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CordovaLemonSlayer
05-07-2013, 20:06
I was just wondering why there has been no mention of the squats at all in the Horus Heresy books, or 30k background material. Were they already wiped out by the Tyranids, or did GW feel like leaving them out, because nobody would know who they are? Just because they don't make the miniatures anymore, doesn't mean they never existed, like it or not, they are part of the 40k fluff, and leaving them out, when they shouldn't be extinct yet is just sloppy writing.

Spider-pope
05-07-2013, 20:21
I was just wondering why there has been no mention of the squats at all in the Horus Heresy books, or background material. Were they already wiped out by the Tyranids, or did GW feel like leaving them out, because nobody would know who they are? Just because they don't make the miniatures anymore, doesn't mean they never existed, like it or not, they are part of the 40k fluff, and leaving them out, when they shouldn't be extinct yet is just sloppy writing.

They aren't part of the fluff and haven't been for a long time. It's not sloppy writing to not include something that is no longer part of the background. Is it sloppy for Leman Russ to no longer be a human Imperial Guard commander?

M@L@L
05-07-2013, 20:46
They aren't part of the fluff and haven't been for a long time. It's not sloppy writing to not include something that is no longer part of the background. Is it sloppy for Leman Russ to no longer be a human Imperial Guard commander?

They have returned to the fluff as part of the list of known Abhumans in the 6th Ed rulebook. Along with Beastmen. And a bunch of weird things I've never even heard of before including what many speculate to be "cat people".

Rogue Star
05-07-2013, 20:50
I was just wondering why there has been no mention of the squats at all in the Horus Heresy books, or 30k background material. Were they already wiped out by the Tyranids, or did GW feel like leaving them out, because nobody would know who they are? Just because they don't make the miniatures anymore, doesn't mean they never existed, like it or not, they are part of the 40k fluff, and leaving them out, when they shouldn't be extinct yet is just sloppy writing.

GW doesn't like them. They have no intention of making anything more of them, or ever returning to them. The short bit of background "Tyranids ate the Squats" came because the GW Design Team were tired of the 40K seminar always having someone "When will the Squats be updated?" to the point I believe Andy Chambers just answered sometime in 1998 "Never. The Tyranids ate them. They're gone." And the rest just ran with it.

Jericho
05-07-2013, 21:25
IIRC one of the Alpha Legion short stories takes place on an automated asteroid mining facility built by the Demiurg, which are kinda like the squats.

They simply aren't in favor with the powers that be, and so they won't be prominently written into any of the fluff moving forward. Quite simply there's more popular/important/etc. topics to write about.

Leftenant Gashrog
06-07-2013, 01:59
A possible squat reference in Legion:
"To Namatjira’s left stood Khedive Ismail Sherard of the Outremars, a congenital dwarf dressed in graphite grey robes and a brow-circlet of titanium. His stature belied his level of influence in the Army and the hierarchies of Terra. Though the Outremars had supplied just five thousand foot soldiers to Namatjira’s expedition, far fewer than the Chiliad, the Torrent or the Thorns, they were the backbone of the Imperial Army, accounting for almost seven per cent of the Army’s overall numbers.

Outremar troops served in almost all expeditions and martial hosts, and their khedives, all dwarfs of the same blood dynasty as Sherard, were famed for their tactical insight and discipline."

Even if only the Khedives are dwarves, at 7% that's a hell of a lot of stunties running around.

Shipmonkey
06-07-2013, 16:16
IIRC one of the Alpha Legion short stories takes place on an automated asteroid mining facility built by the Demiurg, which are kinda like the squats.

They simply aren't in favor with the powers that be, and so they won't be prominently written into any of the fluff moving forward. Quite simply there's more popular/important/etc. topics to write about.

Demiurg are not Squats. Both races are mentioned separately in the last 'Nid codex.

Menthak
07-07-2013, 01:37
What the hell are squats? I've never head of 'em

angelismortis
07-07-2013, 02:07
What the hell are squats? I've never head of 'em

Dwarfs in space.

Menthak
07-07-2013, 02:40
Dwarfs in space.

I should have put a (!) I was joking about how they've been exterminatus'ed from the fluff

angelismortis
07-07-2013, 03:44
I should have put a (!) I was joking about how they've been exterminatus'ed from the fluff

I thought you might be joking, but just in case...

infamousme
07-07-2013, 15:10
What the hell are squats? I've never head of 'em Hilarious, that's what they are.

