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M'ichal
11-01-2013, 16:45
ok, so I'm a bit confused by today's announcement of Mephiston: Lord of Death. It seems it's the first in a new series for SMs - Lords of the Space Marines. What I'd like to know is whether this series will be a series of premium collector's releases or there will follow regular releases of these novellas? Or a mix, kind of like SM Battles? Does anyone have more info?

This one sounds appealing, especially as I collect BA's but at $70 - no no :shifty:.

shadowhawk2008
11-01-2013, 17:22
I've been fine with their limited editions model till now. But with the recent release of Dark Vengeance, Flesh of Cretacia and now Chains of Golgotha, I hoped that they would abandon that particular strategy and open up the novellas range to everybody. Guess not. I'll stick to the cheap novellas, which actually come with eBooks. Just because they add in that chapbook and postcard, I don't consider an extra $10 to be worth it. Ah well. Whatever. People who buy this stuff will buy it nonetheless.

MajorWesJanson
11-01-2013, 17:44
I expect that these will be merged into anthology editions in a year or two. We have had one SMB anthology, another could come along and include Flesh. A Lords of the Imperium could include the Mepheston and Yarrick novellas.

FlashGordon
11-01-2013, 17:46
Not that im buying, but why would someone buy this from two author i have never heard about? have they written in hammer an bolter?

ArgelTal
11-01-2013, 17:48
As with everything else, BL will keep making it while it continues to sell. If they are left with loads of copies of Mephiston unsold, then they'll scrap that model. Pure and simple economics.

I don't mind so much the hardback novellas - I stil think that they are a bit of a mickey take but at 12 each, with cheaper e versions as well its hard to feel TOO put out by it. But I do agree that the limited edition thing seems to be getting a *little* bit too prevalent. The HH ones I didn't mind so much because you tend to get one a year, although from the BLW it sounds like they will become more frequent also. But the others? Well, it feels a bit much to me, but then I don't HAVE to buy it I suppose :P

Yarrick? Probably a yes if I enjoy Evil Eye, which I had totally forgotten even buying. But the Mephiston thing? Probably not.

Now if Aaron was writing it......:P

brother alinski
11-01-2013, 17:49
I've been fine with their limited editions model till now. But with the recent release of Dark Vengeance, Flesh of Cretacia and now Chains of Golgotha, I hoped that they would abandon that particular strategy and open up the novellas range to everybody. Guess not. I'll stick to the cheap novellas, which actually come with eBooks. Just because they add in that chapbook and postcard, I don't consider an extra $10 to be worth it. Ah well. Whatever. People who buy this stuff will buy it nonetheless.

Dude Chains of Golgotha isn't Limited Edition. Neither is Flesh of Cretacia, there just in hard back which makes them more expensive. They will be released in paper back after 6 months. (Dark Vengeance was limited for the new box set.)

FlashGordon
11-01-2013, 17:50
Dude Chains of Golgotha isn't Limited Edition. Neither is Flesh of Cretacia, there just in hard back which makes them more expensive. They will be released in paper back after 6 months. (Dark Vengeance was limited for the new box set.)

On BL facebook page they said Chains of Golgotha will not be in PB.

ArgelTal
11-01-2013, 17:51
Dude Chains of Golgotha isn't Limited Edition. Neither is Flesh of Cretacia, there just in hard back which makes them more expensive. They will be released in paper back after 6 months. (Dark Vengeance was limited for the new box set.)

You mean I have to WAIT to buy them at a more reasonable price? What MADNESS is this? BL SCREWING OVER THE TRUE FANZ AGAIN! HOW DARE THEY WANT TO MAKE MONIEZ!!!!! I SHOULD GET ALL MY BOOKS FOR FREE!!!!!

FlashGordon
11-01-2013, 17:55
You mean I have to WAIT to buy them at a more reasonable price? What MADNESS is this? BL SCREWING OVER THE TRUE FANZ AGAIN! HOW DARE THEY WANT TO MAKE MONIEZ!!!!! I SHOULD GET ALL MY BOOKS FOR FREE!!!!! Well there are ways, but thats not discussable on this forum and i do not recommend it of course!

shadowhawk2008
11-01-2013, 18:02
Not that im buying, but why would someone buy this from two author i have never heard about? have they written in hammer an bolter?

Umm yes.

