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Grocklock
26-01-2013, 18:11
I must start by saying I only started because taking a serious look at my total amoung of GW product I own because wife found a space marine battleforce unwrapped, and asked the question i have never ever thought about.

"How meany armies do u have?"

After pulling out all the boxes in the games cuboard and digging around in my loft as well as my parents.

I have found:
1500 points of elder
2000 points of space marines
1000 points of dark angels
1500 points of space marines
3000 points of orks
1500 points of tau
2000 points of tyranids
4000 points of O&G
2000 points of empire
1500 points of lizardmen
1000 points of empire
1000 points of undead

So is there such a thing as too much

alextroy
26-01-2013, 18:21
"Too much is never enough."

Seriously, if the model is not painted or you do not play with it, it is probably too much.

Scaryscarymushroom
26-01-2013, 18:21
Yes. There is such a thing as too much. You should sell some. In fact, you should spare yourself the trouble of trying and just give it all to me. :p

:D

EDIT:
Seriously, if the model is not painted or you do not play with it, it is probably too much.

Uh oh. I better get rid of all my stuff then. :shifty: At the rate I've been going, I play 500 point games about once a year, and that's about it. And I've given up on ever painting some of it because I have such a large collection of unpainted stuff I'd rather work on.

Bergen Beerbelly
26-01-2013, 18:43
you don't even want to know how much I have.

you know the Epic Space Marine game? I've got every supplement for it and almost every miniature they ever made for that game. 20,000+ points each of Eldar, Orks, Tyranids, Blood Angels, Dark Angels, Ultramarines, Space Wolves, Imperial Fists, Squats, Chaos, and of course the Imperial Guard. Along with tons of titans.

For Fantasy I've got 10,000 + points of Orcs and Goblins, Dwarves, and Dark Elves, and two starter sets of High Elves.

For 40k I've got well over 30,000 points of Eldar and at least one Eldar Phantom Titan. A friend of mine just got rid of his Necrons because he wants to stick with Ultramarines and anything Imperial so I bought about $900.00 of Necrons from him for $218.00.

I've also got about 4,000 points of Space Wolves.

Then there is the giant Squat army I bought back in 1995. Not sure points wise but I've got tons of them.

I've got about 1000 points of Orks for Necron Allies and a very large collection of Dark Eldar that I haven't pointed out yet.

Sheesh!...guess it's time to quit collecting and start painting.

Lord Damocles
26-01-2013, 19:00
If you're still in a position to ask the question, it's not too much.

totgeboren
26-01-2013, 19:08
As a player of around 20 years, I say 'Yes, you have too much.'

If something is still in plastic wrap a week after purchase, you should return it, and if stuff is still unassembled a month after purchase, you shouldn't have bought it. If you have more unpainted units than you can remember just by thinking about it, you should seriously consider if you have an unhealthy behaviour in relation to our beloved plastic crack.

(I realise I just called something like 90% of those who visit warseer unhealthy addicts, but too much is too much, and there is better stuff people could do with that money, like drink beer or something, which is better than hoarding expensive plastic sprues imo.)

Ace Rimmer
26-01-2013, 19:23
I'd say too much is probably about 25% of what I have :P

I've got a few dozen unopened boxes, sometimes they go back and get traded for stuff for other projects, but for the most part they tend to breed. Thats why I've joined a group to build stuff and write a narrative for it each month to force myself to get some of my back-burner projects off the ground and sorted at last.

Starchild
26-01-2013, 19:27
@Grocklock: How did you seriously expect to finish building & painting all of that? :eyebrows:

warhammero
26-01-2013, 20:31
You need to put a limit. And a limit Is not about the amount of minis. For example i dont have an amazing collection but my personal limit Is not by anything until i finish to paint everything and i have to paint:

10 glade guards
24 wood elves archers
3 stalkers
20 space wolves marines
6 thunder wolf
Canis
2 Rune priest

My other things i have already painted but i have a lot to paint and not much time to do it (2 little girls and a lot of work)

Have a nice day

Grocklock
26-01-2013, 20:38
@Grocklock: How did you seriously expect to finish building & painting all of that? :eyebrows:

I should probably explain that I have been gaming for 19 years. so that is a long time to collect this collection.
Some of the armies where given to me when some of my friends stepped out of the hobby. 2 of the armies where eBay bundles, and a further 2 where left over when the club I ran closed doors.
The only ones which are not painted are the space marines

de Selby
26-01-2013, 20:44
As a player of around 20 years, I say 'Yes, you have too much.'

