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athamas
22-05-2006, 23:21
dont bother reading much of the first few pages, its alot of random madness Latest update Here (http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?p=843332#post843332) with some actuall progress... and soon to be pics..


any broken links can be found in this Album (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v126/athamas/Sons%20of%20corvinus) here







ok.. so i had another Stupid idear!

im going to make space marines..... from the ground up almost..

that is.. take the basics of a marine torso.. modify them.. cast them.. and make a marine force out of said force!

im then going to mount them on those slightly larger 30mm rounded bases that warmachine and the like use..


Im gona be going for lots of 'bling' on the model [sword, grenads, lots of equipment] who will all be bigger than normal marines.. and have egal back packs, drum fed bolters, errant armour shoulderpads, and the same heads as the new red scorpions, with a splash of BT iconography thrown in cos i have it


now you may ask why would i do something stupid like this?

well.. i have benn wanting to do a marine army for some time [started with my U marine dread] but wanted my own chapter...

and its exam season and i need something to distract mme from the fact i have revision & exams to do!

am i insane? more than likely!
how long will this prodject last? possibly for about .. 3 years..!
will updates be regular.. Hell no!

what rules will i be using...?

not sure need to work on that.. probably trus in your battle brothers and something else...

this is current idea for colour scheme!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v126/athamas/Corvinus.jpg

so.. coments.. :eyebrows:

MrInsomniac
23-05-2006, 00:17
Sounds absolutely fantastic. Plus any excuse to get away from revision is a bonus ( I've just bought a whole unit of beastmen to paint, rather than revise political thought ). I like the colour scheme a lot, though ive never been a fan of red bolters. I'm looking forward to seeing the progress you make.

Scorpio
23-05-2006, 00:44
This looks like a long haul. But I will be here the whole way!:D

-Scorpio

athamas
23-05-2006, 14:56
well i have done some work on the torso that will make up to majority of my army!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v126/athamas/IMG_3327.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v126/athamas/IMG_3328.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v126/athamas/IMG_3329.jpg

as can be seen the torso is that much bit bigger than normal, it still need to belt addingand some plates to either side of the main body one..

i have just neated up the bottom of the main plate so its square.. [looks rounded in the photo.. its not anymore!]

HiredSword.
23-05-2006, 15:37
wow, i'm really liking the size, hope the rest turns out this good.

Now you can say no, but could i suggest rethinking the colour scheme? The amount of black SM chapters is ridiculous. If they're going to be larger, more detailed and generally meaner then you want the colour scheme to be different as well imo. I'm not saying its a bad scheme, the colours work, just it wont really do your lovely conversions justice.

athamas
23-05-2006, 15:45
im thinking of going for abit more red.. as im intending on using the errant armour shoulder pads.. they can be half and half..[red/black or maybe black/bone]

im intending on painting the black simular to DV8's black, ie with alot blue-grey in it..

but ill keep that in mind.. i dont want 'another black army'

HiredSword.
23-05-2006, 15:49
well as long as you bear that in mind, thats cool. your army after all.

So do you know what army list you'll be using, or any fluff you've thought of?

athamas
24-05-2006, 12:23
im going for trust in your battle brothers... and im not sure..

not gona have any tanks or anything like that... pure infantry...

possibly thinking of basing them on vampires, so when the blood angel codex finaly gets redone they can be a sub chapter..


anyway..

PROGRESS!!!!! something alittle odd i know!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v126/athamas/IMG_3330.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v126/athamas/IMG_3333.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v126/athamas/IMG_3332.jpg

not sure if im gona convert slightly longer arms for them in the end..


the big problem is the legs...

im thinking of trying to make 1 set of ball joint legs, that i can then use for every marine.

its jsut how to go obout doing so... getting the feet should not be a problem.. as should the lower legs... as im planning on using the legs with the full length greves, and the thigh joint should fit in easily... its just the waist joint that a pain.. it shoult be possible.. its just gone be a pain to do... and involve hacking up at least 2 pairs of legs!

KayvaanShrike
24-05-2006, 14:48
Looking good, are the white bits the bits you have moulded and cast yourself? The drum fed bolter looks ace!!

immortal99
24-05-2006, 17:10
No, ;) They are converted parts Athamas has spayed white already. Looking good by the way. I hope your not casting anything? Remember what happened to Anvils Hammer's thread.

Cheatah
24-05-2006, 17:32
Sons of Corvinus... saw a little too much Underworld lately, Athamas?

(looking good btw)

athamas
24-05-2006, 17:59
@ Cheatah.... damn it you found me out :p.. yeah that where the name is half from.. and the armour mark...

