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Menthak
25-07-2013, 11:53
I'm not sure if this has already been mentioned or if people have noticed on their own, but there was a big worry about the removal of the Imperial guard collectors section, which was a complete nuisance to anyone who collected those regiments. But looking down the list of Imperial Guard troops, the basic squads for Valhallans, Mordians and Steel Legion are back.

No Tallarn though (Besides one officer and Captain Al'Rahem).

Felwether
25-07-2013, 11:59
I'm not sure if this has already been mentioned or if people have noticed on their own, but there was a big worry about the removal of the Imperial guard collectors section, which was a complete nuisance to anyone who collected those regiments. But looking down the list of Imperial Guard troops, the basic squads for Valhallans, Mordians and Steel Legion are back.

No Tallarn though (Besides one officer and Captain Al'Rahem).


I wouldn't consider any of the above regiments obscure. Less common perhaps, but not obscure.

That is good news though and I'm sure plenty of people will be intrigued by the absence of Tallarn troops.

Dryaktylus
25-07-2013, 12:04
You can still order more models here (http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/armySubUnitCats.jsp?catId=cat1490994) and here (http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/armySubUnitCats.jsp?catId=cat1490651&rootCatGameStyle=wh40k) if you don't mind waiting four weeks.

Menthak
25-07-2013, 12:04
That is good news though and I'm sure plenty of people will be intrigued by the absence of Tallarn troops.

My thoughts exactly, possible reboot? (Not getting my hopes up)


I wouldn't consider any of the above regiments obscure. Less common perhaps, but not obscure.

I don't either, it's a little bit of sarcasm over games workshops choice to stop producing these regiments.

Bubble Ghost
25-07-2013, 12:25
I'm sure plenty of people will be intrigued by the absence of Tallarn troops.

Quite. Yes, we know that Tallarn troops are Lawrence of Arabia, not a post-9/11 range inspired by Islamist terrorists, but the mainstream and specialist media alike love to forge a narrative as much as GW do, and most people wouldn't look beyond the surface. And the superficial similarity of the names Tallarn and Taliban certainly wouldn't help.

I'd like to think I'm being overly cynical and that this isn't the reason, but I'd be surprised if they hadn't at least considered it.

Menthak
25-07-2013, 12:41
Quite. Yes, we know that Tallarn troops are Lawrence of Arabia, not a post-9/11 range inspired by Islamist terrorists, but the mainstream and specialist media alike love to forge a narrative as much as GW do, and most people wouldn't look beyond the surface. And the superficial similarity of the names Tallarn and Taliban certainly wouldn't help.

I'd like to think I'm being overly cynical and that this isn't the reason, but I'd be surprised if they hadn't at least considered it.

I wouldn't consider you over cynical, I assumed the same thing when I'd seen the lack of Tallarns, which is a shame, because I like to think the people are smarter

Gossipmeng
25-07-2013, 13:59
Perhaps forge world is finally going to add a 10 man tallarn squad to their IG selection? It would sell a lot better tthan the older metal ones.

Damocles8
25-07-2013, 14:07
Perhaps forge world is finally going to add a 10 man tallarn squad to their IG selection? It would sell a lot better tthan the older metal ones.

FW do have quite a few Tallarn units.....

Menthak
25-07-2013, 14:18
FW do have quite a few Tallarn units.....

Yeah, if you want an entire army of Heavy weapons squads, special weapons squads and rough riders :p

mostlyharmless
25-07-2013, 15:01
Yeah, if you want an entire army of Heavy weapons squads, special weapons squads and rough riders :p

Better than an army of nothing

Leftenant Gashrog
25-07-2013, 15:09
It would sell a lot better than the older metal ones.

Or not. If they were priced in line with the Krieg stuff they'd literally cost twice as much as the metals from GW (37+ 12% postage vs 20.50 with option of free postage), and I don't really see there being much room for them to improve on the look - the metal sculpts are pretty nice.

Dryaktylus
25-07-2013, 15:14
I wouldn't consider you over cynical, I assumed the same thing when I'd seen the lack of Tallarns, which is a shame, because I like to think the people are smarter

GW is far too concerned fighting female nudity to care about the Tallarns. And the hard stuff (human bombs) was gone long ago.

Tallarns are the only "minor" Regiment with FW models and (recently updated) rules. And they're still available, see the links in my post (one of them is hidden on the GW website, but the other is the regular page from the collectors range. The other Regiment boxes in the armies section says nothing about their longevity there - many things have vanished from there over the last months.

Menthak
25-07-2013, 15:17
GW is far too concerned fighting female nudity to care about the Tallarns. And the hard stuff (human bombs) was gone long ago.

