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plasticfrog
03-04-2013, 10:15
Hello,

I've put my Warhammer Empire on hold at the moment as I race to complete my Ground Zero Games "Crusty" army by May.

I originally got into this whole thing when a friend of mine conned me into playing a game of "Force on Force". For the uninitiated, FoF is a modern combat ruleset that is based (roughly) around platoon to company sized engagements. We really enjoyed it, and to be honest, I found the whole ruleset much more satisfying than GW-esque rules. The "reaction system" was really quite novel and I found it more fun than "I-go-you-go".

Then we found out that there was a science fiction version called "Tomorrow's War". Even better!

After a quick perusal of the miniatures on offer- 15mm is a whole new world! I was inspired by District 9- I wanted to see little prawns battling it out with near future humans in vicious firefights.

Unfortunately, my partner in crime has a short attention span and now he's off playing Netrunner Android and other board games. Whilst I have enormous piles of metal to get together.

That's ok.... I have found some solo-player rulesets (5150: Star Army) so I'll be able to happily blast away on my nights off.

Without further ado I'll present a few photos from my blog.

(I'll spare you my drivel- you can read that from my blog if you wish).

MY FIRST PRAWN
http://i1056.photobucket.com/albums/t377/plasticfrog811/Prawn%20Platoon/WIP/f2b96846-44a3-4501-b3b5-47b05de76b0c_zps60d22823.jpg

PRAWN PLATOON IN PROGRESS
http://i1056.photobucket.com/albums/t377/plasticfrog811/Prawn%20Platoon/WIP/4A13C845-54FF-4D49-B970-6CF68FD77945-2145-00000487BADDEE49_zps3a7aefbc.jpg

PRAWN SUPPORT WEAPONRY IN PROGRESS
http://i1056.photobucket.com/albums/t377/plasticfrog811/Prawn%20Platoon/WIP/856E78BA-5D92-4ADD-A5E9-6106488926A4-1583-0000018985F9A283_zps7428c853.jpg

plasticfrog
03-04-2013, 10:24
More pictures:

PRAWN PLATOON.... ALMOST... COMPLETE
http://i1056.photobucket.com/albums/t377/plasticfrog811/Prawn%20Platoon/Rifle%20Platoon/A749C1D2-704A-45DD-AB14-BB102316A6DD-6771-00000E02658D2E2E_zpsb4fb1dd7.jpg


PRAWN PLATOON: MSS
http://i1056.photobucket.com/albums/t377/plasticfrog811/Prawn%20Platoon/Rifle%20Platoon/D8E18A28-8563-49F7-B822-2ABC8EF1565A-2633-000002BF9EBD669C_zps1902a6d2.jpg


PRAWN PLATOON: one of three rifle sections
http://i1056.photobucket.com/albums/t377/plasticfrog811/Prawn%20Platoon/Rifle%20Platoon/DFD0A769-509D-4D44-85FE-11C12EBFACAB-6771-00000E028682BAA6_zps51a9848e.jpg


PRAWN RECON/ HEAVY SUPPORT: A WALKER

(Apologies to Biel-Tan).

http://i1056.photobucket.com/albums/t377/plasticfrog811/Prawn%20Platoon/Heavy%20Support/4FE864FB-4650-4481-9FF8-9F4B6A774682-527-000000E84A38FF94_zpse73b4a87.jpg

Ragsta
04-04-2013, 21:03
Totally awesome! I love the GZG stuff, and I really like these Prawns! Now I feel guilty for having some with my tea...

sigur
05-04-2013, 17:51
Aw, this is great stuff! Really nice figures and painting. Since around this time last year, I'm really taken with FoF/TW. I got TW myself, played a few games solo and it's really interesting. It took ages until I finally had wrapped my head around the reaction system but it's a very impressive set of rules. I especially like how these games feel like a real engagement and how you have to take care of casualties. Great to see other people playing the game and I'm very much looking forward to seeing some battle reports of your games. ;)

I also got 5150 but haven't had the chance to try it out yet but i'm somewhat familiar with Two Hour Wargames' basic rules mechanism so I think I should get into the game easily. I really love how all their systems seem to come with a campaign system built in and the 5150 one seems especially interesting, conjuring narratives or backgrounds by itself. For instance rolling up a sector your faction doesn't really care for much leads to a whole different feel than some sector which is crucial to the whole campaign.

Oh well, I'll keep an eye on this plog because it seems to be right up my alley. ;) Good stuff, keep it up!

plasticfrog
06-04-2013, 03:16
Thanks for the replies!

I'd be very interested in solo play TW as I enjoy the rule set. 5150 - I think- would be easier for solo play because of the tables dictating enemy reactions. The PEF system (potential enemy force counters that move around the board randomly) also add that element of surprise.

That being said, once I paint up some terrain I'll try out 5150 and write it up on my blog.

