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Mandragola
26-09-2012, 11:08
Hi all

I've had a few mark 3 guys knocking around for a while. Bought the unit they were going to be got written out of the army list before they were built. Now forgeworld is coming along with some actual rules for a legion list, so these guys have come out and might be the beginnings of a new army, or just a side project I do for my own entertainment. I normally churn armies out for tournaments rather than as painting projects, so it's nice to do something for its own sake once in a while.

I'm going for a 7th legion army, of Imperial fists. The idea for these guys is that they are early in the great crusade just setting out from Terra. I am mostly going with them because I think their yellow colour scheme will look good, but also because I like their character. But at this stage I'm not that sure what I'll be building so all I really have is a test mini. Here he is.

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020620.jpg

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020622.jpg

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020621.jpg

So he looks pretty good I think. I've had a look at Shaw3029's guys and I like the weathering he's done so I might try that out.

And here's the obligatory picture of where I'm sort of painting some more of them. I've given one of them a melta gun, and it turns out that tactical squads in the legion lists can't have them, so that's a bit of a problem! I think I'll just do a few more bolter guys until I can get hold of the army list.

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020623.jpg

Update 25.03.14. I thought I'd post a group shot of the army so far. It can actually be called an army now, with several proper units in it. It's gathering quite a few battle honours and even a couple of painting prizes. Read on, if you dare/care!

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1030492_zps28cd47ba.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1030492_zps28cd47ba.jpg.html)

shaw3029
26-09-2012, 18:25
Thats a good start!

Give the weathering a go. Its easy enough.

the damned artificer
26-09-2012, 19:14
Seconded, give the weathering a go :) And nice start as well ;)

Mandragola
27-09-2012, 21:36
Cheers.

Really not sure about the weathering. A bit of dust on their lower legs maybe. I want them to look like they are on campaign, not like your ones who have been under siege for months.

I've actually got a Contemptor Mortis and a couple of characters that I might paint up for this army. The dread would be cool.

Mandragola
28-09-2012, 20:20
So, an update. I dug out the contemptor that I mentioned, which had prevoiusly been basecoated to be a part of my 41st millenium marines. Since I normally play as wolves, this guy wasn't getting out very often (wolves can't have contemptor Mortis dreads), so he has gone back in time and turned yellow. Not finished yet, but I think he's starting to look cool so here's a WIP:

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020626.jpg

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020628.jpg

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020632.jpg

I'm having fun experimenting with blending the yellow. Not 100% happy with it all over, as the end colour doesn't seem that consistent. I need to get some yellow or orange ink I think.

I'm doing very dark metal to contrast with the brightness of the yellow and make the models feel industrial. it probably needs a highlight on the edges for both of them as so far I've just gone with boltgun metal with black ink or tin bitz with green.

The contemptor has some scrolls and purity seals on it. I need to paint these differently, so that one looks like real paper and the other looks like it's been painted on by the marines. Unsure how I'll go about this one. Also the scrollwork all over the front of the thing is folded so there's nowhere much to put any words really. Maybe a name, or three short words.

And now a group pic of the army so far!

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020634.jpg

Mandragola
30-09-2012, 02:06
Bit of progress, though not very much as I've been getting some cultists ready for a game of dark heresy. Here they are, though they are nothing special and this isn't a great photo, so I'm basically wasting your time...

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020647.jpg

I'm a fan of spending ages working on minor conversions that nobody will ever notice. I'm not a fan of having only one arm position and two leg positions for my marines, as supplied by forgeworld (though I gather this may soon change). Accordingly, I spent some time with my razor saw and these four guys, the first of whom has been subjected to some paint, and some awful photography.

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020635.jpg

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020640.jpg

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020642.jpg

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020643.jpg

See what I mean? Nobody will ever notice that I did anything! But then I suppose that all of this is for my own benefit anyway, so never mind. For what it's worth I'm happy with the results, which weren't all that difficult to achieve anyway and basically involved chopping the left legs off a pair of running legs and some standing ones, and swapping them. The guy with the hero rock to stand on has running legs with the bent leg rotated round and stuck on a rock. The guy with the open left hand in the terrible photo took the most work, messing around with both arms and introducing an open hand from the GK power armour set.

I'm sort of moving towards having a tactical squad built. Unsure what to do with the guy with melta, though probably a good plan will be to remove him from the unit and send him off to join a melta squad. I could see myself fielding a special weapons team in a proteus, or possibly an achilles. The achilles was invented by the imperial fists, apparently, but the model looks very 40k, not 30k, and I'm not sure if it would fit that well. I suppose I could mess around with it a bit to make it seem more old skool, or even do a conversion based on a proteus. Grateful for any suggestions on this as even if I don't agree I find that the discussions help me make up my mind.

SacredBoltgun
30-09-2012, 10:38
It`s the first time i`m seeing this and i realy realy realy like your yellow. Great looking Fists. Is it just GW Base Yellow+ GW Base Wash and then layer or is another unknown paint between?

Mandragola
30-09-2012, 11:05
Glad you like the yellow. It's pretty simple. Averland sunset base, wash with agrax earth shade then build up with a couple of layers of the standard layer yellow paint. I'm doing edges and some spot highlights with screaming skull. I'm happy with the result, most. Of the time. There are a few places where I've messed up the layers and erased the shading. Also a couple of bits around grilles where it can look a little scruffy.

I've been thinking a bit about things like chapter badges and unit markings. I need to decide whether to sculpt or paint the symbol, or maybe just stick with the VII. Not really sure so it's something I'll experiment with.

Sqallum
30-09-2012, 11:29
I like it. I am starting a pre heresy Death Guard soon, so I found this handy .:) The colour scheme is nice.

SacredBoltgun
30-09-2012, 13:07
I`d say go for paint the symbols. Your skills are (based on your paintet marines) by far good enough for that and i would love to see more of this awesome yellow stuff

Mandragola
05-10-2012, 20:42
Bit of a lull in painting the last few days, though I have been working a little bit on some more guys with bolters.

Progress of a sort has been made though. I now have a copy of the book with the legion army list in it. Huzzah! I've been having a good read of the various options (which irritatingly don't include a cyclone for my contemptor, grr!) and come up with a first draft of a 2000 point army list. I'm using the "Pride of the Legion" rite, making the veterans and terminators troops. Here you go:

Legion Praetor
Paragon Blade
Digital Lasers
Refractor Field

Legion Apothecary
Augury Scanner
Power Sword

Legion Contemptor Dreadnought
2x Kheres Pattern assault cannon
Havoc Launcher

Legion Veteran Squad
5 additional marines
2 Heavy Flamers (or melta guns, which would be a lot easier!)
Thunder Hammer for Sergeant
Rhino

Legion Terminator Squad (note, armament is pretty much just designed to use the stuff from a power fist set and a special weapons set, with two sets of bodies)
5 additional terminators
Cataphractii armour
Reaper autocannon
Plasma blaster
4 Power Fists
2 Pairs of Lightning Claws
2 Chainfists
2 Thunder Hammers
2 Combi-weapons

Legion Tactical Squad
8 additional marines
Additional combat blades
Power Fist
Legion Vexilla

Legion Storm Eagle Assault Gunship
Twin-linked multi-melta
Two twin-linked lascannon
Extra armour

Legion Predator Tank
Executioner plasma destroyer
Combi-bolter

Legion Vindicator
Dozer Blade

So that doesn't actually seem like all that much stuff at 2000 points. I don't have a lord of war in there, which is a bit of a shame in a way but Dorn isn't going to be out any time soon and I don't really want any super heavies, as that would not be useable in normal games.

I've kept the tactical squad at 18 so that they can fit inside the storm eagle, along with the Praetor and apothecary, if desired. I think I mostly won't do this, just running them on foot, but that option will be useful if I come up against heavy shooting armies.

I don't know if Forgeworld is going to do a deimos pattern vindicator. Hope they do, but in the mean time I have a couple of vindicators that can stand in, and possibly be given a coat of yellow paint.

From what I have now this won't be insanely expensive. Something like 300, not including the vindicator.

Mandragola
06-10-2012, 18:20
Ok, a small update in which I've actually done some painting and converting, resulting in an almost finished miniature to show you.

This guy is going to be my Legion Praetor. He's made from the jump pack chaplain. I cut off his left leg and rotated it round to make him run forwards, and gave him some new arms. The head is from the spacewolf power armour set and shoulder pads from chaos marines. Sword was from a grey knight. The position is inspired by a model I saw at Salute years ago, and I'm quite happy with how he looks.

He was initially painted in my old colours as a "counts as" Ragnar Blackmane. I don't see myself using Ragnar much in 6th, so he wasn't going to see any action. The addition of a mark 3 backpack and some yellow paint has sent him back in time 10,000 years.

Not finished yet. I want to add some sort of command insignia and personal heraldry. Not sure what this will be like and I think I'll address that sort of thing when I have a few more guys to use it on. Also not sure about the base as I'm thinking of using a different method for this army. He might get an entirely new one. The eldar helmet probably makes sense for a crusading 7th legion commander, though not if he fights in the heresy.

Too much talking, where are the pics?

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020670.jpg

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020669.jpg

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020652.jpg

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020659.jpg

So what do you think?

shaw3029
06-10-2012, 18:35
He looks cool! I like him alot.

Will you be trying out some weathering?

The list looks good with a lot of variety.

Mandragola
06-10-2012, 22:03
Glad you like.

Still not sure about the weathering, but mostly thinking I won't do it. I think there's a strong case for doing an army with a "gritty realism" aesthetic, such as your own, but instead I think I want this army to look like the shiny box-fresh marines of the crusade era. So this is an idealised vision of how they probably never actually looked, because I'm enjoying painting the yellow and don't want to lose it under armour chips and the dust of a thousand worlds.

So "knights in shining armour" is the way I'm taking this. Of course I might change my mind later and go to work on them with some mud, and I probably ought to at least try it out on a test mini at some point, but not at this stage.

Mandragola
07-10-2012, 03:53
This evening I've had a dig around in the bitz box for ways to make a heavy flamer. I came out with some GK bitz. Most of my GKs have psycannons (obviously), meaning that I have a bunch of psylencers and incinerators around - potentially enough to do this conversion several times over.

There's quite a bit of work still to be done. He will have a couple of fuel tanks on his back where the crude blobs of GS are currently holding the hose in place. I'm also going to work on the nozzles, to try and make them more like the RTB01 flamer nozzles. I'll give it a second handle where his left hand probably ought to be holding onto the heavy flamer rather more securely than he actually is.

I think this guy is going to look badass. Looking forward to finishing him.

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020671.jpg

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020672.jpg

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020674.jpg

I've been thinking about the storm eagle. I want one, but I want it to look more 30k than 40k. To achieve this, I'm thinking of giving it a nose like an imerial battleship, which should probably split in the middle to open and let the troops out. Please excuse the hasty paint image to give you an idea what I'm talking about (which is based on a pic from forgeworld's site, copywrite etc is theirs).

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/stormeagle2.jpg

Sounds crazy but it might work I suppose. Apparently the storm eagle is a pain to fit together, so building an entirely new nose might almost be easier than making it as designed.

Brother Heinrich
07-10-2012, 06:39
Love the paint job, though I have to say the Praetor comes off a little like he's skipping through a field of Daisies, just my 2 cents though.

Maidel
07-10-2012, 08:38
Love the paint job, though I have to say the Praetor comes off a little like he's skipping through a field of Daisies, just my 2 cents though.

Now you mention it, it does look a bit like he's lining up to boot the rock on the base into row Z...

I'm watching this thread because I'm really torn. Every time I look at the painting style part of me hates it (too much white) and party of me is really intrigued about it (especially seeing the shot from directly above).

Btw, the dreadnought it awesome I'm DEFINATELY not torn about that model.

Mandragola
07-10-2012, 10:32
Thanks guys. Always good to get some constructive feedback.

I think the Praetor might look better with his left arm in a different position. The idea is that he's let go of his sword with that hand to swing it in a big arc, but it sort of just looks like he's a kid pretending to be a plane.

Quite a fun option would be to replace his refractor field with a boarding shield. In game that would combo well with his paragon blade (it's a specialised weapon and the shield prevents a second weapon being used), giving him the same protection in cc but also defensive grenades. On the model it would be a good place to draw or sculpt stuff like his own heraldry and/or chapter details.

I'm still learning the paint scheme, trying out different levels of highlight, washes etc. only the Praetor has any actual white on him, with screaming skull as the normal top highlight. Might need a glaze on the Praetor.

Maidel
07-10-2012, 10:39
He's done in almost nmm?

Don't change the scheme on my behalf, as I said, I can't decide either way.

Mandragola
07-10-2012, 12:11
I hadn't thought about NMM but that's a really interesting point. I think sky/earth shading could look really good, if I can do it well enough.

Maidel
07-10-2012, 12:16
What I meant is you are already halfway there. You haven't gone for the gw standard edge highlights, nor have you gone for the full blended highlights towards multipule light sources. You've done (intentionally or not) a single light source (directly above) and you have chosen the highlights based on this light source.

It's why I'm finding it interesting to see what you do next.

SacredBoltgun
07-10-2012, 12:32
Please don`t change your Paintstyle and scheme! It is awesome and i fell a bit in love with your fists! Please pleas please contuinue like this.

Mandragola
07-10-2012, 14:53
I won't be radically altering the colour scheme. I like the overall effect and I think it's easily good enough for the standard marines.

A single light source above sounds about right for guys who are outside on the sun, so that's cool.

My objective is to have an army that looks great on the tabletop. That's part of the reason for going for a bright base colour and strong contrasts in shading. In the highly unlikely event that I was trying for golden daemon type stuff, I suppose I'd be doing something very different.

Maybe the Praetor, and potentially also the dread, should be of a different quality to the generic guys. They should look heavy and industrial while he has artificer armour, which should look like rather more time has been spent on it (by tech marines, not just by mme). So it will be shinier, maybe.

Ill post some pics of sky/earth experiments later. And thanks again for the comments. I don't consider myself and expert and all input is valuable. I do have a notion of what I'm aiming for and I'm aware that it's something a bit different. I'm not going to do anything if. I'm not happy with it myself.

Maidel
07-10-2012, 16:10
Ill post some pics of sky/earth experiments later. And thanks again for the comments. I don't consider myself and expert and all input is valuable. I do have a notion of what I'm aiming for and I'm aware that it's something a bit different. I'm not going to do anything if. I'm not happy with it myself.

What I'm looking forward to is the storm eagle with the huge ram...

Mandragola
07-10-2012, 21:28
Yeah I'm looking forward to that too.

Anyway today I have been painting shades onto the guy, with earthshade for shadows and yellow where I wanted a deeper yellow colour. I think it's an interesting result, though bits of it are untidy at the moment and need more work. As a result of seeing these pictures I went straight back and cleaned up some parts, but others, particularly the arms I think, are looking quite good.

Bear in mind I'm trying out painting techniques I've never used before. I'd normally put a wash over a whole area, but for this guy I've been using it almost like a watercolour paint or something. Sometimes this has worked but not always! I feel like I could be painting this guy for the rest of my life...

I love the yellow ink. It really adds a richness to the yellow colour and I'm going to use it on my normal guys I'm sure.

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020676.jpg

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020681.jpg

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020679.jpg

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020678.jpg

Maidel
07-10-2012, 22:31
Again, very interesting. Left knee pad looks wrong and the bottom of the right leg looks 'dirty' rather than shaded.

But again he looks awesome from above...

I think where he looks really good is where you have the crispest lines so the lower left leg and the left arm look really good. It goes a bit wobbly on the top of the left leg from behind, and it breaks the 'illusion'.

Looking forward to seeing it fully finished.

Mandragola
07-10-2012, 22:40
Yeah those are my thoughts, and you have identified all the same areas that work and don't work as I have. I've done some work to fix some of the problems but not there yet. I'm really happy with his left foot, lower leg (from the front anyway) and left arm (which is likely to come off and be replaced with a shield...) These pics show proof of concept though I think.

The top of the left leg is a problem area because it's not properly flat. I actually think I need to go back to that area with some green stuff. On the original model that part of the leg is really skinny and my original repair doesn't seem to have been satisfactory.

But if it was easy it wouldn't be fun, right?

Maidel
07-10-2012, 22:44
I hate it when I spend ages on something, think it looks great, then take a photo on a 12mp macro lense Slr and I see it in all it's glory; and then I feel like such a failure because you can see every single slip of the brush.

I opened photoshop once on a photo just to make myself feel better....

Mandragola
08-10-2012, 15:28
Bit more modelling and painting done.

Heavy Flamer guy is built and ready for undercoat. Today some Crimson Fist shoulder pads arrived, so I cut the symbol off one of them and stuck it to this guy. Easy enough to do, with some liquid GS to fill in gaps. I think that will work well.

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020683.jpg

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020684.jpg

More work with inks on bolter guys and the Praetor. The two marines have a GS circle on their left shoulder pads, and I've modelled on a fist to one of those. I did that for about three guys before I got massively bored of it, and ordered the shoulder pads from GW. I think mine is ok, but the GW ones are better and more consistent.

I don't know whether these guys will be veterans or tactical marines. The heavy flamer guy is certainly a veteran, so that needs to be represented somehow. Probably with an additional ccw somewhere on him and maybe some other gear, purity seals etc. I'm not sure whether they would have had tactical symbols on them by this point, but that's obviously one way I could go. I'd rather not do something like different colour hats though.

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020692.jpg

And everyone together.

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020689.jpg

Mandragola
09-10-2012, 00:36
Ok. Heavy flamer guy is painted.