David Annandale is on both Chains of Golgotha and Mephiston. He has had Carrion Anthem published in H&B 11, a Death Guard/Typhus short story that I really liked. It was reprinted in Treacheries and the 25 For 25 eBook anthology. His Evil Eye 15th Birthday eShort ties into Chains of Golgotha and was as good as Carrion Anthem. His Blood Angels/Mephiston short story Eclipse of Hope is another good one. EoH is being reprinted in Mephiston as a chapbook. He has a short story in the Deathwatch: Xenos Hunters anthology, which I haven't read yet but own. He did a short audio for the 2012 Advent Calendar, Veritas Ferrum. Haven't listened to it yet. He has a novel coming out soon, The Death of Antagonis, which is an SMB title featuring Black Dragons.

shadowhawk2008
11-01-2013, 18:03
Dude Chains of Golgotha isn't Limited Edition. Neither is Flesh of Cretacia, there just in hard back which makes them more expensive. They will be released in paper back after 6 months. (Dark Vengeance was limited for the new box set.)

I certainly wasn't talking about Chains of Golgotha, but Mephiston.

ArgelTal
11-01-2013, 18:04
Well there are ways, but thats not discussable on this forum and i do not recommend it of course!

Speaking as someone currently setting up a review website, I wouldn't involve myself in that kinda shenanigans anyways.

Not that I am judging - to each their own, but I'm not really a fan of the old peg leg and pretty polly versions of ANYTHING. Just a personal preference. :)

FlashGordon
11-01-2013, 18:28
Umm yes.

David Annandale is on both Chains of Golgotha and Mephiston. He has had Carrion Anthem published in H&B 11, a Death Guard/Typhus short story that I really liked. It was reprinted in Treacheries and the 25 For 25 eBook anthology. His Evil Eye 15th Birthday eShort ties into Chains of Golgotha and was as good as Carrion Anthem. His Blood Angels/Mephiston short story Eclipse of Hope is another good one. EoH is being reprinted in Mephiston as a chapbook. He has a short story in the Deathwatch: Xenos Hunters anthology, which I haven't read yet but own. He did a short audio for the 2012 Advent Calendar, Veritas Ferrum. Haven't listened to it yet. He has a novel coming out soon, The Death of Antagonis, which is an SMB title featuring Black Dragons.

So from shorts to "premium/collectors/limited"? Remind me again why anyone would risk that? :P

Edit: bah stupid new computer, anyway. I can buy that dan abnett or some of the more known authors get to make limited/whatever books.

M'ichal
11-01-2013, 19:16
We have had one SMB anthology...

Which one was that?


They will be released in paper back after 6 months.

Is this confirmed somewhere, how do you know?

shadowhawk2008
11-01-2013, 20:17
So from shorts to "premium/collectors/limited"? Remind me again why anyone would risk that? :P

Edit: bah stupid new computer, anyway. I can buy that dan abnett or some of the more known authors get to make limited/whatever books.

Which they do already. They are giving equal opportunities to their new authors and their older, established authors. Nothing wrong with that.


Which one was that?

Is this confirmed somewhere, how do you know?

Architect of Fate, four novellas by four different authors, all somehow about Kairos Fateweaver, one of the named Greater Daemons of Tzeentch.

And I've heard about the reprints, can't offer any sort of confirmations though.

bound for glory
11-01-2013, 20:31
Umm yes.

David Annandale is on both Chains of Golgotha and Mephiston. He has had Carrion Anthem published in H&B 11, a Death Guard/Typhus short story that I really liked. It was reprinted in Treacheries and the 25 For 25 eBook anthology. His Evil Eye 15th Birthday eShort ties into Chains of Golgotha and was as good as Carrion Anthem. His Blood Angels/Mephiston short story Eclipse of Hope is another good one. EoH is being reprinted in Mephiston as a chapbook. He has a short story in the Deathwatch: Xenos Hunters anthology, which I haven't read yet but own. He did a short audio for the 2012 Advent Calendar, Veritas Ferrum. Haven't listened to it yet. He has a novel coming out soon, The Death of Antagonis, which is an SMB title featuring Black Dragons.

are you 100% certain of this, shadowhawk? i mean, take a minute and look over the list...

M'ichal
11-01-2013, 20:46
Architect of Fate, four novellas by four different authors

Ah, right, forgot about that one. I just sort of treat it as a book on its own rather than an anthology, which it of course is. It'd be cool to get an anthology with Flesh of Cretacia, the LE book about Cassius and some other eShorts published over the time.

shadowhawk2008
11-01-2013, 20:46
Which list?

shadowhawk2008
11-01-2013, 20:48
Ah, right, forgot about that one. I just sort of treat it as a book on its own rather than an anthology, which it of course is. It'd be cool to get an anthology with Flesh of Cretacia, the LE book about Cassius and some other eShorts published over the time.

It was a mostly good anthology. Didn't like the Relictors one, but the others were good. It's been almost a year since Catechism of Hate was released (and coming up on a year and half for Promethean Sun). I suspect that the first 2 HH novellas, PS and Aurelian, will be in an anthology by the end of the year, or first quarter of 2014 latest.

FlashGordon
11-01-2013, 21:05
Which one was that?