My second walker is almost complete so hopefully there'll be an update in the next 24hrs.

Caiphas Cain
06-04-2013, 04:14
Great work. Those little prawn minis are sweet and you've painted them really nicely. I have FoF, but not Tommorow's War. Sadly, my potential opponents are single system per genre players, so I don't know when I'd get a chance to use it.

plasticfrog
06-04-2013, 04:48
I'm tring to tempt my mate back into playing with the theory of: "build it and they shall come."

1. Develop two working opposing armies (prawns and some sci-fi near future Multi-National United- the human bad guys from District 9)
2. Develop some really nice looking terrain so it is visually stunning
3. Provide nibbles/ drinks and dice
4. Offer Internet fame....

I hope that it means that because there is absolutely no effort on his part, he'll rock up and give it a try. Get involved in the setting and maybe start playing regularly. (it was how I got hooked on FoF- his 15mm US army soldiers are superbly painted).

Grand plans.... One little step at a time I guess.

precinctomega
06-04-2013, 05:52
Tomorrow's War is certainly one of the best platoon+ SF systems out there, and supremely adaptable to any miniatures collection. I've had fun putting a handful of true scale 28mm 40k space marines against several squads of IG. The reactions are brutal, but the marines do seriously bloody damage. It's much more like a Black Library novel than playing regular 40k.

I'm not so into 15mm, I confess, although Clockwork Goblin's War Without End is definitely tempting me in that direction... I diff, however, finally see District 19 and I love your prawn-themed Crusties.

R.

sigur
06-04-2013, 17:51
@plasticfrog: Indeed, TW works solo and offers a certain amount of surprise for the solo player due to initiative rolls, fog of war and reaction tests but in general 5150 I'm sure will be the better solo experience simply because it's made for that. Anyhow, I definately suggest playing a game of TW solo if you're bored some time and lack any opponents. Worst thing that can happen is that you stumble across some esoteric little rules bits you missed out on on earlier games. ;)

Void Reaper
06-04-2013, 18:24
Great miniatures! I like how you painted the guns---I think I will shamelessly steal it when buy a Crusty platoon. I have a bunch of Khurasan Miniatures' stuff and a pile of Odzial Osmy's 15mm sci-fi stuff.

Tomorrow's War/Force on Force are great games (though, I admit, I play the reaction system slightly differently than they intend---I found out, through perusing their website, that I had been doing it "wrong", but decided I like my version better). I love how troop quality is the dominant factor. It's also nice that you can have a fun time with only 4 or 5 maneuver elements on each side, and a kitchen table provides plenty of room.

If you want cheap/easy terrain, I'd suggest paper terrain---there's lots of free shanties/shacks on various websites.

Like Sigur said, TW/FOF is totally fine solo (that's actually how I usually play it). Another tip about the rules: carefully read how Suppressing Fire, Intimidating Weapons, Morale Checks, and Confidence levels all interface with each other.

Great project!

plasticfrog
06-04-2013, 23:06
It's great hearing from you guys interested in FoF/ TW. I'll definitely re-read the Suppressing Fire rules and such. My games of FoF were vanilla style infantry on infantry- and we just shot the buggery out of each other- troop quality D8 vs. troop quality D6 makes a massive difference and suppression was usually not required. I definitely feel it will become very important when matched troop quality types engage.

Anyways- enough of my ramblings- we're all here for pictures!!

http://i1056.photobucket.com/albums/t377/plasticfrog811/Prawn%20Platoon/Heavy%20Support/28EADA03-C3E6-4538-B4F9-75D7EA4F2131-2593-000002EA9E79FA64_zpsbb3abb7a.jpg

And from another angle...

http://i1056.photobucket.com/albums/t377/plasticfrog811/Prawn%20Platoon/Heavy%20Support/72C17198-1B7F-4CE0-81D4-247107CCF71E-2593-000002EAB988575F_zpse72f477b.jpg

There's a bit more on my blog and some more random ramblings about painting him. (Link in my signature)

Thanks for reading- I'll challenge myself to do a few more things by week's end.

plasticfrog
06-04-2013, 23:14
Tomorrow's War is certainly one of the best platoon+ SF systems out there, and supremely adaptable to any miniatures collection. I've had fun putting a handful of true scale 28mm 40k space marines against several squads of IG. The reactions are brutal, but the marines do seriously bloody damage. It's much more like a Black Library novel than playing regular 40k.

I'm not so into 15mm, I confess, although Clockwork Goblin's War Without End is definitely tempting me in that direction... I diff, however, finally see District 19 and I love your prawn-themed Crusties.

R.

I wasn't that into 15mm either at first- in fact- I enjoy painting the walkers (who are ~30mm tall) more than the little guys.