I'm happy with how this guy has turned out. It's a good standard for an infantry model in the army I think and an army of them on a table should look good. I painted him in an evening, which is doable for an army I think.

Since the last WIP shot I've added a few details. Going through my bits box I came across the grey knight shields, and that seems like a cool option as a thing to denote his veteran status. He's also got a sheathed knife from a scout biker, a bolt pistol and some grenades. I need to paint something into the shield and I'm not sure what that will be, but it won't be all that complicated a design.

Holstered pistols are a problem. I don't like the one you get with GW marines, as it's obviously far smaller than a bolt pistol. Equally, I don't want to have to buy two command accessory sets for every marine squad, just to have their pistols. I think what I might do is go for the Tigrus pattern bolter set for the tactical squad, but then I won't have combat blades for them and I think I do want my tactical squad to have extra ccws.

I'll have a talk with forgeworld and see if there's anything that can be done. Hopefully they won't just advise me to spend lots more money!

Anyway as I was saying, the heavy flamer guy:

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020698.jpg

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020696.jpg

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020702.jpg

No idea what I'll be doing for bases by the way. I'm considering some snow, maybe with a few of the new spiky tufts you can get.

Beppo1234
09-10-2012, 00:38
Yeah I'm looking forward to that too.

Anyway today I have been painting shades onto the guy, with earthshade for shadows and yellow where I wanted a deeper yellow colour. I think it's an interesting result, though bits of it are untidy at the moment and need more work. As a result of seeing these pictures I went straight back and cleaned up some parts, but others, particularly the arms I think, are looking quite good.

Bear in mind I'm trying out painting techniques I've never used before. I'd normally put a wash over a whole area, but for this guy I've been using it almost like a watercolour paint or something. Sometimes this has worked but not always! I feel like I could be painting this guy for the rest of my life...

I love the yellow ink. It really adds a richness to the yellow colour and I'm going to use it on my normal guys I'm sure.

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020676.jpg


http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020681.jpg

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020679.jpg

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020678.jpg

you really need to put this guy on ice skates

Mandragola
09-10-2012, 00:49
Damn you all!

I'd better get to work on his boarding shield then I suppose. The sticking out left arm doesn't really work.

Mandragola
09-10-2012, 14:02
Just had a chat on the phone with a guy from Forgeworld. Apparently the new poses for the marks will be in packs for the different legions. Lots of the stuff should be up for pre-order this week, and be mailed out in early November. I'm going to be at warhammer world for throne of skulls on the 10th/11th of November so that's probably when I'll grab a ton of new resin stuff.

These new packs do look even better than the existing ones and it will save me a lot of time chopping up legs too. I think I'll get the rest of my power armoured guys by mixing up these new guys when they appear. Shoulder pads aren't a problem as I'm already converting those.

Annoyingly, that means I can't really order anything right now without paying postage on it. That's probably no bad thing, as it will force me to finish the stuff I have. I might have a go at the vindicator or something.

Maidel
09-10-2012, 22:21
Woah there. Wind that back. New poses for the forge world marine sets?

If so, I'm SO glad I hadn't ordered anything yet!


Ps - you have inspired me to revisit my imperial fists painting method I did before I decided to cop out and do crimson fists. I might well be joining you in the 30th millennium. If so, where did you mould the fist for the shoulder pads from. Thanks.

Mandragola
09-10-2012, 23:45
I inspired someone? :o

Apparently the new poses will only be on the guys from specific legions though, not mixed in with the normal packs. I had heard from people at games day that they got new-pose legs with their ordinary guys. I'm going to wait and see though.

Worth noting, Cataphractii are up on the FW website now to pre-order. That means they will have enough stuff for me to order to go over the 250 delivery thing at that point (2x bodies, 1x fists and 1x special wep sets, a storm eagle, predator executioner and a rhino). Doesn't seem like all that much stuff for >250!

I don't have a mould for the fist. I've never tried doing that but I suppose I could. The GS fist symbols on some of the unpainted guys were just scuplted on freehand and the flamer guy's one was from the GW crimson fist shoulder pad set you can buy at http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440338a&prodId=prod1600066a for 6. I like how they have little rivets on, as the mark 3 armour is also covered in rivets. Makes them fit in well.

http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m2380841a_99800101094_CFShoulderPads_445x319.jpg

My own sculpted fists seem ok, but I'm lazy so getting these ones seemed like a plan. They are finecast so it's pretty easy to work with them. Only one is done so far but I'm happy with the result. I had to cut into the mark 3 shoulder pad to so I had two flat surfaces to join together, then used some liquid GS to fill the join.

Since I'm doing this, I can probably get the guys from the specific legions, chop off any obvious chapter markings and stick on fists. Then I'll have a lot more variety of poses and maybe a little variety of armour. I think I actually want everyone to be in pretty similar armour, but probably not identical.

unwanted
10-10-2012, 00:22
Looking really good so far. The heavy flamer is well-made, and that hero (Praetor, you say?) is a very cool idea. Might steal for an Emperors' Champion or Sigismund-conversion of my own.

Mandragola
11-10-2012, 02:15
Cheers unwanted. Have fun with the Sigismund conversion if you do it.

"Praetor" the name in the legion list for a high-ranking character by the way. There are basically two characters; the Praetor, and the lower ranking guy who can be upgraded into 9 other specialities, like chaplain, librarian, siege master and so on. I don't know what the Imperial Fists would have actually called their guys as a rank, though loads of people seem to be Captains of various different levels, so a Captain is probably what he is.

Tonight I've been making him a shield and a new head. Shield is made of plasticard in two layers, a skull from some FW icons I bought years ago and green stuff. His arm is now the apothecary arm from the command set, with the drills and stuff removed, as I wanted something bulky where it attaches to the shield. Head is off a noise marine, with a faceplate modelled on a design I like from the betrayal book, which loads of the Emperor's Children have. Not sure if it's a hat design specific to the ECs. If so, they gave it to him for some reason. As you can possibly tell, fluff isn't totally my strong point...

So anyway here's the WIP so far. It's worth mentioning that his arm and head aren't glued on yet, but have pins holding them in place. I'll paint them before attaching as I don't want to spoil what's there already.

I think the shield looks pretty good and, with the hat, helps to make him more 30k. He has vague hits of Roman Legionary about him I think, which is one of the influences that should be present in his appearance.

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020705.jpg

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020706.jpg

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020716.jpg

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020714.jpg

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020712.jpg

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020718.jpg

DeSnifter
11-10-2012, 02:29
I agree that the first time I saw the praetor I made the airplane noises in my head :p I think that changing the arm position to one that is braced in front of him parallel to the ground like he is about to elbow someone out of his way to get to his true target would make it look less "happy" Really like the scheme you have going on.

Mandragola
11-10-2012, 03:01
Raising the left arm up a bit from how it's shown in the photos does make him more dynamic. He ends up looking under his shield as he raises it, either to shield himself from fire or smash someone (probably a pregnant G20 protester) in the face.

SacredBoltgun
11-10-2012, 13:47
I have to say, your Fists are in my opinion the by far the best ive ever seen. Love the work of the dammned artificer and shawn, but yours.... they do it for me. I realy realy love them

Mandragola
11-10-2012, 16:23
Cheers SB. There's a lot of competition with 30k fists for some reason. Not sure why everyone has gone for them, though yellow is an interesting colour to work with. It's good for the realism crowd because it shows the dirt.

I've been giving my Vindicator some thought, as there isn't a forgeworld one on the horison, at least as far as I'm aware. I'm concious of the fact that they might bring one out, so I don't want to try and do a deimos pattern one that might become "superseded" by the FW one. Instead I'd like to make one that looks like a bit of a one-off or one of the early prototypes.

Research yielded this picture, from the inside of a German Sturmtiger. I've also been interested to see that lots of early tank destroyers and SPGs had open tops. Not sure if I want my one to have a removable roof or no roof but let's see where we can go with this.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/01/Sturmtiger_interior.jpg

Memnon
11-10-2012, 21:07
Great work, a nice vibrant yellow with just a hint of battlefield wear and tear, impressive! Personally I liked the pose of the Captain, a beautifully thought out conversion with a real sense of forward motion. The left arm pulling across the chest will add to that sense of movement but I'm not a fan of the new head if I'm honest, but thats purely becuase I prefer bareheaded commanders in my armies, nothing against the sculpt (which is fine), nor am I keen on the size of the shield for such a dynamic model- feels like putting a snow plough on an Aston martin to me...

Keep it up man, I can see by your Forgeworld order that you will be kept very busy in the coming weeks!

Memnon

Mandragola
12-10-2012, 01:03
Thanks for the comments Memnon.

The new look with the shield is pretty odd. But then he's meant to stand out and be noticed so I quite like how he demands a second look. The really big shield fits with the Roman Legionary idea so I'm actually pretty happy with how it looks.

As for the helmet, two things. I wasn't totally happy with the bare head on its own merits for a start. Secondly, a friend pointed out that it's a bit odd to have a guy in artificer armour and carrying a massive shield, but with no helmet on. I actually don't think I'll have many guys at all without helmets in this army, though there will be a couple.

Anyway he's mostly painted now. Still not sure he will ever be finished, but here's how he looks now. I am at a stage where I'm kind of surprised by how nice the paint looks on him. It's starting to look like somebody who really knew what they were doing painted this guy, but actually it was me!

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020729.jpg

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020719.jpg

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020721.jpg

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020724.jpg

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020723.jpg

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020725.jpg

Brother Heinrich
12-10-2012, 05:02
Now that is freaking badass. Makes me think of him leading a charge through a breach in an enemy fortification, well done!

SacredBoltgun
12-10-2012, 16:32
incredible work! Stunning to say at least!

Maidel
12-10-2012, 18:45
Reminds me of that bit in 300 where they are all hiding under their shields from the sky full of arrows...



(Ps in case anyone wonders, that's a GOOD thing!)

Mandragola
13-10-2012, 12:45
Cool. That's just the sort of thing I was aiming for.

New poses for all marks of armour are now on the FW website for pre-order, sent out on the 2nd of November by the way. Really glad I waited, as it's not just new positions but also some more detailing, with slightly pointed toes for for the mark 3s and stuff on some of the chests. Should still fit in fine with my existing guys though.

There are also holstered bolt pistols, grenades etc. Slight issue I have with these is that they are all holstered. I'm not sure there's a phobos pattern bolt pistol out of its holster as it doesn't look like the same thing that you get with the command upgrade. But the good news is that you can now make guys with the actual gear they should have.

Edit: I quite like the mark 2s as well. They seem to have been totally redone. I never really liked the originals, which seem to have sort of ape-like proportions. These ones are much better and I might use them, maybe for my tactical squad.

Noserenda
13-10-2012, 19:17
Oooh curious to see what you end with Vindicator-wise, I like the Praetors shield too but Im not a fan of the helmet, the model loses a lot of character without the grizzled face, its still great though!

Maidel
13-10-2012, 20:13
I'm not a fan of bare faced marines at all. I completely understand why they are made, but even my wolves are fully helmeted (appart from a few old fully metal models where I cannot be ***ed to replace their heads).

It never makes sense to me why any marine would take their helmet off, they have far more protection and better senses with it on (yes yes, accept the wolves).

I'm really tempted to make my entire army from basic marine bodies...

SacredBoltgun
13-10-2012, 21:50
your so lucky that you got the paicence to wait for the new legion MK Patterns. Half of my EC Army will have the old MK Patterns. But the other half will have cool poses. But since the EC Army won`t be the last HH Army i will create(Iron Hands, Salamanders or Ultras afterwards) i will order plenty of those then.

Disciple of Caliban
23-10-2012, 19:08
Somehow i've never noticed this thread before. Its looking great, particularly impressive work on the boarding shield. Looking forward to see what else you come up with. I'm also eagerly awaiting the 2nd of november, almost wish i hadnt seen the new armour variants at games day so i wouldnt of been waiting and couldve made some real headway by now...

Mandragola
24-11-2012, 11:25
So it's been ages, but I have an update. Took my wolves to two tournaments in the last month, getting 3rd place at Octoberfest in London and best space wolf at Throne of Skulls at Warhammer World. 10 wins and 1 loss where the game ended on turn 2 before I could move onto objectives. So my wolves work.

At throne of skulls I picked up a bunch of resin. I got 10 Cataphractii bodies with a set of power fists and a set of special weapons, 5 legion mark 3 bodies and 10 phobos bolters, plus a Storm Eagle. Unfortunately since then I've also taken delivery of my new Bicycle, which made a massive dent in the bank account (due to being a 1954 curly Hetchins that I've had restored and covered in bits with "Campagnolo" written on them) and took a bit of my time. I also bought a pretty good bike lock...

Anyway, excuses aside, I have done a little bit of work. I've put together two Cataphractii and painted one of them. The Storm Eagle's hull is together and paused while I scratch my head wondering how to make the pointy ram for it. Here are some pictures.

Here's the first termie.

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020763.jpg

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020765.jpg

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020764.jpg

And this is the 2nd Cataphractii, who I've built with lightning claws, and who looks approximately as badass as any GW figure I think I've ever seen.

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020762.jpg

Here's the hull of the Storm Eagle. If you can imagine trying to glue together 4 bananas into the shape of a brick, then you can understand how much work was required to get this far. I filled a bowl with boiling water, which helped, and adds the risk of scalding to the normal dangers of cutting myself up or gluing my fingers together.

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020768.jpg

Maidel
24-11-2012, 11:34
Did you have to post this today? Really?

I had JUST made up my mind that I was going to do emperors children. I was even having to go into town to pick up some stuff for my wife and I'd worked out I could swing past gw and get some paints.

Then you put this up and I'm back to thinking about imperial fists again.

You *******!


And back to reality. That cataphracti with lightning claws. Omfg, I'd decided I preferred the other fw terminators and you just completely changed my mind.

So, now not only do I not know what colour to paint them, I don't even know what I'm painting!!!


Btw, look at the lightning claws and the yellow on the tips of the claws and on the base. Change just those bits of yellow to blood red and how awesome would that be!

Mandragola
24-11-2012, 11:45
Sorry :(

To be fair, I think this technique would work just as well with Emperor's Children or anything with a strong colour, like blood angels or Salamanders. EC would probably want less of an industrial feel so I'd go for mark 4 armour for most of the marines I think, but Cataphractii would still be great.

I do prefer Cataphractii to Tartarus but Tartarus ones match mark 4 well. But you could also use a variety of marks and that would be entirely reasonable.

unwanted
24-11-2012, 13:20
Yay, you're back! Cataphracti are looking very nice, though I actually prefer the Tartaros/rus (?).

Knifeparty
24-11-2012, 13:31
I just want to say that I love your painting style, its super awesome. You even make Imperial fists look good lol.

Your project looks great, keep up the good work.

Captain Denarius
24-11-2012, 14:09
Really enjoying the clean yellow, and beautifully painted models.

Maidel
24-11-2012, 17:07
Sorry :(

To be fair, I think this technique would work just as well with Emperor's Children or anything with a strong colour, like blood angels or Salamanders. EC would probably want less of an industrial feel so I'd go for mark 4 armour for most of the marines I think, but Cataphractii would still be great.

I do prefer Cataphractii to Tartarus but Tartarus ones match mark 4 well. But you could also use a variety of marks and that would be entirely reasonable.

Bought the purple paint. I already have they yellows so it hasn't quite made my mind up yet.

Looking forward to seeing the lightning claw guy finished.

Mandragola
27-11-2012, 00:04
Ok this one's for Maidel. If you don't like it, blame him, not me. :D

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020773.jpg

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020774.jpg

So the blood is an experiment - one that I really should have tried on a blank base rather than a cataphractii! Still, it sort of works I think.

The rest of the squad are under construction. 3 more are built. The one in the middle is going to be the sergeant.

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020776.jpg

I think I'll do a standard bearer in the unit. Mostly he won't be anything special, just a guy with a power fist, but it allows me to field them as a command squad if I feel like it and it will be a good centre piece for the army.

I've been thinking about whether to have any power-armoured guys in anything other than mark 3. I do quite like the legion mark 2 guys, but stood next to the mark 3s they definitely don't look as good. I think I want a squad of mark 3s with volkite calivers. They should really look great, though possibly a bit too much like something from fallout.

Maidel
27-11-2012, 19:48
Ok - only blame me IF I get to take all the credit as well?

Because frankly thats awesome!


PS - when I get my cataphracti after christmas (When I have any cash again!) Im definitely nicking that idea and scheme!

Mandragola
28-11-2012, 16:05
Fair enough. It was your idea to have the blood, so glad you're satisfied :)

Mandragola
02-12-2012, 22:43
Another update. All the Cataphractii are now built, with the first couple of layers of paint on them and various bits of rock and sand on their bases. See below:

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020777.jpg
Reaper and another guy.

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020778.jpg
Two guys

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020779.jpg
Sergeant and plasma blaster

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020780.jpg
The one on the left here will be the standard bearer. I've drilled out his fist to take the standard but I haven't made it yet. No problem, as I need to paint them seperately anyway.

In the post are 10 more Mark 3 bodies and 10 Volkite Calivers. That should be a cool looking squad as well. Also got 30 phobos bolt pistols coming, because I want my power-armoured guys to have all the holstered pistols, grenades, spare ammo etc that they should have.

unwanted
03-12-2012, 11:08
Amazing-looking Cataphractii.

Mandragola
03-12-2012, 13:57
Cheers. I haven't done much yet obviously. Just stuck them together and splurged on the base coat.

