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carldooley
27-03-2013, 12:22
To me personally, Chaos is random, neither good nor particularly evil. You don't want to ask chaos for help on account that you are as likely to get shot in the face or ignored as helped out of your problem. As for the background, in the books the armies represented by Chaos (I'm looking at Souldrinkers) aren't all fallen.

Am I off, is there a better representation for Chaos?

Anima
27-03-2013, 12:34
Chaos is that nasty stuff from the warp that comes to the physical universe to make a mess and be generally bothersome.

Denny
27-03-2013, 15:33
Being a big Michael Moorcock I've always seen Chaos as beyond ideas such as good or evil. Chaos is no more 'Evil' than 'Law' is good.

In game terms Chaos is seen as 'evil' by most players, and GW does little to discourage this.

Orthodox
27-03-2013, 22:26
Chaos in this setting cannot be the same as in Moorcock's. Warhammer was, at least at one point, a creative effort by a couple of guys who had distinct ideas in their heads. They name Moorcock as an influence, and that indicates that they interacted with that concept and instead of buying into it completely, found a way of using it that was more personally compelling.

=Angel=
30-03-2013, 12:20
Chaos is the name given to the powers in the warp. It's called chaos because the warp wreaks chaos with the material world.
For example- the laws of physics don't apply as we understand them to warp matter or physical matter that is mutated by the warp.
This is the part of chaos that drives men insane- the impossibility of it all.
That said, the chaos gods and their servants follow an ordered heirarchy.
Gods>greater daemons>princes>lesser daemons.
In the material realm, sometimes it's not always the astartes who are the favoured ones.
Could just be an ascended cultist who leads a crusade- Sabbat worlds for example.

But chaos can be classified. Chaos isn't necessarily chaotic in it's military organisations.

TheDungen
30-03-2013, 17:59
the warp isnt chaos, chaos is what happens when the warp isn't in balance, to much negative emotion and to little positive. the imperium is a crapsack place to live thus the warp reflects this. its not evil only reflecting what you put into it.

=Angel=
30-03-2013, 18:15
the warp isnt chaos, chaos is what happens when the warp isn't in balance, to much negative emotion and to little positive. the imperium is a crapsack place to live thus the warp reflects this. its not evil only reflecting what you put into it.

I disagree. The background indicates that the gods are responsible for a lot of warp phenomena like storms etc.
Consider the 30k imperial truth. Disbelief in daemons didn't stop the chaos gods from acting on the material universe.
Yes the warp is a reflection of humanity and alien souls, but thru a twisted mirror. Lofty goals become convoluted schemes. Righteous anger becomes unchained rage. The hope and will to live becomes stagnant unlife. Pleasure and a sense of acheivement become pride, arrogance and excess.

Scribe of Khorne
30-03-2013, 18:20
Chaos is not random (chaos) its beyond mortal understanding. In game/universe, Chaos is the name given to the factions that are tied to the powers of the Warp, whether they are Gods, Xeno, or not is up to personal interpretation, even the Primarchs disagreed on it.

canucklhead
30-03-2013, 19:47
Chaos in the game universe is the antropomorphic embodiment of emotion. The warp is an adjacent dimension where emotion trumps physics. Mortal beings feed this with their emotions, and can fall prey to the lure of Daemons, taking those emotions to extremes.

A good soldier throws himself into the battle, fights hard and does not let up, but always follows orders and is content when the battle is over and he can return to his baracks for hot food and some furlough. When he succumbs to the lure of Khorne, the battle can never be over, orders mean nothing, there is only blood and the the voice of the Blood God screaming in his mind. If the enemy will not fight, he will find enemies somewhere else, among his own if he must, anything to sate the bloodlust.

A forest fire is not evil, but the people with homes in its path might have a different opinion. Chaos both loves and hates everything, including itself, and wants to watch it all burn in an orgy of excess. It is emotion without reason. We've all been there, so angry we later could hardly remember it clearly, tripping over our feet watching that Goddess with the red hair walk by, so close to our goals that there was a moment, however brief, that we thought about going over the line and getting what we wanted by cheating. In the 40K universe, these thought attract Daemons, and giving in to them leads to possession and the beginning of the end.

El_Machinae
01-04-2013, 09:21
The Warp contains the possibility of non-evil, and likely frequently does. Chaos, though, is a beast with momentum. Is it evil? Well, no, in the same way that cancer and forest fires are not evil. Its manifestation, though, is extremely likely to cause human misery. Chaos does try to spread, and those sentients trying to spread it too are likely best described as evil. By analogy, cancer isn't evil, but the corporate executives that covered up the dangers of smoking - for profit - can be describes as evil.