The advantage 15mm confers is that it's cheap (and painting them is fast!)! OMG, after paying AU$90 for 3 demigriff knights and taking 8hrs plus per model, and then finding that the same amount nets me an entire platoon of prawns.... The downside is that the quality and detail of 15mm is not as high as 28mm. Not by a long shot. There is however great variety. So it's a trade off I admit.

Thanks for reading!

plasticfrog
10-04-2013, 13:14
Still plugging away... a WIP.

http://i1056.photobucket.com/albums/t377/plasticfrog811/Prawn%20Platoon/WIP/2F973F99-F76A-412C-8152-D06F3DD2F925-2593-0000030A2F992273_zps0423fcde.jpg

More ramblings in my blog as always (see link below).

Lithian
12-04-2013, 01:08
These are way cool! :D

For your regular troops, where did you get the circular bases? Are they 1/2"?

plasticfrog
28-04-2013, 11:56
Gee whiz- April was a tough month for Real Life! I wanted to get a few things sorted out and ready to roll but it would seem that the big RL one ups me every time.

Enough jibber-jabbering! You came for pictures!

http://i1056.photobucket.com/albums/t377/plasticfrog811/Prawn%20Platoon/Power%20Armour/null_zps17774047.jpg (http://s1056.photobucket.com/user/plasticfrog811/media/Prawn%20Platoon/Power%20Armour/null_zps17774047.jpg.html)

Power armoured Crusties!

The babble in my blog- see link in sig.

Thanks for reading!

Easy E
01-05-2013, 14:27
Nice plog. I'm glad you like TM and FoF, two of my favorite games.

I'm hoping to see some AAR in this log too!

plasticfrog
02-05-2013, 12:52
Thanks EasyE! I'm going to paint according to the OrBatts in the scenarios in the book now- so I can more quickly put an AAR onto the web.

Another power armoured fire team complete!

http://i1056.photobucket.com/albums/t377/plasticfrog811/Prawn%20Platoon/Power%20Armour/null_zps3759186a.jpg (http://s1056.photobucket.com/user/plasticfrog811/media/Prawn%20Platoon/Power%20Armour/null_zps3759186a.jpg.html)

More drivel on my blog as always (see link in sig).

plasticfrog
05-05-2013, 12:49
http://i1056.photobucket.com/albums/t377/plasticfrog811/Prawn%20Platoon/WIP/null_zps21f1a905.jpg (http://s1056.photobucket.com/user/plasticfrog811/media/Prawn%20Platoon/WIP/null_zps21f1a905.jpg.html)

Tank in progress.

What a pain to put together! Bloody prawns should use gorram tracks!!!

Easy E
06-05-2013, 17:29
Oooooh. Nice.

I'm looking forward to seeing that get finished up.

plasticfrog
08-05-2013, 13:59
http://i1056.photobucket.com/albums/t377/plasticfrog811/Prawn%20Platoon/Tanks/null_zpsc0e63408.jpg (http://s1056.photobucket.com/user/plasticfrog811/media/Prawn%20Platoon/Tanks/null_zpsc0e63408.jpg.html)

MBT complete. Sort of. Wondering if I should base it....

plasticfrog
12-05-2013, 05:38
The tank gets a friend. Never patrol alone.

http://i1056.photobucket.com/albums/t377/plasticfrog811/Prawn%20Platoon/Tanks/null_zps3f904409.jpg (http://s1056.photobucket.com/user/plasticfrog811/media/Prawn%20Platoon/Tanks/null_zps3f904409.jpg.html)

As always- more in the blog link below.

Ragsta
13-05-2013, 20:03
All the latest stuff is looking great, sir, I love those walkers and tanks. Personal opinion would be to base those bad boys - it always seems to boost a model's appeal. Plus it would give them some stability.

Any more walkers to come? ;)

Quaker
15-05-2013, 12:26
Nice use of extreme high lighting to make the models pop, I wish my own stuff was like this instead of being muddy. :/

plasticfrog
15-05-2013, 13:25
@ Jihad_Ragsta: Thanks for the encouragement. Yes, there are two more walkers to come- however they will look almost identical to the first two (limited weapon options and pose ability). And I agree, basing the models is the way to go. That'll be done in the next few weekends I hope.

@ Quaker: Extreme highlighting has worked out quite well for these guys. I've just tried (and failed miserably) in getting it to work on my 15mm humans. It just doesn't seem to work as well on non aliens. Perhaps I've been influenced too heavily by Flames of War (15mm WW2)- but humans and human vehicles with extreme highlighting look like ass. At least in my hands.

plasticfrog
19-05-2013, 12:17
Quick WIP:

http://i1056.photobucket.com/albums/t377/plasticfrog811/MNU%20Platoon/WIP/null_zps80615435-1.jpg (http://s1056.photobucket.com/user/plasticfrog811/media/MNU%20Platoon/WIP/null_zps80615435-1.jpg.html)

Human OpFor- MNU.

More in my blog see link below.

Thanks for reading!

