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Lord Squidar
13-10-2012, 15:37
So today I took part in an allied chaos/chaos daemons assault on a grey knight/marine strongpoint.

The game was going really back and forth between the two factions, they'd wipe out one of our units, we'd squash on of theirs (my daemon prince smashed Sicarius to death, horray).

Now I am no stranger to the rules grey knights get against my poor little daemons, but I was not prepared for the last turn stuff that happened.

GK player had two dreadknights, both on 1 or 2 wounds each, I had a half strength daemon prince, and a fully ready bloodthirster ready to charge these mofos and kill them. When I charged in, the GK player declared overwatch and much to my surprise had 12 shots on each of the dudes, plus some flamer hits. Obviously he got some hits with 12 shots, and lo and behold, these shots also always wound daemons on a 4+ despite being only str 4. Needless to say, both my big gribblies died.

Seriously, this and psyk out grenades and daemonbane just make me want to quit and play necrons. I was having fun up until this point, but how can this even be possible?

Yes I know I am ranting now but I was really disappointed.

So how do I go about killing these things if they are this uber?

Mozzamanx
13-10-2012, 15:45
That would be the Gatling Psilencer. However, you were unlucky with that. If its Overwatch, he should only get 2 hits per Psilencer, which then goes to 1 Wound. Before Armour.

For you to lose both a wounded DP and full-strength BT to Overwatch fire is horribly unlucky when you should expect 1, perhaps 2 with poor save rolls. Even if he had a Divination Psyker allowing full-BS Overwatch, you would have been very unlucky to lose both.
Very few players use Psilencers because the Psycannon is simply a much better competitor.

Lord Squidar
13-10-2012, 16:03
Sigh.

I had another moment like this last week. I had 15 bloodletters warp in, survive the shooting triade and make it into combat with a grey knight terminator squad. After all was said and done, 16 or 17 wounds on the termies. Now had this been last edition, I would have laughed evilly at this point and watched the grey knight player cry, but it was my turn. 1 death after the armour saves and feel no pain. I know its not specific to grey knights, just hellblades sucking in general, but its been two disheartening weeks in a row for ze daemons.

Ace Rimmer
13-10-2012, 16:13
Well, since 6th ed and now also the new daemon buff booklet, Flamer's & Screamer's are definitely the best thing for killing terminator's if you can survive long enough to get near.

However, I always forget how amusing flesh hounds are against grey knights. Yes please, I'd love a 2+ save versus all your melee attacks.

Aluinn
13-10-2012, 16:17
Sigh.

I had another moment like this last week. I had 15 bloodletters warp in, survive the shooting triade and make it into combat with a grey knight terminator squad. After all was said and done, 16 or 17 wounds on the termies. Now had this been last edition, I would have laughed evilly at this point and watched the grey knight player cry, but it was my turn. 1 death after the armour saves and feel no pain. I know its not specific to grey knights, just hellblades sucking in general, but its been two disheartening weeks in a row for ze daemons.

I'd say it's not so much that Hellblades suck (Bloodletters are still S5 on the charge, have a high WS and goodly number of attacks, AP3 aside), but if that Terminator unit had FnP it would have been Paladins with an Apothecary, which would: A) be significantly more expensive than your Bloodletter unit and so sort of deserve to win, because Paladins ain't exactly cheap baseline, and TBH the Apothecary is horribly overpriced and not even a good competitive option, even in 6th (yes, some things in the GK codex are overpriced :)); and B) just happen to, by a quirk more than anything, be about the worst thing you could pit Bloodletters against, not because they're GK, but because of the obvious 2+ saves, the (unnecessary) FnP, 2 Wounds per model with no way for you to cause ID, and a WS that leaves you hitting on 4s in spite of the fact that you're paying a lot for WS5, which is nearly nonexistent on non-character models ... except Paladins and Bloodletters (Incubi and Genestealers being the only other exceptions IIRC).