Londinium
07-07-2013, 16:04
Dwarfs in space.

Biker dwarfs in space.

angelismortis
08-07-2013, 16:34
Biker dwarfs in space.

I always forget the darn bikes :(

Swope
08-07-2013, 16:48
I love biker dwarfs in space

Vaulkhar
08-07-2013, 17:05
Don't forget the biker dwarves wearing giant bowling ball armour. In space.

(Seriously. Google "Squat exo armour". It's kinda hard to take them seriously after seeing those minis.)

baphomael
08-07-2013, 19:00
Squats have been mentioned, as noted, as an Abhuman strain like Ogryns and Ratlings... but thats as far as it goes so far.

Demiurg are a seperate alien species that have taken some of the dwarfish stereotypes the Squats once possessed (being stunted miners and craftsmen).

OldMan
08-07-2013, 19:03
Space dwarfs - a cool concept.

I am too new to hobby to ever see or read about them in any other place then internet, but their fluff really makes sense and is cool. I mean orcs are much much more far fetched and cartoony then squats. Still orks are here, and dwarfs are gone. It is hard to belive GW could not make anything sensible with them, i can throw many idea just like now.

IIRC Gw has admitted somewhere to regret phasing squat out. The game and the fluff lacs a decent dwarf archetype. Such army would sell well if was done right but it is too late now.

major soma
08-07-2013, 19:08
I think Bob Olly technically owns the concept of the squats when he joined Citadel he brought them along with him. I'm not sure why GW let them slide as they were popular guild trikes where one of my favourite units. I suspect the squats may not have played a major role in GW's retelling of the Horus Heresy. Back when Adeptus Titanicus was released the setting was technically the HH so for me its interesting to see the differences.

Leftenant Gashrog
08-07-2013, 19:55
I think Bob Olly technically owns the concept of the squats when he joined Citadel he brought them along with him.
If that were true I imagine GW would have come out and said it like they did with Malal, rather than resorting to "uh, the Tyranids ate 'em" after years of being nagged. Out of interest who had he made scifi dwarves for before joining Citadel?


IIRC Gw has admitted somewhere to regret phasing squat out. The game and the fluff lacs a decent dwarf archetype. Such army would sell well if was done right but it is too late now.
You might be thinking of Jervis' post on the old Specialist Games forums telling all about their being cancelled, there was regret there but not about them being cancelled, the regret was what they'd done with them in the first place such as calling them Squats.


I'm not sure why GW let them slide as they were popular guild trikes where one of my favourite units.
According to Jervis (see above) none of the design studio liked what they'd done with them nor did they have any good ideas to fix them, rather than devote time and money to working on something none of them wanted to do they cancelled the line.

OldMan
08-07-2013, 20:48
You might be thinking of Jervis' post on the old Specialist Games forums telling all about their being cancelled, there was regret there but not about them being cancelled, the regret was what they'd done with them in the first place such as calling them Squats.

According to Jervis (see above) none of the design studio liked what they'd done with them nor did they have any good ideas to fix them, rather than devote time and money to working on something none of them wanted to do they cancelled the line.

No, i am sure it was something much later then the famous qoute explaining why the squats were dropped. Something in line the game could use a dwarf archetype.
The trikes were a good start. They really hould start from their fluff space miners/explorers forced to form self-sufficient communities and defend themdelvs. Lots of mining and exploration equipment refited into war. Sonic mining drill with armor used to kill enemies. ( would lay flamer temlates of huge powers, if ever made it into range). Some moon bugies with gun on it. Some space uit- jump/jet pack infrantry similar to sci-fi white dwarf miniatures from few years ago. Trikes would be past hauling machines. They would use bolter pattern ( bolter- to show links to Imperium) more suited to their frames and strengh - like heavy 1 str. 5.

But this is only one posibility. They gave up way too early.

ArtificerArmour
09-07-2013, 19:59
Wasn't there a squat character in mechanicum?

Lord Damocles
10-07-2013, 20:42
Wasn't there a squat character in mechanicum?
Zouche was a dwarf, but he was from Terra, if memory serves.

