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Isambard
09-05-2013, 10:12
So, if the rumours are to be believed we have a new Eldar codex only a few weeks away. At this point there have been very few solid rumours; all that is known for sure is that there is a plastic Farseer model; everything else is speculation, wish-listing and rumours steeped in Sodium Chloride.

With this in mind I propose we case our own runes and make predictions about what we THINK will be in the new codex. I invite everyone to make 10 predictions, you will score one point for every one that comes true and half a point for everyone that is partially true. Predictions can include previous rumours, if you choose to believe them. Whomever scores the most points will be crowned boss Farseer until the NEXT Eldar Codex comes round.

If you want to explain the reasoning behind your predictions, feel free.

And remember, everything in this thread comes from casting of runes, this is NOT a rumour thread.

1) There will be a psychic card deck for Eldar with 2 sets of powers; Farseer and Warlock.
2) Eldar psykers can choose their powers, they don't need to roll.
3) Farseers will be level 2 psykers and can be upgraded to level 3.

These are just based on intuition.

4) Certain HQ choices will unlock, to a degree, aspect warriors as troops.
There has been a rumour of this, but it also something I REALLY want to see.

5) Larger Wraithlord like kit (wraith-knight), different slot than Wraithlord.
All the new books seem to be getting a big cool thing. I am guessing elite, like the Riptide, as not to conflict with Heavy slots (so people can get and use ALL the new kits).

6) Dual build flyer kit.
7) Fighter build is fast attack and Ground Attack is Heavy Support.
All the new armies are getting flyers (except Daemons...). By putting them in different slots you can use, and buy, more.

8) New HQ choice, Guardian based.
9) Finecast sprue of guardian upgrades, including ccw, special weapons and some power weapons.
10) New heavy support tank, anti-aircraft.

OK, these are my 10; what do you think is going to happen?

Thought of another 10)

11) Wraithlord/knight/guard will all be available in different slots (maybe with HQ choices). Maximise the use of new kits!
12) Wraith units will share a set of USRs containing at least 2 of; fearless, FNP, Eternal Warrior and It Will Not Die.
13) Wraithknight can take max 3 weapons, 2 shooty and 1 ccw or other way round.

14) Eldar Heavy Weapons either get cheaper or better.
15) Guardian shuriken catapults get a range boost.
16) Dark Reapers get some anti-aircraft ability (possible the ignoring cover for moving fast rule as well).
17) There will be at least one new platform that uses the D-Cannon (they gotta get more love!)
18) Holofields will give Shrouded. As will Conceal.
19) Out on a limb here; Runes of Warding will state that all "non-Eldar psykers must..." meaning if you take an allied Farseer for psychic defense it might mess up your own psykers.
20) Wave Serpents will either be much cheaper or assault vehicles.

daveNYC
09-05-2013, 12:10
1) There will be an Autarch psyker power table (and Warlock and Farseer).
2) Autarchs will be ML1 upgradeable to 2
3) Individual stat lines for the Phoenix Lords
4) They'll get a webway portal option similar to what DE have.
5) They'll get two flyers (really going out on a limb with that one), I'll go crazy though and say the ground attack one will have a D weapon.
6) CC Wraithlord (like more CC than the current one can be.
7) HQ that allows FOC shenanigans for Wraith and jetbike units.
8) AA support weapon platform for Guardian squads.
9) Aspect Warrior HQs will 0-1 opposing aspect warrior philosophies. (now I'm talking crazy)
10) Lots of items that induce dangerous/difficult terrain. DE are all about fast movement and focusing forces. Eldar are all about specialists focusing their efforts, but to avoid stepping on the DE's turf, GW will just make them regular fast but give them the ability to prevent other armies from react to their movements.

Gwyidion
09-05-2013, 12:55
The wraithlord will be nerfed. I expect T7 or worse, perhaps an invuln save, fixing the weapon issue, and a move to Elite.

The wraithknight will be T8 or 9, 2+ armor, many wounds, scarily badass, Heavy Support and cost about a million dollars a kit.

Wraithguard will have the only non-assault infantry weapon in the codex, but, they can switch it out for a close-combat set of weapons. It will be far superior to the imperium's thunderhammer and storm shield, meaning it will be an AP3 weapon and a 4+ invuln. In combat only.

