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AM1640
29-08-2012, 20:05
I am wondering what people think about armies that are generalized to be good at all aspects of the game but master of none versus the specialized armies that dominate in one or two aspects of the game and fail at the rest such as having several powerful mages and items that help to cast many big deadly spells and deny the opponent a magic phase? Which do you prefer to take? Which do you prefer to face? Why?

IcedCrow
29-08-2012, 20:25
You're asking what people think about a balanced army.

Balanced armies are IMO more fun to face because it's not loading up and trying to overwhelm in one phase of the game. However, I find balanced armies are a rare bird, especially in current game where magic is king, and the magic phase is so often overloaded.

Kayosiv
29-08-2012, 20:26
There really aren't any armies that are jack of all trades and master of none in warhammer. At the very least, everyone excels at something to the point that there aren't armies that excel nowhere or have no weaknesses but no strengths.

Gaius Marius
29-08-2012, 20:28
I always take (when possible) an army that is jack of all trades. Some armies don't lend themselves to shooting, dwarves have no magic etc. which makes it impossible to embrace all phases, but as multi-functional as possible is the goal for me. With too much emphasis on one or two elements you are playing "Rock, Paper, Scissors". One trick ponies are boring to play with and against. Also, dominating at one aspect of the game is misleading. Dominant close combat units can be wrecked by magic, shooting and maneuver, such that the combat superiority doesn't matter. The same applies to magic, shooting, maneuver etc. such that a blended approach, with experience, works best.

Gaius Marius
29-08-2012, 20:33
Oh and Iced Crow, that may just be your local Meta-game talking. Around here, magic is not that dominant, unless you are playing Storm of magic I suppose. Yes, people tend to field a Level 4 mage in 2000+ point games, but with the 2d6 magic generation I find that over-investing in magic just isn't rewarded.
As a plus, the more diverse and balanced your list, the less terrifying a bad magic phase is. If you play in a Deathstar heavy meta-game then Dwellers/MindRazor take on more game changing emphasis, and I can see the magic phase being 'most important'.
Cheers ~ Gaius M.

Enigmatik1
30-08-2012, 02:30
There really aren't any armies that are jack of all trades and master of none in warhammer. At the very least, everyone excels at something to the point that there aren't armies that excel nowhere or have no weaknesses but no strengths.

I dunno, Kayosiv. I think you could argue that most of the 8E books so far outside of Vampire Counts (since they lack meaningful shooting) could fit this bill.

Nymie_the_Pooh
30-08-2012, 03:44
I think it depends on the size of the game. The larger the game the more variety I tend to take. We are getting here locally into some smaller games. Not so much for time but because it is easier to get new people to invest in the game. I am much more likely to go toward specialized at the 500 upward of 1500 point range where I always have a mix going at 2500+. I haven't personally played in the 500 point games, but I know they are going on. Many, not all, of the local games seem to have been 1000 to 1500 over the Summer if playing in public which has been quite the shift. Specializing for that environment has worked better for me than trying to spread out into a bit of everything.

Lord Dan
30-08-2012, 04:07
It depends entirely on list construction.

Sh4d0w
30-08-2012, 08:56
Agree with lord dan here^

Dark Aly
31-08-2012, 16:15
I usually try for a balanced approach but recently I've been condidering and all cavalry empire force for a change, but they still participate in all the phases- just not equally. Playing against or with ultimate specialists is dull- just look at the hatred dwarf gunlines, teclis high elf and chosen deathstar style armies get. These are all examples of the most efficient specialised army and all are boring which is why I don't see/field them anymore.

variety is after all the spice of life.