If something is still in plastic wrap a week after purchase, you should return it, and if stuff is still unassembled a month after purchase, you shouldn't have bought it. If you have more unpainted units than you can remember just by thinking about it, you should seriously consider if you have an unhealthy behaviour in relation to our beloved plastic crack.

(I realise I just called something like 90% of those who visit warseer unhealthy addicts, but too much is too much, and there is better stuff people could do with that money, like drink beer or something, which is better than hoarding expensive plastic sprues imo.)

I think this is a little too absolute. I generally have an army or two of unpainted stuff around the place; I often buy wodges of stuff and then take a while to get through it, or I temporarily lose interest and paint something else (it's nice to have options) or I pick up a bargain second hand and it goes on the pile for later. Sometimes I buy something nice and then keep it back as a treat. I run at about 90% painted but vitually everything I buy gets done eventually, even if it takes years.

I think it's too much if you know you're never going to paint all of it. Realistically, the collection in the OP might take me 5 years ish.

edit: hey, it mostly is painted. Unless you're sick of looking at it it's not too much.

totgeboren
26-01-2013, 20:50
I think this is a little too absolute. I generally have an army or two of unpainted stuff around the place; I often buy wodges of stuff and then take a while to get through it, or I temporarily lose interest and paint something else (it's nice to have options) or I pick up a bargain second hand and it goes on the pile for later. Sometimes I buy something nice and then keep it back as a treat. I run at about 90% painted but vitually everything I buy gets done eventually, even if it takes years.

edit: hey, it mostly is painted. Unless you're sick of looking at it it's not too much.

I think it's too much if you know you're never going to paint all of it. Realistically, the collection in the OP might take me 5 years ish.

Yeah, there are always excuses, some valid, some not. But I think most wargamers should stop and think about that there is a disorder called "hoarding". Things can get out of hand (it did that for me once at least). There are a lot of fun things you can do with your money, and having your wardrobe full of unopened boxes might not be the best way to optimise your life quality, so to speak. :)

underhivetrader
26-01-2013, 20:51
Would you say your more of a collector than a gamer? I would say I'm more of a collector than a gamer (I can go 6/8 months without playing a game but will paint and assemble at least once every week or two, often more but that's about the minimum.)

Because I define myself as a collector somehow the kit hoarding I partake in seems less of a big deal in my mind. I can highly recommend this mind set moving forward for anyone who feels x,y,z is too much.

omgadinosaur
26-01-2013, 21:10
When warhammer starts interfering with your personal life, then slow it down. Its better to have an unopened box of space marines then an unhappy wife/family/ husband/ whatever.

Grocklock
26-01-2013, 21:13
I was a gamer but such is life that I don't have the time to do it much, but I can always find time to paint. Therefore I love to collect models to paint.

dean
27-01-2013, 01:25
With a full Battle company plus
2/3rds of the Deathwing
2000 plus of Guard
1500 of Eldar
1000 of CSM

2500 of Empire
2500 of Dark Elves

You're fine as long as you are still playing them and painting. I just cant get anybody to bite on my WFB...

Kamin_Majere
27-01-2013, 10:20
Its never too much :p

No seriously once you can field an entire craftworld it becomes to much. At the height of my collection i could lay down about 70,000 points of Eldar. It was ridiculous really, but it was also fun. I played more than a few games of 50000 points a side where I would take on everyone at the store I played at/owned. It took forever and we never finished a single one of those games (even the one that ran for almost 42 hours) but it was a blast.

I got out of 40K in late 05 early 06 so during that gap in time I have sold/given away the vast majority of my army. I think I can barely put down 20,000 points and even that is insanely large by most peoples standards. More than likely i will keep enough to fill the FOC in any way I choose and then just give the rest away to kids that are looking at starting the game.

Though i'm still keeping my Phantom and Bright Stallion (being converted from 2 armor cast revenants) and super heavies and the like because even if i never play the game again they are great display pieces

AlphariusOmegon20
27-01-2013, 17:57
My wife asks that question all the time. She may have a point though, because with counting 3 blood bowl teams (Orcs, Skaven, and Humans), 3 BFG Fleets (Chaos, Imperial and Space Marines) , 2 Necromunda Gangs (Eschers and Arbites), a Mordheim band (Sisters of Sigmar), 13 WFB armies of 5K each (4 Chaos Daemon, 4 WoC, Beastmen, Dark Elves, O&G, Skaven, and VC), and 20 40K armies of 5K each ( 9 Chaos Marines, BA, DA, BT, Salamanders SM, DE, Steel Legion IG, Evil Sunz Orks, SW, Tau and Tyranids), for a total of 42 armies.