Marzillius
09-05-2013, 13:05
1) 2 psychic power tables; one support focused and one offense focused.
2) Autarchs will get more strategic shenanigans (for example, better at seizing, better reserve rolls, better deployment options).
3) Eldrad will be mastery level 4.
4) 2 fliers; one air-superiority fighter, one ground-attack bomber. They will be 11/11/10.
5) Guardians will be more customizable with special and heavy weapons. They will also get a 4+ armour save.
6) Shuriken weapons will get increased range by 6" universally.
7) Distortion weapons will get increased range. 12" for D-cannons, 6" for Wraithcannons.
8) Wave Serpents will get an assault ramp upgrade, or something else which makes it easier to transport melee models to close combat.
9) Wraithguard will get a melee option, which includes a 5+ invulnerable save.
10) Fleet on everything except Wraith units.

djhowitzer
09-05-2013, 13:50
i like this idea.

1. eldar pychics will be able to diminish deny the witch rolls
2. holofields wil give vehicles an invulnerable save and shrouded
3. eldar will be able to have nothing on the pitch and not auto-lose due to autarch shenanigans
4. there will be an eldar flier dual kit
5. autarchs will be able to give a unit they join skyfire
6. shuriken weapons will gain the shred rule
7. the psychic power guide will no longer exist in its current form.
8. the vyper wil become a chariot, with a fighting platform option
9. eldar will be able to jiggle force org charts around somehow.
10. pathfinders will gain the ability to make a consolidation move when charged

Angry SisterOfBattle Nerd
09-05-2013, 14:03
1) Eldars will have their own warlord traits
2) Eldars will have more than one troop choice
3) There will be new eldar model released
4) Eldars will have access to mastery level 3 psykers
5) Eldars will have some special characters
6) Eldars will have access to at least one flyer
7) Eldars will have at least one specific spell list
8) Some people (maybe eldar, maybe not) will complain a lot about the new codex
9) Guardians will stay T3
10) I will be crowned boss farseer !

:D

wyvirn
09-05-2013, 14:15
10) I will be crowned boss farseer !



Don't Sisters of Bitter hate Xenos? :p

Angry SisterOfBattle Nerd
09-05-2013, 14:25
Well, I'd say that they don't really hate them, they rather resent them very much.

Isambard
09-05-2013, 14:34
I am glad to see that Angry SisterOfBattler Nerd got his "babies first rune kit", but we are going to need some more specific predictions from you :-P

Angry SisterOfBattle Nerd
09-05-2013, 15:26
Awww, come on ! My predictions are super accurate !
Well, that means I will be wrong on at least the last prediction:cries:.

Gwyidion
09-05-2013, 15:30
Ok, i'll make a serious list:

1) Wraithlords will be Elite OR wraithknight will be elite. I think the former.
2) Dark Reapers will gain skyfire, weapon options/firemodes
3) Swooping Hawks will be able to attack flyers
4) Autarches will be filled out. Like, they hit the gym, the books, and maybe even psyker-school. Much improved all around
5) Psychic abilities will not be as good as people want
6) Aspects will be cost adjusted and improved. Fire dragons nerfed.
7) Guardians cheaper, a slight fix to catapults, but not enough to make them good.
8) Wraithguard have many changes
9) Warlocks become FOC-free HQ unit. buy 1-10, IC characters - become ML1. Have warlock powers, primaris: destructor or embolden.
10) Exarchs compulsory

Fable
09-05-2013, 15:30
1) Striking Scorpions get fleet
2) There is a universal racial rule added to the non-wraith units
3) Guardian jetbikes drop to a 4+ save but remain troops
4) Farseers can be bumped to ML 3 and Eldrad is 4
5) The Warlock squad is now a 1-5 unit that can be dispersed throughout other units with a base ML 1 and max ML 2 with access to Pyromancy
6) Flyers have Vector Dancer
7) Eldrad's Divination is rolled into the Warlord table and becomes his automatic trait
8) If you take the Avatar it MUST be your Warlord
9) The Avatar gains more wounds and attacks, but his invul drops to 5+
10) Shadow Weavers gain the same rules as the Night Spinner's Doom Weaver.