Pace of work is decreasing as I'm watching the killing at the moment. I usually like to paint with the telly on but reading the subtitles isn't compatible with painting!

Sqallum
03-12-2012, 19:13
I LOVE the Lighning Claw termie!!! I saw the first piccie of his claws unpainted, and was thinking, hey, he should add blood. So I'm SO glad you did. Looks absolutely ace. The colour scheme is bang on and I cannot wait to see the Storm Eagle painted in bright yellow :)

Gearhart
05-12-2012, 18:41
Woah, these are great! i love the metallic look you've done. Keep it up! and excited to see that storm eagle! :)

PrimeMinisterSinister
06-12-2012, 01:24
Love the lightening claw terminator. I think you should hit the blood with a little glossy varnish. It would look really slick.

Mandragola
07-12-2012, 00:51
So today I got these guys in the post. Actually pretty quick for Forgeworld. Got to me in less than a week.

So: Calivers. I thought they would look cool on Mark III guys and I think I was right. The calivers really work well with the heavy industrial feel of the M3s I think.

The annoying thing is that they sell you 10 Calivers in a box. What you actually want is 9, plus arms for a sergeant. Sergeants are going to be an issue for me I think, as currently there's no way to get swords of any kind.

Anyway for now here are the two guys I've built. Also the first made from the new Legion Mark III armour.

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020783.jpg

SacredBoltgun
07-12-2012, 19:32
THe calivers look awesome, and i only use the new legion FW kits wich are awesome. I love your log. Everything you do is extremely good!

Mandragola
12-12-2012, 23:11
My support squad is built. 9 guys with calivers and a sergeant with a chainsword and scanner thingy. I wasn't sure what the scanner should look like so I just used an auspex.

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020786.jpg

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020787.jpg

They are all made from legion mark 3s and have phobos bolt pistols. Chapter badges from the GW crimson fist shoulder pads. I've got a few grenades to stick on them and maybe the odd purity seal or something, and then they will be ready.

The finecast shoulder pads are awful by the way. They are fine for my purposes as I'm just cutting the middle out, but if you actually wanted to use them for imperial/crimson fist guys in mark 7 they have loads of holes around the edge and wouldn't be good at all.

With some of these guys I found that the right arm was angled away from the body, so they ended up holding the gun out in front a bit too far. I turned in their elbow joints a bit to remedy this. Another example of doing conversions that nobody will ever know or care I did :)

PrimeMinisterSinister
13-12-2012, 00:45
Great work on that sarg. He looks so unconcerned. I love those small instances of character in an army. More please.

Mandragola
13-12-2012, 08:41
Yeah the sergeant doesn't get to have a caliver so I thought I'd have him stood at the back coordinating things. It reminds me that I need to do a bit of fillling on his right arm and around some of the chapter badges.

It looks like I might get to roll these guys out for Bristol Vanguard in early April. That's a target to aim for, and a realistic one I think. It's 1750 points.

Mandragola
15-12-2012, 12:28
Ok. First season of the killing dealt with. Catching up on the hour now, which doesn't require reading of subtitles and therefore allows more work. Accordingly, I've been playing with my Storm Eagle, and grilling plasticard, as you do. I heated up the plasticard and then bent it like this, using a curved chair and a magazine as a former.

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020792_zps1d4ac5d0.jpg

That took a couple of tries to get right. Then some time was spent with a pencil and a scalpel to mark out the shape of the prow, the end product of which is this.

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020793_zpsc2846444.jpg

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020794_zpsaded6d0a.jpg

It's held together with some offcuts at the moment to keep its shape. I'm actually quite pleased with the shape, which seems very like that of an imperial spacecraft.

I've also been sticking the unconverted bits of the Storm Eagle together. The engines are a terrible fit and took almost as much time to stick on as I've spent on the nose. Other bits are better. For now I'm not sticking on the wings, guns, legs etc, because I'd only break them off during the nose work. Still, here's what the nose looks like held on the front of the hull.

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020796_zps9c44d33c.jpg

And a side view.

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020797_zpsc47d75f9.jpg

I'm also messing around with what to do for the cockpit and the front guns (which will be multi-meltas). I'm considering various options for the guns, including a chin turret. I've got one from a storm talon spare from another conversion. It looks too big on the ST, but should be a good size on this. Alternatively I've been thinking the melta barrels could poke out of holes in the armoured prow, or have a little turret on top. Various options exist.

I think the pilot should have a canopy a bit more like that on a fighter plane. I might see what I can do with the stormraven turret, which is just one of the many spare bits you get with the eagle.

So, good progress but a long way to go. I'm looking forward to seeing how this turns out.

Steelharbinger
15-12-2012, 17:08
I'd say a chin turret is the way to go, having the meltas pop through the prow would spoil the nice curve you've got there :)

spikyjames
15-12-2012, 17:09
Great work on the army so far, it's all coming along very nicely. I feel your pain on the little conversions nobody will ever notice, almost all of the work I do has a small conversion somewhere on it, nobody ever notices!

Liking the look of the Storm Eagle, I think the melta barrels would look good poking slightly out of the hull, have a look at the GW Ravenwing jetbike (Sammael), his bolters are mounted the same way.

Didin't realise the Vanguard guys were allowing legion lists at their events?

James

Mandragola
15-12-2012, 21:41
There's going to be stuff on the prow. Some kind of door for a start. It won't ruin the curve I hope but that's something to think about. I've actually been giving various options quite a bit of thought.

I've put the meltas at the top of the prow, using the original parts from the storm raven. It's a good place but ill need to work on the detailing to make it really work.

Dunno if vanguard will let me use my legion list. I've emailed it to them and they are looking at it to see if its too evil. It should be ok, but if they don't let me use it I've got a collection of horrific tour or armies with which to take bloody revenge. Made the same suggestion to the guys who run throne of skulls, though doubt they will allow FW stuff any time soon.

Mandragola
16-12-2012, 19:15
More work done on the Storm Eagle. Building FW bits and sticking on of nose. The FW stuff continues to frustrate, though a bowl of boiling water on the desk helps make things fit more easily. I straightened out the back door and found it was about 2mm too long for the hole it's supposed to fit in. Not sure what I'll do about that, but seriously wondering whether this bird needs a back door at all.

I've cut out a notch at the top of the prow for the multi-meltas and am still messing about with the pilot. Probably cut out more of a hole than I needed to from the stormraven's roof, but never mind.

Also, some sketching on the front of possible details. Doors etc. I think a pair of wings around the top like you see on the BFG ships is probably the way to go, but not sure what the thing on the front should be. A winged skull? An angel of some sort? A bird of prey? I don't know.

I've also been thinking about whether its legs should be in or out. No idea at the moment. I'm not really planning on using it as a transport so landing gear shouldn't be too relevant.

Anyway, for now, it looks like this:

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020800_zpsc693390a.jpg

Getting the nose to be perfectly square on the hull was a massive pain in the ****. Came off, was chopped at and then stuck on again multiple times. On the outside it's a very smooth and even job but the inside is a mess of plasticard and various types of glue.

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020801_zps0393eba4.jpg

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020802_zps0902818b.jpg

PrimeMinisterSinister
16-12-2012, 21:29
Don't believe Sesame Street; it is actually what's on the outside that counts.
Looks great. I wish GW had thought of this.

Gearhart
16-12-2012, 21:52
wow this looks fantastic! wow Amazing idea

Mandragola
17-12-2012, 15:33
Cheers guys. Glad you like it.

Should get a bit more done tonight. Guns will be attached, and maybe the pilot.

On the subject of the pilot, what do people think he should look like? The guy who comes with the storm raven/eagle is a techmarine in mark 7, which is no good, but I'm not sure mark 3 really makes a lot of sense either. Might use a mark 3 torso and shoulders with the legs and arms from the techmarine. No idea about what head to use, though the techmarine one might still be ok.

Mandragola
22-12-2012, 11:16
Ok guys, a bit more progress on the storm eagle. I've marked out the doors on the front, stuck the pilot in, and started sculpting the eagle that's going to be on the prow.

The sticking out bit of plasticard is where the eagle's head will be. It will help to have a bit of structure when working the GS.

I'm not totally sure about the pilot as he doesn't look obviously pre-heresy. I think I'll add rims to his shoulder pads to make him fit in better with the army.

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020804_zpse838fad5.jpg

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020805_zps57336bc5.jpg

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020807_zpsfce331c1.jpg

Sqallum
22-12-2012, 12:14
Looks great, Will (dumb question) it have a top?

Mandragola
22-12-2012, 12:49
Yes. I'm working on something made from the turret that comes with the storm raven. It won't rotate of course.

Right now I'm spending my time cutting out annoying little shapes in plasticard to fill in all the gaps. Not much fun. The bit round the jet nozzles in the bottom corners is bad, but the curved pieces at the top will be worse.

Spjuth
23-12-2012, 16:27
Brilliant idea for your storm raven!

One suggestion though would be to make the front opening like a visor rather that the doors you've made now... The doors looks a bit odd imo.

Cheers!

Mandragola
24-12-2012, 22:02
Thanks. I've given the doors a lot of thought. I'm not sure on any of the options to be honest. I did consider a visor type thing but it would need a lot of stuff on the outside to hinge up and I don't want that. I think I can make these doors look ok. Basically any door in a surface that curves on an angle is going to look odd I think. I've thought quite seriously about just not having a door in the front at all, since it doesn't really matter now where the access points are on flyers, but I'll have a go at the doors. I can always take them off again if I don't like them.

Most of the filling is now done. Lots of odd shapes in plasticard all over the place and the hole in the roof is filled. I'm struggling to resolve the bit behind the pilot though. The front is ok as I have the canopy but then it needs to somehow slope back down to the hull. I've experimented with the intake thing that goes on the top of the storm raven but I didn't like it, so back to the drawing board.

Here's a picture of some filled in holes though. Exciting stuff, I'm sure you'll agree.

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020811_zps37428d63.jpg

Mandragola
28-12-2012, 00:30
Ok. Small update, but significant I think. I've finished with the plasticard and am now onto GS work. Lots of gaps have been filled, some of which were mine and some were where the kit hardly fitted together. Now I'm onto the more interesting work of detailing the prow. The eagle is well on the way now, with 1.5 wings done. The body and head might be trickier, but I'm happy with how it looks so far.

Photobucket isn't playing ball at the moment so I've uploaded these direct.

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Sqallum
28-12-2012, 19:50
That looks awesome. Great work :)

Spjuth
29-12-2012, 22:24
Wings look great!

Mandragola
30-12-2012, 01:29
Thanks. I'm actually very pleased with how this is turning out. Here's another slight update. Wings are now finished, doors have hinges and I'm working on the eagle's head. I've fitted on the legs and doors, and filled all the remaining gaps and air bubbles. Not far to go now.

Front view

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020816_zps2f6aa668.jpg

The whole thing

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020817_zps826d2770.jpg

Detail of the back of the cockpit, which took me forever to resolve - and now doesn't look like anything all that special. I'm happy with how it's turned out though.

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020818_zpsfeae15a7.jpg

The pilot and the half done eagle

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020819_zps936f90f1.jpg

I'm going to have the eagle's claws gripping the lintel at the top of the doors. Doubt the tail will make an appearance as that would look a bit odd. I think I might put a VII on the doors, maybe the V on one door and the II on the other.

Getting there. Soon I'm going to have to figure out how to paint the thing.

AlexCrute
30-12-2012, 04:19
Might be the raddest thing that ever pretended to fly. Mad props, you mad bender of plasticard you.

spikyjames
30-12-2012, 09:23
Looking good mate, it's all coming together rather nicely.

James

Mandragola
30-12-2012, 16:22
Might be the raddest thing that ever pretended to fly. Mad props, you mad bender of plasticard you.

Thanks a lot, I think :)

Coming to the end of a major project like this is weird. I'm looking forward to seeing it painted, but also sort of dreading it. Need to get on with it.

the damned artificer
30-12-2012, 19:19
Been doubting if the conversion worked, but that last update (luckily) proved me wrong :D it looks great and I think you should consider adding the VII's to the sides of the prow instead as they are a bit too bland. Rivets and maybe some sort of vent grills will also work well to add a bit more detail to the blank areas. Kickass job man! :D

unwanted
30-12-2012, 21:40
I agree, the prow works very well now that it's nearing completion.

Darkritual
31-12-2012, 07:45
very cool conversion!!! Cant wait to see it painted up!

Kaleb Daark
31-12-2012, 08:13
That nose change is a perfect idea!
Very well executed mate! Looks much better like that!

Id so want something like that for my custodians!

Can't wait to see it finished!

JuJu
Kaleb Daark

Vashtek
01-01-2013, 19:56
Looks really good. Interesting to see how the colour scheme will translate from single models to a vehicle.

Mandragola
01-01-2013, 23:42
Yeah, not really sure how I'll do the colour scheme on this. It works on the curved surfaces of the marines' armour, but this thing is all flat. Dunno yet.

Anyway I've done a bit more work. I actually think it's finished now. However, I'd be interested to hear some opinions on the latest stuff because I'm not 100% sure about it. I don't know if I like the legs on the eagle. I think the lightning is quite fun and fits in with the kind of detailing used in the legion stuff, so that's cool. The vents are for the side jets, as the prow has obstructed the original intakes. Here's how it looks now. Let me know what you think of the eagle in particular.

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020820_zps3957b54e.jpg

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020823_zps1691d698.jpg

Did a bit of work on the pilot, to make him look pre-heresy. Rims on shoulder pads and a new helmet, and also a screen in the dashboard. Glad I did this as before he didn't really work for me.

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020824_zps5f8b219a.jpg

the damned artificer
01-01-2013, 23:53
Looks great, the lightning bolts are awesome! But those roman numerals could be tidier, it doesn't look as good as the rest of the GS work :)

Mandragola
02-01-2013, 00:03
Yeah regular shapes are a pain. I usually go back to stuff like that with a file and a knife once it's dry.

spikyjames
02-01-2013, 08:38
Yeah, the numerals could be straighter, I personaly think the eagle could do with the tail feathers being done, just filling the gap to the top of the door which looks a bit enpty at the minute.

Great work on the pilot, it does fit much better.

James

Vashtek
02-01-2013, 09:25
I think the issue with the numerals is that the 'II' does not follow the line of the prow. The 'V' does follow the line but the 'II' is straight and consequently looks odd.

Mandragola
02-01-2013, 12:34
I've tidied up the numerals. They are angled so that they look straight from the front, and I think they are right from that angle.

Still not sure about the eagle. I think the head looks good but the legs not so much. Also the style isn't consistent, with very stylised wings and a realistic head. Think I probably need to have another go at it.

Mandragola
06-01-2013, 01:59
Ok, there is now paint on my storm eagle. Quite a lot of paint, but with quite a long way to go still.

I've been experimenting with lots of different washes. After a coat of Iyanden yellow I washed basically the whole thing in yellow ink, which gave me quite a good colour to work from. I've got some Dorn Yellow from an overpriced box of "eavy metal" edge colour paints, and have been using it as the highlight colour. Have to say it's pretty good paint. Orange and earthshade washes have then been applied in various layers to build up the colour.

There are only a few places where it's really getting there. The prow is interesting at the moment and might get cool. The left wing and some of the fuselage look pretty cool but I basically have to paint this thing one panel at a time, which won't be fast.

Not sure about the eagle, which is meant to be gold but somehow looks like it's made of chocolate. I might go back and paint it gunmetal instead. I'll see how I feel on that one.

I'm trying out a bit of OSL on the pilot. Seems ok, but if somebody can let me know the how I'm doing it wrong (it's a fair assumption to make) then I'd be grateful.

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020830_zps70e608b9.jpg

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020839_zps43e8f9f7.jpg

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020837_zps78197e4f.jpg

Vashtek
06-01-2013, 08:06
Looks good so far, but I agree the gold is a bit dark (from the ictures at least. I think I would try to make the lines less wavy for the shading. It might just be best plain yellow, but difficult to tell from pictures. I still have a slight issue with roman numerals. I think the V works but the II are too 'flat' IMO. I think this image shows what I mean:-

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Calarax
08-01-2013, 05:03
awesome work! i love the storm eagle conversion. I also like the blood on snow effect youve done with the lightning clawed cataphractii.

Jim
14-01-2013, 11:32
The Storm Eagle conversion looks brill!

I would probably go for flat colour rather than try and force the highlighting with the wavy darker sections on the prow - I know what you are trying to achieve but personally I prefer it flat.

Also the Prow Eagle needs lighter gold on it as it is too dark right now.

BUT - overall it looks awesome!

Jim

PrimeMinisterSinister
14-01-2013, 16:42
I run into the too dark gold problem too. I mix a silver into the gold just to brighten it up and use it as a highlight. It might work here.

Bob Hunk
23-01-2013, 14:00
Very nice Storm Eagle! :cool: The Cataphractii look bad-ass too!

Fangschrecken
28-01-2013, 20:42
This log is absolutely astounding.

Makes me want to start a legion

unwanted
28-01-2013, 21:14
ertainly approve of where the painting is going!

Mandragola
29-01-2013, 15:56
Glad you guys like it. I've had to prepare stuff for a couple of tournaments this month so haven't made much progress on the fists. Did some more work on the eagle past night and I've picked up a predator executioner too. Pictures will follow.

Mandragola
31-01-2013, 23:36
Ok guys. I have had my paints out and my Storm Eagle is moving along quite nicely. It might even be possible to see the difference between now and the shots before!

