuff, minis, tools etc. Micromark, Antenociti's and the CMON store have all seen a couple of orders from me and this isn't including the mass of Reaper Bones miniatures and the Sedition Wars ones I have incoming.

@Llew,

There was similar concerns here with Australia's free trade agreements but nothing resulted from multiple complaints to the ACCC and other watchdogs from multiple people. Either they decided it wasn't worth following up or it technically didn't violate anything.

CamNZ
25-08-2012, 10:40
The pricing is out of control the new "Dark vengeance" is 58.50 at maelstrom which works out to be NZ$114. GW is advertising it on their regional site for NZ$210! Nearly $100 more!

So my question is, does anyone know of any good Uk mail forwarding companies? So that I can pay a fair price.

Shadey
25-08-2012, 11:27
I am lucky enough to have family and long term friends in England. They would be preferred but I am guessing you don't have that option?

I will pm you a link for another thread in an unrelated forum. I should emphasize, I can't personally attest to the posts or the services recommended, but it's there for your judgement of course.

Finnigan2004
25-08-2012, 14:02
The pricing is out of control the new "Dark vengeance" is 58.50 at maelstrom which works out to be NZ$114. GW is advertising it on their regional site for NZ$210! Nearly $100 more!

So my question is, does anyone know of any good Uk mail forwarding companies? So that I can pay a fair price.

So, funny story. I read your post and thought that what you were talking about was one of the roleplaying books. I was going to look on amazon because I think that you can get them there. I googled it, and it turns out it's the new 40k boxed set on advance order. Not to fear though, I'll be informed by White Dwarf about a month after release (I stopped checking the rumor forums when they dried up). Well played GW, well played.

Dai-Mongar
25-08-2012, 16:46
I may see about getting some of the chaos cultists from the new 40k starter second hand at auction. Even then, I'll wait till the initial hype dies down. In fact, I won't need them until some time in March next year when my Reaper Bones arrive, because that's what I'll be using them with. If that counts as still buying, then I guess I still am.

Geep
26-08-2012, 06:07
The poll misses the option of 'Embargo? What embargo?'

It has made no difference to me at all. Plenty of online retailers still happily ship over here (Australia) and the price continues to remain significantly lower than our own retail costs (even after shipping, and often being sold at or above the retail cost in the country it comes from). It would, of course, be cheaper still if I could just order directly from GW UK with sensible postage, but I'm happy enough with the available discounts.

StormCrow
26-08-2012, 06:36
Rather ironically I stopped buying and have now saved up enough money to go on a holiday to the US and buy GW products. It wasn't my intention but new demons demand my custom

canberraguy
26-08-2012, 21:22
I am buying online from overseas. For example I bought the new 40k rulebook on the web for A$62 including postage. If I wanted to buy it in Australia it would have cost about A$110 or so if I shopped around.

I do not mind supporting local business usually but when the difference is so much I simply cannot. Same goes for Black Library books and so on. A local store in Wagga has closed recently due to people buying online. It is a real shame but I could not pay double simply to support him.

manickze
26-08-2012, 22:42
GW effectively killed our local independant gaming store in Wellington and I'm not sure what keeps the local GW store afloat. From an online retailer I can get my stuff delivered to NZ at 45% less than the cost of retail including shipping, it's almost new, everything comes in a sprue but I miss out on the box art. You just have to do a bit of research as to what type of companies can sell to you online. The GW racket of protectionist prices has got to be illegal. $210 NZ for the new starter set is daylight robbery. I'll be able to get mine for about $100 US.

That being said I have sepnt most of the money I would have on GW on other companies like Mantic and Reaper.

Shadey
27-08-2012, 04:22
I am buying online from overseas. For example I bought the new 40k rulebook on the web for A$62 including postage. If I wanted to buy it in Australia it would have cost about A$110 or so if I shopped around.

I do not mind supporting local business usually but when the difference is so much I simply cannot. Same goes for Black Library books and so on. A local store in Wagga has closed recently due to people buying online. It is a real shame but I could not pay double simply to support him.

It is unfortunate but they only have themselves to blame, which makes them calling out Maelstrom/Wayland's etc even more offensive.

Like manickze I did pick up a few things for 45% but I also felt obligated, despite the massive disparity to support my LGS when I could. One of my last GW purchases was the Ork Stompa for 160 AUD from my LGS when I could have gotten it for something like 75. I can't do it all the time, but he is a friend and I know the effort he goes to for me. He has been having issues ordering stuff for me from GW for years. My last two items have been on order for about 10 months but GW for whatever reason haven't supplied him.

I will still get the odd thing from him, damn plastic sisters, but I will never get another thing direct from GW Oz.

frozenwastes
05-09-2012, 10:50
I was just putting together an order for the Warriors of Chaos line (one of each of the plastic sets) when the embargo hit. With the "screw Canada pricing" it meant I would have gotten the product, to my door, for less than the local stores can get it at their wholesale price. I don't play WFB, but like the majority of GW's customers, I paint and collect and don't play their rules. But that was it. I wasn't going to be screwed into paying double and have bought nothing from GW since. I ended up getting some of the Gamezone (http://www.maelstromgames.co.uk/index.php?act=cat&cre=min-gmz-chs) chaos stuff instead and I'm glad I did. Fantastic stuff. And I just had to throw in one of these:

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Trasvi
05-09-2012, 11:56
I buy the occasional used lot off ebay, but by now i pretty much have all of my 40k needs covered. Now, I buy other companies' stuff: Dystopian Wars, Dust Warfare, Warmachine and Malifaux...