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rjmatseer
01-01-2013, 13:32
Eldar are quoted to be in summer 2013. I would think that they would be pushed back due to some delays. What do think about a new Eldar codex and models?

Sami
01-01-2013, 13:35
I think you should read the forum rules for this section.

carlisimo
02-01-2013, 00:09
What do think about a new Eldar codex and models?

Do you expect anyone to say, "Oh no, that would be terrible!"?

Starchild
02-01-2013, 02:47
Nothing is getting pushed back or delayed. The new Eldar will be on schedule according to whatever long-term plan GW has set up for the year.

MajorWesJanson
02-01-2013, 04:42
Eldar will be late year, post Tau. Probably October/Nov slot.
Model-wise, I expect a flier+variant, Wraithguard 5-pack + CC variants, Jetbikes+Shining Spears 3-pack, Webway gate scenery piece, 1-2 Aspects converted to plastic, maybe combo pack with another aspect or a new one. Swooping Hawks seem likely. Jump Troops seem to get plastic kits rather high priority.

Arijharn
02-01-2013, 06:08
what makes you think Wraithguard would be getting a CC option? Don't get me wrong, that would be awesome but I just figure it's unlikely since we already have some specialised CC troops out there.

T6 melee monsters that aren't Monstrous Creatures just sounds stupidly filthy.

Hendarion
02-01-2013, 08:03
There are many reasons/hints for such a thing:
1) If Wraithguard go plastic, it most likely will be a dual-kit as many stuff currently. 1.5x the work for 2x the income.
2) People ask for it like forever and it would be an obviously easy new option to add to the army. Either that or something completely different based on the Wraitguard-kit.
3) Every army and her grandmother received some high-toughness-high-strength-high-hp-units lately - you can't compare Banshees or Scorpions to that at all.

Spell_of_Destruction
03-01-2013, 06:04
Yeah, CC Wraithguard is merely speculation based on recent trends. It wouldn't surprise me at all for the reasons that Hendarion has mentioned.

Shamana
03-01-2013, 06:18
I'm hoping for more than just 3-4 model releases, really. A lot of eldar models haven't been changed in a long time - aren't warlocks and spiders (and probably others) the same since 3rd edition, just finecast?

TremendousZ
03-01-2013, 06:48
To be honest, I am more focused on finishing some painting on my eldar more than new units. There are a few options when you think about new units. For new CQC(close quarters combat for you non-MGS vets); Banshees, Harleys, and Scorpions fill the role, BUT there is no axe variant. I would honestly expect an upgrade to banshees to become more competitive vs armor2+ then a new CQC unit, if they did release a new unit it would severly crowd this section.

If there was a CQC wraithguard all I could see them having is the 2+ save because that is no where else in the current codex. I think a toughness 5 (or even 3), 2+ save no invul would fill a hole and make them a "little" bit different than termies to make them xeno.

carlisimo
03-01-2013, 07:38
I'm hoping for more than just 3-4 model releases, really. A lot of eldar models haven't been changed in a long time - aren't warlocks and spiders (and probably others) the same since 3rd edition, just finecast?

Since 2nd edition! One of them still looks really good (http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440239a&prodId=prod1060086) imo, but Mr. Antlers (http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440239a&prodId=prod1060084) needs to be replaced. The Phoenix Lords, Avatar, Vyper, and Falcon are also great models of the same age. I suppose the Phoenix Lords and Avatar could be redone larger. The Vyper isn't as easy to put together as GW's more recent plastic kits so I hope it gets redone. I don't mind if the Falcon stays. Warp Spiders, Jetbikes, and Wraithguard also date back to 2nd edition, and they desperately need a refresh.

That's a lot of 15-year old kits!

Shamana
03-01-2013, 07:53
If there was a CQC wraithguard all I could see them having is the 2+ save because that is no where else in the current codex. I think a toughness 5 (or even 3), 2+ save no invul would fill a hole and make them a "little" bit different than termies to make them xeno.

IIRC only the Phoenix Lords are 2+ at the moment, and that doesn't worry me really - at most I'd extend it to an upgrade for a combat HQ like the autarch and whatever else shows up in that slot in the next codex.Wraithguards have a decent save as is - I'd say making them multiwound models (i.e. T5 W2) would serve well enough if you want to play a "wraithwing" tough army. There is no particular need to have 2+ armor in an army just because another army has it.