That doesn't count my 3 titans (2 Warhounds and a Reaver), and the rest of my Apoc stuff.

Edited to add WFB High Elf army, make that 43 armies, though that one is going to a new home before much longer.

Kijamon
27-01-2013, 18:14
Space Wolves, tyranids, orks, space wolves, imperial guard, death guard, nurgle daemons, space wolves, pre heresy world eaters and started pre heresy space wolves!

Far too much stuff, not a huge amount of it painted. I have however decreed that anything I owned on January 1st 2013 that isn't painted by December 31st 2013 will be getting sold.

Grimbad
27-01-2013, 18:39
...at least one Eldar Phantom Titan.

When you estimate how many titans you have?


Seriously, if the model is not painted or you do not play with it, it is probably too much.
That really depends on where your priorities with the hobby lie. Some people like converting or scratchbuilding more than they do painting or gaming. As far as I know, most modellers don't play wargames at all. There's an awful lot of tiny trains out there.

duffybear1988
27-01-2013, 19:43
As a player of around 20 years, I say 'Yes, you have too much.'

If something is still in plastic wrap a week after purchase, you should return it, and if stuff is still unassembled a month after purchase, you shouldn't have bought it. If you have more unpainted units than you can remember just by thinking about it, you should seriously consider if you have an unhealthy behaviour in relation to our beloved plastic crack.

(I realise I just called something like 90% of those who visit warseer unhealthy addicts, but too much is too much, and there is better stuff people could do with that money, like drink beer or something, which is better than hoarding expensive plastic sprues imo.)

Yup you're right.

I just had to move a wardrobe packed with boxes of warhammer stuff that's been stored for years, waiting for that rainy day that never comes.

I probably have 15000 points worth of gear for various armies that's unbuilt. Now I'm seriously considering flogging it all on here and on Ebay because I just don't have the time or enthusiasm that I had 10 years ago. Heck I'm still sat on a brand new box of imperial army plastic infantry from Rogue Trader in 1988!

The only good thing about having a clear out is you realise that these days if you sell it on Ebay you are probably going to make more than you paid due to the stupid price increases GW have every 6 months.

I think that 2 2000 point armies for 40k and for Fantasy are more than enough for me personally. Although I won't be chucking out my specialist games.

murgel2006
27-01-2013, 20:11
If I were true, I'd say I have too much. Simply because I can not sell anything.
I love fielding armies with mixed generation models.
And I have all my things tightly packed in big boxes, about 2 meters of stuff. But , hey I have my battletech Regiments from the 80's and why should I sell my 40k Stuff from the 80's?
Besides I hate to not be able to field something and I suffer for it, because FW is frankly to expensive most of the time....

Captain Crayon
27-01-2013, 21:33
When you are buying toys at a rate that far exceeds your time to play with them!

I stopped buying, more playing & painting! And now im actually getting somewhere :)

!

Shiodome
27-01-2013, 21:52
too much is always too much, this is self evident.

Beppo1234
27-01-2013, 23:12
I had a massive clear out a couple of years ago, before moving abroad. I too have been in the hobby since the early nineties. It was sad to see a lot of things go. But space is finite, and the hobby is infinite.

Now I got over my buying syndrome probably around the late 90s, but even by then, I had accumulated a disgusting amount of pewter, white metal and plastic. Two things helped me keep it under control. (1) not buying anything, until the last thing I bought had been built and fully painted. That keeps you from going out and doing impulse buys, and should in theory space out your purchases... making the hobby not as insanely expensive as it appears. (2) as nice as displaying is sometimes, I prefer to keep my minis boxed up in carry cases. This limits the amount of stuff I can buy for a given army (1 army per box, 2 sizes of GW box). It puts a cap on how much you can expand each army you own.

These two points have kept me limited, and kept everything organized and easy to put away. The biggest problem is tanks and terrain, which don't generally fit into carry cases, and if they do, they are a waste of carry case space.

all that being said, 'too much' is defined by your space, and how much of it you have to yourself.

Azazel
27-01-2013, 23:44
I horded armies back when I didn't have bills to pay. These days I am forced to sell my Warhammer if I want to buy new stuff. It doesn't bother me though, it is nice to have a clear out and actually finishing all the models you own is very rewarding.

