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Grndhog89
08-04-2013, 15:12
I was reading the W40k lexicanum entry on Cadia for fun and read this excerpt; "Cadian Society is heavily militarized, with 71.75% of its total population under arms, and a birth rate equal to the recruitment rate."

This just got me thinking that in order to maintain such a birth rate you must have to have a disproportionate amount of females (remember; one male can impregnate multiple females, so you can have less males). Any mention about Cadia or other heavily militarized worlds protecting the female citizenry to a greater degree or doing something to make sure those who can bear children are better accommodated for in day to day life?

I ask that question because while it is the 41st millenium this is also the backwards Imperium. So that means they are probably averse to cloning technology and prefer to go about obtaining new recruits (read: children to be trained into soldiers) via the natural method.

Also as a disclaimer: I am not intending to be sexist or pejorative in any way towards either gender. It just seems that in order to keep as many soldiers as they need the respective military worlds need to protect/encourage more females because the Imperium is so averse to technology. So please think of this as a logistical and policy oriented question.

Grimbad
08-04-2013, 15:49
I was reading the W40k lexicanum entry on Cadia for fun and read this excerpt; "Cadian Society is heavily militarized, with 71.75% of its total population under arms, and a birth rate equal to the recruitment rate."

This just got me thinking that in order to maintain such a birth rate you must have to have a disproportionate amount of females (remember; one male can impregnate multiple females, so you can have less males). Any mention about Cadia or other heavily militarized worlds protecting the female citizenry to a greater degree or doing something to make sure those who can bear children are better accommodated for in day to day life?

I can't see anything that sentence that necessitates a disproportionate amount of females. It just says everyone on Cadia is in the military and about 70% of them are on duty at any given time. This appears to be talking about the actual Cadian population, rather than the Cadian regiments abroad - that is, it isn't saying that 70% of Cadians are always on the way to terrible Imperial Guard deaths, only that they're in the army.

Reasonable Commissar
08-04-2013, 16:59
Basically just saying that everyone born on Cadia is recruited to the military.

BooTMGSG
08-04-2013, 18:36
For some reason the wise words of Zapp Brannigan popped into my head,

"Zapp: Hmm. 198 billion babies in a few weeks. We'll need an army of super-virile men scoring round the clock! I'll do my part. Kif, clear my schedule."

Well Guardsmen don't grown on trees.

Grndhog89
08-04-2013, 18:43
Exactly why I'm asking about any logistics/policies as far as women are concerned. Remember the Imperium's #1 currency is lives. So isn't that which generates said lives of the utmost importance? Or should be?

Sai-Lauren
08-04-2013, 19:59
This just got me thinking that in order to maintain such a birth rate you must have to have a disproportionate amount of females (remember; one male can impregnate multiple females, so you can have less males). Any mention about Cadia or other heavily militarized worlds protecting the female citizenry to a greater degree or doing something to make sure those who can bear children are better accommodated for in day to day life?

I ask that question because while it is the 41st millenium this is also the backwards Imperium. So that means they are probably averse to cloning technology and prefer to go about obtaining new recruits (read: children to be trained into soldiers) via the natural method.


The Imperium isn't backwards, it merely does what it thinks it needs to in order to survive. If that means doing things that even it finds distasteful, well, that's more reason to hate the alien, the mutant and the heretic.

Some worlds might have the women as an underclass, fit only for giving birth to the next generation of soldiers, with no rights. Others might have them as the ruling class, where the men are produced simply to defend the matriarch and her daughters. Others may well be more egalitarian - IMO (and as I've mentioned many times before), Cadian women may well fill out the crews of armoured regiments, due to their generally smaller frames making them better suited for operating in a very cramped environment, and the only citizens who don't serve in the military, even as a local militia, are those who're physically incapable, whilst a world like Kreig (also as I've mentioned before) may remove the gonads from anyone leaving the world, rendering all their regiments effectively genderless drones.

And pretty much everything in between... :)

JWhex
08-04-2013, 20:50
There is little point in trying to make most 40k statistics fit any model that is realistic or even internally consistent with the setting. 40k is full of crazy numbers that are so far over the top it kind of detracts from the setting. It takes many people to provide the logistic support of a single soldier in the military, that is why the US contracts out so much labor on its bases, even in theatre.

FashaTheDog
09-04-2013, 00:50
Krieg has been noted to use cloning and a non-described process called vitae-womb birthing (I imagine it to be something like axlotl tanks from Dune, but that is pure speculation) which is frowned upon but used out of necessity to keep the production of soldiers up. It does say that they get a specific exemption on the ban on this because the Munitorium desires Death Korps regiments, but as to Cadia using similar I have not seen any references to it.

Now conscripting an entire population into a military and issuing weapons to 71% of them does not mean that all of the armed members fight or are even expected to fight as it could simply be a means of ordering a society as if there are no civilians so paperwork for infractions and violations of law is much simpler. Also note that Cadia is kind of sitting right in front of every major Chaos Marine assault from the Eye of Terror, so arming as much of your logistic support as is sensible is rather prudent precaution. By setting up the world as a giant military base with all planetary support and menial tasks are just handled by military personnel, including the 29% that do not get a weapon, a layer of bureaucracy is removed and instilling order when they are invaded is a bit easier as everyone already is accustomed to being a soldier (none of that "get those civies out of here" nonsense for Cadia). I could also very well see Cadians with a specialist rank of breeder, under orders to make little Cadians, not being issued a weapon, as per say.

Spetulhu
09-04-2013, 07:34
I was reading the W40k lexicanum entry on Cadia for fun and read this excerpt; "Cadian Society is heavily militarized, with 71.75% of its total population under arms, and a birth rate equal to the recruitment rate." This just got me thinking that in order to maintain such a birth rate you must have to have a disproportionate amount of females.

Nah, they just placed the words a bit backwards. They don't look at last year's recruitment figures and command that many new babies be made, but everyone born on Cadia is recruited. An incredible number carry a weapon in their day-to-day duties. I'd imagine the % not under arms is made up of small children, pregnant women and those too elderly to help out anymore.