@ carlisimo - wow, 2nd edition? Okay, I do think a serious update is in order. DE got a massive revamp, and their stuff is from 3E. Granted, a lot of the old DE models were hideous, but even good models can only last so long.

Black Guardian
03-01-2013, 09:46
With my cynical head on: I'll believe that these new kits are coming when they actually land.

More balanced view, I just hope that they iron out the rules for existing kits- I have 50 odd Guardian models that now just gather dust.

Chrysalis
03-01-2013, 10:18
An Eldar is not late nor is he early he arrives precisely when he means to :)

More seriously, I think that with skimmers and psykers everywhere Eldar need a new "race signature". Wraithbone constructs could be that signature, and reflect the fact that the whole race is diving more and more deeply into decline. So I would they yes, plastic wraithguards with multiple options could be expected. I don't know why, but I also feel like guardians could come back to the forefront of the scene...

But with no solid element to feed those theories, that's still wishlisting! ;)

silverstu
03-01-2013, 11:30
Since 2nd edition! One of them still looks really good (http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440239a&prodId=prod1060086) imo, but Mr. Antlers (http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440239a&prodId=prod1060084) needs to be replaced. The Phoenix Lords, Avatar, Vyper, and Falcon are also great models of the same age. I suppose the Phoenix Lords and Avatar could be redone larger. The Vyper isn't as easy to put together as GW's more recent plastic kits so I hope it gets redone. I don't mind if the Falcon stays. Warp Spiders, Jetbikes, and Wraithguard also date back to 2nd edition, and they desperately need a refresh.

That's a lot of 15-year old kits!

Leave MR Antlers alone! I love that model! Thats the thing with a lot of the older eldar models- Jes' work really stands the test of time.


I'm hoping for more than just 3-4 model releases, really. A lot of eldar models haven't been changed in a long time - aren't warlocks and spiders (and probably others) the same since 3rd edition, just finecast?

I think it could be a multiple wave release - I think eldar could do with some new units to freshen things up and it fits the current release approach. Then there are a few units/models which could do with an update too. I still think the "box list" rumour is, if not accurate, indicative of what is coming for eldar- more wraith units, jetbike units- basically a lot more flavour in the list.
On the CC wraith guard -that has been a consistent feature of a rumoured plastic wraith guard set- both the box list and Darnok's recent birdy rumour.[It was also briefly mentioned in one of the codex- Iyanden having developed a CC version].

Irisado
03-01-2013, 11:52
You can find the wishlisting thread here (http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?336142-Eldar-Wishlist).

carlisimo
04-01-2013, 05:33
Leave MR Antlers alone! I love that model! Thats the thing with a lot of the older eldar models- Jes' work really stands the test of time.

Heh. Okay, besides the antlers I'll agree it's a great model. There were some gems in 2nd edition, like SM scouts, some of the Chaos characters, metal Imperial Guard infantry... and also a number of models that look so so out of date, like all the orks and necrons.

I can't wait for new wraithguard. They were too expensive and bland 15 years ago - if other large infantry kits are any indication, they might look twice as good without actually being twice as expensive (unlike any of the vehicles, especially small ones). Can't wait. I probably wouldn't use CC wraithguard, but I'm all for it if it happens.

Rob and Roll
04-01-2013, 12:49
I am normally not adding anything in rumour or wishlisting threads, but would like to add to existing Eldar rumours. I have no interest in being seen as a source of rumours, I just want to inform other Eldar players waiting for a new codex and new shiny models.

The manager of my ILGS, where I have bought my Eldar models for years and years, mentioned that Eldar are certain for 2013, most likely in the first half of the year. I didnt ask for the information, he simply provided it because he thought it would interest me.

Hope this limited scrap of info is of use to fellow Eldar players.

red_drake
04-01-2013, 14:55
I'd actually look for eldar in the second half of the year.