Actually I think the blending stuff here is quite interesting. Hope you guys like.

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020862_zps1a667505.jpg

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020874_zpsff5ff7f1.jpg

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020863_zpsa44d97f5.jpg

Since I've been putting stuff together for my marines (who are never quite sure if they are space wolves, dark angels or vanilla marines) I thought I might as well post some pics of two flyers I'm doing for them. First a dark talon, which did great work for me at throne of skulls the other weekend (where I was best dark angel, from a massive field of six!) and a storm talon that I'm making for reasons I'm not quite clear about to be honest - though I did get shot at quite a lot by other people's storm eagles at ToS so I want one of my own! Anyway I've had it a while and a couple of spare bits that I didn't need for the storm eagle and nephilim (since I made it as a dark talon) let me do the conversion to have the cyclone chin mounted and the assault cannons on the sides. I think it looks better than the massive turret, though thinking about it, missing the turret is modelling for disadvantage =P

Anyway these two are nothing like the standard I'm aiming for with the storm eagle. They are gaming pieces only. Still, I quite like the models and I think my half and half scheme works pretty nicely for planes. Painting on the ST is WIP as well, obviously.

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020868_zpsb0a4a5a5.jpg

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020866_zps55224868.jpg

the damned artificer
01-02-2013, 02:51
I quite like the yellow, it's a very stylized way to do it. I think its a great way to add some character :D

And that storm talon conversion is so simple, but makes so much more sense than the original design XD

Irbian
01-02-2013, 16:53
not convinced by that gold, but sold with the yellow. nice work!

Mandragola
01-02-2013, 20:46
Yeah I'm really not happy with the eagle. Glad you guys like the yellow though, and the storm talon.

As per my usual failure to concentrate on any one thing, tonight I've been filling gaps and basing on my caliver squad. Feels like a long time since I've painted any marines.

avragehuman
02-02-2013, 15:35
That storm eagle is spectacular, may I suggest on the OSL you start with a darker base color and build up the glow?

Mandragola
05-02-2013, 00:24
That storm eagle is spectacular, may I suggest on the OSL you start with a darker base color and build up the glow?

Thanks. I'm not sure about the OSL being too light actually. The thing is, he's yellow to start with. I thought about darkening his overall colouring to make the OSL stand out more but I think it works ok as is. See this pic and see what you think.

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020896_zpsa96dd705.jpg

I've also done a bit of work to the prow, moving one of the Is to hopefully make Vashtek happy and painting the eagle white. I've sort of blocked in the white for now so the shading needs some refinement but I think it works a lot better overall than the gold did, as the gold sort of disappeared against the yellow. I haven't yet painted in the gap where the number used to be, so that's why there's a bit white bit at the moment.

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020877_zpse6c60927.jpg

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020886_zps51f23dbd.jpg

Oh and I hadn't painted a marine for ages so I've done one of my Caliver guys and made a start on some more.

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020884_zps295ebc81.jpg

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020885_zps40e8d227.jpg

Edit: Put two links to the same picture and missed one. Fixed now.

avragehuman
05-02-2013, 10:02
I had to stand a few feet away from my computer to see that at about table top scale, but it looks good man! God-Emperor I hate you and your amazingly painted resin. Keep it coming! :D

Mandragola
06-02-2013, 00:16
Ok, minor update. I've mostly put together the predator executioner that I got last time I was up at warhammer world. Standard stuff of having to boil lots of it to get it to fit together, but it actually fitted well after being straighened. Only issue is at the front where the resin sides aren't quite the right length for the plastic top. I think I'll do something with the headlights to cover this.

A problem is that it's designed to be built with sponsons but in game I don't think it wants them. I'd rather have it roaming around shooting things with its turret gun. It's difficult not to have sponsons though, as there's no blank piece to put instead of them and there's a sort of shield bit moulded onto the hull. I might stick heavy bolters on as they don't cost too many points. They would probably improve the look of the thing too.

I really like the exhausts. Actually it's a great kit all round. Turret hatch isn't stuck on (it's a really snug fit though) as I might want to add a crewman. Not sure it needs it though.

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020907_zps22ddd898.jpg

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020909_zps7e5ab7d1.jpg

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020908_zps17a4b06f.jpg

baphomael
06-02-2013, 12:48
The modified prow on that storm eagle is fantastic... like a mini BFG ship. Works rather well

Gearhart
06-02-2013, 22:54
I always seem to find myself coming back to this log every now and again and may i just say stunning job! You have certainly have your own style and i love it! your stuff is so unique. I bet your army looks so much better in person. I envy you, please keep up the great job!
Also if you could i think we would all love to see an army shot of both completed and not completed models!

Sincerely, Gearhart.

andyg2006
09-02-2013, 06:36
Your painting is stunning, as are your attention to detail and vision. The battleship-type prow is fantastic and the colours really shine. Your skills are definitely getting me motivated...not only to just try to build things in general, but also to "go that extra mile" to make them as good as I can.

Mandragola
09-02-2013, 21:20
Thanks guys. Very encouraging comments :)

As requested, here's a family photo showing what I've done so far, which annoyingly also shows how much more I've got to do! So you have termies, contemptor and pred on the right, veterans and calivers on left.

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020911_zps1ed2be41.jpg

Putting the models all together shows how the way I've been painting these guys has changed over time. At first I was using a black basecoat, then averland sunset and an earthshade wash to start with. Now I'm using a white undercoat and then a basecoat of yriel yellow, before attacking it with dorn yellow highlights, washes and a yellow glaze. I was actually pretty happy with the initial scheme but I think the new one is a lot better. What do you think though?

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020912_zpsf9304e01.jpg

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020913_zpsd3190af9.jpg

Gearhart
09-02-2013, 22:22
LOVE IT, Great shot mate! really looking forward to seeing all those Cataphractii!

Dorns_fist
09-02-2013, 23:38
Brilliant work here fella

Brother Garrod
09-02-2013, 23:42
Id have to say the new scheme looks much better to be honest , very in your face , which is exactly how Fists should be

Darkritual
11-02-2013, 12:17
I think they are both really nice but the one on the right is a bit brighter witch i prefer more :)
Great looking army so far mate keep up the good work!

Mandragola
11-02-2013, 13:54
Thanks for the feedback. Glad people agree that the lighter one looks better. I've got another small update, which is my latest Cataphract done, with reaper autocannon and chainfist.

I actually gave most of my termies a base coat of averland sunset and earthshade wash, so I had to lighten this guy up a lot. I think it's worked and I've got him to look as bright as the other guys, which is good as it means I should be able to bring everything to a consistent level.

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020920_zps74a1a4d0.jpg

And with his two finished friends

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020921_zps38a65db2.jpg

Gearhart
11-02-2013, 23:04
FANTASTIC! i really like how he looks! Looking forward to more!

Vashtek
13-02-2013, 16:15
Cool stuff. Actually really liking the yellow effect on the Storm Eagle.

For some reason I prefer the look of your marines to the Cataphratii, though don't really know why. Possibly there is more metalwork on the 'fracts?

Mandragola
14-02-2013, 00:47
Thanks. I think I've overdone the orange on the reaper guy. It should probably only appear in the edges, rather than in patches. I'll get the three of them the same before moving on.

I don't think I've got a preference between the MKIIIs and the Cataphractii. The marines have better heads I think, but the Catas have a lot more individual detail on their weapons, particularly the power fist and lightning claws. I'm very happy with how the chainfist looks as well.

An issue with the Storm Eagle is that it has barely any metal on it, compared to the marines. Not sure what to do about this, but it's something I'll give some thought. I like the yellow on it too but I'm starting to think it needs a bit more going on as well.

Vashtek
14-02-2013, 12:23
Yeah I think you may have hit the nail on the head with the orange. He does look significantly more Simon Cowell than his two buddies.

D-FLINCH
24-03-2013, 02:20
Love what you have going here and cant wait to see more! You're army is spectacular and something I will be looking at for help when I start my preherasy death guard army!

MrMountti
03-04-2013, 01:53
That storm eagle is amazing! keep the fists coming!

Mandragola
02-06-2013, 23:11
Some news. I've had to take a bit of a break from these guys recently to get a Tau tournament army ready. Now I'm booked into the Heresy weekender in August, and I'll need 3000 points for it. Better get to work!

To that end, I've picked up a brush and some terminators and am making progress again. These guys have taken about an hour and a half so far, which doesn't seem to bad at all.

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020971_zpsa6468710.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1020971_zpsa6468710.jpg.html)

The event uses 1500, 2000, 2500 and 3000 point lists. The stuff I've got actually works out at 1900 at the moment. Plan is to add a Typhon, a couple of rhinos and, I think, a small mechanicus cohort. I've got a very heavily converted land raider that could serve as a mechanicus LR. It's got flamestorm cannons and a big comm array on it, so if I make a front turret with something that looks like a plasma fusil, then add a bit of red paint, I'll be sorted. That has the advantage of adding ~300 points for 0.

Scribe of Khorne
03-06-2013, 00:57
Whats your method for that 'glowing' look you have going on there? Mostly just washes?

Mandragola
03-06-2013, 18:49
I think I've gone over it already, but if not, it goes something like:

1. Spray white
2. Paint the yellow layer colour. Iyanden?
2.5. You could (and I might) try a drybrush of dorn yellow at this point for the edges, which otherwise take quite a bit of time. Probably not the best way.
3. Paint on the "earth" areas and crevices with agrax earthshade wash.
4. Paint on the horizon lines with dorn yellow, and do edges at this point also.
5. Yellow ink in the "sky" areas, blending into the dorn yellow horizon lines but leaving some non-inked.
6. Yellow glaze over the whole thing.

So yeah the only "paints" I use are the yellow base and dorn yellow highlights. Then two inks and a glaze.

Then do metal bits, black bits, some bronze and pick up the next man. That's my life for the next couple of months, basically.

Sqallum
03-06-2013, 19:48
It looks great. Add Heavy Bolters - you never know when you have to shoot some Reconnaissance Marines.

Mandragola
03-06-2013, 21:34
Heavy bolters? Nowai! Guys with 4+ saves can be dealt with using bolters and harsh language.

I do have to look at army lists though. My cunning plan of including a mechanicus element is scuppered by the rules (damn those pesky rules!) which say my pride of the legion guys aren't allowed allies. This is bad news as I could have added a whole bunch of points for relatively few pounds. Now I'm looking quite seriously at a spartan for the 3k list, which is not good at all...

intercepta
03-06-2013, 23:19
Why on earth can't you take SMs with SM or BA allies??? How about adding an Imperial Guard element, some vendetas always go down well! :)

Mandragola
03-06-2013, 23:43
Why on earth can't you take SMs with SM or BA allies??? How about adding an Imperial Guard element, some vendetas always go down well! :)

Well in 40k, sure no problem. In 30k I have a rite of battle that makes my veterans and terminators troops (yay) but prevents me from taking any allies (boo). Also the Imperial Guard doesn't exist yet, either in fluff terms or as an army list for the Imperial Army. Potential solution to this is to take a dreadnought talon for the final 500 points. For some reason I seem to have a bunch of unpainted dreadnoughts.

Anyway check this out. I have a finished squad! Major milestone! Here they are:

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020977_zpsfd1830c7.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1020977_zpsfd1830c7.jpg.html)

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020976_zps777ec59a.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1020976_zps777ec59a.jpg.html)

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020975_zpse8989152.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1020975_zpse8989152.jpg.html)

Yep, 5 Cataphractii, waddling majestically across the galaxy, spreading the Emperor's enlightened rule!

intercepta
03-06-2013, 23:51
Oh crap, pesky 30k, must be annoying you can't take the imperial Navy/Army, I vote go for the Dreads then

Gratz on the completed squad though! :D

Darkritual
04-06-2013, 12:46
Great work mate! :)

Scribe of Khorne
04-06-2013, 18:18
Great unit, that LC guy really projects some attitude.

Laborious
04-06-2013, 19:27
Stellar work! I love the vibrancy of your yellow, such a wonderful contrast to the grim feel of shaw's and TDA's, for example, IF's. Show's that there are as many different ways to paint well as there are painters. :)

Mandragola
04-06-2013, 20:12
Glad you like. Cheers.

Annoyingly, I've come home with a wraithknight and 9 jetbikes that I have to get built for a practice game on Thursday. Friends for my Tau. A geek's work is never done :(

Mandragola
18-06-2013, 20:16
Ok, I've got an event to bring these guys to, and a deadline: mid august. I'm taking these guys to the Betrayal event at Warhammer world and need 3000 points by then. Crap.

Only one of the games is actually at 3k. The others are at 1500, 2000 and 2500. So I need 500 points of stuff I'll only use once. That could still cost a lot in FW prices.

To that end, I'm making a dreadnought talon from old dreads I've got lying around, to fill up 500 points. Here's the first of them that I painted up today. He's not a forgeworld model but I don't think that matters with dreadnoughts, as all the versions seem to have been in use together. Dreads are also probably quite useful in 30k, as nobody much is fearless so they can run down marines. This guy has plasma cannon and hvy flamer. I think the others will include one for long-range shooting and another with two CCWs for fighting up close.

I think he looks ok but I'm not spending ages on these guys as they won't see all that much use. Base still to be done at this point, but I'll wait till I've got a few guys to do together.

Placed my final FW order for now today. A rather big tank with a rather big gun is on its way, along with a couple of rhinos. Tanks tanks tanks!

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020980_zpsb3058003.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1020980_zpsb3058003.jpg.html)

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020982_zpsa0142c64.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1020982_zpsa0142c64.jpg.html)

Hmm I don't really like these pics much. Sunlight is shining off him and obscuring the painting - some of which I did do! Looks fine in the flesh.

Sqallum
19-06-2013, 18:59
I love Dreadnought Talons with a Contemptor - it looks so nice. I'm guessing a Typhon? Great work as always.

Spjuth
22-06-2013, 22:16
Whoa, that Storm Eagle sure turned out magnificent!

Rusty Magos
24-06-2013, 10:29
Dread looks great, and those termies are looking amazing! Can't wait to see what you do with the (presumably) typhon!

Mandragola
24-06-2013, 12:31
Cheers.

Doing nothing with the Typhon at the moment, as it's sitting in Nottingham still. Order status is "acknowledged", and has been for the last week. I rang up and everything is in stock so...

Funky01chef
25-06-2013, 09:15
I love what you've done here, your fists look lovely :)

I just read start to finish, and when I got to about page 5 I was wondering if you'd be going to the Heresy weekend, glad you are as I can't waith to see your army in the flesh, and you've just reminded me I need to pull my finger out and finish my own army by then :o

Possibly to late now, but I'd add that while Pride of the legion stops you from taking an allied detachment, you could get a squadron of fliers in from the Imperial Navy as they are selected against your Lord of War slot rather than the allied detachment, but if you've got a Typhon coming that will fill it better ;)

Mandragola
26-06-2013, 16:35
Ok, bit of an update. Typhon, its two rhino friends and an imperial fists transfer sheet are now in the post, after a week to be put in a box with an address sticker at FW.

In preparation, I've been doing a bit of work on my predator to practice doing a tank. Sponsons are being painted seperately because they are fiddly. Should have done the same with the tracks!

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020986_zpsbfbb0ada.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1020986_zpsbfbb0ada.jpg.html)

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/cdbda1c4-6663-4a2f-b09a-652c251c9431_zps90abef74.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/cdbda1c4-6663-4a2f-b09a-652c251c9431_zps90abef74.jpg.html)

So the yellow bits are mostly done and just the boring metal stuff to do.

Mandragola
27-06-2013, 09:52
Well the typhon arrived, or most of it did. It came with two left track units and no right side. That won't work! Two weeks to cast a replacement and send it to me, apparently. Damn!

Mandragola
03-07-2013, 23:48
Ok then. The right side of the Typhon came in the post so I've now been able to build the thing. Here it is:

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020987_zpsfee8c323.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1020987_zpsfee8c323.jpg.html)

For now I've left off the sponsons and exhaust stacks as I'll paint those seperately. I'm going with lascannon sponsons, as I think you may as well do that on superheavies. The gun shield isn't glued on yet either so that I can paint behind it.

I faced the same issues with the tracks as everyone else. I seem to have been able to do a reasonable job of fitting them, but it took about as long as the rest of the kit to get right. I built them from the front, where they seemed to fit fine and then tidied up at the back by removing a link and bending the remaining bits to fit. I had to cut out Vs from the interior angles to let the sections bend, then heat up with hot water and squish it into place. Needs some GS to tidy up at this point. Right now it's enjoying a bath with lots of washing up liquid.

Other issues in construction were that the side doors were too big for their holes, which I had to enlarge, and the gun has a really bad casting line in the back right corner, though the barrel is fine. The rear right quarter is entirely hidden inside the tank though so you can't tell there's a problem.

Altogether then it was quite a job! worth it though I think.

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020988_zpse6fc720d.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1020988_zpse6fc720d.jpg.html)

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020989_zps164ec2f8.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1020989_zps164ec2f8.jpg.html)

I went and bought some more yellow paint at GW as I was running low. Should be able to get some on this thing tomorrow.

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020993_zps35fd449f.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1020993_zps35fd449f.jpg.html)
"Looks like we took a wrong turn back there somewhere."

PrimeMinisterSinister
04-07-2013, 02:20
HA!
The tank in the wash, that's pretty funny. I snorted out lout.
Are you going to weather the thing heavily with mud and junk? Or make it parade ground pristine?

Mandragola
04-07-2013, 12:00
I'll carry on with the shiny parade ground thing for now, more out of contrariness, since everyone else is doing muddy, rusty marines.