Sir_Turalyon
15-07-2013, 22:27
Note that the "eaten by Tyranids" is not part of published background and was popularised by fans urban legend way. Nor were Squats removed from background or their background retconned in any way. GW does not feel like writing about Squats and they are effectively unpersons, both in 41st and 31st Millenium - the gaze of writers does not touch them. Space marine Bob Loken might have spent 50 years fighting the Squats during Crusade and just never once think about them when Dan Abnett writes from his point of view; if Loken examines his trophy room to watch barbed wire he strangled Eldar champion with and Squat bolt pistol on the same shelf, writer will tell how he examined the wire then switch point of view to rememberancer what's-his-name before he proceeds to the pistol.

Lord Damocles
16-07-2013, 18:26
Note that the "eaten by Tyranids" is not part of published background and was popularised by fans urban legend way.
'Of his outlandish companions, I have more mixed feelings. The work itself states that the Callidus temple acknowledges the presence upon its roll of infamy a such‐named assassin. Yet in all my years I have never heard of such a request for information producing such an unequivocable result ‐ that the secretive leaders of the assassinsʹ shrines openly would even acknowledge any such query from those outside their order is frankly unbelievable. The Navigator… well, well we know of old the scorn with which our ʹʹbrothersʹʹ in the Navis Nobilite regard outside enquiries. As to the abhuman, the thread is cut. The accursed hive fleet of the tyranid put paid to that line too long ago. I cannot believe, however, that even a renegade inquisitor, if that is what this Draco really was, would tolerate the presence of such a disgusting mutation.'

Draco in The Inquisition War, pg.20 (there were at least three different versions of Inquisition War; this prologue is from one of the printings after Grimm, the Squat, was de-retconed from being a Techpriest).

In the introduction, Watson notes, 'For some comic relief, as Shakespeare has a fool in the tragedy of King Lear, so I created Grimm the squat. (Subsequently, I understand that tyranids ate all the squats, which is a shame.)'


So it's not entirely myth.

spacemonkeymojo
26-07-2013, 20:05
I thought in HH lore, squats heavily influenced Mk II and Mk III armour, being designed for close quarters and boarding operations. I always loved how dwarves were in certain video game settings (notably how Dragon Age and D&D 4e portrayed the look of them), and loved looking at how concept art for their architecture had these crazy polygonal designs. I like consider them still in the high gravity core worlds despite GW removing them from lore. I think a great way to view them re-imagined is way different than WFB dwarves. I just started playing Shadowrun Returns and am currently playing a dwarf rigger. If you look their concept art for the portraits, I just imagined how cool those types of dwarves would be in a suit of power armor. I do think the classic stature that GW had would have to be changed, no longer a rounded sort of tub phenotype but instead a short, broad muscular one. Dwarves are awesome and would be awesome if they were re-imagined.

Beaviz
26-07-2013, 20:07
I miss them as well. Too bad they are GW's old shame. But me talking about the Squats always ends with me ranting about my hatred for the Tau.

Surgency
26-07-2013, 21:29
No, i am sure it was something much later then the famous qoute explaining why the squats were dropped. Something in line the game could use a dwarf archetype.
The trikes were a good start. They really hould start from their fluff space miners/explorers forced to form self-sufficient communities and defend themdelvs. Lots of mining and exploration equipment refited into war. Sonic mining drill with armor used to kill enemies. ( would lay flamer temlates of huge powers, if ever made it into range). Some moon bugies with gun on it. Some space uit- jump/jet pack infrantry similar to sci-fi white dwarf miniatures from few years ago. Trikes would be past hauling machines. They would use bolter pattern ( bolter- to show links to Imperium) more suited to their frames and strengh - like heavy 1 str. 5.

But this is only one posibility. They gave up way too early.

Part of the problem is that they didn't want to just translate armies from fantasy to 40k. They came dangerously close with eldar, and for a while I believe they were even advertised as "space elves"

The design team at the time had nowhere else to go but the "space dwarves" route, so rather then port the army from fantasy and convert them to 40k, they neglected them and eventually dropped them

Menthak
26-07-2013, 23:11
Part of the problem is that they didn't want to just translate armies from fantasy to 40k. They came dangerously close with eldar, and for a while I believe they were even advertised as "space elves"

The design team at the time had nowhere else to go but the "space dwarves" route, so rather then port the army from fantasy and convert them to 40k, they neglected them and eventually dropped them

Yeah eldar were sold as Space Elves for a while.

I actually quite like the idea of Warhammer Fantasy races in 40k, when they're done right, The Skaven -> Hrud. Ogres -> Ogryn. High Elves -> Eldar.

But the squats were both too close and too silly. If you port a race to 40k, you need to give it a significant change.

