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guardian angel
14-06-2013, 09:39
So, I'm sure like so many people before me, I am considering starting building a small Eldar army. Currently I am a Fantasy gamer, my army of choice being Warriors of Chaos. However, of late I've been feeling the need for a change and decided some light entertainment in the way of 40k may be a good idea;)

I haven't played any 40k in the 6th ed, but played a small amount with Grey Knignts in the previous edition. Now, I still do like the GK and all, but I really wanna change from power armoured boys, and thought Eldar may be a good alternative.

So, in short, how are the new Eldar? Are they flexible, as I want an army that is balanced and can compete well in all phases?

Also, what's the best way to start with them; codex and army box set, plus HQ?

All advice welcome:)

Menthak
14-06-2013, 10:42
So, I'm sure like so many people before me, I am considering starting building a small Eldar army. Currently I am a Fantasy gamer, my army of choice being Warriors of Chaos. However, of late I've been feeling the need for a change and decided some light entertainment in the way of 40k may be a good idea;)

I haven't played any 40k in the 6th ed, but played a small amount with Grey Knignts in the previous edition. Now, I still do like the GK and all, but I really wanna change from power armoured boys, and thought Eldar may be a good alternative.

So, in short, how are the new Eldar? Are they flexible, as I want an army that is balanced and can compete well in all phases?

Also, what's the best way to start with them; codex and army box set, plus HQ?

All advice welcome:)

Flexible. Erm, sort of!

Well everything in the Eldar codex with an aspect tends to be specialized. So you need to know how to use each alongside each other.

The new Eldar are good, if perhaps not the easiest army in the world.

If you haven't got a specific craftworld in mind, here are my suggestions on how to start.
Codex:
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440172a&prodId=prod2060036a&rootCatGameStyle=

Battleforce:
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440172a&prodId=prod2060070a&rootCatGameStyle=

Farseer (Solid combat/psyker hq) :
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440172a&prodId=prod1700063a&rootCatGameStyle=

Fire Dragons (put in wave serpent and shoot off towards enemy tanks) :
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440172a&prodId=prod1390004a&rootCatGameStyle=

That's what I'd consider a decent low points army.

Although I do have to say, Eldar are becoming more and more expensive to start, so either do it now, or do it later (When dire avengers are 30 for 5)

BooTMGSG
14-06-2013, 10:52
I think the Eldar are flexible, and can do well in all phases (perhaps weaker in CC, but then again there are some brutal CC beasts about the Eldar Codex).

However, I think to win as Eldar you must master the Moving Phase (well moving).
For the most part Eldar (non Wraith Armies) are all about punch and move. Using your superior mobility to either kill a threat before it can retaliate, or to snipe then duck back into cover.

Regarding Starting them, the box set is ok, some people might grumble because they don't like the viper. I like them, but they are a lot of nice units in fast attack. They give you a guardian defender squad and Dire avengers, which should give you a fair taste of both main troop choices and A wave serpant is always nice.

From there if you might want to look at a jetbike squad as they are quite good to play about with in a squad of 3, you can move from there depending on how you feel.
Rangers are another common choice.

Both these are troop choice, but unless you are going for a themed army, I feel that Guardian Defenders or Dire Avengers will form the body of your troop, with rangers being chosen to camp on a specific objective, and the Jet Bikers, being used to protect a JetBike Farseer or act as a late game objective grabber.

Unfortunately Eldar have a large number of interesting units, and the best way to build an army without playing eldar before, is to have friend that allow you to proxy a lot of models. Playing about with an aspect warrior unit before buying is probably the best way to go.

That being said, there is a fair consensus that Warp spiders are very good in fast attack and a squadren of war walkers can be mean in Heavy support, (particulary with the ability to run behind a building after firing). However, many people would make a different argument (I prefer swooping hawks to warp spiders).

The other way to look is a wraith army, which is tough, slow and has a hideous amount of short range AP2.

Skip to the end.
Grab some troop and a farseer, try and play test the rest before taking the plunge.

guardian angel
14-06-2013, 13:48
That's great info, thanks:) I hear what you're saying on that the warriors are specialised into certain roles, but it's the ability to create a synergy from them that looks interesting to me.

I really like the look/appearance of the Dire Avengers and war-walkers, so I'd probably like to get some at some point. So I guess the codex, battleforce, more dire avengers and an HQ it is then?

ErictheGreen
14-06-2013, 14:02
pretty much.

the battleforce will get you a wave serpent, which you can mount your dire avengers and farseer in, giving you a mobile attacking element. you'll get guardians and a weapons platform to sit at home base.

war walkers will provide some long range firepower. its a good start.

BooTMGSG
14-06-2013, 14:22
You should also be able to proxy the Wave serpent as another Grav tank should you wish to test them out.

Also consider a trio of Jet bikes or Ranger Squad before the second box of Avengers, they are the same price, and theres a chance you might prefer to use Guardians over Dire Avengers