Can't say I follow you here :confused:


Tallarns are the only "minor" Regiment with FW models and (recently updated) rules. And they're still available, see the links in my post (one of them is hidden on the GW website, but the other is the regular page from the collectors range. The other Regiment boxes in the armies section says nothing about their longevity there - many things have vanished from there over the last months.

I don't consider any of those regiments minor at all. As for the other regiments remaining, maybe not, they might be gone now, but we can hope

Leftenant Gashrog
25-07-2013, 16:19
Can't say I follow you here :confused:


Daemonettes lost their exposed boobies with the last iteration.

Human bombs disappeared between 1st & 2nd edition.

infamousme
25-07-2013, 17:15
poor poor praetorian guard..... :(

madprophet
26-07-2013, 04:50
Quite. Yes, we know that Tallarn troops are Lawrence of Arabia, not a post-9/11 range inspired by Islamist terrorists
True and they could be comfortable as Kurdish fighters (they were on the coalition's side in Iraq) or any modern Islamic state's military (terrorists are irregulars) - the Iraqi Army, just to pick one, are a regular military with a national command structure and are signatory to the Geneva Convention and are lawful combatants... terrorists are none of those things.


but the mainstream and specialist media alike love to forge a narrative as much as GW do, and most people wouldn't look beyond the surface.
Without disagreeing with you - I don't think anyone would get too worked up over what your toy soldiers looked like. Hell, historical miniatures makers produce lines of terrorists, insurgents and criminals as well as regular military figures from across history. Fer cryin' out loud, you can buy SS troops from a dozen makers - doesn't mean the producers are Nazis or the gamer who builds an SS force is a wannabe war criminal. Those historicals have been available for decades and Geraldo Rivera has yet to do a wargamer expose'!


And the superficial similarity of the names Tallarn and Taliban certainly wouldn't help.
They were Tallarn for 20 years before anyone ever heard of the Taliban... if there is any connection, it has to run the other way and that's hardly GW's fault! It's not like Bin Laden called Nottingham and said, "Hello. I am an international terrorist and I would like to license your war gaming figures and call my group the Tal-iban instead of the Tal-larn... you are okay with this, yes?"



I'd like to think I'm being overly cynical and that this isn't the reason, but I'd be surprised if they hadn't at least considered it.
No, I think it was more a matter of the accounting department saying, "I say, my good fellows, it's wonderful that you lot are all so very clever but since the 9/11 attacks and even moreso since the 7/7 attacks on the London Metro people just don't seem to be into Arabian looking toy soldiers... not sure why... but it is SUCH a bother to keep them in stock and we DO lose money on them after accounting for inventory and opportunity costs. Terribly sorry, lads, but we must insist you stop spending money on this line - stock holder profits, fiduciary responsibilities and all that rubbish. We in accounting are sure you understand. Pip pip, cheerio and all that. Now off you go, back to work..."

Menthak
26-07-2013, 13:09
True and they could be comfortable as Kurdish fighters (they were on the coalition's side in Iraq) or any modern Islamic state's military (terrorists are irregulars) - the Iraqi Army, just to pick one, are a regular military with a national command structure and are signatory to the Geneva Convention and are lawful combatants... terrorists are none of those things.


Without disagreeing with you - I don't think anyone would get too worked up over what your toy soldiers looked like. Hell, historical miniatures makers produce lines of terrorists, insurgents and criminals as well as regular military figures from across history. Fer cryin' out loud, you can buy SS troops from a dozen makers - doesn't mean the producers are Nazis or the gamer who builds an SS force is a wannabe war criminal. Those historicals have been available for decades and Geraldo Rivera has yet to do a wargamer expose'!


They were Tallarn for 20 years before anyone ever heard of the Taliban... if there is any connection, it has to run the other way and that's hardly GW's fault! It's not like Bin Laden called Nottingham and said, "Hello. I am an international terrorist and I would like to license your war gaming figures and call my group the Tal-iban instead of the Tal-larn... you are okay with this, yes?"



No, I think it was more a matter of the accounting department saying, "I say, my good fellows, it's wonderful that you lot are all so very clever but since the 9/11 attacks and even moreso since the 7/7 attacks on the London Metro people just don't seem to be into Arabian looking toy soldiers... not sure why... but it is SUCH a bother to keep them in stock and we DO lose money on them after accounting for inventory and opportunity costs. Terribly sorry, lads, but we must insist you stop spending money on this line - stock holder profits, fiduciary responsibilities and all that rubbish. We in accounting are sure you understand. Pip pip, cheerio and all that. Now off you go, back to work..."