Gwyidion
09-05-2013, 15:36
Here's a wishlist one. I don't expect this to happen, but I want it to happen:

11) Runes of Warding are a primary-detachment upgrade ONLY

khidi
09-05-2013, 15:57
Here's a wishlist one. I don't expect this to happen, but I want it to happen:

11) Runes of Warding are a primary-detachment upgrade ONLY

More like
11) Runes of Warding are gone.

Gwyidion
09-05-2013, 16:00
But - if runes of warding are gone, we won't be able to enjoy the whinging of Marine players every time we walk into the store....

BigBarryJazz
09-05-2013, 16:04
9) Finecast sprue of guardian upgrades, including ccw, special weapons and some power weapons.

Like these (http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440245a&prodId=prod1710004a), or do you mean they'll come up with new ones?

Dwane Diblie
09-05-2013, 16:31
1 Wraithknight will be WS4 BS4 S8 T8 W5 I4 A3 LD10 SV2+
2 Wraithknight will have no fists by default, it will have 2 weapons for arms and a shoulder mounted twin-linked weapon.
3 Warlocks will have to cast their powers as well as randomly generate them.
4 Guardian Defenders, Guardian Storm, Guardian Jetbikes, Dire Avengers, Striking Scorpions and Shining Spears will all have Plasma Grenades.
5 Wraithknight will be Elite, Wraithguard will be Troop, Wraithlord will remain Heavy Support.
6 There will be at least one brand new named character, at least one old name character will return and all current named characters will remain.
7 Shining Spears will have more Attacks per model (stat or wargear) and an increased squad size.
8 Shadow Weaver and Doom Weaver will have the Monofilament rule and Death Spinners will have Rending.
9 Somthing will have Skyfire options other than the flyers and something will have Night Fight options.
10 The Codex will need an FAQ the day it is released as some Wargear options where incorrectly worded, amongst other things.

MajorWesJanson
09-05-2013, 16:37
I'm going to have more than 10.
1. Farseers will be able to buy up to ML3
2. Wraithlords will move to Elite and drop to T6/T7
3. Wraithknights will be HS and be T8
4. Warwalkers will move to FA
5. Star Engines will give vehicles the Supersonic USR
6. Holofields will allow you to reroll Jink saves
7. Fliers will have Vector Dancer, but be AV10 all around
8. Shining Spears will get a bonus to Hammer of Wrath hits
9. Banshee scream will cancel out overwatch
10. 3 psychic charts each with 3 powers plus primaris- Khaine with damage spells, Isha with buffs, Cegorach with manipulation/maledictions
11. Shurican weapons on guardians become 2/1 24"/12" Salvo weapons
12. Army wide Fleet and/or Hit and Run
13. Runes of Warding dropped to 18-24"
14. Warlocks can only take Primaris powers
15. Warlocks bought as non-Independent characters for Wraithguard squads, guardian squads, gaurdian jetbike squads, and as a Seer council unit if you take a Farseer, like a command squad.
16. Warlocks with a farseer will not cast their own powers, but increase the power of the farseer/absorb Perils wounds.
17. Ranger Longrifles will lose the AP1 on the hit roll and gain Rending on a 5 or 6. Pathfinders will also gain precision shots on a 5 or 6.
18. Wave Serpeant will gain Assault Vehicle
19. Falcon will stay similar price, costs for weapons upgrades will drop.
20. Night spinner will gain alternate fire mode with skyfire.

Poseidal
09-05-2013, 16:40
10 The Codex will need an FAQ the day it is released as some Wargear options where incorrectly worded, amongst other things.

Haha, good prediction.