GWs prices have risen so much since you probably bought your models, you might even get more money for them now than what you paid for them. I made over 700 selling the majority of my stuff, and I still have a 2000 point army left that I am slowly working on and adding too. 700 might not be much to some people but it is a lot to me, and will go to much better use than just sitting in a case under my bed.

alextroy
27-01-2013, 23:45
That really depends on where your priorities with the hobby lie. Some people like converting or scratchbuilding more than they do painting or gaming. As far as I know, most modellers don't play wargames at all. There's an awful lot of tiny trains out there.

A modeller who purchases models, but never assembles them is wasting time and money. The same is true for a wargame miniature purchaser. There are only two good reasons to purchase a wargame miniature:

1. You are a wargammer. In this case, you wasted your money if you don't assemble and play with the miniature.

2. Your a hobbyist. In this case, you wasted your money if you don't assemble and paint your miniature.

Converters can be either wargammers or hobbyist. Either way, IMHO there is no point and purchasing and converting or scratchbuilding a model and not either finishing the hobby project by painting it or putting the model on the battlefield for some good old gaming fun.

Grimbad
28-01-2013, 00:09
A modeller who purchases models, but never assembles them is wasting time and money.

Is not quite the same thing as


if the model is not painted or you do not play with it, it is probably too much.

but if it is what you intended to convey, then we agree.

Baaltor
28-01-2013, 00:57
Seriously, if the model is not painted or you do not play with it, it is probably too much.

I think your claim is right from your perspective, but I think it's a bit 2d. Feel it would be more correct to say such a thing through whatever analogue you enjoy this hobby. If you're in it for collection, having more than one of something may be too much, if you're a painter, and you have no forecastable time in which you will paint it, it's too much.

We're not all gamers.

alextroy
28-01-2013, 02:27
Exactly.

If your a hobbyist, but the model is sitting in a box, you don't need it.

If your a gamer and the model never hits the table, you don't need it.

If your a combination of both, one of the two needs to be true, or you don't need it.

mughi3
28-01-2013, 10:08
To much.....is when i never play it which is why i sold off my sisters, nids and tau as well as most of my dark angels. i now have just my DIY marine chapter which is small elite and mechanised. for other gaming variety i play other systems that are much more manageable as skirmish level games-less to buy/build/paint.

HereticHammer01
28-01-2013, 10:30
I think too much is only when you're buying them and not getting any pleasure from it: you buy it because you get shiny-syndrome when it comes out, then it never gets used for any purpose (even if its just sitting on your shelf looking good, it instead just stays in the box!)

Spider-pope
28-01-2013, 10:38
Too much is when your stack of unassembled mini's collapses and crushes your dog. Until then it's merely "quite a lot".

HBT
28-01-2013, 18:32
The only thing I've got left is my SM army, about 7500 points worth. I had a huge Empire Army and a small Wood Elf army on sprues that I knew I would never build, paint or play, so I gave them away.

Apart from a couple of Ravenwing Battleforces that I needed to build a White Scars bike army and Dark Vengeance, I've managed to stop myself buying anything new for quite a while.

As someone said earlier in the thread if you don't open it, build it and paint it then it's too much. Unless you're a serious collector who wants to have unopened boxes for posterity.

Chapters Unwritten
28-01-2013, 20:45
I find there is an interesting divide in folks on this game. As a club runner I have seen a lot of interesting characters but one that has always baffled me is "the collector."

The collector is a nice enough guy but he has a problem, because every time I see him he seems to have or is planning a new army, and he lives vicariously through talking about it.

We are talking about a person who pretty much never plays, and pretty much never reads the books, and by self admission hates painting and modeling.

But he still comes, week after week, talking about how he has 8000 points of this or his 12000 points of that.

A lot of the time, he brings his stuff in. Never the same stuff twice, of course. I got this one on ebay, he says.

Eventually it starts to dawn on me that the collector has more models in his possession than possibly the entire rest of my club. It also starts to dawn on me that this man hasn't got the foggiest about this game in any way shape or form.

For him, he gets to be a part of our group simply by having these pieces in his possession. He considers the point value and the names of the armies from the story to be some odd sort of social qualifier, the way a rich person might find a nice car more necessary for social status then some of the less fortunate. But over time, it starts to show that this character has not got the slightest idea what he has beyond a name of an army and a point value.