Explodingboy
19-05-2013, 21:44
I like the look of those humans, I've seen a few reviews of the Armies army sets and I've been sorely tempted to grab a few. Currently though I have some Republic of Arden from GZG to keep me going for the time being.

The Crusties look really good too, the pictures you've put up have almost sold me on the PA suits that I've currently been avoiding (that and I'm putting them together as a low skill militia with high tech guns, so the PA doesn't fit the current mental scheme.)

Otherwise, keep up the good work.

plasticfrog
20-05-2013, 00:32
Thanks Explodingboy- the Armies Army guys look a bit stumpy to me.

That was my first impression- I don't know how well they rank up against the GZG miniatures or indeed other modern miniatures in terms of proportion. I plan to sit them next to a few other miniatures to get a height and proportion comparison.

They are however nice sculpts and in a group- they look alright.

plasticfrog
01-06-2013, 00:26
MNU!!!

http://i1056.photobucket.com/albums/t377/plasticfrog811/MNU%20Platoon/null_zpsb4f36e8d.jpg (http://s1056.photobucket.com/user/plasticfrog811/media/MNU%20Platoon/null_zpsb4f36e8d.jpg.html)

http://i1056.photobucket.com/albums/t377/plasticfrog811/MNU%20Platoon/null_zps5d0d6051.jpg (http://s1056.photobucket.com/user/plasticfrog811/media/MNU%20Platoon/null_zps5d0d6051.jpg.html)

http://i1056.photobucket.com/albums/t377/plasticfrog811/MNU%20Platoon/null_zps6d17518e.jpg (http://s1056.photobucket.com/user/plasticfrog811/media/MNU%20Platoon/null_zps6d17518e.jpg.html)

http://i1056.photobucket.com/albums/t377/plasticfrog811/MNU%20Platoon/null_zps35013d18.jpg (http://s1056.photobucket.com/user/plasticfrog811/media/MNU%20Platoon/null_zps35013d18.jpg.html)

http://i1056.photobucket.com/albums/t377/plasticfrog811/MNU%20Platoon/null_zpsf0de6f52.jpg (http://s1056.photobucket.com/user/plasticfrog811/media/MNU%20Platoon/null_zpsf0de6f52.jpg.html)

More as always in my blog (see link below).

Cheers
PF

plasticfrog
04-06-2013, 13:42
Finished another 5 RUSK soldiers tonight. And used Testors varnish on them- really excellent stuff!

Anyways- a quick shot of them on the workspace.

http://i1056.photobucket.com/albums/t377/plasticfrog811/MNU%20Platoon/null_zps8e17ecc2.jpg (http://s1056.photobucket.com/user/plasticfrog811/media/MNU%20Platoon/null_zps8e17ecc2.jpg.html)

plasticfrog
06-06-2013, 14:08
Tomorrow's War AAR....

http://i1056.photobucket.com/albums/t377/plasticfrog811/TW%20AAR/05jun13/null_zps345852cd.jpg (http://s1056.photobucket.com/user/plasticfrog811/media/TW%20AAR/05jun13/null_zps345852cd.jpg.html)

A screen shot.

See my blog for the full write up.

Easy E
06-06-2013, 20:39
Nice AAR. I would have enjoyed some close-ups as well.

plasticfrog
06-06-2013, 23:23
Nice AAR. I would have enjoyed some close-ups as well.

Agreed. It loses a bit of oomph without the close ups. I'll have to master the iPhone camera trickery to get decent close ups.

More to follow, soon!

Easy E
12-06-2013, 14:44
Out of curiosity, what TQ was each side. Were the Prawns d6 and the Mers d8? It felt like the Prawns were at a disadvantage for reacting and activating.

plasticfrog
12-06-2013, 23:35
Out of curiosity, what TQ was each side. Were the Prawns d6 and the Mers d8? It felt like the Prawns were at a disadvantage for reacting and activating.

That's correct- I think I've edited my original post for new readers.

The prawns were Troop Quality D6. The humans D8.

Unsurprisingly- in a straight out shooting match the prawns get annihilated (unless they get really lucky). Those 'undefendable' die rolls of 7 and 8 were a massive pain in the butt for the prawns. The catch for the humans is having the turn limit which forces them to make risky moves allowing the prawns to gang up.

In this case- the humans ignored the time limit and failed to achieve their mission.

plasticfrog
16-06-2013, 12:53
Another AAR this time using rules from the Two Hour Wargames: Star Army: 5150 ruleset.

http://i1056.photobucket.com/albums/t377/plasticfrog811/SA5150/15062013/null_zps78b1dfed.jpg (http://s1056.photobucket.com/user/plasticfrog811/media/SA5150/15062013/null_zps78b1dfed.jpg.html)

http://i1056.photobucket.com/albums/t377/plasticfrog811/SA5150/15062013/null_zpse8b0232c.jpg (http://s1056.photobucket.com/user/plasticfrog811/media/SA5150/15062013/null_zpse8b0232c.jpg.html)

Just a screen shot from the battle- a short sharp affair!