@KayvaanShrike, immortal99 is correct.. they are um.. sprayed white...

not more discussion on said topic in this thread please.. there are other forums and pm's for that, ill get mods to remove offending posts!


anyway.. done abit of work on 1 side of the torso, adding the belt and some armour, its a bit messy in some places, this will be carved/filed down to be nice and smothe

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v126/athamas/IMG_3337.jpg

HiredSword.
24-05-2006, 18:27
looks good, but smooth out those line on the side of the torso, just add water to the surface and then use your sculpting tool to get smoother surfaces.

athamas
25-05-2006, 11:48
yeah, i got to it in time and managed to smooth out the sides, let it dry enoguh that smoothing was all i could do!


been working on the legs,

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v126/athamas/IMG_3338.jpg

i think i need to extend the greaves abit.. the second thigh is drying after i put a fingerprint on the first but of ribbing...

but i hope you can see what im aiming for... yes it will be a full set of multipart almost ball joint legs!



Edit: ouch thats a bad pic... ill try and get better ones soon,

also added the second side of the armour plates to the torso

ZAChos
25-05-2006, 13:25
A very interesting project. This is mainly so I subscribe, but I'll say keep up the good work, but It looks like you're almost done.

HiredSword.
25-05-2006, 18:49
wow, those legs look really poseable, excellent work.

athamas
25-05-2006, 21:08
a quick update..

mainly size comparison to normal marine..

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v126/athamas/IMG_3339.jpg

[had to use normal legs cos his arn't finished]

the torso is almost finished.. but i think i may need to leangthen the arms abit.. which then brings around the Q of do i try to ball joint them aswell to get more posability?

legs are coming along.. but i think im gona have to bult them out abit so they dont look to 'jony bravo' esk.. the problem is how.. [ill get thinking, but surgestions welcome!]

also does anyone know of bases that are mid way between the standerd 28mm ones and the larger 40mm ones..

im just thinking these guys are gona look alittle silly on noraml bases!

Lew_b81
25-05-2006, 22:53
For the leg question, you could try some ablative armour such as on the GK Terminators. I've seen it done on Power Armour and it works really well. That was regular sized legs as well, so it should look even better on these.
That's for the upper leg though, and it's probably at the lower leg where it looks small. For that, I'm not so sure.

For one Marine I made with larger proportions (same as you're using by the looks of it), the arms work better if you cut off the lower arm from one set and use it as an upper arm above the elbow pad, as Marines are missing them for a start, and for a bigger Marine it adds much needed length...... to the arms....

Ball joints would be okay if that's what you want, but I have a feeling that they'd need greenstuff in the gaps anyway, so you may as well stick with regular arms and cut them and greenstuff them as and when you need them.

As for the bases, there're no GW bases of that size. You'll want 32mm or something, right? Best thing to do is to just look around for them with other manufacturers.

athamas
25-05-2006, 23:24
oooo, i like that idea.. for the upper legs.. ill get on it now, as for the lower legs it might just be a case of bulking them out..

yes, im gona have to look around for different suppliers of bases.. figured that.. oh well

yeah, fixed arms would be far far easier.. so probabaly will do.. ill just have to make a couple of sets..

Scorpio
26-05-2006, 02:45
Looking real good Athamas:cool:

-Scorpio

tagsta
26-05-2006, 08:54
mk 4 absolutely rocks! is that a mold? hope that the GW-Sheriffs don't discover that thread ;)
I think that molds for private use are ok!

keep us updated

;)

athamas
26-05-2006, 10:40
brief update.. possibly not going to be ably to do much more today..

i have lengthend the arms, and started work on the thigh gaurds...

as it stands the only non converted pieces are the head and shoulder pads!

ZAChos
26-05-2006, 11:02
Make your own bases using GW flying bases and some basing material then replicate them in some crazy dark magic ritual.

athamas
26-05-2006, 14:43
@ZAChos: stolen!

the problem is i need to think of where i can set them.. as in what terain will they be fighting on.. my tau are city fight, the UM i kinda have WIP are swamp, so i want something different.. but still easy..

ZAChos
26-05-2006, 15:31
Desert? Ash wastes? Tomb World?

Cheatah
26-05-2006, 15:40
Lava world? Inside buildings? Snow?

Unique1
26-05-2006, 19:24
How about using Warmachine bases?