Hijallo
09-05-2013, 17:21
1. Some troops moving to other slots, unlocks via SC. Only "core" unit is Guardians.
2. Three psyker schools, two 3+1 and one 6+1. One for Offence (warlock and destructive seer), One for Support (big one, Seer's one) and one for messing with enemy (for Harlequins)
3. Warlocks are lv1 psykers, they automatically know all three primaris spells.
4. Point drops across the table, Striking Scorps 13 pts, other are unforseable.
5. Autarchs are better, don't know how but they're somehow better then they used to be, probably via unlocking various aspects to troops. And not-sucking balls in close/ranged combat.
6. RoW standartised.
7. Harlequins have their Stealth and Shrouded included into profile (FAQ for DE), Shadowseer is a lv1 psyker, knows all Misdirection discipline.
8. There will be psychic power which will allows treat your cover save as an invulnerable one against shooting (so, ignore ignore cover, saves vs. flamers)
9. Tanks will be useless,
10. Vypers will not be useless.

djhowitzer
09-05-2013, 18:06
i am also on with that. i wish i had thought of it.


i also think sister of bitter deserves a special reward for showing us up as the bunch of po-faced xenos we all are!

Xeen
09-05-2013, 18:21
Not including things in the rumors like flyers and big walker being in the book.

1. There will be a slight decrease in points for most things, and as with tau, you will see about 25% more points to spend.
2. Farseers will be Lv 2, up to Lv3. There will be an eldar psyker power table. It will have some iteration of Eldric Storm (that has been there since 2nd), Fortune, and maybe Doom (also both in 2nd), the latter two being WC 2
3. Shining spears will be over priced as per GW usually over pricing anything with AP3.
4. Jet bikes will lose their 3+ save.
5. There will be a universal rule. It will probably be fleet (WISH LIST: I hope they do a universal rule that all eldar, unless they can roll more, can move d6 in the assault phase. That would up mobility a lot)
6. The Vehicles will be same price or slightly cheaper, but the upgrade weapons will be much cheaper
7. Wraithlord nerf down to T7 or T6. Also, dual weapons not twin linked anymore.
8. The phonex lords will have their own stat lines, lose eternal warrior, and most will be overpriced, and one will be ridiculously overpowered. (guessing Jan or the Hawk one).
9. Swooping hawks will have some kind of attack against flyers and/or a turbo boost move.
10. The flyers are going to be disappointing/overcosted. They should give the fighter interceptor vs. flyers, but they won't. They will have vector dancer and the bomber will have D-weapon thing.
11. Avatar will have 5+ invul, but get massive state increase.
12. The big walker will be overcosted slightly and/or not a must take similar to the riptide.
13. Units that are going to be awesome/must take - Either Hawks or Spiders, Either Banshees or Scorpions, Farssers, Reapers, one of the vehicles and one phoenix lord.
Units that are going to be ok - Guardians, Dire Avengers, Rangers/Pathfinders (if points are dropped over 30%), fire dragons, vypers, Autarchs, most vehicles, Big Walker thing, Warlocks, Eldrad
Units that are going to be disappointing but probably useful in non-WAAC enviroments - most other phoenix lords, jet bikes, Transports, Wraith guard, Harlies, Flyers (or one will be totally broken), Avatar, Either Hawks or Spiders, Either Banshees or Scorpions, Prince Yriel.
Units that are going to be totally crap- Shining spears, Wraith Guard CC unit, one or two phoenix lords, at least one vehicle, Rangers/Pathfinders (if points are not dropped by more than a few).
14. Diver avenges will be 9 points, guardians 6 points, guardian bikes 18 points, the flyers 175-190, Avatar 165ish, farseer 80 points, and most things down a point to 4 or so. Rangers/pathfinders I have no idea and they could be reduced as much as 50% or gain abilities and go down 30% or so. I think these models will have the biggest point decrease, or they will be completely unusable.

This is just my best guess, (not wishlisting except that one thing) from what I observed so far from the 6th edition books.

Perfect Organism
09-05-2013, 18:26
Eldar Missile Launchers will no longer have krak missiles. Plasma missiles will be more effective and they will be able to buy haywire missiles or anti-air missiles as upgrades.

Rangers will no longer be able to upgrade to pathfinders, but they will get access to a character and maybe some special weapons.

The new jetbike kit will not make standard guardian jetbikes. It will make shining spears, warlocks and maybe a brand new unit.

Wraithguard become troops. New wraithguard variant become elites.

Guardians become (relatively) long-ranged and get access to some kind of ability which lets them buff or repair other units.