So yeah, last edition it probably would have worked out, but it's not an issue of Bloodletters having been de-fanged. They're still scary mofos and the main difficulty with them is still simply getting them into combat; once there they will continue to kill almost anything, given like 7+ surviving models. Even generic Terminators aren't going to have an easy time with them, statistically, point-for-point.

A.T.
13-10-2012, 16:59
Needless to say, both my big gribblies died.The odds of an overwatch Psilencer killing a bloodthirster are identical to the odds of a half dozen guardsmen with lasguns running in and shooting one to death in a single turn.
It's not uber, it's just lucky.

Horus Lupercal
13-10-2012, 17:06
Sorry to sound like a troll but what I'm seeing is a lot of people crying about Grey knights. The specialist highly skilled and equipped demon hunters of the Ordo Malleus killing demons.

Not only does this for once look like fluff actually coming across in a game but its just some serious bad luck!!!

Aryllon
13-10-2012, 17:15
...you're paying a lot for WS5, which is nearly nonexistent on non-character models ... except Paladins and Bloodletters (Incubi and Genestealers being the only other exceptions IIRC).

And Khorne Berserkers. Not sure, but possibly Harlequins.

NixonAsADaemonPrince
13-10-2012, 17:38
Yep Harlequins as well. And Ork Nobz with Waagh Banner.

That's still a pretty short list of reasonably rare units though.

Lord Squidar
13-10-2012, 18:04
I know bloodletters are the worst thing to tackle terminators, I didn't have much choice at that point of the game. Was more like "remember the good old days" of AP everything.

I don't usually go for odds in these games but if its that rare for this to happen, then I will chalk it up as my once in a lifetime "chaos gods are laughing at you chump" moment and lick my wounds in the warp plotting my revenge. I guess it doesn't help that I play in a small group of players and only have one army, so he knows that to bring against me, seems like psilancer is a pretty poor choice versus everything else.

On a side note, skulltaker was wading through paladins today, he personally took out 4 of the dudes, and it could have been a pesky librarian too if it weren't for a delayed reserve role.

Plague Lord
13-10-2012, 19:08
LAst game vs tau there was a nice WTF moment. Basically 20 firewarriors, 2 devilfish, 2 hammerheads and some crisis suits all shot at my 3 nurgle oblits and after my amazing dice rolling only 1 wound was dealt! My opponent was incredibly unhappy...

Then the killing started (firewarriors don't like mass assaultcannons)

Minsc
13-10-2012, 19:18
Yesterday my Nurgle Sorcerer on Bike (so T6) and Force Axe charged Commander Shadowsun (which was pretty much the last model my opponent had on the table.)
She overwatched with her two melta-guns, two 6's, two wounds, I fail both my 4++ saves, take 2 wounds and die... :rolleyes:
Great ending to a great game though.

Aluinn
13-10-2012, 22:16
Yep Harlequins as well. And Ork Nobz with Waagh Banner.

That's still a pretty short list of reasonably rare units though.

Don't know how I forgot Harlies and Berzerkers, and also Death Cult Assassins, but yeah, point stands that it's rare enough to be worth quite a bit, and as a defensive as well as offensive stat is worth something even against other units with WS5--it just wasn't good enough in the OP's case :).

Dwane Diblie
14-10-2012, 02:08
If overwatch is a massive problem for you then seriously consider chaos allies as part of you daemon list and get yourself a couple of Rhinos with Dirge Casters. These will porbably quickly become targets though once your opponent realises what they do.

Toadius80
14-10-2012, 02:51
Or get a couple of cheap small but fast units, say harpies and tag team them. Basically keep the harpies safe behind the hard hitters, then before the nastys charge, the harpies engage first, thus the enemy uses their overwatch on them so your hard hitters get in unmolested. Also if the harpies survive then free I10 attack each :-)

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blameless
14-10-2012, 23:00
All this to be said it really comes down to knowing your enemy and knowing your odds. Then you can chose your targets carefully/knowledgeably and laugh at luck.