As always- more in my blog.

Easy E
19-06-2013, 14:29
So, how do you think Star Army compared to Tommorrow's War?

plasticfrog
20-06-2013, 12:40
So, how do you think Star Army compared to Tommorrow's War?

Hmmmm.

Anything I say has to take into account that I haven't played a huge number of games of either (a handful versus one). That being said....

*long thinking pause*

I- personally- prefer FoF/ TW (Force on Force/ Tomorrow's War) in terms of the tactical aspect of the game.

Things I find FoF superior to SA:5150:

1. Squad shooting mechanics are easy (everything adds up to 'firepower' die) and the Troop quality die type (D6 ranging to D12) gives a great feel for superior troops really getting a handle over their crappy enemies.

I found SA:5150 to be somewhat cumbersome in this regard- especially when it came to things like Light Support Weapons and Grenadiers who are organic to the fire team (I can forgive dedicated weapon teams such as anti-tank guided missiles or mortars etc). In SA:5150, support weapons seem to very much dedicated 'assets' rather than in-built squad members- which is supported by game mechanics of these weapons having different ranges, damages and effects. It's not a show stopper by any means! It just makes it a bit clunkier when rolling for 'hits' and then rolling for 'wounds' when one squad faces off with another. FoF/TW handles this much more elegantly.

2. The "Reaction Roll"- where you roll off against your opponent as to who gets their shots off first- is intuitive and also adds a dimension of the unknown to a firefight. I find this really refreshing after watching years of WH40K.

SA:5150 has the "in sight" test which is taken by the Unit (initiative or non initiative) which is stationary and sees an enemy move into view. Now I'll say here that my interpretation of the rules may not entirely be correct here! So if someone knows otherwise feel free to tell me! That being said- in my game of SA:5150, I found the passive unit (waiting for units to walk into it's field of view) usually shot first. In fact in my game- which btw I admit is n=1 - ALL "In sight" tests resulted in the passive unit opening up on the moving unit first. It irked me a little bit and I found myself tempted to do "Reaction Roll Offs" instead.

3. Gameplay with FoF/TW is generally pretty smooth at the platoon level precisely because models are treated as 'squads' rather than individuals.

SA:5150 seems to me to be based on individual models who happen to be in squads. For example- a "Star" in a squad behaves differently to his squad in terms of receiving fire and reacting to it. There are INDIVIDUAL rolls to things like "In Sight", "Man Down" and others. This is fine in squad on squad combat- but I found it getting a bit tedious even with my little skirmish.

As an aside, I suspect this is the case because Two Hour Wargames (the makers of SA:5150) derived their ruleset from All Things Zombie- a solo-play small band of survivors take on hordes of randomly generated and behaving zombies. The ruleset works REALLY WELL for ATZ. I mean REALLY WELL. If you've got a tonne of zombies and maybe 2 survivor models, give it a go, it's super fun!

4. Endless (seemingly!) Tables making it complicated!!!!

Ok, both of them are guilty of that! FoF/ TW has been criticised for being overly complex. Confidence is not Morale is not Supply is not Stress is not Troop Quality! Suppression isn't the same thing as Pinned, but if you actually pin them whilst they're suppressed something else happens. I actually agree! Complex! I've taken to ignoring some of the more esoteric aspects of FoF/ TW as I slowly wrap my head around it. However, once familiarisation starts setting in they actually make a bit of (common) sense.

In SA:5150- all this palaver is represented by lots of tables. Tables for reactions, tables for shooting "To Hit", tables for close combat modifiers, tables for actual melee, tables for PEF resolutions, tables for enemy movement and reactions. It was seemingly endless. It took me about 30 minutes (and consulting about 4 tables) before I could get my first campaign game into play (needing to roll for intel, aerial recon, weather, mission type, method of insertion etc).

I think once I get used to the tables, things'll get faster- but for now- constantly needing to refer to tables for results is a bit of a drag (especially when you have to do it for individual models in a unit!). I really thing familiarisation with the process and the tables will speed things up considerably, but for now... painful.


I hope that hasn't turned people off SA:5150 because there are some things that it does really well compared to FoF/ TW.

1. A great campaign style of mission settings!
SA:5150 makes getting a mission pretty straight forward (once you've sorted out the campaign stuff). You see how successful your last mission was, roll some D6 and you might be laughing or crying depending on what mission you get and how much help you get given.

2. PEFs
Potential Enemy Force counters that can range from Nothing- Just Nerves into a dug in enemy section with assets. I really enjoy the random aspect of them- they move around, resolve into anything and then once resolved- behave reasonably randomly (and mostly sensibly too!). Suddenly stumbling onto a large enemy presence with a patrolling fire team equals a very bad day for them and interesting/ varied tactical situations.