Hastings has confirmed eldar as after dark Angels, daemons, and tau.
Throw in some fantasy army books and were looking for a October/November release

cynic
04-01-2013, 20:24
Since 2nd edition! One of them still looks really good (http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440239a&prodId=prod1060086) imo, but Mr. Antlers (http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440239a&prodId=prod1060084) needs to be replaced. The Phoenix Lords, Avatar, Vyper, and Falcon are also great models of the same age. I suppose the Phoenix Lords and Avatar could be redone larger. The Vyper isn't as easy to put together as GW's more recent plastic kits so I hope it gets redone. I don't mind if the Falcon stays. Warp Spiders, Jetbikes, and Wraithguard also date back to 2nd edition, and they desperately need a refresh.

That's a lot of 15-year old kits!

Make that 22+ year old models!!! Rogue Trader era. I had the warlocks back in 1991 (Mr Antlers + his friends), but i think the models might be from 1990? I still have them all.... and still not got round to painting them! :)

Jetbikes will defo be re-done for the new codex.

Tymell
04-01-2013, 20:52
Yeah, the Eldar range certainly contains some of the oldest 40K models still around, with quite a few dating back to the early 90s. The oldest depends on what you count: the old Rangers are from 1989 and are still available on the GW site, but have had replacements since. This Warlock (http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440239a&prodId=prod1060088) is from 1990 and is the oldest still on the GW site. After that came Mr. Antlers in 1991, then the Phoenix Lords, Jetbikes and the current Avatar in 1994.

That's not to say oldest = bad though :)

Sildani
05-01-2013, 12:47
I'd like to see the Falcon replaced. The molds are really old, and it's producing kits with defects - my last Falcon hull had a pebbly texture I had to sand down to get smooth. I'm sure Jes could use the CAD technology available to him to slightly tweak the design. I'd like it if the "wings" could be a bit wider and more blade-like. The turret could also stand a redesign to make it streamlined.

Lord Zarkov
05-01-2013, 13:22
I'd like to see the Falcon replaced. The molds are really old, and it's producing kits with defects - my last Falcon hull had a pebbly texture I had to sand down to get smooth. I'm sure Jes could use the CAD technology available to him to slightly tweak the design. I'd like it if the "wings" could be a bit wider and more blade-like. The turret could also stand a redesign to make it streamlined.

I agree, IMO they should redo the hull and then make a turret more in line with the Fire Prism one.

Chrysalis
05-01-2013, 13:31
I'd like to see the Falcon replaced. The molds are really old, and it's producing kits with defects - my last Falcon hull had a pebbly texture I had to sand down to get smooth. I'm sure Jes could use the CAD technology available to him to slightly tweak the design. I'd like it if the "wings" could be a bit wider and more blade-like. The turret could also stand a redesign to make it streamlined.

I'd add that the falcon (as well as the serpent...), always looked more like a crab rather than a gracious bird... A design reflecting the aerial features of the tank would be most welcome.

I also like the comment that was made earlier about the original falcon/serpent for Epic - since that's where the 40k tanks comme from! The true eldar transport was once the falcon, with some firepower, of course, to support its infantry loadout, but it would carry the equivalent of the 12 40k models. On the other hand, the wave serpent was an overspecialized transport with exotic weaponry: this fancy force field that had a blocking terrain template and could be fired right in front of the tank. The falcon was in no way the tank hunter it now is (well, it actually could, but it wasn't its main role). This was the job of V-Canon batteries, tempest super-heavies, etc...

I'd love to see the falcon back to its true transport role with added flyer rules and a new design. And the return of exotic, "alien" weaponry that was also the signature of Eldar, instead of having almost the same weaponry as mon-keighs and such... My! If I wanted to play lascanons, plasmacanons and autocanons, I'd play another army! :)

silverstu
05-01-2013, 13:50
Well there has been no rumours of a re-working of the falcon [although I'd love to see it updated with a slightly longer, more elegant profile- i love the forgeworld lynx]. Harry did mention the eldar getting a "new chassis" a while back but I presumed this was more a flyer type vehicle. I'd say a falcon refresh would be a bit down the list of priorities- maybe a [much] later wave release. Besides don't most people have enough falcons by now? It's probably because it is the only tank chassis available to eldar- a new one would certainly freshen things up.

