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Reaver_hive_tyrant
17-03-2013, 05:16
I am wondering what you guys think of these things, I personally think they are amazing both look wise and in game, they are near the Price of a Baneblade, with a 5++, are fast as hell, and are pretty scary in melee, what do you guys think?

Though I have been looking and I think that the hull point rules in 6th ed are too brutal on the super heavies now, man.
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CrownAxe
17-03-2013, 05:41
Its Apoc

Everything is sill fun in it

Fizzy
17-03-2013, 06:08
Meh I am more of a pre heresy guy these days. I prefer a Fellblade :)

Ozone
17-03-2013, 09:20
I've played several games with mine and it technically doesn't have a 5++. Would have been real handy to have. It's version of Daemonic doesn't give it the Daemon special rule, although I can see how you came to that conclusion and agree that it should have it. Pretty much comes down to an agreement with your opponent and house-ruling it.

Wish it did have it. Would have saved it so many humiliations. It almost never survives turn 1, and rarely makes its points back. It even gave First Blood (not that we allowed points for FB) in one game. Ideally, point it at enemy heavy vehicles and charge, or make good use of its good anti MEQ shooting.

BTW, yours is looking really good so far. Would personally go a bit more red, and make the red spots larger, but not too large like mine ended up (see sig). Somewhere in between the two. Keep it up!

sprugly
17-03-2013, 16:32
Cool, I love my scorpion! Great fun to use! Check out my superheavies blog if you wanna look at mine.

Sprugly

Reaver_hive_tyrant
17-03-2013, 19:16
I've played several games with mine and it technically doesn't have a 5++. Would have been real handy to have. It's version of Daemonic doesn't give it the Daemon special rule, although I can see how you came to that conclusion and agree that it should have it. Pretty much comes down to an agreement with your opponent and house-ruling it.

Wish it did have it. Would have saved it so many humiliations. It almost never survives turn 1, and rarely makes its points back. It even gave First Blood (not that we allowed points for FB) in one game. Ideally, point it at enemy heavy vehicles and charge, or make good use of its good anti MEQ shooting.

BTW, yours is looking really good so far. Would personally go a bit more red, and make the red spots larger, but not too large like mine ended up (see sig). Somewhere in between the two. Keep it up!

To be fair, I would be thinking of smaller scale Apoc games, and in our group I will be fighting things like Stoma's and Baneblades at most generally, (Maybe a Warhound or Thunderhawk rarely) I mean, if you are fighting 50,000 pts, and have larger superheavies targeting it with StrD of course it will die, but it's still the same toughness as a Baneblade, and with the 5++ which I think is easy to see should be included as it is a deamon, it seems to me this sucker could really do some damage in 4000 or even 5000 pt games. It would even mess up some larger super heavies if it outflanked to get close.

Ozone
17-03-2013, 22:21
I am talking 'small' games, sadly. Because it's such a perceived threat, it gets targetted by everything straight away. Most of the time all it does is get placed on the board, then taken off the board. And considering the time and effort I put into it, and the risk of transporting it, I may even drop it from my lower point apoc games. I'm not saying it can't be good, but it looks too dangerous for its own good. One game all it took was a drop-pod sternguard squad with meltas and it was toast. Largest game it has been in was 12K a side.

Ideally, I reckon I need to get something even bigger so it doesn't look quite so scary. lol

Made any more progress on it model wise?

Reaver_hive_tyrant
18-03-2013, 01:30
I am talking 'small' games, sadly. Because it's such a perceived threat, it gets targetted by everything straight away. Most of the time all it does is get placed on the board, then taken off the board. And considering the time and effort I put into it, and the risk of transporting it, I may even drop it from my lower point apoc games. I'm not saying it can't be good, but it looks too dangerous for its own good. One game all it took was a drop-pod sternguard squad with meltas and it was toast. Largest game it has been in was 12K a side.

Ideally, I reckon I need to get something even bigger so it doesn't look quite so scary. lol

Made any more progress on it model wise?


I'm just slowly starting the brass etching, I bought it painted like that, it is above my ability, so I am just trying to sort of finish up where the original painter left off.

Oh, and quick question, is a destroyed result still a structure point loss? I am finding the new damage table a bit confusing, as there isn't one, the Forge world FAQ seems to imply that the only way to take off a structure point is now an explodes result.

MajorWesJanson
18-03-2013, 08:46
I'm just slowly starting the brass etching, I bought it painted like that, it is above my ability, so I am just trying to sort of finish up where the original painter left off.

Oh, and quick question, is a destroyed result still a structure point loss? I am finding the new damage table a bit confusing, as there isn't one, the Forge world FAQ seems to imply that the only way to take off a structure point is now an explodes result.

From your other thread:


After reading the FW FAQ, this is my take on it:

Basically, ignore structure points and the old Superheavy damage chart. Use the vehicle damage chart in the BRB.

A superheavy vehicle has a number of hull points equal to 3x the printed structure points. If you roll an explodes result on the vehicle damage chart for a penetrating hit, it loses 3 additional structure points and then roll again on the chart (with no modifiers).

Immobilized now stacks, with the first only reducing the speed by half, the second immobilizing it.

Primary weapons have a 4+ save each to ignore crew shaken, crew stunned, and weapon destroyed results against that weapon, and ordnance shots from a superheavy do not make the other guns snapfire, they fire as normal.

Clear enough?

Killgore
18-03-2013, 09:48
How about keeping the Scorpion in reserve and use it as a counter attack unit when the inevitable Terminator deep strike assault lands near your objectives.... Just watch out for the explosion!

Mauler
18-03-2013, 12:45
Nice man, that thing is massive! I just thought they were like Tyranid/Maulerfiend sized!

Er...not much more to add. :P

DuskRaider
18-03-2013, 13:57
The Greater Brass Scorpion is a hoot to play on the table. I used to have two that I would throw down in Apoc games, they definitely make a mess of infantry and tanks alike. Just keep them away from Grey Knights. Also, I believe per the FW 6th Ed. updates, the Brass Scorpion DOES get a 5++. Could be wrong, but the other Daemon Engines do.

Ozendorph
18-03-2013, 17:13
The Brass Scorpion (and big brother, the Greater Brass Scorpion, that you have there) are fantastic. They are about as killy as you can imagine, and typically leave a huge, smoking crater when they die...hopefully taking a bunch of enemies and terrain with them :)

Just remember though, they are the candle that burns brightest and twice as fast. A Brass Scorpion is defying the odds if it makes it to turn 3.

Baaltor
18-03-2013, 20:16
I'm pretty sure there are rules against posting porn on here, Reaver. ;)

Reaver_hive_tyrant
18-03-2013, 20:43
I really can't wait to use this thing, and keeping it in reserve does seem like it may be the way to go in some games. Thanks for the complements and comments guys, I really do love this thing, I just hope that Apoc gets a real 6th ed update soon.

Rated_lexxx
18-03-2013, 21:06
Nice man, that thing is massive! I just thought they were like Tyranid/Maulerfiend sized!

Er...not much more to add. :P

whats funny it's smaller then I thought it would be

Reaver_hive_tyrant
18-03-2013, 21:54
whats funny it's smaller then I thought it would be


There always has to be one of those guys...

Rated_lexxx
19-03-2013, 13:31
There always has to be one of those guys...

Not trying to insult but I always thought the brass scorpion was bigger then it really is

sprugly
19-03-2013, 16:49
It's around 10 - 11 inches high and mine fits (just) on a 10inch base, the gun at the front and its "back end" hang over the edge of the base tho.

Sprugly