To me, and maybe it's a bit harsh, but after dealing with enough guys like this, it makes me act the total opposite. Some folks think I'm crazy as I throw models directly in the bin during mass sweeps of my own collection. It is limited to 2 armies, current pieces only, and one box of stowage. I have a small display case in my bedroom where the nicest of the stuff that doesn't get used in-game resides but ultimately I apply some of the same logic to my armies as I do to cleaning up. When cleaning I find something on the bottom of some pile of laundry or stuff or whatever, I usually throw it right away without a second thought; my GF asks why I threw it away and ultimately I say the same thing: "if it was on the bottom of this pile of crap I barely cared or knew I had it anyway." I do the same with my 40k models...to avoid becoming...a "collector" like my club has seen too many times. That's why when someone says, "I have X thousand points of Whatever Army" I secretly say to myself, "yeah, sure you do buddy." Having 20,000 points of an army you never played once with or painted or built at all, to me, basically means you got nothing.

The moral of this story? Don't get attached. Keep the stuff you like, send the rest on its way. Having a handful of large armies you have built to a presentable state is very different then having swaths of unfinished broken or even unstarted models tucked away in the closet. When you have that huge a swath of stuff, it is insurmountable and unlikely to ever be finished or used seriously. It's easy to get lost in the 41st millennium, after all.

arthurfallz
29-01-2013, 13:08
I find there is an interesting divide in folks on this game. As a club runner I have seen a lot of interesting characters but one that has always baffled me is "the collector." and rest of excellent post

I have seen people like this. My one friend borders on this constantly, though he at least plays the games (collecting them long after no one else is interested in playing it though). Excellent post, and food for thought. I've been looking over my absurd collection of general gaming materials, and your words have inspired me to do a sell off and purge.

What's the Tyler Durden line about your possessions owning you?

To the O/P. Yes, you may have too much. Or you might have the right amount. Do you have a proper place to store them all? Do you play with them? Do you know people you could get into the hobby by donating an army? These are all considerations.

Denny
29-01-2013, 13:44
I believe behavioural addiction is characterised by:

1. Repeated failures to control the behaviour;
2. continuation of the behaviour in spite of harmful consequences

If you swear to yourself that you won't buy anything for whatever reason, but end up buying stuff anyway, and/or your hobby is interfering with work/friends/family/health/relationships/finances, either due to the amount you spend or the amount of time/money you invest, you have a problem.

In other words, you have too much.

ChrisMurray
29-01-2013, 13:49
I would like to put the idea out there that perhaps you have too much stuff when you look at your pile of minis\boxes whatever and feel you need to ask the question.

5Pointer
29-01-2013, 14:06
This is so true. I've stopped buying minis and, other than bitz for specific modelling projects, I can't see myself buying any more for the foreseeable future.

It took a couple of false starts, but I've finally started to stick to it and I must say it has actually made me feel better about the hobby. I'm even looking at selling a few minis that I know I'll never get round to.

I guess you just have to identify your own level of balance and stick to it. But man does that require more willpower than you first think!!

Reasonable Commissar
29-01-2013, 14:15
You dont have anywhere near too much, it looks like a lot but the points amount of most of the armies isnt very high so you have several lots of small amounts.

Ive gotten stricter with projects now and will buy a bunch and try not to order anything else until Ive got it (or most of it) painted. I always have bits for some armies unpainted or needing to be redone from buying from ebay or from my skill increasing and not liking old models but I try to keep as much stuff painted as possible.

Although if I buy something and find out its **** in game I tend to leave it like my Tomb Blades and my Monolith I accidentally kicked as it was on the floor and have just left it unrepaired.

Chapters Unwritten
29-01-2013, 16:28
This is so true. I've stopped buying minis and, other than bitz for specific modelling projects, I can't see myself buying any more for the foreseeable future.

It took a couple of false starts, but I've finally started to stick to it and I must say it has actually made me feel better about the hobby. I'm even looking at selling a few minis that I know I'll never get round to.

I guess you just have to identify your own level of balance and stick to it. But man does that require more willpower than you first think!!It's tough. But that horror story I told earlier, that older guy who can't seem to control a damned thing about his buying and doesn't even get anything out of it anymore other than to show up at my club and feel like he's "part of the crowd"...I want to never let that possibility enter into my life. So me? Hell, I don't even seel them, I throw them out. If they are particularly nicely posed I will put them on a bottle cap base and spray them gold to make objectives for the club, and if they go with an army we are raffling off I will add my own pieces to it at no benefit to myself. Simply because I don't ever want to be staring at that mountain of 40k stuff. You can only play one army at a time and mastering many armies is equally unlikely; it was only once I perfected my Space Wolves at every point level that I even dared to dream about a new force.

When you have a million armies and pieces, it just cheapens your relationship with each of them. Till you get like that fellow at my club, who has no relationship with any of them.