The weapon your avatar is modeled with becomes important. No new model released. It gets the Rampage rule.

Each aspect except Dire Avengers and Shining Spears gets a new direct-only exarch model, either completing the weapon options (e.g. a striking scorpion exarch with chainsabres) or adding a new one.

There will be a Ranger special character, possibly Illic Nightspear who was mentioned in the Necrons codex.

Banshees will be able to deny overwatch and get the Fear rule, but still struggle to find a role.

New Battleforce has Guardian Jetbikes and a Vyper instead of Dire Avengers and Wave Serpent.

Angry SisterOfBattle Nerd
09-05-2013, 18:28
i also think sister of bitter deserves a special reward for showing us up as the bunch of po-faced xenos we all are!
I am sorry, I may look stupid but I couldn't understand what you mean. Po-faced ?As an excuse, English isn't my native tongue.

Stacius
09-05-2013, 19:22
Ok here's mine,
1:Farseers will be able to assist on deny the witch across the board
2:Warlocks will have more powers, including access to genuine psychic powers
3:The Nightspinner will improve
4:Dark Reapers will drop in points, until extra options are added
5:The Avatar will grant rage to all Eldar units within 12"
6:The flyer will have access to Vector Dancer
7:Eldar psychic powers will be a mix of Divination style and Telepathy style
8:Swooping Hawks will be a dual kit to include the forgeworld jet pack aspect
9:The big wraith construct will have access to psychic powers
10:There will be an assault variant of the Wave Serpent, however it will lose its power field.
11: The fluff will encompass a Grey Knight
12: Eldrad will be disgustingly good, however his points will reflect this
13: Jetbikes will remain troops, and gain the ability to put Dire Avengers on them.

Isambard
09-05-2013, 19:29
I am sorry, I may look stupid but I couldn't understand what you mean. Po-faced ?As an excuse, English isn't my native tongue.

That Sisters of Battle would not normally be seen hanging round with Eldar (or any aliens), except to swap skin care tips. We are welcoming you in with us, sister!

Angry SisterOfBattle Nerd
09-05-2013, 19:57
Yeah, but what does po-faced mean ?

djhowitzer
09-05-2013, 20:02
I am sorry, I may look stupid but I couldn't understand what you mean. Po-faced ?As an excuse, English isn't my native tongue.

po-faced means self absorbed, narrow-minded, humourless or self-absorbed.

also, note that a po is a chamber pot. i will let you google that one yourself


it is a very english expression.

Angry SisterOfBattle Nerd
09-05-2013, 20:07
Thanks !
Chamber pot is pretty much the literal translation of the French expression, so I guess I know what this is about ;).

Angry SisterOfBattle Nerd
09-05-2013, 20:35
Château ? Chat eau ? I didn't know either were English.
It's actually quite nice for us French too : so many of the less common English words are just like French word with an English pronunciation :P. Not to mention how fun it is when English people say rendez-vous !

BooTMGSG
09-05-2013, 21:15
OK
1. Eldar will get a new Psykic power table, than has a "Destructor" like spell and Eldrich Storm. It will not have Doom or fortune. (Farseers will have to use Divanation)
2. Dark Reapers Will have the chance to get interceptor. 2nd edition they had DR Tracking system that could ignore movement to hit modifiers and interceptor will fit in here.
3. Swooping Hawks will be able to "vector" strike with an asortment of grenades. They used to be able to drop grenades on people they flew over, vector strike fits perfectly here.
4. Banshees will get Furious or another mechanism to buff their strengh so they can harm Marines without doom.
5. Dire Avengers, Fire Dragons, Warpspiders and Striking Scorpian will remain unchanged save points.
6. Something will happend to the Shining Spears. OK vague, but with a new jetbike in the works there sould be some work done to make this unit viable. My prefered route is to make their lances AP 2 shooting and on the charge, in a similar vain to Triarch Praetorians. Low number of attacks but good on the charge against elites. Doubt it will happen as Power Lances are down AP3/4 in the BRB.
7 Warlocks will be like Royal Court. One per Farseer, either Seer council or attached to unit.
8 Expect More D-weapons.
9 Holofields will give Should or Stealth when moving.
10 Wraithsight will be modified so that they may snapfire and fight at WS1.