3. 'Cinematic Play'
SA:5150 is supposed to make the 'Star' the centrepiece of the game. The 'Star' has a fistful of helpful characteristics that really makes him carry the day. A bit too WH40K for me at times but I acknowledge that this is integral to the game and I'll be honest, I've enjoyed having a bit of "re-roll" power when my fire teams leap into combat (ha!).

4.Solo Play
THW make the best Solo play rules from my (admittedly) limited experience in non-GW game playing. It explains why there are so many bloody tables- because your enemy shouldn't have it's moves played by you. Well... maybe I take that back- the enemy could have it's moves made by you, but it wouldn't be the same experience because you know what they're trying to achieve and how do it. And I also suck at being objective during a game when I'm supposed to be one side.


So..... what's the too long, didn't read summary?

TW/FoF- realistic tactical play that is reasonably intuitive. However, needs another opponent to really make the best out of its ruleset.

SA:5150- a good beer and pretzels style game. Less 'tactical' and more clumsy. However, superb solo play section- probably the best solo play ruleset.

Overall: If you play on your own, I'd suggest SA:5150. TW/FoF falls on its bum doing this (and it's not designed for it). If you're lucky enough to have a regular gaming group i.e. an opponent- TW/ FoF is better for 'realistic' play.

Quaker
21-06-2013, 12:33
I think that is a good overview of 5150/Chain Reaction system. 5150/Chain Reaction is based around the player controlling the star and the rest of the models being heavily driven by the reaction system, instead of the player having hand-of-god control over all units as is more common. This naturally makes for a good solo system as the rules are already doing most of the decision making.

sigur
23-06-2013, 23:25
Love your blog. I'm a huge fan of the Tomorrow's War/FoF rulesets (and Two Hour Wargames' chain reaction rules too) so basically everything you post just makes me want to play either. ;) I do have the 5150 rules but haven't tried them. Only some solo testing of Chain Reaction and the beginning scenarios of a campaign of All Things Zombie but I think that you pretty much hit the nail on the head with your comparison.

I'm sure that after just one or two games of 5150 you'll be very familiar with the most important tables (In Sight, To-Hit, Wound) so that'll speed up by itself. Recently I had my first game of FoF (so far I only had solo games of TW) and I was really surprised how darned smooth the reaction system worked. It was a breeze, we only had to look up special things like how many dice exactly weapon teams grant and so on.

Anyway, I got a question about 5150 - what do you reckon is a good scale of game for this ruleset? "reinforced platoon", as with TW/FoF? More? Less?


By the way, I fully agree with you about the campaign system built into 5150. Only read it but it sounds very logical and like it's full of flavour.

plasticfrog
26-06-2013, 02:00
@ Quaker: it's good that I'm not the only to think that! When playing solo I can get stuck in my head with odd ideas.



.....

Anyway, I got a question about 5150 - what do you reckon is a good scale of game for this ruleset? "reinforced platoon", as with TW/FoF? More?
......

The THW makers think that 5150 can be upscaled to any size.

I think it works best with 2 - 3 squads (half platoon). Just in terms of the individual's tests that need to get rolled. FoF works well up to platoon plus size. I'll link a blog I read for FoF which is EXCELLENT- they have engagements that sit around that size but do go up to even 2 platoons worth. (They did note that the FoF rules did get stretched to the limit on that occasion- it was the airstrip battle with the crashed 737 half skidded off the runway).

http://bigfof.blogspot.com.au/2013/06/aar-i-thought-this-was-desert.html

There is apparently a new rule set being developed by THW (in the 5150 universe) that caters for much larger engagements- platoon and company plus size. To me, it seems that the developers recognize the size limitations of 5150 and are working to streamline it for bigger battles.

Easy E
28-06-2013, 18:22
Thanks for the link. That looks like a fun campaign they are having!

plasticfrog
03-07-2013, 14:15
@ EasyE: no worries. Enjoy reading those AARs- they're excellent!

More RUSK complete.

http://i1056.photobucket.com/albums/t377/plasticfrog811/MNU%20Platoon/null_zps1250ff82.jpg (http://s1056.photobucket.com/user/plasticfrog811/media/MNU%20Platoon/null_zps1250ff82.jpg.html)

http://i1056.photobucket.com/albums/t377/plasticfrog811/MNU%20Platoon/null_zpsf53c5b94.jpg (http://s1056.photobucket.com/user/plasticfrog811/media/MNU%20Platoon/null_zpsf53c5b94.jpg.html)

http://i1056.photobucket.com/albums/t377/plasticfrog811/MNU%20Platoon/null_zps6d0e82f6.jpg (http://s1056.photobucket.com/user/plasticfrog811/media/MNU%20Platoon/null_zps6d0e82f6.jpg.html)

http://i1056.photobucket.com/albums/t377/plasticfrog811/MNU%20Platoon/null_zps7a292253.jpg (http://s1056.photobucket.com/user/plasticfrog811/media/MNU%20Platoon/null_zps7a292253.jpg.html)