Beaviz
26-07-2013, 23:45
Haha I can remember though study. They were linked.

Karhedron
27-07-2013, 21:12
I still have a fairly big Epic Squat army. The "Lots of big war machines" motif worked well in Epic but didn't translate well to 40K back in the days before they had practice of making such large plastic kits.

The designers I have spoken to also related the story that Squats were not deliberately killed off. It was just that no one could come up with good ideas for how to make them into a decent army in the mid-late 90s.

With the plastic moulding technology GW now has, they could probably do justic to some of the Squat vehicles in 40K. Perhaps they could even make exo-armour that didn't look like a bowling ball with a gun on. But it would take the designers actually being inspired by the concept of the army.

Marked_by_chaos
27-07-2013, 21:28
Arguably squats do crop up in forge world's Betrayal. The world eaters legendary battle concerns them defeating a technologically advanced abhuman empire in the golgothan sector. Ring any bells.

max the dog
29-07-2013, 02:23
I was just wondering why there has been no mention of the squats at all in the Horus Heresy books

Good riddance. I never really liked them anyway. Dwarves in space were never a very good idea to begin with.
IMHO I'd be happy if GW just rewrote the Ratlings to be Squats in disguise.

Bergen Beerbelly
29-07-2013, 05:59
Well, that is your opinon and you are welcome to it but Dwarfs in space make a heck of a lot more sense than pretty much anyone else considering the effect Gravity and the lack thereof would have on the human body after many generations of people being born and living on high gravity worlds.

If you don't like the way they have been portrayed in 40k then that is ok as this game is for everyone but I personally thought they were THE best army in the game. I liked them better than Eldar, Space Marines, Imperial Guard, or anyone else because, while some models looked stupid like the squat in the hover car, some, like the Squat in techmarine power armour looked cool. And I only use what I like so I can happily ignore the hover car and just go with all the good stuff.

Personally I could have written much better Squats into 40 k than any of the GW guys have done and so could a lot of people on the interwebs. The only reason we haven't done it is that we don't hold the IP for it. There are plenty of ideas available for Squats now with Apocalypse being around too. Since so many people loved them in their Epic form, Apocalypse is the perfect place to play them.

Catt
29-07-2013, 08:37
Land Trains, Goliath Megacanons, Overlord Armoured Airships, Colossi, Gyrocopters, Cyclops, Squats had them all.

Squats were easily as developed as pretty much any other race in 40K: Compendium and were not really any harder to do justice to than anything else. They had fairly diverse foot soldiers. Epic brought them along further with their war machines.

GW just clearly didn’t like them for some reason.

What does baffle me somewhat is that they weren’t even kept on as an Imperial Guard extra along with Ogryns and Ratlings. To effectively remove them entirely smacks to me of an IP issue (or something along these lines) which just didn’t make them worth the hassle for GW.

Squats were/are an interesting addition that helps flesh out 40K universe. They could have rebranded them if they wanted to get away from the heavy metal biker gang motif – a motif that really only existed at the beginning of their lives, this was shifted more to mechanical dwarf miners in Epic.

I do wonder whether GW intended to reinvent them as the Demiurg and then thought better of it – I really don’t like that name though.

Abaraxas
29-07-2013, 08:55
Demiurg is a dafter name than Suats IMO.

I don't care for Eldar, Necrons, Tau, Imperial Guard, Sisters, what they've turned grey knights and orks into and most Space Marines (and lord knows we don't have enough space marines) but I wouldn't be wringing my hands if any of them were suddenly purged from the records of 40k...

All well and good to say good riddance to squats, but woe betide you sir if the same thing happens to your army!!!

blackcherry
29-07-2013, 09:18
I miss them as well. Too bad they are GW's old shame. But me talking about the Squats always ends with me ranting about my hatred for the Tau.

I would have that looked at. It must be embarrassing when that happens it public areas.

It seems that GW have managed to make them into a concept they think fits the universe in the form of the Demiburg.

Lothlanathorian
29-07-2013, 09:25
Many moons ago, I had a friend who had worked for GW and had been to England on occasion and he had told me there was a guy at GW who loved the Squats, but, no one liked that guy so, when he left and 2nd Ed came out, they didn't update them out of spite.

Not saying this is true, just saying it was a thing I was told by someone I trust. I thought it would be hilarious if this was the truth behind the scenes.

