View Full Version : My change to first blood

24-11-2012, 11:58
I was thinking that not a lot of people like first blood as a lot of the time it goes to the person who goes first. So what about first blood goes to the person who scores the most kill pointsin the first game turn.

24-11-2012, 14:13
Sounds like a good idea to me.

28-11-2012, 22:53
So most blood rather than first blood?

29-11-2012, 00:09
That sounds a little more balanced. My change would personally by to just take away first blood all together, or just change it to whoever killed more units gets the VP

29-11-2012, 00:25
We've been replacing First Blood with Cleanse (3rd/4th ed. I don't remember which) and that has been working well.

29-11-2012, 01:28

It's still the basic premise of first blood, just no longer important who goes first.

29-11-2012, 02:33
I don't mind it really. It forces a choice sometimes. Shoot the Rhino with your heavy anti-tank to get first blood or hit the LandRaider which you might not take down. Sure some times its a no brainer. Sometimes with night fighting and not putting your models all out in the open you can make them work for it. In the end it is only one point. I've gotten quite a few first blood going second against shooty armies.

29-11-2012, 06:56
And what about CC armies, how are they ever gonna get first/most blood?
It might be a bit more balanced with 2 shooty armies opposing each other, but it still hits CC armies more than any other.

30-11-2012, 16:43
And what about CC armies, how are they ever gonna get first/most blood?
It might be a bit more balanced with 2 shooty armies opposing each other, but it still hits CC armies more than any other.

How about you don't go entirely CC? Or bring big units that won't give out first blood easily?

I don't see first blood as a problem, seeing as you can mitigate the threat in the list-building phase.

01-12-2012, 11:20
Just had a game where we went 3 turns without a single unit being lost. Big units and AV14. My Thousand Sons hardly ever give up any KP.

Commissar Merces
01-12-2012, 11:42
First blood has decided way too many games for my local stores, to the point where most people singularly focus fire on one unit just to get the first blood. Granted, it keeps the rest of the army alive, but it basically becomes a guaranteed victory point for the person that goes first, especially against certain armies.

Battleworthy Arts
02-12-2012, 08:40
Our group plays it as whoever gets the most kills in the first turn gets the VP

02-12-2012, 23:24
I'd be comfortable with it only applying to killing a scoring unit as well (they tend to be tougher and its more focused then).


03-12-2012, 21:26
Just make only scoring or denial units count. Problem solved.

Kaldor Draigo
04-12-2012, 09:21
I don't want to pause the game at the end of the turn and start counting points to work out who should get the Victory Point.

Remember, you know who is going first when you are setting up your army. Use that to your advantage, and giving up First Blood shouldn't be such a problem.

04-12-2012, 11:55
Its one freaking point. If that is the major decider in your game maybe you should learn how to claim an objective. Those are worth three each.

04-12-2012, 12:09
<chuckles> Just don't take vehicles and it is highly unlikely that your opponent can score first blood. It takes a LOT of shooting to kill a real unit 1st turn.

04-12-2012, 15:42
I don't see a problem with first blood. Most of the games I have seen or played in have not been draws or decided by one point. My last game was very close, and it was 7-5, and that was giving up one of the points to my opponent who got first blood.

While the method described above is not bad, it is more time consuming and I find it unnecessary.

04-12-2012, 17:40
No issues with first blood at all here.

04-12-2012, 18:12
It's not so awful on its own, but it is yet another blow against melee & light ground vehicles (especially transports), in an edition overflowing with other similar little punishments for fielding such units. The hate on light vehicles and melee in 6th edition has resulted in a dramatic reduction in variety in my parts, with a third to a half or more of the options in most books just never being seen. It wasn't necessary on top of everything else.

04-12-2012, 18:50
To be fair, in 5th edition, a third or a half or more of the options in most books were never seen either =P

It's just that the 20% of the book that is used today is different than the 20% of the army book used before June.

04-12-2012, 19:03
Why not just do it where each player can achieve first blood by killing a unit first turn? Simple and to the original idea.

04-12-2012, 19:11
I think that First Blood is a good the way it is. It balances the game instead of giving an advantage to who ever gets the second turn in Objective based missions.

05-12-2012, 01:19
Remember that the player with Close combat units in many light vehicles is more likely to get the linebreaker VP at the end of the game than the gunline player.