As always, more drivel on my blog (see link below).

plasticfrog
21-07-2013, 10:20
"Roach"
Infantry Fighting Vehicle for the Crusty "Prawns"

http://i1056.photobucket.com/albums/t377/plasticfrog811/Prawn%20Platoon/Tanks/null_zpscbdf8017.jpg (http://s1056.photobucket.com/user/plasticfrog811/media/Prawn%20Platoon/Tanks/null_zpscbdf8017.jpg.html)

As always, more talk on my blog (see link below).

plasticfrog
16-08-2013, 12:19
Very busy month at work so only a teeny bit of progress.

Something to help the humans of the PMCs against the prawns.

http://i1056.photobucket.com/albums/t377/plasticfrog811/MNU%20Platoon/WIP/991A6B55-6DDF-4EC9-813B-E973AC41EB31-664-000000E540CD339A_zps766ad5ea.jpg (http://s1056.photobucket.com/user/plasticfrog811/media/MNU%20Platoon/WIP/991A6B55-6DDF-4EC9-813B-E973AC41EB31-664-000000E540CD339A_zps766ad5ea.jpg.html)

More in my blog as always. Happy gaming!

plasticfrog
31-08-2013, 06:41
T-90 Complete

http://i1056.photobucket.com/albums/t377/plasticfrog811/MNU%20Platoon/203C6000-56EB-4A50-8D49-1D7E8693E478-2258-0000028E8B820284_zps01de64d1.jpg (http://s1056.photobucket.com/user/plasticfrog811/media/MNU%20Platoon/203C6000-56EB-4A50-8D49-1D7E8693E478-2258-0000028E8B820284_zps01de64d1.jpg.html)

More in my blog as always (see link in signature).

Happy Gaming!

plasticfrog
01-09-2013, 12:35
You want tanks? We've got more tanks!!! Muahahahahahah.

http://i1056.photobucket.com/albums/t377/plasticfrog811/MNU%20Platoon/5B197A04-B55C-4F92-9093-64ED523C0AD6-2786-000002D376DC0C29_zpsd89ea31d.jpg (http://s1056.photobucket.com/user/plasticfrog811/media/MNU%20Platoon/5B197A04-B55C-4F92-9093-64ED523C0AD6-2786-000002D376DC0C29_zpsd89ea31d.jpg.html)

More in my blog as always (see link in sig).

I'm going to play a bit more now, instead of painting. It'll give me some more motivation to paint. That balance between painting/ modelling versus playing is *not* very equal right now.

dijit80
17-09-2013, 18:25
Nice stuff! Always nice seeing well painted 15mm stuff.

plasticfrog
20-09-2013, 13:27
@ dijit80: Thanks! I'm really enjoying painting 15mm- I think it shows.

Sadly gaming has taken a back seat for now. One of my best mates- an avid gaming buddy- has gotten married and has- *gasp*- handed over his 15mm miniatures to me.

I guess it's time to find a proper gaming group now.....

... I was like *wow*.

I don't think I could part even with my crappily painted and broken Epic miniatures from the days of Titan Legions. Just the thought of it makes me all choked up and anxious.

Anyways- enough! Moaarrrr painting to follow!!!

plasticfrog
21-09-2013, 06:26
I know this is starting to look like Force on Force (modern wargaming)- but bear with me!

MNU gets their rides!

http://i1056.photobucket.com/albums/t377/plasticfrog811/MNU%20Platoon/AB8E1250-2473-4265-A0DA-DBD39A2813BE-3442-0000047981666071_zpsc3f23ae1.jpg (http://s1056.photobucket.com/user/plasticfrog811/media/MNU%20Platoon/AB8E1250-2473-4265-A0DA-DBD39A2813BE-3442-0000047981666071_zpsc3f23ae1.jpg.html)


http://i1056.photobucket.com/albums/t377/plasticfrog811/MNU%20Platoon/462C87E8-0818-4F7E-A1CD-968396CA7622-3442-0000047977883A02_zps5aa27ddf.jpg (http://s1056.photobucket.com/user/plasticfrog811/media/MNU%20Platoon/462C87E8-0818-4F7E-A1CD-968396CA7622-3442-0000047977883A02_zps5aa27ddf.jpg.html)

I really like these 15mm APCs- easy to put together, well detailed, accurate and a joy to paint.

More as always in my blog (see sig below).

Happy gaming everyone!

Ragsta
22-09-2013, 10:59
Wow, your buddy gets married and has to give up his toys? That's pretty tough. My girlfriend is pretty cool with my hobby though - I have a single corner of the house filled with my manly goods haha! Any chance of posting a pic of the stuff you got?