Beaviz
29-07-2013, 15:53
I would have that looked at. It must be embarrassing when that happens it public areas.

It seems that GW have managed to make them into a concept they think fits the universe in the form of the Demiburg.

Another race I refuse to even read about. I know them to be a replacement goldfish, with digging and such. But honestly we had the technological aliens in Eldar and the Crons already.

Beaviz
29-07-2013, 15:54
Many moons ago, I had a friend who had worked for GW and had been to England on occasion and he had told me there was a guy at GW who loved the Squats, but, no one liked that guy so, when he left and 2nd Ed came out, they didn't update them out of spite.

Not saying this is true, just saying it was a thing I was told by someone I trust. I thought it would be hilarious if this was the truth behind the scenes.

That is as good a theory as any about the Squats. A bit sad if that's what really happened, but mind you it has happened before.

blackcherry
29-07-2013, 20:18
Another race I refuse to even read about. I know them to be a replacement goldfish, with digging and such. But honestly we had the technological aliens in Eldar and the Crons already.

Give them a read. I know change and new things are hard to accept sometimes, but its worth at least reading it instead of holding onto this bitterness that you seem to have.

Grocklock
30-07-2013, 06:06
Sales, I'd the key here. If people don't buy them then they won't sell them. From my understanding of the times. The amount of squat armies around is simular to the amount of sisters of battle there are now. Which is pritty low.

If you had an army which didn't sell well and the team couldn't come up with a good way to redo them. Why bother.

People say GW killed the squarts off but I fear we had as much a hand in it as well. Even before the corporate overlords set up shop. I bet that the guys in the office where aware that there is no point in pushing product that doesn't sell.

Bergen Beerbelly
30-07-2013, 07:01
apparently, from what Jervis said, that wasn't it at all. They sold as well as any other army.

Catt
30-07-2013, 07:41
Squats never made it into 2nd Edition and probably had their main existence in Epic rather than 40K. Kind of before the corporatisation of GW.

Squats were interesting because they represented a Imperial allied non-human race that nevertheless shifted the emphasis away from Space Marines. One could see conflict or tension between the Squats and the Imperium through access to resources etc. I do wonder whether Squats also represented a threat to the Adeptus Machanicus in the game world and GW didn't want them fulfilling a similar role in supplying technology to the "good guys".

I like the Dwarf archetype and I think GW would have done far better to develop Squats into the pseudo-benevolent small empire race then introduce Tau which are nothing more than a poorly rehashed East Asian aesthetic. I also don't like the PRC undertones to them, it's lazy and uninspired - especially as they are pretty much the only race to obviously be derived from a real life extant culture. Everything else is clearly high fantasy in origin.

Anyway, the Squats have been written out of the background to a large extent. Their role in the Horus Heresy is therefore negligible now I would think. I can't remember what they did when they existed. I imagine they would have supplied the Imperium with arms and technology but probably would have avoided outright conflict with the Heretics. Although you did get Chaos Squats so they may have had a few issues of their own - perhaps they had a few opportunistic chaos cults forming on their fringe asteroids or something!!

blackcherry
30-07-2013, 09:19
The Imperium welcomes them...as guardsmen or some other form of menial role. I suppose if they join the IG they may have a bit more respect afforded them than if they entered the general Imperial population. After all, ab humans don't tend to be treated well.

M@L@L
30-07-2013, 09:22
They welcome them...as guardsmen or some other form of menial role. I suppose if they join the IG they may have a bit more respect afforded them than if they entered the general Imperial population. After all, ab humans don't tend to be treated well.

Then where are our Exo Armored alternates to Storm Troopers, dammit? :(

Edit: Actually, come to think of it, I wouldn't be all too shocked if they were shoehorned into the new guard dex, but in a truly (as you said) menial role. Like a mechanic or something. -.- Meaning the Mechanicus fella gets squatted in return. xD IRONY!

Exorcist
30-07-2013, 09:26
Space Dwarfs = silly!

Space Orks = awesome!

Lothlanathorian
30-07-2013, 09:37
Space Dwarfs = silly!

Space Orks = awesome!

:yes::yes::yes:

M@L@L
30-07-2013, 09:38
Space Dwarfs = silly!

Space Orks = awesome!