Bobthemime
09-05-2013, 21:16
How isnt this a wishlisting thread?

all i have seen so far are lists of wishes.

murgel2006
09-05-2013, 21:39
This is what I'm realistically expecting:

1. The farseer will be more expensive and stay lvl 1 if naked
2. The PLs NOT get an inv save and lose Eternal
3. Shuriken catapults will not be changed.
4. Wave Serpents will be 10 points less and will come with TL Shuriken Cannon AND will not be assault vehicles.
5. Stalker will be more expensive but negate the charging through terrain ini penalty.
6. The Brightlance will change only in points.
7. Falcon will not be available as dedicated transport.
8. Banshees will not get a power to assault after disembarking.
9. The power of the Hawk's grenade will not be related to the number of models in the unit but will be constant.
10. There will be no Firestorm, Warphunter or Nightwing rules in the codex, they will not even be mentioned in the background.

11. CWE will not change their basic style of play and will be very hard to play (= nerfed into oblivion).

PLEASE GW prove me wrong.

OuroborosTriumphant
10-05-2013, 07:14
How isnt this a wishlisting thread?

all i have seen so far are lists of wishes.

I think the difference is this is meant to be "Guess what WILL happen" instead of "Say what SHOULD happen".

Aldavaer
10-05-2013, 08:15
My guesses:

1) Holofields will give stealth or shrouded
2) You will have a choice to buy 2 of a wpn singly or TL at a lower price.
3) Wargear or special rule to give ignore night fight
4) Guardian shuriken catapult becomes 24" Rapid fire
5) Eldar/Autarch specific Warlord Traits list
6) Vypers given the Eldar Jet Bike classification
7) War walkers moved to Fast Attack
8) Banshees get a rule to treat all transports as assault transports
9) Striking Scorpions get Shrouded
10) Swooping Hawks gain the ability to assault non zooming fliers
11) Fusion guns get a range increase to 18" like the Tau

Mr_Foulscumm
10-05-2013, 08:24
9) Finecast sprue of guardian upgrades, including ccw, special weapons and some power weapons.


Well you did managed to predict the past at least :D

Individual8580
10-05-2013, 08:30
1) Kelly will write the book
2) He will try to compensate for the lackluster CSM book
3) The codex will have poor internal balance
4) The codex will do away with the trend of 'balanced' codeci
5) There will be absurdly overpowered things in the codex
6) The flyer and giant wraith-thing will have stats that make them a crime against humanity
7) The random psychic powers will be much better than anything anyone else has
8) Phoenix Lords will be obscene
9) Dark Angels, CSM and Tau will shiver in eternall darkness after the codex gets released
10) The codex will start a power creep like never seen before and Rhana Dandra occurs before GW can release the 7th edition of WH40k

Angry SisterOfBattle Nerd
10-05-2013, 08:31
10) Swooping Hawks gain the ability to assault non zooming fliers
Ain't that already the case ? I mean, a non-zooming flier is like a fast antigrav, and everyone can assault it, no ?

Aldavaer
10-05-2013, 08:38
Ain't that already the case ? I mean, a non-zooming flier is like a fast antigrav, and everyone can assault it, no ?

Quite possibly me getting my terms mixed up. As there are currently no fliers in the group I play with I have not paid much attention to the rules. I meant attack fliers flying normally.

nosebiter
10-05-2013, 08:39
This is what I'm realistically expecting:

1. The farseer will be more expensive and stay lvl 1 if naked
2. The PLs NOT get an inv save and lose Eternal
3. Shuriken catapults will not be changed.
4. Wave Serpents will be 10 points less and will come with TL Shuriken Cannon AND will not be assault vehicles.
5. Stalker will be more expensive but negate the charging through terrain ini penalty.
6. The Brightlance will change only in points.
7. Falcon will not be available as dedicated transport.
8. Banshees will not get a power to assault after disembarking.
9. The power of the Hawk's grenade will not be related to the number of models in the unit but will be constant.
10. There will be no Firestorm, Warphunter or Nightwing rules in the codex, they will not even be mentioned in the background.