Mandragola
26-08-2013, 14:57
Bit of a while since I've posted an update, but I've still been working away getting a 3000 point army ready.

This weekend I was up at warhammer world my ready-ish army, where we encountered some very naughty marines who thought it would be fun to betray the Emperor. 4 games over the weekend, at 2000, 2500, 1500 and 6000 points (doubles with 3k each).

We kicked things off with a 2000 point Firetide mission, in which I came up against the evil Salamanders. He had a Typhon and a spartan with 5 Cataphractii in, plus a couple of tactical squads, a Praetor and the Magos special character. In reserve were 6 Thalaxii.

Deployment was Ambush, which turned out to be pretty unfair on my opponent. He was basically in the middle with me coming in from both sides and going 1st. That's not really reasonable in a normal game with equal points limits and objectives, and the game was over pretty quickly, as the last Thalax died on turn 4. The dice were even kind to me, so when I took a direct hit from his Typhon on my Cats I had to do 7 invulnerables and only lost 1 guy. It actually cost me that it was over so fast because my Cats didn't have time to get to an objective so only my vets were holding anything. 5:0 to me, but there were people who lost their games and scored more points than I did. Shame really as there wasn't a lot my opponent could really do.

Anyway it started like this:
http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/Game11_zpsb4d689b7.jpg

And finished like this (the black marine was representing the fire that Horus kept shooting at me, to no particular effect):
http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/Game13_zpsd24e31f3.jpg

Game 2 was 2500 point shatter strike against Emperor's Children, where the objective was to get infantry (non IC) units into the enemy deployment zone. 2 VPs per unit. Hammer and Anvil set up with me going 2nd. We actually had pretty similar armies, with big units of termies (though his were Tartaros pattern) lead by Praetors. He had 2 units of Vets and I had 1 and some tactical support guys with calivers. He had a recon squad, a couple of heavy support squads with lascannons and missile launchers and a pair of rapiers, while I had a vigilator to make my termies scout, plus my Typhon and Storm Eagle. He had 3 Contemptors, one of which was Rylanor, while I had 1 and a dread with plasma cannon.

He went first and advanced in the middle but was pounded a bit by my shooting. His recon team infiltrated into my deployment zone but the scenario allowed a unit to be redeployed, so I sent my plasma dread after them and he ran them down - before catching a few lascannon hits and blowing up. Almost everyone who tried to cross the middle died, with my Praetor eating a lascannon shot (1 on LOS), which meant he had the only paragon blade when our termies met. Only his Praetor and a termie sergeant with power sword survived that fight, but I managed to get my contemptor into the fight before my last Cataphract went down. He tried to voluntarily fall back but I ran him down! This allowed me to run my caliver squad past the ongoing slaughterfest and sneak down the side into the enemy deployment zone, while all the big guys were locked in the middle.

The firepower coming out of his rapiers and two heavy support squads was formidable. My Typhon eventually fell apart after sustained lascannon fire, but not before killing a bunch of termies and some vets who tried to walk up the middle.

Both of us outflanked a unit of vets. His arrived in my deployment zone, stunned my predator (oh yeah, I had a predator - didn't accomplish much!) and then got mown down by my Calivers, Contemptor and newly-arrived storm eagle. My deployment zone was pretty secure from that point. My vets, accompanied by my Chaplain, managed to get into the ruin where his rapiers were based and booted them out - though didn't actually kill the rapiers as they escaped my sweeping advance. Finding themselves in the enemy deployment zone in a ruin with no windows they decided to crack open a few beers and wait out the rest of the game.

Getting the Calivers (well, two of them, gone to ground in a crater!) and vets into the enemy deployment zone meant I won the game. We'd killed each others' warlords and I had first blood (my contemptor wasted Rylanor with its first shot and was actually a bit of a star of this game) and he had a bonus point for killing more of my units than I had of his. Finished 6:2. Definitely the hardest and best game of the weekend for me.

Here are his veterans making their brief appearance in my deployment zone
http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/Game21_zpsbf7565ee.jpg

And here are my poor Cataphractii and vigilator (who is apparently too stealthy to photograph) being cut up by his Praetor, before my Contemptor arrives puts an end to his villainy.
http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/Game22_zps6b0ba284.jpg

Then there was a pub quiz, then I tried to sleep while a brass band and fireworks were deployed across the road from my hotel (I'm pretty sure this actually happened, though I was up late painting on Friday night and didn't really sleep so I could have been hallucinating by this point), in what appeared to be an attempt at psychological warfare by the traitors. Didn't work.

So game 3, and more Emperor's Children appear. Mission is a special one for this event in which we're supposed to hold a bunker in the middle of the board to phone home and tell them about all the mean things the traitors are doing. 1500 points, and for this game I'd actually gone to a bit of effort to bring an army tailored to the mission. I had two normal dreads, my contemptor, Cataphractii led by my Praetor and Chaplain, and my vets. My opponent had a couple of units of vets, a praetor, two rapiers, a Caliver squad, a heavy support squad with missile launchers and two dakka predators.

This photo illustrates the subtle tactics we both employed:
http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/Game31_zps6c155111.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/Game31_zps6c155111.jpg.html)

This game was basically won for me by my rhino, occasionally assisted by my Cataphractii. My opponent went first and made it to the bunker first, so he got the first VPs from controlling it. I was trying to advance my veterans and cataphractii through a narrow gap between terrain so they ended up annoyingly getting in each others' way. Meanwhile my dreads were getting some pitiful difficult terrain rolls, taking 3 turns to get through a single ruin. Things started to go right on turn 3 though, with my rhino laughing off 5 krak missiles (most of which missed to be honest), then breaking the caliver squad with a tank shock. It was supported by my Cataphactii, who made it into combat at full strength. They made a terrible mess of the EC vets they came across, though the sergeant died in a challenge with the Praetor. I learned that Lightning claws are the wrong thing for terminator sergeants to have, as they always seem to be in challenges against people with 2+ saves. Anyway he got beaten up the following turn and my remaining termies carried on forwards, over the ruined corpses of about 30 Emperors Children. The dreads eventually caught up while they were beating up the Caliver squad, killed both predators, and we were able to consolidate to get linebreaker. The vets and my HQs had spent 4 turns holding the bastion while this happened, earning me a bunch of points without ever really seeing the baddies. I had first blood, slay the warlord and linebreaker, so it finished 11:2 to me. Not bad at all!

And finally, the 6000 point exterminatus mission came along. I was a bit worried we'd be facing warhounds with turbo laser destroyers, which I think result in pretty poor games to be honest. That didn't happen though, instead I came across even more Emperor's Children and some Night Lords, while I was assisted by some nice friendly death guard. They had loads of marines of various different types. Lots of the night lords had jump packs (2x10 assault marines and a command squad with lightning claws, led by a Praetor and captain) while the ECs had lots of tacticals and Fulgrim. Both had heavy support squads and there were some outflanking night lords vets and a storm eagle. My Death Guard partner had a Felblade, Praetor and Librarian leading 10 deathshrouds, 5 more Tartarus termies, plus quite a lot of infantry I had:

Praetor: Paragon blade, boarding shield, digi lasers 150
Chaplain: No extra stuff 85
Vigilator: Power Weapon, refractor field 120
10 Termies: All kinds of stuff 483
10 Vets: melta, hvy flamer, rhino 265
Contemptor: Kheres x2, Havoc rack 220
Predator: executioner, hvy bolters 135
Typhon: lascannons, ceramite 410
Storm Eagle: lascannons, multi-melta, searchlight 266
10 Tac support: Calivers 220
Dread: plasma and flamer 145
Dread: Lascannon 150
Dread: Melta, hvy flamer, siege wrecker 160
Firestorm Redoubt: 200

Here are the ECs:
http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/Game42_zps1cf888b7.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/Game42_zps1cf888b7.jpg.html)

And the Night lords (which were particularly pretty):
http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/Game43_zps75fde1e0.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/Game43_zps75fde1e0.jpg.html)

We had spearhead deployment, like this:
http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/Game41_zpsdbceb3b3.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/Game41_zpsdbceb3b3.jpg.html)

So we'd got loads of termies in the centre with my 4 dreadnoughts in support. They were opposite us, with their infantry occupying a bunch of ruins and their dreads and vehicles in support. Their army didn't have as much armour as ours, and had no termies, but they had an awful lot more infatry than we did - at least at the start!

For me, this game was mostly about the advance of my terminators. The Vigilator got them to scout forward, but then ran back and joined my tactical support squad. So my Cats, Praetor and Chaplain slogged forward, while the deathshroud and dreads followed along behind.

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/Game44_zpsfde5803e.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/Game44_zpsfde5803e.jpg.html)

They shot a bit at a night lords autocannon squad, resulting in the following 4 armour saves:
http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/Game45_zps50f3bc19.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/Game45_zps50f3bc19.jpg.html)

Fulgrim came out, got shot at and lost a few wounds, while my termies also lost a few guys to shooting, and then he charged me. He shouted a challenge to anyone who would fight him in single combat, but nobody felt that the traitor reserved to die with honour. Fulgrim went down under weight of cataphractii armour; a chainfist could be heard and 5 VPs were added to our total.

Mandragola
26-08-2013, 15:18
On our right flank we were attacked by all these jump pack guys. Some death guard assault marines tried to hold them up but were cut down by their Praetor. Out of all the models in this (fairly awful) photo, two Death Guard terminators and the Night Lord Praetor were the only survivors.

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/Game46_zps8edbce23.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/Game46_zps8edbce23.jpg.html)

Meanwhile my Typhon, caliver squad, Contemptor and predator, and the death guard felblade, were partying like it was 1917. Broken blue and purple armour littered the battlefield as ordnance and dakka rained on the traitors. This killed an awful lot of stuff but the ECs were able to save a few VPs because the last survivors of squads kept running away and finding holes to skulk in. Lots of fun though!

The biggest anticlimax of the game was the dogfight between our two storm eagles, which resulted in the melta being shot off the NL one and mine evading a couple of glancing hits from lascannons. It made for a cool photo though :)

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/Game410_zps39684119.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/Game410_zps39684119.jpg.html)

My termies consolidated after killing Fulgrim and ran towards some Palatine Blades, who also wet themselves and ran away when I shot a couple of them, leaving the Cats stranded in front of the enemy! The enemy poured fire into the Cataphractii, after which only one survived, along with the Praetor and Chaplain, both on just one wound. Some unusually brave Emperor's Children on bikes charged in, and died on my Praetor's paragon blade. This allowed me to consolidate across the line to the enemy deployment zone in the last enemy turn, earning linebreaker. And that's how the game finished:

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/Game411_zps0c53975f.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/Game411_zps0c53975f.jpg.html)

The final score was 29 points to us, 1 to them(!). My Cataphractii took all the pain for me and, just barely, survived, so I didn't lose any units. My veterans were in a spot of bother after outflanking, only to have two death NL squads outflank behind them, but they had killed an enemy captain and two of them were still alive. The death guard only lost their assualt squad, though their terminators had also taken quite a bit of punishment without making contact with the enemy. So a pretty heavy win to the goodies, a lot of which was thanks to the firepower of our Typhon, Felblade, Predator and Kheres contemptor.

The good guys won the campaign by about 150 VPs in total, so quite a decent margin. My 7th Legion got 51 VPs in total and conceded 5, so we did our part. Epic weekend.

FashaTheDog
26-08-2013, 16:13
Thanks for the comments Memnon.

The new look with the shield is pretty odd. But then he's meant to stand out and be noticed so I quite like how he demands a second look. The really big shield fits with the Roman Legionary idea so I'm actually pretty happy with how it looks.

As for the helmet, two things. I wasn't totally happy with the bare head on its own merits for a start. Secondly, a friend pointed out that it's a bit odd to have a guy in artificer armour and carrying a massive shield, but with no helmet on. I actually don't think I'll have many guys at all without helmets in this army, though there will be a couple.

Anyway he's mostly painted now. Still not sure he will ever be finished, but here's how he looks now. I am at a stage where I'm kind of surprised by how nice the paint looks on him. It's starting to look like somebody who really knew what they were doing painted this guy, but actually it was me!

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020729.jpg

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020719.jpg

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020721.jpg

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020724.jpg

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020723.jpg

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1020725.jpg

Love your work, and although I do like the look of it, my first thought was "my face is my shield." :D

Mandragola
26-08-2013, 17:34
Thanks. And yeah, I'm about 90% happy with that guy's head but I don't think it's the best part of the model.

Vashtek
26-08-2013, 21:36
Cool report and photos. Looks like tanks with big guns and guys with tough armour are the way to go!

Did you take any shots of your whole army? Any other shots of other people's armies?

brain_dead_1st
27-08-2013, 01:09
I love that my praetor had his "holo field" activated lol

Mandragola
27-08-2013, 01:24
Yeah I think in future I'll clean the lens on my camera a bit more often. Quite a lot of pictures were spoiled.

I did take a few of other games. I'll put them up tomorrow.

No army pic as yet. Lots of the stuff is done to a pretty poor standard really, so not sure it warrants it just yet.

Exorcist
27-08-2013, 08:10
So insanely awesome!! I wish i would live anywhere near where such events would happen! And holy **** your Storm Eagle looks awesome.

TheMacDiesel
27-08-2013, 14:44
Really enjoyed meeting a fellow 7th Legionaire at the event. Nice to meet you, and good luck at Nova!!!

Cheers, Sean

Mandragola
27-08-2013, 22:01
Good to meet you too Sean. Hope you had a decent journey home. I was exhausted on Sunday night and glad I didn't also have a long flight ahead of me.

gonzosbignose
27-08-2013, 22:20
He looks awesome... great pose... running with shield up...

Very nice!!

regards

my name is daniel and i am a wargamer

Bigglesworth
27-08-2013, 22:34
You have a great army and it looks like you faced some well painted enemy too. Interestingly the depth of field on some of the pictures makes the models look like epic scale!

Mandragola
28-08-2013, 19:16
Yeah that was more a case of muck on the lens than depth of field I think =P

Here are some rubbish pictures of stuff other people were doing:

Quite a lot of world eaters.

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/Stuff3_zpsb2f34578.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/Stuff3_zpsb2f34578.jpg.html)

Shaw's tanks are dirty, and awesome.

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/Stuff4_zpscbc569f7.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/Stuff4_zpscbc569f7.jpg.html)

3 warhounds in a game

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/Stuff5_zps84ae3ba5.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/Stuff5_zps84ae3ba5.jpg.html)

Only two warhounds here, both on the same side...

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/Stuff1_zpsa583a530.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/Stuff1_zpsa583a530.jpg.html)

Want to see three full squadrones of predators on a board? No? Here it is anyway.

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/Stuff2_zpsc70d50c9.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/Stuff2_zpsc70d50c9.jpg.html)

shaw3029
28-08-2013, 20:11
Great write up buddy. It was cool seeing you at the weekend. The photos are great! Everyone's army was fantastic. A lot of time & effort was put in by everyone that is for sure.




Shaw's tanks are dirty, and awesome.

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/Stuff4_zpscbc569f7.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/Stuff4_zpscbc569f7.jpg.html)



And very unfinished!




3 warhounds in a game

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/Stuff5_zps84ae3ba5.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/Stuff5_zps84ae3ba5.jpg.html)


The crazy thing about that game was that all three warhounds died!

Cheers!

Mandragola
29-08-2013, 00:24
Cheers.

I've just packed away 1850 points of Tau and Eldar. Next stop: Nova!

Mandragola
25-01-2014, 10:49
Hi all,

So it's been ages since I've posted here but actually I've done a bit of work on these guys. I'm going to be taking these guys to a couple of events using 40k rules (but allowing FW stuff) so I'm getting them ready for that. Working at a friend's house so sorry if picture quality is awful.

Slight issue is I have no legal troops for 40k! So first job is to get myself a couple of tactical squads, and first thing to do for that is a heavy weapon for my existing vets. My plan is to have missile launchers because 30k vets can also use them, making a dual-use squad.

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsce7f88f1.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsce7f88f1.jpg.html)

Next, being imperial fists, it would seem rude not to have some devastators centurions. These are getting converted to have 30k detailing, ideally like that on cataphractii. Ridges around edges of plates etc. That's going to take a bit of work, which has been started on one of them. I think the mark 3 helmets are a big improvement already.

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps2a8f33ed.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps2a8f33ed.jpg.html)

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsf24ecd3d.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsf24ecd3d.jpg.html)

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsf5062736.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsf5062736.jpg.html)

Finally (for now) I'm working on an hq. I'm going with a master of the forge, and a very silly one he is too! Going with conversion Beamer but not the near-obligatory bike. Instead he will go with the centurions, who thoughtfully give him tank hunter, slow and purposeful, night vision and split fire.

The gun is obviously absurdly big for an infantry model. It's from the Deimos predator and will be hooked up to his backpack with a servo arm and lots of cables when done. Mental, but hopefully in a good way.

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsac5a964a.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsac5a964a.jpg.html)

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsd34111a2.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsd34111a2.jpg.html)

Irbian
26-01-2014, 12:24
Hey fellow, that no one tells you that your gun is too big XD (http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?228382-Scratchbuild-Thunderbolt-and-Inquisition-mates&p=5032716&viewfull=1#post5032716)

Mandragola
27-01-2014, 16:27
Ok did some work over the weekend, chopping up Mark 3 guys and sticking them together. I feel like I've spent a lot of time sawing at these guys' arms and legs. Getting one of them to hold a missile launcher properly was a real challenge! I've now used up all my old mark 3s that pre-date the legion type, which came with only 2 leg poses and 1 arm pose. Any future guys I make should be a lot less painful. I've also given a few of these bare heads, taken from sternguard and a centurion. I wasn't sure I wanted bare-headed guys, but I've come around to them and a couple of my characters already don't have hats on.