The marines are looking great, I find your half basecoated approach "Interesting"

Loving them so far.

athamas
29-05-2006, 02:24
i may try a warmachine base, will know once the marine is finished...

there will be no more updates till the 1st now as i real have to do revision

ExquisiteEvil
29-05-2006, 03:01
@ZAChos: stolen!

the problem is i need to think of where i can set them.. as in what terain will they be fighting on.. my tau are city fight, the UM i kinda have WIP are swamp, so i want something different.. but still easy..

space hulk....

lots of mesh/industrial steel feel ?

athamas
31-05-2006, 18:42
ok, so its not the first, but i have finnished the horrible maths exam [prt 1 was hell, part 2 was nice! should do ok overall and currently an set to go abroad next year! :D]

anyway, have not done much structuall work, but have been adding thigh pads and the torso is almost completly finnished!

the lower legs are the only realproblem gurrently, as 1 side is shorter than the other.. but i think i may be on the way to fixing that..

wil post pics as soon as GS is dry and i can place everything together!

athamas
01-06-2006, 12:26
Rite.. proper update time! :D


Why did people let me do this? i have created super marines!


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v126/athamas/IMG_3340.jpg

yeah, so they are gona be a mite on the large side! :D..... oh well.. scare the hell out of my opponant when my marines dwarf their troops.. probbaly a good idea i am only having drop pods as transports
here is my current Army list (http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37593), part of the problem is also the blue tack spacing everything... superglue takes up alot less space!

i need to neated up the left hand lower leg [in the pic], as i had to extend it abit, as it was shorter than the other side...

the right hand thigh needs the cabling adding to the back of the knee joint.. and the waist/groin needs the right side finishing off like the left, and the bottom 'tail' flap needs to be added...

here is a close up of the wais and legs
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v126/athamas/IMG_3341.jpg
it looks really grainy, but its not.. blame the blue tack and my camera not focusing properly


then i think i may be finnished! then its a case of finding all the extra stuff i want to add and casting a few magics to replicate them all!


Fluff for the army is being worked on... and should be done soon, as i need to get it out of my head so i can put physics revision in there... so possibly late tonight! probably in the storys/art pages..

Lew_b81
01-06-2006, 14:47
The extra armour works well (told you!), and the torso is lovely. However, I think the upper leg is a little too big. I think the greenstuffed bottom to it makes it too big, as the top is fine (especially after the grills are sculpted in).

athamas
01-06-2006, 16:28
Yes.. you were right!

good call!

part of that leg problem is the damn blue tack, it filled up the hole the ball bit at the end was supposed to inhabitit should be fairly easy to trim the ends if needed, but i'll carry on for now and get some pics with tack in a better place to show the proper length

ghost hunter
01-06-2006, 16:46
Athamas those marines are probably fluff wise the right size a marine shuold be because the normal ones are just imperial guard in chunky armour but i think you have made on eof the first proper marines

Lew_b81
03-06-2006, 16:35
part of that leg problem is the damn blue tack, it filled up the hole the ball bit at the end was supposed to inhabitit should be fairly easy to trim the ends if needed, but i'll carry on for now and get some pics with tack in a better place to show the proper length

I'll take your word for it then...
So long as you get posting pictures of the finished conversion!

*cracks whip*

athamas
03-06-2006, 21:43
ok, better pic of the leg, http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v126/athamas/IMG_3364.jpg

the thigh seen there is currently drying after a vent has been put in it where the old on was, the other is letting the ribbing on the back of the leg dry, and the groin joint has had the other side finnished so its just the back tail to be finnished and a few bits neatened up.. then im done..


and cracking the wip does not work if im revising.. i tend to ignore it!

Wintermute
04-06-2006, 10:35
Some advice

Making copies of GW (or other company's) minis for personal use is not recommended.

Why?

Becasue GW take a very negative attitude to this and will. at the very least, eject people from their events/stores if you take/use components or minis copied from their products.


Wintermute

Scorpio
04-06-2006, 15:54
Looking really good. Super marines eh? Awesome!

-Scorpio

athamas
06-06-2006, 19:42
@Wintermute.. well im sure ill live, and i i dont.. i blame someone else..

2 small pics of my pratting around with necromunds heads... they look really cool and about the right scale i think aswell!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v126/athamas/IMG_3365.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v126/athamas/IMG_3366.jpg

i know the leg is bent.. there was very little blue tack holding it to give a better pic, and it fel as i took the pic,, and im lazy...

Lew_b81
09-06-2006, 01:09
Nice to see some real proportioned heads there. The new Marine heads are a huge improvement, but still a little on the chunky side I think.

athamas
09-06-2006, 02:07
well im gona use that head for the librarian i think..


started to set up mould, results should be under a week away!


just have to sober up!

Cheatah
09-06-2006, 14:23
just have to sober up!

Never EVER sober up... oh wait... we're talking miniatures here... sober up dammit!!

Off Topic: We have a pact around here never to drink alcohol while doing anything that has to do with miniatures...