11. CWE will not change their basic style of play and will be very hard to play (= nerfed into oblivion).

PLEASE GW prove me wrong.

This is what i am expecting aswell. That and

12. The new wraith construct will be so über that all eldar armies will be this maxed, 2X3 bikes a farseer and allies for the rest of the army.

Phil kelly is busy going all OMG! Over his space wolves that e CWE dex will be a left hand job.

Isambard
10-05-2013, 08:40
6) The flyer and giant wraith-thing will have stats that make them a crime against humanity


Lovely choice of words there :-D

Mr_Foulscumm
10-05-2013, 09:51
I want to be able to take squads 10+ Dire Avengers. I predict this wont happen :(

OuroborosTriumphant
10-05-2013, 11:03
My best guesses;

1. Overall power level will continue the 6th ed trend and be on par with CSM, Dark Angels, Chaos Daemons and Tau. A step below Necrons and Grey Knights.
2. The author will be Phil Kelly.
3. Fire Dragons will be a bit more expensive.
4. Guardians and Dire Avengers will be a bit cheaper.
5. There will be no unique Eldar psychic power Discipline.
6. But there will be an Eldar Warlord Trait table.
7. The Bigass Wraith construct will be very powerful.
8. But the flier or fliers will be a cut below the current top tier fliers. More Nephilim than Heldrake.
9. The Farseer will either be surprisingly cheap or will be Mastery Level 2 base.
10. Eldrad will be Mastery Level 4.

Bobthemime
10-05-2013, 11:49
I think the difference is this is meant to be "Guess what WILL happen" instead of "Say what SHOULD happen".

But turned into.. "I want this!"


so a wishlisting thread

eldargal
10-05-2013, 12:04
1) I predict that at least 90% of the predictions in this thread will be wrong.

Bobthemime
10-05-2013, 12:39
1) I predict that at least 90% of the predictions in this thread will be wrong.

Only 90%?

I dont care what happens to the rest of the dex as long as WG doesnt get more expensive for doing the same job.. as ~400pts for a troops choice that has 12" range and 6" movement isnt all that great.

Isambard
10-05-2013, 13:17
1) I predict that at least 90% of the predictions in this thread will be wrong.

That is not how you play the game!

If you think we are wrong, put your money where your mouth is and make some predictions yourself. You can't be any more wrong than the rest of us!

eldargal
10-05-2013, 13:49
Don't worry, I was just teasing.:) I would post a proper list but my realism (8th edition army books have maintained excellent balance, 6th edition codices have maintained excellent balance, all the authors are producing decent books now) is at war with my eldar pessimism.:(

Isambard
10-05-2013, 13:52
Double post because I am a clart.

Azulthar
10-05-2013, 13:54
Just one, but it's a feeling several of our gaming group have:

- Eldar is going to be the army that "breaks" 6th (kind of like Grey Knights and 5th)

It's not based on any rumours, just...a hunch. The narrative aspect of 6th, the powerful psychic disciplines, the focus on mobility/flyers. For some reason we just expect Eldar to be murderously powerful because of this. Since our only Eldar player moved away, it's become somewhat of a running gag to claim you're going to be the player who starts the new insanely IMBA Eldar when they are released.

Bobthemime
10-05-2013, 15:12
1 - 10) Eldar will get a lil better overall.

easy enough and it isnt a wishlist post like the rest of y'all seem to be doing.