H3L!X
05-01-2013, 14:15
I don't like the idea of changing the chasis! I just started Eldar and love their tanks, and it would look not good if there suddently are different looking tanks along with my old 2! Furthermore would it confuse other players, they are already confused enough in my club, they never now what tank is which!

Chrysalis
05-01-2013, 14:39
Trying to be in the shoes of a GW sales person... I think that proposing a new falcon chassis would be a double-edged weapon: on one hand people could not want to buy the new ones because their whole army has old designs, on the other hand the chassis are really old, and players could buy a product bringing some fresh air to their dusty eldar force (this, and the "Oh, shiny new toys!" syndrome). For example: the new wraithlord perfectly replaced the old one, and players bought it... (me first!)

H3L!X
05-01-2013, 15:06
But the wraithlord is a different thing! Replacing all tanks will cost you more! You just have more tanks than wraithlords!
I don't mind minor changes on the chassis and a update to the mold for a better fit of the parts!

Chrysalis
05-01-2013, 16:18
Replacing all tanks will cost you more! You just have more tanks than wraithlords!

Exactly! That's exactly why somebody wanting to earn money would propose a new chassis! :)
Considering the age of the old eldar tanks, everybody has them anyway. You can always design new ones and say: "Oh! But you can still use the old ones, no problem!". You know as well as me that a lot of players would buy the new models ;)

silverstu
05-01-2013, 16:41
BTW- I don't think Harry was referring to a new falcon chassis at all but a new vehicle type for eldar. A new falcon would be more of an evolution rather than a redesign I think, so even a full new kit would likely sit with existing tanks, a sprue recut is more likely. I still doubt it will happen- GW are more likely to concentrate on bring out new kits and jet bikes and vypers would be higher on the redesign list.

Chrysalis
05-01-2013, 16:53
BTW- I don't think Harry was referring to a new falcon chassis at all but a new vehicle type for eldar. A new falcon would be more of an evolution rather than a redesign I think, so even a full new kit would likely sit with existing tanks, a sprue recut is more likely. I still doubt it will happen- GW are more likely to concentrate on bring out new kits and jet bikes and vypers would be higher on the redesign list.

I completely agree. It was only wild speculation :)
From what I remember about the new eldar vehicle, the boxed set is the size of a land raider box. I think it was also said it didn't look like a flyer...

Endobai
05-01-2013, 17:13
Personally I'd expect changes to the turrent. Falcon/Firestorm box would require something different than the current design and most likely it would lead to a turrent more similar to FW Falcon and Fire Prism/Night Spinner.

The chassis is not only iconic, but repeated in all Eldar tank models made in plastic. Too expensive to change.

However we'll surely get a new vehicle of some sort, most likely something large because the technology is better than before and because every army seems to get one.

An Eldar Knight seems interesting to think about - large, different, could be used by the Exodites if this option becomes available in any way. With all those ideas taken from the 1st and 2nd edition and refreshed we are seeing in many codexes I would expect something just like this.

Give me Wh40k scale Bright Stallion (http://www.solegends.com/citcat911/c2131epiceldarknights-02.jpg) any day.

silverstu
05-01-2013, 17:52
Personally I'd expect changes to the turrent. Falcon/Firestorm box would require something different than the current design and most likely it would lead to a turrent more similar to FW Falcon and Fire Prism/Night Spinner.

The chassis is not only iconic, but repeated in all Eldar tank models made in plastic. Too expensive to change.

However we'll surely get a new vehicle of some sort, most likely something large because the technology is better than before and because every army seems to get one.

An Eldar Knight seems interesting to think about - large, different, could be used by the Exodites if this option becomes available in any way. With all those ideas taken from the 1st and 2nd edition and refreshed we are seeing in many codexes I would expect something just like this.

Give me Wh40k scale Bright Stallion (http://www.solegends.com/citcat911/c2131epiceldarknights-02.jpg) any day.

Yeah I could see a recut of the falcon giving more options, maybe changing the turret and adding the little "wings" round the jets to elongate the design- like the forgeworld mk2 falcon kit.

The new vehicle/chassis - I did think the large wraith construct mentioned in the "box list" might fit the bill- it seems to sound a bit like the eldar epic knights.. maybe more like the Fire Gale 2.


I completely agree. It was only wild speculation :)
From what I remember about the new eldar vehicle, the boxed set is the size of a land raider box. I think it was also said it didn't look like a flyer...