The idea for these guys is that they can be used either for 30k or 40k. In 30k they will be veteran squads, one with two missile launchers and the other with melta and heavy flamer. In 40k they will be two tactical squads, both with missile launchers, with a melta or flamer. The (heavy) flamer guy is a bit of an oddity but hopefully I'll get away with it as a normal flamer in 40k. In both cases they will have deimos rhinos, which I have already. One is base-coated and the other still on its sprues. I'll be using this army at a WHW campaign weekend and at bristol Vanquish in March and April, both times using the 40k list. Vanquish is a tournament which I won last year so I might have to try and make an actually good army! Not an issue for the campaign weekend though. I'm drawing up lists at the moment, but it's looking like I might give my predator executioner the battle of keylek legacy of glory from the new IA2, which makes its blast weapons ignore cover. I can feel the sportsmanship points accruing even now!

I need to add on a few more accessories, like bolt pistols, combat blades and ammo packs still. This actually goes for some of the painted guys too unfortunately, as I got them before I got the add-on packs.

Here are the WIP shots of the new guys:

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1030388_zps1d744623.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1030388_zps1d744623.jpg.html)

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1030387_zps56fe88b0.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1030387_zps56fe88b0.jpg.html)

And here they are in their two tactical squads. I've got a squad advancing and a squad firing, though the heavy and special weapons aren't doing an awful lot.

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1030386_zps720dcccb.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1030386_zps720dcccb.jpg.html)

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1030385_zpsea94da5d.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1030385_zpsea94da5d.jpg.html)

Mandragola
30-01-2014, 16:07
I've embarked on a new, and probably very silly project: scratch building a thunderhawk. I don't really like the forgeworld one, which I think is basically a bit boring and not well thought out, and doesn't somehow fit with the current flyers, so the plan is to build my own - or at least to have a go at it and see what happens. I want to give it a ram like my storm eagle, with the aesthetics and detailing more like what you see on the newer marine things.

For now I've made the basic shape of the thing, from 3 bits of 10mm foam board. Maybe not a great material to use but it will be totally clad in other stuff once finished. This is just to give it a structure.

I made the basic "chassis" from one bit, which should be pretty strong. Also looks quite amusing, if like me you have a childish sense of humour.

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1030390_zpsbfcc54b8.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1030390_zpsbfcc54b8.jpg.html)

Test fitting the first side

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Here it is with both sides, and the superstructure of a shadowsword on. The idea is for it to have a turbo laser destructor fixed along the top of the hull, a bit like the original dominator cruiser (http://www.solegends.com/citsfleet/imperial.htm) from space fleet.

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1030392_zps27febad2.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1030392_zps27febad2.jpg.html)

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I thought this was a little too chunky actually, so after having a look at some pictures of the FW thunderhawk, I slimmed it down a bit. I'm not sure if the shadowsword superstructure will fit on now, but that's not too much of an issue really. I'm not sure whether the detailing on it looks right anyway.

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Top view:

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1030394_zpsefab7fe1.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1030394_zpsefab7fe1.jpg.html)

Side view:

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1030395_zps84e359d7.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1030395_zps84e359d7.jpg.html)

There's loads of stuff still to figure out. I don't know how the detailing will work really at this point. It's going to have a pair of jet engines on the wings, a bit like a storm raven, and I'm thinking of giving it rocket engines at the back like a BFG ship, to suggest a thing that's equally happy in space as on the ground. I think the pilots will be above and behind the gun, rather than at the front, though that's subject to change. I've also got a load of bits of storm talons, so I think I'll use some of their engines for manoeuvring thrusters and the two pilots. The spare servitor from the storm eagle might be in the cockpit somewhere too.

I think a useful next step might be to do some sketches of how I imagine it looking. I'm thinking quite a lot about space shuttles. Very keen to hear any suggestions you lot might have.

Mandragola
01-02-2014, 01:03
Small update. Started adding on stuff, beginning with door surrounds. The side doors are from spare rhino sides you get making deimos rhinos and the rear door is from the storm raven.

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1030397_zpsc4941fab.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1030397_zpsc4941fab.jpg.html)

Beppo1234
01-02-2014, 03:09
I just did a thunderhawk not too long ago... given the bits you've already experimented with here, you might want to take a look.

Mandragola
01-02-2014, 10:07
I like what you've done with your thunderhawk a lot. I've seen them made from storm ravens before and it's cool. It's just not the way I'm going with this one. I have chosen the path of pain, making a full scratch build. Mine is going to be the same approximate size as the FW one, roughly 19x17". It's going to look quite a lot like a BFG ship. It's going to take a long time to build, but that's ok as it's not likely to see use for quite a long time.

Zywus
14-02-2014, 20:59
Such wonderful models. I adore the yellow.

It's really inspiring to see pictures of that massive 30k battle with painted models. That's the way every game should be. None of those silly grey unpainted hordes.

Raktus
16-02-2014, 20:27
This one of my favourite imperial fists armies. It just looks amazing. The conversions are stunning. That eagle....omg! Would give my right arm for that :-)

Don't suppose you have a group shot with all the imperial fists you have, that you can upload?


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Mandragola
25-02-2014, 18:08
Thanks for the feedback guys. Always appreciated. :)

Ok I've done a bit more work, on the marines more than the thunderhawk. That needs to take a back seat while I prepare for an event in 10 days time. I'm going to A Chapter Divided at WHW, which doesn't allow Legion lists so I'll be 40k space marines. That means I can't bring my cataphractii, since their weapons are just totally wrong for 40k (unless I played space wolves, I guess, since wolf guard are allowed all the toys... but I don't play space wolves)

Here's a batch of 5 finished tacticals/tactical veterans. I've got to the point where I can batch paint my standard colour scheme, and I'm quite pleased with how these guys are turning out. For characters I'd like to spend a little more time but as line troops go I think they are pretty good.

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1030408_zps1c1e894c.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1030408_zps1c1e894c.jpg.html)

And here's the next 5 that I'm working on at the moment.

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1030403_zps8a8140ad.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1030403_zps8a8140ad.jpg.html)

Centurions. For these I have scraped off some of the detail that GW had, like the rim around the shoulder guards and some of the stuff on the fists, and added new armoured ridges to the shoulders, hands and shins. The idea is to have an aesthetic closer to cataphractii.

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1030404_zps7937ed96.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1030404_zps7937ed96.jpg.html)

MotF. So this guy has had a little more added to him, in the form of a connection between the servo arm and the conversion beamer it's supposed to be supporting, as well as a radar dish and searchlight on the spare shoulder slots of his backpack. These are also somewhat oversized on a miniature of this size, but that seems to just be the way this guy rolls.

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1030405_zpsb5352101.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1030405_zpsb5352101.jpg.html)

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1030406_zps65e29dec.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1030406_zps65e29dec.jpg.html)

More reinforcements are on the way! In here are a deimos rhino, a couple of praetors and 5 guys with bolt pistols and chainswords.

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1030402_zps523f652f.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1030402_zps523f652f.jpg.html)

Things I need to finish for event:

- A character of some kind specific to the event, probably on a bike, or maybe with a jump pack. So... I've got nothing.

- The tactical squad I'm working on now, and their rhino. Tactical squad is getting there, rhino not so much.

- The centurions.

- The MotF

- Oh and two of the new knights, as it's a 3000 point thing and half my legion army isn't legal. If I only get one of these done, which is a very real possibility, I'll sub in a couple of dreadnoughts or something.

I'm therefore hoping to get all the other stuff done this week so that I can work on the knights from Saturday to Thursday. It's a 3 day event starting on Friday with kill team games and finishing with the 3k on Sunday. If I get them ready I might sneak the knights into some of the smaller games, especially for the relic mission since apparently they score!

Mandragola
26-02-2014, 18:05
Some progress to report: Motf is done. I felt like a break from painting yellow!

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1030413_zps02b327a2.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1030413_zps02b327a2.jpg.html)

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1030412_zpsf1b66eec.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1030412_zpsf1b66eec.jpg.html)

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1030410_zps122ef8c7.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1030410_zps122ef8c7.jpg.html)

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1030411_zps1506ec09.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1030411_zps1506ec09.jpg.html)

Trouble with taking photos on a tripod is it's pretty unforgiving! It's shown me a couple of spots that need tidying up, which you really can't see with the naked eye. Oh well.

I found painting the toothed bits, like the mechanicus symbols and around his shoulders, a massive pain to get right. Glad I don't play Iron Hands.

Mandragola
02-03-2014, 00:43
Slight update time!

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1030415_zps85df6da4.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1030415_zps85df6da4.jpg.html)

So these are my current WIPs. The last 5 tactical marines are ready for basing, one of the Centurions is coming along quite nicely, and both have been put on hold because I got my knights today! This one is built and I've sketched out the base coat. Actually you're looking at a dry fit as none of the armour is glued on and the parts all still move at the moment. I'm not really sure what the optimal time is during construction to stick on the armour plates, but definitely not yet. It was way easier to splurge leadbelcher and nuln oil all over the skeleton without worrying about getting paint on the plates. I actually sprayed the plates seperately, white.

Loads to do on him of course, and he really doesn't look like much at this point, but I'm pleased with today's progress. I'm going to try and replicate the melta on The Firebrand, as shown in today's WD. Doing house Taranis from the Mechanicum book, as they feature at the same time as fists.

The second one will take a little longer to assemble, as I want to do some conversion work on the legs to change the pose. Having built this one straight out of the box, I actually don't think it will be as hard to do as I'd initially feared. The waist and ankles will be the tricky bits, but not impossible.

the damned artificer
02-03-2014, 02:18
Looking good man, but the new fluff dictates the Knights of Taranis are red, black and white which I found odd as I thought they were blue in Mechanicum as well. But who knows, they might have changed their colours after the heresy or something :)

Grand Master Azrael
02-03-2014, 02:42
Are you going to convert somebody into Sigismund?

Mandragola
02-03-2014, 07:46
No. If they come up with a model I might get him.


Looking good man, but the new fluff dictates the Knights of Taranis are red, black and white which I found odd as I thought they were blue in Mechanicum as well. But who knows, they might have changed their colours after the heresy or something :)

Thanks for info. I went by the black and white pattern in the instructions and the book, which mentions deep blue armour! Wonder if, as you say, they changed colour at some point. Not sure whether to go for red now. I think either would look good. The MotF seems to be ok.

Asdrubael108
02-03-2014, 10:14
Looking great! Can't wait too see what youre gonna do with the knight!

Mandragola
02-03-2014, 12:17
Ok I checked with the GW where I got the knights, as they had a copy of the background book. Taranis are definitely red, at least according to current fluff. That's ok, as I think red could look cool, but means I have to repaint some bits. Glad I'd only basecoated it!

the damned artificer
02-03-2014, 14:46
Ok I checked with the GW where I got the knights, as they had a copy of the background book. Taranis are definitely red, at least according to current fluff. That's ok, as I think red could look cool, but means I have to repaint some bits. Glad I'd only basecoated it!

Cool, I have a feeling that the mechanicum novel will be retconned quite a bit, as I have read that the mk IV suits they rescue will be changed to mk VI as well.

Atia
02-03-2014, 14:51
Cool, I have a feeling that the mechanicum novel will be retconned quite a bit, as I have read that the mk IV suits they rescue will be changed to mk VI as well.
Yeah, as alpha legion and raven guard are using the mkVI as prototype gear on istvaan, and all other prototype suits were declared to mkV, it would be cool if they fix mechanicum.

@Mandragola: looks great so far, keep it up =)

Mandragola
03-03-2014, 00:49
I was out most of today so didn't get loads done. He's gone red though! Also drybrushed the skeleton with necron compoud, which made a barely-perceptible difference.

Sorry for the rubbish picture. I quite like the new colour, which stands out way more than the blue did, but my camera doesn't seem to want to know.

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1030421_zps93519acd.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1030421_zps93519acd.jpg.html)

Mandragola
03-03-2014, 19:14
More progress. Nearly done now. Just gun nozzle and exhausts to do. Banner is done but drying flat.

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps203ff96f.jpg

Oh and the base... Yeah.

Asdrubael108
04-03-2014, 13:45
Nice, a very quick way too! It's looking great would only love it a bit more if you'd make the eyes glow a bit more and finish the weapon!

Mandragola
04-03-2014, 20:06
Ok Knight #1 is done. Here are a bunch of pics of him:

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1030434_zps7a22ad49.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1030434_zps7a22ad49.jpg.html)

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1030435_zps27441833.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1030435_zps27441833.jpg.html)

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1030436_zps32c6bc90.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1030436_zps32c6bc90.jpg.html)

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1030437_zpsfed622e9.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1030437_zpsfed622e9.jpg.html)

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1030438_zps74e4fc7f.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1030438_zps74e4fc7f.jpg.html)

So he's ready for war! Base is a little... basic. I plan to go through and stick clumps of grass, snow and maybe some broken stuff on there at some point and you never know, it might even happen. Fine for now though.

Tend to agree with Asdrubael that the eyes could glow a little more. Might do something about that.

Mandragola
04-03-2014, 20:18
Work now begins on Knight #2!

I want this guy to look like he's walking along, as I dislike having models with the same leg poses. I've got the basic position of the legs set now, but there is a bit to do arranging pistons to fit in the new position. Shouldn't actually be all that big a job, as their length won't have changed by more than a couple of mm either way.

One of the things I've done is to make the legs less splayed out. To do this I removed the outer rubber ring from the waist on both sides.

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1030426_zps25bc3e7a.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1030426_zps25bc3e7a.jpg.html)

There's a ball and socket joint. To make this look right, I've moved the nut you see on the outside a little bit, so it's in line with where it should be when the leg is moved. There's no way anyone would notice I'd done this unless I told them, but whatever.

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1030425_zpsdec12541.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1030425_zpsdec12541.jpg.html)

The feet aren't flat on the ground, so I have bent one toe from each foot slightly upward and pinned them in their new position. This allows the legs to be stuck pretty firmly onto the base. I'm doing that at this point for this knight, because he'll be a little less strong with the various bits of leg surgery he's had to endure so far.

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1030439_zpsc8bb850f.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1030439_zpsc8bb850f.jpg.html)

Here are a couple of shots with the body of the other knight, to mock up what he'll look like when finished. Legs look skinny without armour!

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1030440_zps5987ed40.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1030440_zps5987ed40.jpg.html)

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1030441_zps1645d8ea.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1030441_zps1645d8ea.jpg.html)

This is actually turning out to be easier than I'd anticipated. I think it would be relatively straightforward to arrange the leg position in any way you wanted. For this guy I haven't changed the knee angle and I'm only changing the foot in one axis, but I think it would be entirely possible to do more. It would be cool to see a knight standing on a broken vehicle or something like that.

Back to work!

Mandragola
05-03-2014, 01:48
Ok #2 walks! Now ready for his undercoat.

The pistons around the waist were a real pain. The ankle ones were fine but I had to shorten the waist ones a lot and change the angle of a hinge on one of them. GS filling etc. It will look fine but took a bunch of time. I'm pleased with the result but it's something to be aware of. Changing the waist is probably harder than changing the ankles, where the pistons are fairly straightforward to shorten or lengthen.

Not sure whether to give this guy one of the face shields. I quite like them but the "bare head" is also cool. I don't really like the skull one much and am not sure if the more medieval-looking ones are really right for a mechanicus guy. I suppose they are only aligned with the mechanicus though, not part of it as such, so anything goes really.

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1030447_zps9fe58e98.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1030447_zps9fe58e98.jpg.html)

Beppo1234
05-03-2014, 02:29
Ok #2 walks! Now ready for his undercoat.

The pistons around the waist were a real pain. The ankle ones were fine but I had to shorten the waist ones a lot and change the angle of a hinge on one of them. GS filling etc. It will look fine but took a bunch of time. I'm pleased with the result but it's something to be aware of. Changing the waist is probably harder than changing the ankles, where the pistons are fairly straightforward to shorten or lengthen.

Not sure whether to give this guy one of the face shields. I quite like them but the "bare head" is also cool. I don't really like the skull one much and am not sure if the more medieval-looking ones are really right for a mechanicus guy. I suppose they are only aligned with the mechanicus though, not part of it as such, so anything goes really.

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1030447_zps9fe58e98.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1030447_zps9fe58e98.jpg.html)

can I say that I love this shot... and with a little search through the bits box, an unskinned knight would look pretty damn cool. I think you should leave the carapace armor off, and see if you can just fill in the dead space with techy junk.

Asdrubael108
05-03-2014, 09:36
AWESOMESAUCE!!! Lovely work mate! Love the knight sooo much (Bothof them actually!)!!!

Mandragola
05-03-2014, 10:58
can I say that I love this shot... and with a little search through the bits box, an unskinned knight would look pretty damn cool. I think you should leave the carapace armor off, and see if you can just fill in the dead space with techy junk.

It's an interesting idea. The naked knight reminds me of a HK from terminator. I think if they missed one trick with this it was in not telling us anything about the guy driving the thing - what he looks like and how he controls it. It would be cool to do a pilot inside so if you opened the hatch you could see him. Maybe full interior detail like you get on titans.