Oh... http://www.solegends.com/citrt/rt102spaceorkswd93.htm

blackcherry
30-07-2013, 14:05
Then where are our Exo Armored alternates to Storm Troopers, dammit? :(

Edit: Actually, come to think of it, I wouldn't be all too shocked if they were shoehorned into the new guard dex, but in a truly (as you said) menial role. Like a mechanic or something. -.- Meaning the Mechanicus fella gets squatted in return. xD IRONY!

Well I'm sure most opponents wouldn't mind if you got hold of some and used them as count as, or else just convert the new ratling snipers. They are certainly muscular enough! But yeah, I can see them as a tech priests servant, secretly fixing the mistakes they make and the tech priest and his 'trusty sidekick' getting praise throughout the regiment for machinery that rarely breaks down compared to other regiments :D.

Hmmm, that sounds like the promising start of a new BL series to me...

BigbyWolf
30-07-2013, 14:57
I'm pretty sure the mention squats in the bit where the Space Marines are warming up before fighting each other in the duelling cages.

EDIT: In one of the first books, that is. Where one of the Lunar Wolves duels an Emperors Children chappie.

Personally, I wouldn't think a Space Marine really needs to work on toning that part of his body, perhaps it's just to keep him limber.

Kebert Xela
30-07-2013, 16:37
interesting that they decided to keep the hobbits (ratlings) but do away with the dwarves, not that i liked the squats anyway but still do we really need space halflings?

Menthak
30-07-2013, 18:55
I quite enjoy ratlings, ever since I saw that one of them in the Imperial guard codex has a slice of battenburg cake in his sack. :p

acopp07
31-07-2013, 01:25
'Of his outlandish companions, I have more mixed feelings. The work itself states that the Callidus temple acknowledges the presence upon its roll of infamy a such‐named assassin. Yet in all my years I have never heard of such a request for information producing such an unequivocable result ‐ that the secretive leaders of the assassinsʹ shrines openly would even acknowledge any such query from those outside their order is frankly unbelievable. The Navigatorů well, well we know of old the scorn with which our ʹʹbrothersʹʹ in the Navis Nobilite regard outside enquiries. As to the abhuman, the thread is cut. The accursed hive fleet of the tyranid put paid to that line too long ago. I cannot believe, however, that even a renegade inquisitor, if that is what this Draco really was, would tolerate the presence of such a disgusting mutation.'


Draco in The Inquisition War, pg.20 (there were at least three different versions of Inquisition War; this prologue is from one of the printings after Grimm, the Squat, was de-retconed from being a Techpriest).

In the introduction, Watson notes, 'For some comic relief, as Shakespeare has a fool in the tragedy of King Lear, so I created Grimm the squat. (Subsequently, I understand that tyranids ate all the squats, which is a shame.)'


So it's not entirely myth.

I got a first edition from when i was 9yo ...Im going on 34yo now and it doesnt say anything like that ...If i can dig it out and find the paragraphs ...but i remember specifically how they go on about Grimm fixing things and improving the equipment against the Mechanium's wishes

BigbyWolf
31-07-2013, 16:43
interesting that they decided to keep the hobbits (ratlings) but do away with the dwarves, not that i liked the squats anyway but still do we really need space halflings?

Ratlings were part if the Imperial Guard list, Squats were separate. It's a lot easier to keep one unit than it is an entire army.

Mephisto Dragonbane
05-08-2013, 03:22
ah squats, how we miss you stunty little beings. It's a shame they got cut from the 40k universe but understandable considering they never were a great army.

Bugaboo
05-08-2013, 11:15
Aren't the Demiurg a far better replacement, though? That actually fit into the setting as opposed to Fantasy Dwarves with guns and bikes like the Squats were? Eldar are only similar to elves in appearance and a few things like Khaine, after all, so probably better to separate the two worlds as much as possible.

Kurgan Ironbeard
05-08-2013, 17:41
Squats are in, their machines are present during an alpha legion short story, they just don't go by the name squats any more.

Leftenant Gashrog
05-08-2013, 19:04
Squats never made it into 2nd Edition

Untrue. Squats never got a separate codex, but they had equal coverage in the core rules (both the game box and Dark Millenium) to anyone else and were a fully fieldable army until 3rd edition came along.

blackcherry
06-08-2013, 09:42
Untrue. Squats never got a separate codex, but they had equal coverage in the core rules (both the game box and Dark Millenium) to anyone else and were a fully fieldable army until 3rd edition came along.

Thats true. They are in Codex Imperialis (sp?) as a few units. They never did get their own book though, so it was possible. They were better represented in the old Epic rules.