Yes- just thought I'd clarify in case [once again] I had mis-quoted Harry and gotten people exited about the wrong thing :p. I remember he said the kit was land raider sized [but not a heavy av14 type Tank I think]. If it isn't a flyer maybe it is a knight/heavy walker/large wraith construct type vehicle- like what was described in the "box list". I mean what sort of new vehicle would suit the eldar forces, adding character? A larger grav tank maybe - I think the way the DE got a bomber and fighter in order to give their lists a different feel would suggest a new vehicle might not mean simply a new grav tank, but something to give eldar armies a more characterful option- i think the wraith construct/knight might just fit the bill.

Sildani
05-01-2013, 22:02
Considering the current Codex has Iyanna Arienal being accompanied to battle by a "giant wraith-construct", a kit for one wouldn't be too far-fetched. Assuming, of course, the old special characters reappear.

carlisimo
05-01-2013, 22:40
At some point I could see the Falcon being recut like some of the Imperial Guard tanks were - not a full redesign, just new molds. But it's a low priority... there are too many models that more desperately need updating! I hope sales are sufficient to justify it.

Chem-Dog
05-01-2013, 22:44
There are many reasons/hints for such a thing:

Not to mention the original Wraith Guard did come in a Melee variant (pic included for the curious).


I don't like the idea of changing the chasis! I just started Eldar and love their tanks, and it would look not good if there suddently are different looking tanks along with my old 2! Furthermore would it confuse other players, they are already confused enough in my club, they never now what tank is which!

It happens to every army eventually, I doubt it'll happen this time round though as the Eldar have a lot of models that need to make the jump to plastic kit first. It must be said though, new kits would probably do wonders for the confusion issue, the two-in-one kit design philosophy usually makes a good job of making the different builds different enough to be easily distinguished at a glance.


Considering the current Codex has Iyanna Arienal being accompanied to battle by a "giant wraith-construct", a kit for one wouldn't be too far-fetched. Assuming, of course, the old special characters reappear.

Citadel finally making a Warcaster with a 'Jack? :D



I'm really looking forward to the Eldar release, more so than any other slated for this year, but I do worry that there'll be another shark-jump model or two in there, something like the Landspeeder Vengeance or the Helldrake that'll stick out as anachronistic to everything we know and expect from the Eldar.
So I suppose my biggest hope is that Jes had as much input into the Eldar models as he did the Dark Eldar as that level of control worked wonders on creating a cohesive looking range, something the Eldar need more than most.



Oldschool combatty Wraithguard. ▼

silverstu
05-01-2013, 23:18
I'm really looking forward to the Eldar release, more so than any other slated for this year, but I do worry that there'll be another shark-jump model or two in there, something like the Landspeeder Vengeance or the Helldrake that'll stick out as anachronistic to everything we know and expect from the Eldar.
So I suppose my biggest hope is that Jes had as much input into the Eldar models as he did the Dark Eldar as that level of control worked wonders on creating a cohesive looking range, something the Eldar need more than most.


If there is one thing I'd be pretty sure of, given the success of the DE range, is that Jes will be at the helm of the new eldar release. I think the DE release showed how well it worked and I also got the impression that it gave Jes the inspiration to do a similar job on their craftworld cousins.
Love the old ghost warriors- I had completely forgotten them though as a template/inspiration for the current wraithguard-cheers for the reminder!

Eldarsif
06-01-2013, 11:58
If they do changes to the Falcon/Wave Serpent box it would be to combine the two kits into one box. They seem to be doing this and more with units in general. One box with lots of options to make one of the 2-3 variations(This is especially evident in the new Dark Angel release). Only downside is that the box will probably jump 10 dollars in price at the same time.

H3L!X
06-01-2013, 12:53
If they do changes to the Falcon/Wave Serpent box it would be to combine the two kits into one box. They seem to be doing this and more with units in general. One box with lots of options to make one of the 2-3 variations(This is especially evident in the new Dark Angel release). Only downside is that the box will probably jump 10 dollars in price at the same time.

I could use the spare bits to build an Eldar-"Aegis"-Linie, if they do not bring any Eldar Fortifications!