On Topic: the head looks nice...

Flea
09-06-2006, 14:51
Looks very good. Looking forward to seeing the final mini.

The Judge
09-06-2006, 19:58
Looks very nice indeed.

A friend of mine cast some stuff, then phoned GW and asked them to charge him for it. They made him pay weight charges, so a Terminator cost about thirty pence. Not bad at all, he reasoned. As long as you don't start trying to seel it... then they might hurt you.

athamas
10-06-2006, 00:30
hmmm interesting, may have to look into that...

the first half is setting now! finaly put all the pieces together in some clay...


yeah, alcohol + minitures is a very bad idea!

athamas
11-06-2006, 12:09
Holy Friken !%^!

it actually worked

in a distorted, 'i squised the mould' kinda way.. [i squead the mouls when it was setting.. and the preasure was not applied well to start with... but...]


It Worked.... and this guy is big!
final versions should be slichtly smaler once all the joints are the corrcet size and fit into each ther better!


I now present the first mock up of the sons of covinus!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v126/athamas/IMG_3367.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v126/athamas/IMG_3373.jpg

other pics

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v126/athamas/IMG_3367.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v126/athamas/IMG_3369.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v126/athamas/IMG_3370.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v126/athamas/IMG_3371.jpg

im going to re ink him so some of the ditail gomes out better,

yes this guy is curently clocking in at around 8 foot tall compared to an 5'6" gardsman... oh well!

Rabid Bunny 666
11-06-2006, 13:47
Nicely done, not too keen on the paint scheme though :D

athamas
11-06-2006, 16:50
yeah, well im going to use that guy to test paint schemes... hmmm blob time?


ok, could not resist doing this great pose..
this guy has a magnetic power fist arm and will be a vet sgt..

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v126/athamas/IMG_3375.jpg

what cant be quite seen is that he is striding

Cheatah
11-06-2006, 21:33
My 2 cents: the legs are too thin... being the brute that he is, he would have quite sturdy thighs, power armour added would give more thickness to the thighs... for now it looks like he doesn't have armor on his thighs :(

EDIT: 3x "thighs" in one sentence... very good :angel:

athamas
11-06-2006, 21:45
hmmm i see what you mean, but the legs are alot thicker front to back....

more pics soon

and that s also a reason for the thigh plates

Scorpio
12-06-2006, 03:12
These marines are going to kick butt.

-Scorpio

Orcdom
12-06-2006, 03:55
Still looking for bases here are 2 sets i have done:
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b152/orcdom/Terrain%20i%20have%20made/FlagstoneSet01.jpg
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b152/orcdom/Terrain%20i%20have%20made/DoubleDiamondPlateSet01.jpg
both were pretty easy and all are 1 cast from the same piece of silicone.
Steve

Unique1
12-06-2006, 06:40
i like them lots!!! although its frowned upon, its still gonna be a great army.

good luck in making a whole army of them!!

athamas
12-06-2006, 22:21
Test coolour scheme here..

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?p=744902#post744902


also, working on a librarian..

athamas
17-06-2006, 22:03
ok, done some more work, and bases i ordered are here!

still need to get another set of feet casted so thats gone get donw soon..

hence the plastic feet


i think the title would be 'go my little ones go!'

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v126/athamas/IMG_3386.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v126/athamas/IMG_3387.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v126/athamas/IMG_3388.jpg

sword and bolter will be held up by telekentics..

Lew_b81
18-06-2006, 00:39
I don't much like the open pose. It looks wrong somehow. It may be the lack of the shoulderpads though. It just looks a little too spindly. Where as the other Marine worked well.
I really like the colourscheme by the way. It's quite original and works well on them.

athamas
04-07-2006, 21:36
oh dear, its been ages since i updated..

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v126/athamas/IMG_3468.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v126/athamas/IMG_3467.jpg

well one more guy, regular jo this time, i should be doing more in the next few days, as well as making the mould for the feet abd a few extra bits...

BathTub
05-07-2006, 15:20
He's missing a portion of his arm isn't he?

athamas
05-07-2006, 16:32
if you mena his left are then yep, its been altered to be longer and more infitting,

more updates to follow this afternoon/evening!

athamas
05-07-2006, 23:33
ok, two group shots of the 3 guys that are basicly finished, i made the 2 on the left yesterday, and am getting better at everything, due to going home over the next few days, i doubt i will get many more made, but i am learning all the time,

first unit by the end of next week i expect!

as can be seen, these guys somewhat dwarf imperial gardsmen, [he just about comes up to the bottom of the shoulder pad]

lots of equipment and stuf on these guys, every one has at least 1 knife [running theme due to trust in you battle brothers, hopefully getting some sword soon for some more variation]

feet will be added soon ish.. just have to make the mould, which will be done once home!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v126/athamas/IMG_3473.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v126/athamas/IMG_3482.jpg

AventineCrusader
06-07-2006, 05:46
I like the addition of the diodes to the belt of the middle model. I might have to nick that idea. Those are some BIG marines...