Ace Rimmer
10-05-2013, 17:20
1)Eldar Vehicles stay similarly priced, maybe a few drop slightly, but will gain their basic turret option as standard.
2)Fire Dragons to go up to around 20pts a piece, Dark Reapers and Shining Spears to drop to around 26, Other aspects & jet bikes drop 2pts.
3)Wraithguard to drop in price, drop to T5 and stay un-lockable to troops, probably in both shooty/assault configurations.
4)Wraithlord moves to Elites, becomes T6/7, points cost stays the same but starts with Shuriken Cannon/Wraithsword as standard.
5)Runes of Warding becomes a 12" bubble. There is a single Eldar psychic desk, with Eldritch storm or Destructor as primaris and something new for it's ML 2 power. Farseers become ML2 with spirit stones unlocking ML 3. Warlocks become ML1, possibility of Brotherhood of psykers for seer council.
6)Skyfire/Interceptor to become the new Crystal Targettng Matrix upgrade, Reapers get them via Exarch Powers.
7)Guardians get cheaper (6pts), Upgrade weapons get cheaper (Fusion/Flamer/heavy) and get a new special rule to make them more of a threat.
8)New Fliers will be Fighter in FA with Twin-Shuriken Cannons centre-line and either upgradable existing heavies in the wings, or a new missile launcher. Bomber will have centre-line D-Cannon with missiles on the wings.
9)Autarchs get cheaper, get slightly better equipment options, can unlock Aspect troops options. Warlord trait table focuses on shenanigans, redeploy x units, infiltrate x units, improved reserves rolls etc..
10)Shadow Weavers gain the same special rules as the night spinner. Support platforms become 40 points a piece regardless of weapon.

Fear Itself
10-05-2013, 19:46
1. Runes of Warding has its range significantly diminished. :yes:
2. Striking Scorpions will become the aspect of choice for spam/WAAC.
3. Price reduction to transports.
4. Autarchs will become a significantly more viable choice, and offer new ways to manipulate the battlefield.
5. Price reduction to various aspects, except for dragons.
6. The psychic flier will be gross, and slightly resemble male genitalia.
7. Eldrad will be PML 4- or the psychic backlash of angry Eldar fans will kill the codices creator.
8. Wraithwalls will become more popular, and more efficient.
9. The threat range of Guardian weapons will increase.
10. An Avatar will die in the fluff section- preferably to a Night Lord.

djhowitzer
10-05-2013, 19:49
are you sure the avatar wont die to a snotling with athletes foot and a nasty case of halitosis armed with a spanner?

Fear Itself
10-05-2013, 20:00
are you sure the avatar wont die to a snotling with athletes foot and a nasty case of halitosis armed with a spanner?

Anything is possible!

Luffwaffle
10-05-2013, 20:12
Just one, but it's a feeling several of our gaming group have:

- Eldar is going to be the army that "breaks" 6th (kind of like Grey Knights and 5th)

It's not based on any rumours, just...a hunch. The narrative aspect of 6th, the powerful psychic disciplines, the focus on mobility/flyers. For some reason we just expect Eldar to be murderously powerful because of this. Since our only Eldar player moved away, it's become somewhat of a running gag to claim you're going to be the player who starts the new insanely IMBA Eldar when they are released.

Kinda feeling the same way. I think they are going to be game breaking or worthless, with no room in between.

brightblade
11-05-2013, 07:30
I think they are going to be game breaking or worthless, with no room in between.

Let's hope the new Eldar book is game breaking then. ;) I wanna make necrons cry. :D

Mellowlicious
11-05-2013, 12:25
1) Phoenix Lords will stay as generic as they are now, though they will all get a small invuln save. Also a bit of a point drop.
2) Autarchs can make aspects troops depending on their war gear
3) Rolling for psyker abilities where Fortune is the primaris of 1 table
4) An autarch special character with minor psychic abilities
5) Avatar gets 5+ invulnerable save like all daemons, gets T7 and stays about the same points wise
6) Dark reapers become anti-air foot soldiers where the DR exarch can take a power to give his unit anti-air and/or interceptor
7) Swooping hawks intercept power is expanded to where the unit can choose to get anti-air for a turn
8) Wave serpent gets a small point drop, has an upgrade to make it assault but it makes the vehicle count as open-topped
9) Shuriken catapults DON'T get a range buff
10) War walkers are increased in cost, Vypers decreased

Bonus: Maugan Ra keeps Acute senses

Shad Ambert
11-05-2013, 15:04
Everything will be nerfed, but fluff will be good.

Craftworld
11-05-2013, 22:14
Everything I'd suggest has been covered, it seems.


1. Runes of Warding has its range significantly diminished. :yes:

Unfortunately, this is probably going to be the case. I'll miss it. :(

Bobthemime
12-05-2013, 12:50
4) An autarch special character with minor psychic abilities


would be nice if this is Yriel and the powers generated by that accursed weapon he picked up.