Is this confirmed somewhere, how do you know?

He does not know.
Quote from BL facebook:
"Black Library Alessandro Demattei, this is only in English at the moment, but that's not to say we won't translate it in the future.

Sascha Jott Ausm Ruhrpott, we currently have no plans to release this in any other format than the two that are currently available.

Tim ter Haar, this is not a limited release, merely exclusive to blacklibrary.com and Games Workshop."

FlashGordon
11-01-2013, 21:15
Which they do already. They are giving equal opportunities to their new authors and their older, established authors. Nothing wrong with that.


I think it is.
If i would support a limited edition book i would like to know if there is an ounce chance of good content.
(NOT saying that there won't be any, but how would i know? i only buy books not shorts and i bet most of us still do not not who these guys are(yeah i have almost a whole ikea billy ;) bookcase of bl books so i am not completely out of the loop..) ;)

But i guess that the public these books are marketed for does not care so much about quality of content. As long as it is packaged nice they will risk the quality. meh. XD

shadowhawk2008
11-01-2013, 21:26
If you haven't read anything by these authors, then yeah, the quality of the content is dubious. But if you have read it and liked it, as in my case with David's work, then the quality isn't in question. At least until the product has been experienced, whether novel or novella or short story or audio drama or comic or whatever.

And just for the record, Dan/Aaron aren't the only guys worth reading at Black Library. Just because they, or any other author you might prefer are/is not writing a particular book doesn't mean that it is gonna suck, or that people are gonna buy it don't care about quality.

Also, you wanna "ensure" the quality? Go read David's short fiction for BL or his non-BL horror novels.

FlashGordon
11-01-2013, 23:52
If you haven't read anything by these authors, then yeah, the quality of the content is dubious. But if you have read it and liked it, as in my case with David's work, then the quality isn't in question. At least until the product has been experienced, whether novel or novella or short story or audio drama or comic or whatever.

And just for the record, Dan/Aaron aren't the only guys worth reading at Black Library. Just because they, or any other author you might prefer are/is not writing a particular book doesn't mean that it is gonna suck, or that people are gonna buy it don't care about quality.

Also, you wanna "ensure" the quality? Go read David's short fiction for BL or his non-BL horror novels.

Thats why i think its crazy to let people who have not written anything of note(in my opinion a book for example) to make limited editions.

Im not sure i ever said that Dan and Aaron would be the only ones? Dot' know what you are getting at there since i just wrote that i own a whole bookcase of bl books(or was it a generalized "you"?).

Well maybe i will look into his horror novel's, im not one to exclude authors because i don't know them, but i would never buy a limited edition by one i never heard about.

M'ichal
12-01-2013, 03:26
I think a lot of these releases are more about what the content is about rather than about who the author is. I myself sometimes fall into that. "A book about Mephiston? SWEET!" "A trilogy about X? AWESOME!" and THEN it's usually followed by "And it's written by Y!? ICIIING!!" If you get my flow.

Either way, I'll resist the admission price, as nice as it looks.

ArgelTal
12-01-2013, 09:05
I fell into the trap of assuming that Flesh of Cretacia would be poor because Andy Smillie was a newer writer. Turns out I was wrong, so I am trying to keep an open mind moving forwards.

if only there were some kind of book based cliched phrase about covers, judging and content.....

Pyroriffic
12-01-2013, 17:31
I fell into the trap of assuming that Flesh of Cretacia would be poor because Andy Smillie was a newer writer. Turns out I was wrong, so I am trying to keep an open mind moving forwards.

if only there were some kind of book based cliched phrase about covers, judging and content.....

"Don't put all your eggs in one basket."

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nagash66
12-01-2013, 17:47
Price for a 128 page novella is crazy, its not even limited in numbers which while a good thing could at least be used to justify the price based on rarity.

M'ichal
12-01-2013, 18:35
Price for a 128 page novella is crazy, its not even limited in numbers which while a good thing could at least be used to justify the price based on rarity.

ya, I'm just glad I still have SOME form of control =)

MajorWesJanson
12-01-2013, 23:07
It was a mostly good anthology. Didn't like the Relictors one, but the others were good. It's been almost a year since Catechism of Hate was released (and coming up on a year and half for Promethean Sun). I suspect that the first 2 HH novellas, PS and Aurelian, will be in an anthology by the end of the year, or first quarter of 2014 latest.

I would think they would commission 2 more and put them into a "The Primarchs vol II" HH book.

M'ichal
12-01-2013, 23:13
I would think they would commission 2 more...

Already there, no? Unkindness of Ravens and Brotherhood of Storm. All 4 in a single nice volume - that would be something!

shadowhawk2008
13-01-2013, 04:43
Already there, no? Unkindness of Ravens and Brotherhood of Storm. All 4 in a single nice volume - that would be something!