Crusader:D

athamas
02-08-2006, 01:05
OMG... Updates... and proper ones this time...

and this time they have feet!

first the pics..

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v126/athamas/Sons%20of%20corvinus/IMG_3524.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v126/athamas/Sons%20of%20corvinus/IMG_3525.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v126/athamas/Sons%20of%20corvinus/IMG_3526.jpg



hopefully you can see the ditails there.....

anyway, there is a kill team mission on thursday, and i will be entering this lot.. to try and do some damadge.. [may trade the flamer for a plasma gun.. .]

so will be going for 6 guys with true grit, [108 pts]
Vet sgt with power fist.. [138]
and then a flamer [144]
the some other equipment.. if i can be arsed to convert it, i will also include a plasma gun.. [158] [taking cleanse and purify..]

so, how will i do? will i get 6 men painted if little over 30 hours?

and why do i feel the nneed to ask a nother silly Q ?


edit... i rememeber now..


should i add purity seals to these guys?

and if so where? i would be using the tin can a blob of GS and the ned of a drill method for making them.. which would mean i would have ess time to paint them but would make the look good [i dont mind turning up with only the under coats done if they look great model wize!]

also bigger pics added..

Eisenhorn
02-08-2006, 01:35
I toke the liberty to sharpen your img because i couldnt see any of the great details. Outstanding work realy:eek:

ps i hope you are not offend by me messing with your pic.:angel:

athamas
02-08-2006, 01:38
nah go for it.. what did you do? and ill aply it to the whole lot via photoshop..

i think the first one should be better now.. ill try to do more work in the morning,,.. i need sleep..

noneedforaname
02-08-2006, 08:10
One comment there are a couple of guys with there knees turned in which is a no no as far as balance goes.

Eisenhorn
02-08-2006, 08:41
high light mode and contrastes no magic:rolleyes:

athamas
02-08-2006, 10:09
One comment there are a couple of guys with there knees turned in which is a no no as far as balance goes.

that would be the second and third guys from the left.. im guessing.. they were the first 2 to be properly made from this unit and i was still learning how to allemle them properly..


any more thet get made should all be fine...

@Eisenhorn, thanks, it may distort the colours but you do see the ditails better..

ZAChos
02-08-2006, 13:09
I'd give them loincloths as they look a bit top heavy atm. Awesomely top heavy but top heavy none the less.

athamas
02-08-2006, 15:38
rite, bases done..

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v126/athamas/Sons%20of%20corvinus/IMG_3527.jpg

the marines are currently drying from being sprayed.. pics soon


ouch thats a over exposed pic.. will try to ge ta new one..

Mortare
02-08-2006, 16:47
The red on the bases looks a little streaky, and it may be the camera but those skulls seem very brite

athamas
02-08-2006, 16:57
yes the red is intentionally streaky, buit its a usless photo..

everything is alot darker and so the streaks look ok, and the skuls are a muted white...

cookiescrumble
02-08-2006, 17:56
The only thing i have noticed, that with respect to the body, the legs seem really slim.

athamas
02-08-2006, 20:30
yeah, i know but they are made now and im not going to change them..

@ZAChos, i was think of that, but time is against me..

a WIP shot of the vet.sgt.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v126/athamas/Sons%20of%20corvinus/DSCF0002.jpg

the red has come out very orangy, but you get the general idea.. and this pic

and due to it being a better camera this time ever minute inperfection is piced out..

anyway, the problem is the gun.. does it want to be red, or bone?

athamas
03-08-2006, 10:07
another update,

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v126/athamas/Sons%20of%20corvinus/IMG_3701.jpg

whole squad is getting there. bolt guns, flamer and heads are almost finished, still need to undercoast the plasma gun though..




edit to save double post..

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v126/athamas/Sons%20of%20corvinus/IMG_3702.jpg

as finished as they are going to be for now, about to go and play kill team with them

Althanan
29-09-2006, 05:39
Awesome work! My only complaint is that they look a touch frail, but they look far and away better than ANYTHING I could do :)

Again, excellent work. Can't wait to see more :)

Scorpio
02-10-2006, 21:42
Very very nice...As said about the legs they seem too thin but otherwise a quite terrific model. And i love the colors and the cool bolters.

-Scorpio