For the Talliban/Tallarn crap, you've got to remember some people assumed that Barrack Obama had terrorist links because of his name.

Also, I understand that you can buy terrorists or members of the SS from other companies, but Warhammer40k is usually aimed at a younger audience, not historical players, so I could still see people flipping for no good reason.

T10
26-07-2013, 17:58
It seems to me that these old-timey regiments need some plastic love. One reason People buy Cadians and Catachans... Well. They've got the plastics.

-T10

Menthak
26-07-2013, 18:02
It seems to me that these old-timey regiments need some plastic love. One reason People buy Cadians and Catachans... Well. They've got the plastics.

-T10

Agreed, my first regiment of choice was the Tallarns, the only thing turning me away was the age of the models and the lack of customization.

Dryaktylus
26-07-2013, 18:28
It seems to me that these old-timey regiments need some plastic love. One reason People buy Cadians and Catachans... Well. They've got the plastics.

While true, Tallarns (and Mordians) are rather specific and not everyones taste when he wants to start an IG army - I guess plastic Steel Legion or even Valhallans would sell better.


For the Talliban/Tallarn crap, you've got to remember some people assumed that Barrack Obama had terrorist links because of his name.

I guess this kind of people have the least problems with WARgames.;)

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T10
26-07-2013, 19:16
Yup. The Cadians fill the role of "generic future infantry" neatly and in their blandness are ultimately the most versatile.

-T10

madprophet
26-07-2013, 19:53
My 7500 point IG force is based on Valhallans - I would love it if GW did plastic Valhallan figures, but I am using bits from the Cadian line as well as Wargames Factory Greatcoats and some female heads/torsos from MicroMark to convert some additional reinforcements.

And funny enough, despite the fact my IG army are space Soviets - I am not a Communist (or even a liberal)

Commotionpotion
26-07-2013, 21:04
This is just speculation on my part, but I wonder how easily it would be to do a Tallarn/Valhallan dual-purpose plastic kit?

I say this because these two regiments and the Attilan Rough Riders have the only Special Characters in the Codex not currently associated with either the Cadians or Catachans. I'm betting that in any hypothetical Guard reissue, there'll be plastic Rough Riders - probably still based on the 'Mongolian Steppe Warriors' image as most worlds that produce these regiments are noted for being wild places.

If the designs were slightly recast, I could see multi-kits for Valhallans and Tallarns - assuming they went for a long, sweeping robed look for the Tallarns (very Lawrence of Arabia) and alternate heads with fur hats or keffiyeh/shemagh components, it might be doable.

Bubble Ghost
26-07-2013, 23:18
They were Tallarn for 20 years before anyone ever heard of the Taliban... if there is any connection, it has to run the other way and that's hardly GW's fault! It's not like Bin Laden called Nottingham and said, "Hello. I am an international terrorist and I would like to license your war gaming figures and call my group the Tal-iban instead of the Tal-larn... you are okay with this, yes?"

You don't have to convince me.

BigDuke6
27-07-2013, 13:13
Quite. Yes, we know that Tallarn troops are Lawrence of Arabia, not a post-9/11 range inspired by Islamist terrorists, but the mainstream and specialist media alike love to forge a narrative as much as GW do, and most people wouldn't look beyond the surface. And the superficial similarity of the names Tallarn and Taliban certainly wouldn't help.

I'd like to think I'm being overly cynical and that this isn't the reason, but I'd be surprised if they hadn't at least considered it.

I agree with you

Lord Damocles
27-07-2013, 13:58
Turbans: Bad

Dead baby cherubim, mountains of skulls, and contempt for human life: Yeah, that's fine.

:shifty:

Bubble Ghost
27-07-2013, 14:09
Turbans: Bad

Dead baby cherubim, mountains of skulls, and contempt for human life: Yeah, that's fine.

:shifty:

I don't think anyone's saying it isn't stupid.

Luffwaffle
27-07-2013, 14:36
With the new apocalypse book and it's focus on the Armageddeon campaign I'm hoping for plastic steel legion when the IG gets updated.

Caiphas Cain
27-07-2013, 14:55
I should really pick up some more Vostroyans before they're gone. And maybe some 28mm T34s from Warlord to accompany them. :evilgrin:

Chem-Dog
27-07-2013, 19:31
.... if you don't mind waiting four weeks.

Just Wanted to say, I ordered some "ships within 4 weeks" stuff (though not IG) online last Monday, it was in my local GW by Thursday. So 4 weeks is the maximum you have to wait if you manage to order a hole in their supplies.

For what it's worth.