Except that Unkindness of Ravens is not a HH book :-)

M'ichal
13-01-2013, 18:06
Except that Unkindness of Ravens is not a HH book :-)

oh yeah. so I guess we've only had 3 LE HH novellas.

shadowhawk2008
13-01-2013, 18:21
oh yeah. so I guess we've only had 3 LE HH novellas.

Plus the one that is coming out later this year.

Xisor
13-01-2013, 19:08
Thats why i think its crazy to let people who have not written anything of note(in my opinion a book for example) to make limited editions.

Flash, I'm not sure folks are actually addressing your concerns. And by folks, I include you in that. :p

To put things a little better:
- These releases aren't 'top notch from our best authors, get them right now!'
- They're specialised texts with the intent of appealing to people who like X.
- X is a big old icon from the games: e.g. Mephiston, Yarrick.

Whilst it'd be great if these were the best-ever ficciones by BL, I'm pretty sure they're not selling it as such. (Indeed, I'm still nursing my affrontedness after the shocker that was Promethean Sun. The Heresy is an allegedly elite-authors club: if your work isn't up to scratch, you won't be asked back. Aaron's the lucky one to have gotten in. Scanlon, Counter and Lee 'paid the price for their failure'.)

Indeed, BL don't seem to be ashamed at all (and in some respects: why should they be?) about the fact that they're pitching stories about sensational characters in these. That's their selling point. The author, new or old, famous or unknown, should be (and is) neither here nor there.

To that extent, BL are effectively immunising themselves from complaint: this is limited edition 'for the lulz', because they can make a special product for people who like these 'special characters'. If you're not especially enamoured with the topic - you're not the target audience and can console yourself by 'not getting in on the action' for it - if you're not target audience, you're not missing out.

In many respects, I think it's probably a relatively safe and robust plan. It's slightly disconnected from the fan-base (and I'm a big proponent of the idea that the BL could be harvesting from its fans in the manner that a beekeeper obtains honey: provide them with the best of what they actually want, they'll be happy, not sting you and give you more honey than they can themselves even contemplate a use for.) and, in that regard, more than a little saddening and mercenary, but I think of all their decisions this is one of their best for a money-spinner.

The big caveat, I suppose, is: is this author writing something that won't alienate the target audience? (This, arguably, is perhaps a mistake they made with Goto, for example.)

As long as the target audience is happy, and the money keeps coming in, they're not in danger. The problem, of course, is when they start souring unforeseen portions their audience with otherwise potentially money-making enterprises. I'd contend that the Limited Edition stuff was enough of a winner to be good (e.g. there's a suitably massive, usable market for massively marked up things that are 'nice and special'), it was also flawed enough to be a bit more hassle than it's worth. Avoiding the 'limited edition, super-special' hype to everyone, and instead focussing it only on people who actually want the specifics product...

Well, I think it's an intriguing decision. It certainly divorces itself from the overhyping of certain authors and the crushing weight of expectation.

If it works out, I'll be mighty impressed and, to be honest, very excited when they edge towards something that I'm the target audience for. (Fortunately, things like Ahriman: Exile and last year's Legion of the Damned are almost precisely designed to suit me. So I'm still quite chipper!)

DarkChaplain
22-01-2013, 22:03
Having read the first chapter of Chains of Golgotha, there's not a doubt in my mind that the novella is of stellar quality. David really managed to get the setting, Yarrick and even the danger Thraka represents to the Imperium across. This is gonna be a good ride for sure.

Not too keen on Mephiston, though. I'm sure I'd enjoy it, as I've enjoyed Eclipse of Hope and the way it was presented, but the pricetag dictates that I won't pick it up and hope that not the whole Lords of the Space Marines series will be released like that. No doubt David has done a fantastic job there as well, considering his consistently enjoyable and exciting stories (I'm looking at you, Evil Eye and Carrion Anthem!), but there's simply no way in hell I'd spend that much on a novella.

laudarkul
24-01-2013, 08:45
Having read the first chapter of Chains of Golgotha, there's not a doubt in my mind that the novella is of stellar quality. David really managed to get the setting, Yarrick and even the danger Thraka represents to the Imperium across. This is gonna be a good ride for sure..

Thank you very much for the info's. I think that I'll buy it...As for Mephiston, maybe I'll buy it and see what is about it (quality/feeling) to see if I'll continue it with LoSM...

DarkChaplain
11-02-2013, 00:41
Thank you very much for the info's. I think that I'll buy it...As for Mephiston, maybe I'll buy it and see what is about it (quality/feeling) to see if I'll continue it with LoSM...

Having finished Yarrick: Chains of Golgotha, I feel absolutely guilty about not having spent those.. 45€(?) for Mephiston. Absolutely brilliant novella.