Beppo1234
05-03-2014, 14:07
It's an interesting idea. The naked knight reminds me of a HK from terminator. I think if they missed one trick with this it was in not telling us anything about the guy driving the thing - what he looks like and how he controls it. It would be cool to do a pilot inside so if you opened the hatch you could see him. Maybe full interior detail like you get on titans.

I've actually wondering about that... when exactly did GW give up on interior detail? Did that concept only apply to transports? Why didn't they give a driver pod which would so obviously fit in that void in the middle of the model?

Mandragola
05-03-2014, 23:12
I think interior detail has always been pretty variable. The sprues you get are seriously full up, so they would have had to introduce a 4th sprue, at substantially more cost, to do this. That sprue could have included more options of course, but that's not the way they chose to go. Maybe FW will do it.

2nd knight is on the painting table and good progress is being made. A few hours more work still needed though.

Mandragola
06-03-2014, 17:58
Ok Knight #2 is done!

Pretty pleased with how this guy has turned out. One slight issue though is that his banner disappeared at some point. Oh no! I just can't find it anywhere. I'll have to make one from scratch unless I can find it, or get one from ebay. I think this guy might be my Seneschal, so perhaps a more fancy banner is required anyway. I think the walking position works fine and looks pretty natural. The racing stripe along the top is quite fun too.

No face visors for either yet. I might do them in future but I'm happy without so far. I think it works best for the Mech theme.

Arms aren't glued onto either. If FW come up with something for them I'll be able to swap them around.

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1030450_zps9dbc85ad.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1030450_zps9dbc85ad.jpg.html)

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Mandragola
09-03-2014, 20:55
Took the army up to warhammer world for the chapter divided campaign weekend. My master of the forge won the competition for best painted character, which was pretty cool. Also played 6 games of kill team and 5 games between 1-3000 points. Won all 11! So I'm on way home now with a painting prize and a gaming prize, after winning the kill team event, which is nice.

The master of the forge did no good in the actual games though. Across 5 games his conversion Beamer immobilised a rhino, and took a hull point off one of my own knights! He did kill quite a lot with his axe, after giving up and bashing stuff instead.

The knights were fun. They blew up sometimes but got the job done in cc.

tcraigen
10-03-2014, 04:36
Great work! The pair look amazing together

Breazer
10-03-2014, 17:32
nicely done. I'm really surprised by how fast so many people are cranking out these huge models.

Mandragola
10-03-2014, 20:28
To be honest they are easy to paint. I left the armour off and sprayed the body, arms and legs black, seperately. Then painted all of that skeleton with leadbelcher, then a black ink wash, then drybrushed necron compound. Some details were picked out in bronze with copper corrosion or gold. For the armour plates I painted the edges first, as it's really easy to then paint over any mistakes when you fill in the block colours for the patterns. I did some blending on the red, then done. I can paint a knight in a day.

Mandragola
11-03-2014, 01:00
Thought I'd share some photos from the event this weekend.

I played 5 games. The first was against marines. 1500 points crusade with dawn of war set up. Here's my opponent's first turn, and an action shot of a drop pod coming at me!

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1030456_zps4c50e1a1.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1030456_zps4c50e1a1.jpg.html)

This results in a bit of a mess really, with bikers and devastator centurions battling in cc - fairly uselessly! Nobody could really hurt each other so my MotF actually made me win the fight, thanks to his power axe. He took his time but eventually chopped everyone down.

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1030459_zps0bcf85a6.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1030459_zps0bcf85a6.jpg.html)

Here is my Storm Eagle screaming on and targeting a single scout, who is holding an objective. The Storm Eagle's heart clearly wasn't in it and the scout lived! I ended up winning this game on secondary objectives, with two objectives held each - though my opponent's objectives were held by his two surviving models!

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1030461_zps2827414f.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1030461_zps2827414f.jpg.html)

Game 2 was 1000 points and the Relic mission I thought this would be a good opportunity to try out my knight, so I went to the shop at the end of the hall to buy a codex, only to learn that they aren't scoring units after all! So my dastardly plan of having the knight grab the relic came to nothing. In the end it was fine though, as the Eldar I was up against didn't really put up much resistance. My opponent conceded on turn 3, after I'd killed everything that could realistically threaten me. The knight actually only killed a fire prism, but the enemy troops couldn't afford to go anywhere near it, and it was next to my relic unit so there wasn't much my opponent could really do. My contemtpor Mortis gunned down an Avatar, which was nice.

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1030462_zpsdbffffb8.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1030462_zpsdbffffb8.jpg.html)

I felt a bit bad taking a knight at 1000 points, but on the next table over there was this going on. That's an Avatar and Wraithknight facing off against a warhound titan, at 1000 points!

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1030463_zpsbb880ec1.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1030463_zpsbb880ec1.jpg.html)

Game 3 was 2000 points, scourging vs an ork gunline army with loads of cool converted stuff. He had 45 lootas, 30 shoota boyz, some grots and a couple of artillery batteries (cannons and zzap guns) behind a wall. There was a battlewagon with nobz and a warboss but they didn't achieve all that much, as I was able to immobilise the wagon and keep the nobz away from my Typhon. This Typhon had a very nice time blowing away orks behind the wall, thanks to ignoring cover with its 7" blast.

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1030464_zps1b6039f5.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1030464_zps1b6039f5.jpg.html)

I ran a knight in this game too, but it died humiliatingly on turn 2. It walked forward, then lost 4 hull points to a zzap gun getting an explode result. Worse was to come, as a gretchin grabbed hold of their quad gun and took off its last two hull points! So much for armour 13 and a 4++. It was about to wade into the lootas,after which not much could have stopped it. Bah!

Anyway the Typhon really dominated this game. Its first hit took out 16 of of the shoota boyz, including the shokk attack gun mek hiding in the middle of the unit, and a few lootas. It basically carried on from there, though it had to defend itself against the nobz a little.

By the end almost all the orks were dead. Only the artillery remained, and was locked in combat. 3 tactical marines had made it to the zzap guns (which irritatingly held, as they were contesting an objective!) and I had a biker character make it to the kannons, where he was held up by the runtherd. A decent win nonetheless.

I love this shot. Great work by my opponent converting up his artillery.

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1030466_zpsa25f360f.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1030466_zpsa25f360f.jpg.html)

There were two games the next day. In the first I borrowed a knight from a friend so I'd have three, to try out the knight codex. 1750 points big guns never tire with hammer and anvil set up. I was up against White Scars with a Typhon and Spartan.

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1030468_zps7c5ed37a.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1030468_zps7c5ed37a.jpg.html)

This was an incredibly brutal fight, with the knights initially devastating the bikes, then being hit hard on the counter. I eventually reached the typhon and Spartan with two of them, only to totally fluff my attacks on the Typhon two turns in a row, taking off only 2hp with 8 destroyer attacks and two S10 hammer of wraths! Eventually it went down though. I was left with my marines totally intact and the borrowed knight on 1hp (glad I could give it back in one piece!), but all the bad guys dead and me in control of all objectives. Scored pretty well in this game, thanks to having all objectives plus two points for the Typhon's eventual demise.

Here's a guest appearance by my mate Vashtek's knight paladin, triumphantly capturing an objective in the enemy deployment zone. He was only an Aspirant, too. Glad to have him along!

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1030470_zps4666cee8.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1030470_zps4666cee8.jpg.html)

The final game was against Chaos with Tau Allies, and to be honest wasn't the best game of the weekend. It was 3000 points kill points and dawn of war, and my opponent just didn't have the tools to deal with two knights and a Typhon. I was sorry about this because you obviously want to have enjoyable games for both players, and it wasn't much fun when the result was obvious from the start. Thing is I don't actually think my army was all that brutal, though it certainly wasn't awful either, and on other tables there were all kinds of stuff like screamer star, stuff that spat D plates etc, and I had to have an army good enough to handle that kind of thing. I really wish the organisers would do some kind of work to pair people up for good games, either using the swiss system or just picking out people with mean armies to face each other. That would make for a better game all round.

Here's my deployment done, and chaos things just setting up.

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1030476_zps5cbb732d.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1030476_zps5cbb732d.jpg.html)

Mandragola
20-03-2014, 00:46
I've done a bit more work on the thunderhawk. Thinking about how the front will work, and the engines.

I'm going to do a similar ram to the one on the storm eagle as I've already mentioned. This one will curve in like the battleships tend to though. Rather than making it with bent plasticard I'm going to make the shape with layers of foamboard and then coat it with some kind of filler I think, to get a smooth surface. Not actually sure what to use.

The cockpit is from a storm talon. The volcano cannon is going to be in the middle and there will be a 2nd pilot on the other side. Not 100% sure how all of that will resolve yet!

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1030488_zps118c94d0.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1030488_zps118c94d0.jpg.html)

I'm also looking at the engines. I've built the shape of the housing for the two side engines and am experimenting with bits of pipe to build nozzles. I think this looks all right for a start, though I probably need to add to it. Not particularly looking forward to making the blades for the fans!

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1030485_zps8cd825dc.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1030485_zps8cd825dc.jpg.html)

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1030487_zpsd6535b2c.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1030487_zpsd6535b2c.jpg.html)

Spjuth
23-03-2014, 20:47
Oooh, Looking forward to that Thunderhawk!

Studio Dave
24-03-2014, 02:11
Man your army is sweet, even if it is imperial fists ;) I love the progression from little to a very nice looking army, you don't happen to have a group shot for us?
the tourny update was pretty cool aswell :D defiantly need to do that again :)

Vashtek
24-03-2014, 17:21
Cool photos from the tourney. I should probably do some of that. I need to add a bit of detail to the knight but glad it performed well!

Mandragola
25-03-2014, 21:59
I've done some more on the thunderhawk. The front is now a big foamboard block, which I've carved into shape with a stanley knive blade. Needed something really sharp to not distort the stuff. I'm planning to fill this in some way, but not really sure how! Anyway I'm happy with the shape. Have a look:

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1030491_zpsf1798c9b.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1030491_zpsf1798c9b.jpg.html)

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1030489_zpsf865fa4e.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1030489_zpsf865fa4e.jpg.html)

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1030490_zpsb9d6e36d.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1030490_zpsb9d6e36d.jpg.html)

Here's a group shot of the army so far, which I'll also add to the front page:

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1030492_zps28cd47ba.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1030492_zps28cd47ba.jpg.html)

the damned artificer
26-03-2014, 01:25
Army's looking sharp man, great job so far :D

Still Standing
09-04-2014, 19:47
Great looking Yellow Marines. Keep them coming. :)

Rusty Magos
10-04-2014, 01:45
Looking fantastic! This army is coming along brilliantly!

Mandragola
28-06-2014, 23:55
Hi all,

Been a while since I've posted anything. Today I did some work building a Spartan so I thought I'd take some pics of building the tracks, which may help someone else in future.

The basic problem you have is that the tracks are too big to fit on. I had the exact same issues making my Typhon, so to be honest I've been putting this thing off. Needs to be done though.

Anyway, to start, after cleaning up (a lot) you can stick on the pieces till you get to this stage, and just have the two pieces for the back remaining.

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1030601_zpsc5aafab0.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1030601_zpsc5aafab0.jpg.html)

Then you need to cut part of the way through each of those two pieces, in a couple of places. What you're doing is creating a hinge point so you can re-shape the piece, so that it actually fits on. Here is the top rear piece. I've cut into where it's bent already because I'm going to straighten it out there a bit, and also cut a "V" into it to create a new bend.

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1030603_zps87f6ed8e.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1030603_zps87f6ed8e.jpg.html)

After the cuts are done, the thing gets dunked in boiling water. Doesn't take long to soften it enough.

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1030606_zpsb93dab25.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1030606_zpsb93dab25.jpg.html)

I do the bends one at a time. You start out with a problem that the piece sticks out backwards too far. By straightening out the link at the top a bit I can get the straight part of the piece to fit closer to the hull, where it's supposed to be. But as you can see, that ends up pushing the next bend too far so it sticks out.

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1030604_zpsc9b07f61.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1030604_zpsc9b07f61.jpg.html)

That's where I cut the V earlier, to create a new bend. Once boiled and bent into shape, I end up with a good fit for this piece.

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1030605_zps26bec595.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1030605_zps26bec595.jpg.html)

The final bit needs to have its corner in a different place because it's also too big, especially now that I've taken some of its space by getting the uppier piece to fit. So again I cut into the existing corner so it can be straightened, and I cut a V where I want the new bend to be.

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1030602_zps9619de42.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1030602_zps9619de42.jpg.html)

I do the heating and bending, getting the piece to fit against the previous piece I worked with and to go around the corner at the rear base of the tank, but there's a problem - it now reaches around too far and clashes with the next piece in line. A track link has to come out. Fortunately, this is at a point on the bottom of the tank so any mistakes won't be too visible. For some reason here the track has a flush end without any interlocking bits (hard to explain but obvious what I mean if you're working with one) which makes it the easiest place to fit after you've removed the link. I have cut through this at a slight angle, matching the shape of the next track piece which this has to fit against.

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1030608_zps13e451d4.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1030608_zps13e451d4.jpg.html)

Once all that is done, I end up with a pretty good fit for my track. It's worth saying I dry fit both the rear sections before glueing either, so that I could still easily chop or bend either one to suit the other. I think it makes sense to glue the other pieces, as they mostly fit without much fuss and you do want something fixed to work against. I'm pretty happy with the end result. There's a bit of cleaning to do now that I've made it actually fit on. Not many gaps to fill though, fortunately.

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1030610_zps7c869fde.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1030610_zps7c869fde.jpg.html)

This Spartan is going to be the transport for my Cataphractii and chaplain, so there will be some conversion work done on the hull. It's actually coming together now but I'm making new doors for the front, to incorporate a dozer blade, so that could take a while.

Hope this guide is useful anyway. It's a hell of a job to get tracks on a spartan but you can get good results.

Garanaul the Black
29-06-2014, 04:58
Wow, those tracks are tedious, really nice work though!
Those Knights are gorgeous! So clean and precise!

Good to see you back, keep up the good work!

Mandragola
29-06-2014, 09:42
Tedious is the word. It's annoying that FW sells a product that absolutely doesn't fit together. I'm happy with how they have turned out but everyone who builds a Spartan has to do this, which sucks.

The doors at the front would be a major problem too, if I wasn't going to totally rebuild that anyway. I do like FW tanks but I'm not a huge fan of building them!

The spartan is having a bath at the moment to clean it a bit more. I did soak it for a few hours but it still felt like it had something on there while putting it together. Shame, as I'd been hoping to make some progress on it today.

Asdrubael108
29-06-2014, 10:47
Sad to hear your spartan didn't go together that well.. Mine went together like it was nothing! Can't wait to see what you do with it!

Mandragola
29-06-2014, 19:28
All the FW bits are assembled now. It's basically just waiting for its nose to be added and I'm not sticking the sponsons on while I do that, so I don't risk breaking them.

Here's a mock up of the new front. The idea is that I'll give it a ramming prow, a little bit like the storm raven's, to count as it having a dozer blade. I first did this on a redeemer because I didn't think the front doors looked anything like big enough for terminators to come out of and I feel the same about this Spartan, since it's supposed to carry my Cataphractii about. Plus it will fit better with the rest of my army.

I'm moving the heavy bolter turret and driver's cupola forward to peek over this new front and I'm going to fit something else into the gap they leave in the roof of the hull. Current plan is to put a pulpit for the chaplain, so I can have him standing on the roof of the thing chanting away as it crushes heretics.

I'm not sure how I'll detail the ram. I may actually look at having a curved thing, sort of like a plough, or I might go for something with really heavy hinges and teeth along the bottom like the vindicator's siege shield. For now I'm just building the structure. Any suggestions?

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1030612_zpsfc477330.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1030612_zpsfc477330.jpg.html)

Oboc
29-06-2014, 22:26
Have you seen the photo preview for the mechanicum triaros? The front ram on that looks pretty epic, ans is a similar shape

Mandragola
30-06-2014, 00:12
Hmm that's a really good point. That has a flare shield too. I might incorporate elements of that. Overall I think that mechanicum aesthetic doesn't quite fit, but I'll find a way to use elements of it.

K3nn3rs
30-06-2014, 19:54
This is amazing work- I think the prows are a great touch. I also can't wait to see the pulpit for your Chaplin- great idea!!

Mandragola
26-08-2014, 15:10
Ok I've actually done some work! Better get a move on as I'm taking these guys to an event in a few weeks!

I've worked up the front out of a vindicator's siege shield. I cut it half and trimmed it to fit back together, then filled the (many) gaps with plasticard and green stuff. Fairly pleased with the result, so far.

There's a fair bit more to do of course. I want some detail along the top and sides, and a means of opening. I'd originally planned that it split into two halves and opened to the sides, but now I think it should hinge upwards. I reckon a couple of decent-sized hydraulic rams on the roof, to either side of the bolter turret, should do the job. So that's next on my to do list, and then I'll worry about the pulpit.

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1030635_zpsdbda405f.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1030635_zpsdbda405f.jpg.html)
http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1030633_zps56a47c56.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1030633_zps56a47c56.jpg.html)
http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1030636_zps2c8a58e4.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1030636_zps2c8a58e4.jpg.html)
http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1030634_zps98c32249.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1030634_zps98c32249.jpg.html)

A friend pointed out the resemblance to a dunlop groundhog. Can't say I see it myself...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27ZC00tLj3E

Mandragola
26-08-2014, 17:48
I've also got a few infantry models to make. I ordered some of the guys with bolt pistols and chainswords to make more veterans. Got some autocannons, imperial fist chests, combi weapons, plasma guns and assault weapons. Might also do a couple of vets with heavy bolters. I'm using the imperial fist chests to make squad leaders. Here are a veteran sergeant (with power sword and melta bombs) and the leader of a heavy weapon team. A friend donated the head from a tank crewman, which I didn't really like before but think looks kind of awesome on a guy rocking an autocannon!