The T90s are gorgeous, great job painting those. Are the BTRs from Khurusan? Looking forward to more stuff from you, fella - I also drop in on your blog :)

plasticfrog
22-09-2013, 22:43
Wow, your buddy gets married and has to give up his toys? That's pretty tough. My girlfriend is pretty cool with my hobby though - I have a single corner of the house filled with my manly goods haha! Any chance of posting a pic of the stuff you got?

The T90s are gorgeous, great job painting those. Are the BTRs from Khurusan? Looking forward to more stuff from you, fella - I also drop in on your blog :)

He gave up his 15mm toys. He is keeping his 28mm stuff- and is slowly working on his Infinity figures. They've moved into a flat so they're tight on space. Still, I found it very sad.

The BTRs are made by Zvezda and sold by The Plastic Soldier company: http://theplasticsoldiercompany.co.uk

Khurasan are going to make their own BTR-80s (they've just released a "BTR-3000" for the science fiction range in 15mm so I suspect the modern BTR is just around the corner).

Re: T-90s- thanks! I have to say, having a fantastic model to begin with makes painting it to standard much easier.

Thanks for reading- it really keeps me motivated with my blog!

Caiphas Cain
22-09-2013, 22:49
Nice work on those APCs. Did you use an oil wash or an acrylic one on them?

plasticfrog
23-09-2013, 23:47
Nice work on those APCs. Did you use an oil wash or an acrylic one on them?

Thanks!

The washes I think are acrylic.

The washes were:

Citadel athonian camoshade for the green
ArmyPainter Strong tone for the ivory

Hope this helps.

Edit: and I laid it on thick....

plasticfrog
24-09-2013, 07:26
Battle report time!

http://i1056.photobucket.com/albums/t377/plasticfrog811/SA5150/23092013/CF61BE8A-1113-47C8-8376-BC6016A574A7-4547-00000705D58856A5_zps5101a962.jpg (http://s1056.photobucket.com/user/plasticfrog811/media/SA5150/23092013/CF61BE8A-1113-47C8-8376-BC6016A574A7-4547-00000705D58856A5_zps5101a962.jpg.html)

To read: http://beholdtheomega.blogspot.com.au/2013/09/sa5150-aar-platoon-attack.html

Or click on my blog link below and click the "AAR" label.

Happy gaming!

harthag12
25-09-2013, 14:40
Just stumbled on this, thread, love 15mm sci-fi and the good paint jobs. Besides Tomorrows wars & 5150 both of which I own / haven't played you might want to check out Gruntz which I own / haven't played, it looks like a good set of rules though I'm in a similiar situation as to having to Solo play and it might not be the best for that. It is pretty cheap however to download. Also take a look at Rebel mini's, good 15mm sci-fi, cheap shipping, made a few orders and great service. Rebel & Khurasan make up most of my 15mm forces. Looking forward to actually reading your blog, will motivate me to get painting.

Oh your bases are pretty thick for 15mm figures so in that case i'd definatly base those vehicles so they stay in proportion, just a random thought.

Easy E
25-09-2013, 19:45
Just hold onto his 15mm stuff until he realizes that no woman can love him the way little toy army men can. :)

dijit80
26-09-2013, 08:06
Looks like a good game and nice to see good terrain, minis and game altogether!

plasticfrog
26-09-2013, 12:16
Just stumbled on this, thread, love 15mm sci-fi and the good paint jobs. Besides Tomorrows wars & 5150 both of which I own / haven't played you might want to check out Gruntz which I own / haven't played, it looks like a good set of rules though I'm in a similiar situation as to having to Solo play and it might not be the best for that. It is pretty cheap however to download. Also take a look at Rebel mini's, good 15mm sci-fi, cheap shipping, made a few orders and great service. Rebel & Khurasan make up most of my 15mm forces. Looking forward to actually reading your blog, will motivate me to get painting.

Oh your bases are pretty thick for 15mm figures so in that case i'd definatly base those vehicles so they stay in proportion, just a random thought.

I've thought about Gruntz- and it seems pretty good from what I can see from the youtube playthroughs. My only gripe- admittedly I am a totally uninitiated observer- is that there is a card based system for keeping track of vehicle damage. It's a bit fiddly for my liking. I'll have to give it a go in the future, but Force on Force (Tomorrow's War) mechanics are really appealing to me.

I love Rebel Minis- I have a ZAS mercenary clone army (with tanks and IFVs) sitting in boxes. They are on my to do list once the Prawn army is complete.


@ EasyE: Yeah I know. Hahahaha. I'll have to showcase my mate's 15mm soldiers (from Rebel Minis btw). They're really excellent.

@ dijit80: Cheers mate! I'm heavily inspired by Flames of War battle reports on WWPD. Superb reading (and I'm not a FoW fan) just because of good painted minis, great terrain and... oddly enough... awesome counters (sponsored by Litko).

The painting war continues!