No left shoulder pads yet. I make them by ordering the crimson fist shoulders from GW and for some reason the latest bunch is taking forever to get here. Annoying.

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1030637_zps22f8e870.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1030637_zps22f8e870.jpg.html)

Here's a generic veteran with the assorted upgrade gear on him.

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1030639_zps668ab69f.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1030639_zps668ab69f.jpg.html)

This is my WIP Alexis Polux. Bit of GS work to do on him I think. I want to try and get his hair to look like his portrait, rather than the jarhead look this sternguard head has. Might do some kind of emblem on his shield - either a fist or a big VII maybe. Laurel leaves would work well around the edge.

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/1f7ccaee-2ab7-40d3-8986-afca07db5d44_zps265e1b4b.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/1f7ccaee-2ab7-40d3-8986-afca07db5d44_zps265e1b4b.jpg.html)

hazmiter
05-09-2014, 18:20
Very nice mandragola :)
Subscribed, this Paint log will help me do the yellow on mine fairly well :)

Mandragola
08-09-2014, 00:43
Cheers.

The work continues. Here's my TH/SS terminator dude. Mostly going to see action as a terminator sergeant, but might be Lysander in 40k. Still WIP at the moment. Made the shield from a bit of plasticard I heated up and squished between a couple of teaspoons, then sculpted on the leaves etc. Silliness.

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1030646_zps8bb1321a.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1030646_zps8bb1321a.jpg.html)

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1030647_zps1581f239.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1030647_zps1581f239.jpg.html)

My autocannon squad is ready. Now that book 3 is here and we've got info on squad markings I've painted them more or less according to the guide. A heavy weapon sergeant is shown with a black hat with a white stripe down it. I've gone with black hats for all of them and a white stripe on the sergeant's visor. He's also got a sergeant marking on his forearm. Fairly pleased with the freehand there, as it's not something I do much. I'll take some proper photos at a later time I think as these are a bit rubbish - sorry.

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1030645_zps64bbdabb.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1030645_zps64bbdabb.jpg.html)

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1030643_zps1ac6a36c.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1030643_zps1ac6a36c.jpg.html)

Rusty Magos
08-09-2014, 14:57
Great stuff! Love the terminator conversion, really dynamic!

Mandragola
08-09-2014, 15:24
Thanks. I can't claim much credit for the terminator's pose. I just gave the Praetor new weapons. I am very pleased with how he's come out though. He sort of demands a scenic base, perhaps featuring an iron warrior getting smashed in the chin by his shield.

dangermouse425
09-09-2014, 08:58
Fists looking good, mate. I especially like the Pollux conversion WIP.

Mandragola
05-12-2014, 01:36
I've started doing a bit more work on these guys. Had a few MkIIIs and bits awaiting construction so decided to get on with it, partially spurred on by the arrival of book 4.

I want to rationalise my existing infantry squads, to have the following:

2x10 veteran tactical guys. One squad with plasma, the other with missile launchers. (some finished, some not)

10 support dudes with volkite calivers (could do with better painting)

5 autocannon dudes (fully sorted)

And to that I'm going to add:

A command squad, basically as a way to use up some of the cool weapons I got on the special weapon sprue

A squad of 10 guys with heavy bolters, because 10 BS5 heavy bolters would hurt, and look awesome.

Maybe a couple of attack bikes, or some other thing. That would require some work, but attack bikes do seem very good.

Here's my first built heavy bolter dude. I'm quite happy with how this guy has come out. Note that I'm using "modern" heavy bolters because I like them way more than the FW ones, which are tiny by comparison. I replaced the backpack nozzles with the ones from the MK III guy to make it seem old fashioned. The painted arm is pinched off a sergeant whose position I was never quite happy with at the time, who is getting refurbished and made into a standard bearer.

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/IMG_2672_zps63e0abb9.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/IMG_2672_zps63e0abb9.jpg.html)

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/7ef44f39-f570-4d0a-aa25-4a7dbdb5418a_zps9c9a3f85.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/7ef44f39-f570-4d0a-aa25-4a7dbdb5418a_zps9c9a3f85.jpg.html)

These two jokers are the beginnings of my command squad. I'm going to have five guys I think, with an assortment of weird and wonderful weapons. Not sure they will see much use on the tabletop except in the biggest games but the point of this project isn't to make a hugely competitive army. If I feel like/get round to it I might make them a land raider to ride around in. I've got a phobos hull and some spare weapons from sponsons, so the idea might be to have a phobos but with old school detailing. Needless to say it will have a big ramming prow at the front... if it ever exists!

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/IMG_2679_zps6da8cf1d.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/IMG_2679_zps6da8cf1d.jpg.html)

MrKeef
05-12-2014, 02:02
You've done a great job on the curved prow on the vehicle from a few months back, I really love it! Kinda reminds me of the FW mechanicus transport thingy. The big round shield you made looks good too, made me think of a big Spartan bronze shield and I think it fits the vibe great.

One question: is there a reason you order the Crimson fists shoulder pads and not the. Imperial Fist ones? Is there any difference between the two? Oh, and if you're still looking for a marine head with real hair instead of the usual jar heads/bald heads then check the Bllod angels kits as they always have luxuriously sculpted hair. :)

Anyway, everything here looks amazing, keep up the great work!

Mandragola
07-12-2014, 00:55
Thanks. Glad you like my stuff :)

I mentioned that I was thinking of doing attack bikes. I've wanted some of these for in-game reasons for ages now and I'm finally getting round to building them, having thought for ages about how to do it. I've never much liked the GW bike and sidecar thing and had various other ideas. Some kind of quad bike or dirt buggy was the thought for a long time, but the idea of fabricating the suspension for that kind of terrified me. I also think you want something a bit heavier for MK III guys anyway.

So the answer I've hit upon is something with tracks. I took some thunderfire cannon tracks, turned them backwards and created something a little bit like a baby Sicaran. It's in its early stages so far, with all the upper hull still to build, as well as detailing on the sides, but I've got the basic shape of the thing and I'm quite happy with it actually. It seems just the right size to carry two marines, and you end up with something roughly the size of a normal attack bike.

So here's the basic chassis
http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1030654_zpsbb7595f2.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1030654_zpsbb7595f2.jpg.html)

These are the beginnings of the crew. Swapped the legs to get a guy standing straight for the back and one with two bent legs to sit up front. Not sure how I'll do arms for these guys yet.
http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1030655_zps5ce43913.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1030655_zps5ce43913.jpg.html)

And here they are in their positions. I'm going to build the hull around the driver and see how that looks. I might end up having to move the gunner's position slightly up and/or back so whatever gun I give him doesn't bang on the driver's head.

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1030656_zps4ef80a2c.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1030656_zps4ef80a2c.jpg.html)

Not an easy call on which gun to use. I'm thinking autocannons for now. The twin bolters will be incorporated in the bonnet somehow. Any comments/suggestions?

Mandragola
15-12-2014, 00:20
Hi all,

So I've had an order come through from forgeworld, with book four, a contemptor and dudes to finish off my heavy support team with heavy bolters. Got a bunch of devastator heavy bolters too.

So first up, a bit of progress on the heavy support squad. I've got one guy properly made, two more who need a tiny bit of filling with GS and 3 more who are basically assembled, but have the hard bit yet to go. The hard bit, by the way, is getting the arms and heavy bolter to fit together. I'm looking forward to seeing how the running guy looks.

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1030659_zps56fc484e.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1030659_zps56fc484e.jpg.html)

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1030661_zpsd52523f9.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1030661_zpsd52523f9.jpg.html)

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1030660_zps76875a34.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1030660_zps76875a34.jpg.html)

And here's the contemptor. He's got a couple of fists with built in grav guns. The model is incredibly poseable between the legs, waist and especially the arms. I'm quite happy with how he's turned out. I wanted him to look like he's advancing and zapping something with a grav gun, which seems to have worked.

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1030662_zps6e3162da.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1030662_zps6e3162da.jpg.html)

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1030663_zps7206778c.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1030663_zps7206778c.jpg.html)

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1030664_zps93bcf207.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1030664_zps93bcf207.jpg.html)

Hope you like these guys. Comments welcome as always.

Phatsquirre1
15-12-2014, 05:32
The MkIII Heavy Bolters that you've done look great. I'm especially curious as to see how the attack bike turns out; really liking the concept so far. :)

Mandragola
15-12-2014, 23:36
I've assembled a couple more heavy bolter guys, including the one running along.

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1030665_zpsb4d27ccd.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1030665_zpsb4d27ccd.jpg.html)

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1030666_zpse0ce0ca8.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1030666_zpse0ce0ca8.jpg.html)

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1030667_zpsf2ef9130.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1030667_zpsf2ef9130.jpg.html)

So that means I've now got a "combat squad", or a squad I could actually field if I felt like it. I'm pretty pleased with how these guys are coming I must say.

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1030668_zpsb378b4bd.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1030668_zpsb378b4bd.jpg.html)

Mandragola
17-12-2014, 00:49
Pretty minor update today. I've got my second set of TFC tracks now so I thought I'd catch up with attack bike #2. It makes sense to build them at the same time so all the bits match.

So here's the two together, now that I've caught up to the first.

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1030669_zps4b6e2c48.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1030669_zps4b6e2c48.jpg.html)

The tricky bit to figure out for these is how to handle the front. The driver is going to have his twin bolters to shoot and the gunner behind will have some other kind of gun. Not quite sure exactly how the detail will work around the driver's area, but I've made a start by building up the very front. I've kind of copied the Sicaran again, by having sort of a bite out of the front but with big chunky bits on either side linking up with the track wheels there.

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1030670_zps94e66a68.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1030670_zps94e66a68.jpg.html)

Not totally sure what guns to give these. I happen to have a multi-melta and a heavy bolter from the heavy/special weapons pack so those are an option. I was also thinking autocannons might be good. Heavy bolter works well for fists of course.

It's just occurred to me that I could actually have the gunners with the heavy weapons on their shoulders - as the models are designed to be - rather than figuring out a way to mount them on the attack bike. That would probably look stupid though! Any suggestions would be really valued right now :)

Vashtek
17-12-2014, 10:31
I wouldn't go with a multi-melta, personally. Attack bikes are really good harassing the enemy from range, taking objectives, tarpitting units and generally winning the game for you. IMHO they are wasted rushing up to tanks to try and get within 12", only to then inevitably miss. Autocannon seems the obvious option if you already have a bunch of heavy bolters.. though you are fists... I'd maybe try out heavy bolters with added melta bombs for flexibility.

Mandragola
18-12-2014, 00:48
I hear what you're saying on the multi-melta. I suppose I dont see myself doing suicide runs with it, more just zapping stuff at S8 - but the aotocannons do just feel like the better option really. I Got assorted thicknesses of plastic tube so I might see about making some cannons - or I might have some IG ones somewhere. Lots to do on the hulls first anyway.

Mandragola
27-12-2014, 13:59
Some more work on the attack bikes, though progress has been a bit disrupted lately. I've stuck bolters on them both and done a bit more work on the first, building the crew, the cockpit and working on a gun for it.

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1030671_zps2fbae3c3.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1030671_zps2fbae3c3.jpg.html)

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1030675_zps7d4a6f0b.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1030675_zps7d4a6f0b.jpg.html)

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1030676_zpsac91f273.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1030676_zpsac91f273.jpg.html)

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1030677_zps204ef4ac.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1030677_zps204ef4ac.jpg.html)

Mandragola
27-12-2014, 14:36
This is where it gets a bit complicated. I'm not really sure how I'm going to stick on the gunner. I've mocked up where he might stand and he's ending up a bit higher up and further back than I'd expected, which I'm not sure I'm happy about.

Here's what it would look like:

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1030679_zpsc965cdf2.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1030679_zpsc965cdf2.jpg.html)

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1030683_zps83ab7c68.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1030683_zps83ab7c68.jpg.html)

I thought about maybe doing an asymetric thing. The gunner can be lower down if the gun can go next to the driver instead of over his head. That would be something like this:

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1030680_zpse6e88eea.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1030680_zpse6e88eea.jpg.html)

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1030682_zps43022b4e.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1030682_zps43022b4e.jpg.html)

Not sure if that's too weird. The off-balance thing could be resolved by putting some kind of engine on the side where the gunner isn't.

I had a play drawing on a picture to see what sort of structure could support the gun if I do put it on top. I could end up with something that looks a bit like the cockpit of one of the marine aircraft, but maybe done as a space frame or roll cage like on a dune buggy. This is a really rough sketch of the kind of thing I mean:

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/Mockup_zps26907666.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/Mockup_zps26907666.jpg.html)

Mandragola
29-12-2014, 16:47
Here's a bit of an update. I've built the roof, meaning I've got all the structure of the thing in place. Now a question of adding on detail

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1030684_zps99032296.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1030684_zps99032296.jpg.html)

The thing that takes ages is fabricating the parts from plasticard. All sorts of odd little shapes, often cut with edges bevelled (I think that's the word!) so they fit with each other at angles. These side bits for the cockpit were a bit of a chore!

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1030687_zps7623fdb4.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1030687_zps7623fdb4.jpg.html)

With the roof done I needed a way for the driver to get in and out. I decided that the way that works is for the roof to hinge to one side. Here's the hinge. Sorry it's not really in focus.

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1030689_zpsc37c0775.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1030689_zpsc37c0775.jpg.html)

And here it is added on. I've also finished the mount for the autocannon to make it look like it's on something that can turn to the sides.

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1030690_zpsf3a48689.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1030690_zpsf3a48689.jpg.html)

Next I need to make a locking mechanism for the other side, an engine (or at least some exhausts sticking out) and a bit of detail on the sides.

Mandragola
02-01-2015, 16:56
Good news - for me anyway. The first "attack bike" is built. Check it out:

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1030708_zps72047f2c.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1030708_zps72047f2c.jpg.html)

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1030709_zpsf4285a43.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1030709_zpsf4285a43.jpg.html)

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1030711_zps2bf3078b.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1030711_zps2bf3078b.jpg.html)

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1030712_zps913438c4.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1030712_zps913438c4.jpg.html)

I had some fun adding details. First time I've bothered with rivets, and making the engine exhausts was interesting. Not actually too hard with some tube and a saw. I've given the gunner stuff like a pistol and grenades (including a melta bomb) to let it potentially take out other vehicles in cc. It's been a fun project making this thing, so I suppose I'd better get on with the other one. Always more interesting when designing something than making it a 2nd time.

It's quite funny to contribute such a tiny thing to these forums, usually full of people scratch building really impressive stuff like warlord titans and felblades. I'm quite pleased with this little thing though :)

Hope you like it. One final question is whether I should base the thing. My instinct is to stick it on a 60mm round base. Any thoughts?

Cheers

andyg2006
04-01-2015, 10:01
This is a really cool idea & very well executed. I always struggle with bevelled edges too :(

Jiro
04-01-2015, 10:33
These are fantastic. I do have a couple of comments/questions though.

1. Could you take a shot of how you hacked the MK3 legs to get it to the sitting position?
2. You've obviously got a great eye for detail with the hatch hinge. But for the gunner, it looks like he might fall off the platform quite easily. It might be good to include a harness.

Mandragola
04-01-2015, 23:08
Thanks a lot guys. Glad you like the work.

A harness for the gunner is a good idea. Thanks. I think something going to his belt from the roof of the driver's cab is probably the best option, maybe clipping onto his belt buckle. I've got a chain maker on order actually so this might be an opportunity to try that out.

I've tried to illustrate how the legs were made, but it's not been easy. I did it by taking two sets of legs - the running ones and one of the others where the foot is bent down, and then basically swapping the left leg from the standing set with the one on the running set. You have to do more work on the sitting legs to bend them forward, but it's not really hard. Just make the cuts where the flexible-looking bits are and replace them with green stuff when you're done. I always try to do that rather than cut through the armour plates, where possible.

Thing is, this time the left leg on the seated set is a lot straighter than the one I did before, and I don't know why. I don't remember bending them at the knee, but I suppose it could have just come out of casting that way maybe. You could probably bend it with some hot water, or cut and reposition it. Or you might just not care too much (as I don't) if the legs are barely visible, or if he was visible you could have him with one pedal down and another up, or something like that.

Here are some pics of the process anyway. I've not made the standing legs yet because I think this gunner will be doing something more interesting.

The legs I started with:
http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1030713_zpse6d7a68e.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1030713_zpse6d7a68e.jpg.html)

Chopped up:
http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1030714_zps198d86a0.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1030714_zps198d86a0.jpg.html)

You have to cut the hips to fit the legs in their new position:
http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1030715_zps175489bf.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1030715_zps175489bf.jpg.html)

Done (sort of):
http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt185/Someguy01/P1030716_zpse046a881.jpg (http://s610.photobucket.com/user/Someguy01/media/P1030716_zpse046a881.jpg.html)

Vashtek
06-01-2015, 12:13
Nice work! How many of these are you making? 2?

Rusty Magos
06-01-2015, 12:25
Love the attack bikes!
I always thought that regular bikes don't overly suit the stoic nature of Imperial Fists, but these have a much more solid feel to them. It's almost like each bike is a little mini fortress, which is just what the imperial fists would like! Great work!