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ash1
12-08-2013, 05:19
Hey there my wife and I are just getting into Warhammer Fantasy and we are playing Skaven and Wood Elves. We both have purchased a few single figures each to get started. Was curious which books and materials we need to get fully started. We cant really afford a starter kit so we are wanting to do it piece by piece in the next few weeks. Any advice would be most appreciated. We are looking to use the ebay or online route to save money on whatever items, books, figures etc are needed so any input would be most appreciated. I am at a lost for which books and such to get and the amount of dice, templates etc. So thanks in advance for any and all help.

Windelov
12-08-2013, 06:07
Welcome to the hobby. The starter kit is a good, and actually cheap, way to get started; so save for it and trade the high elves for some wood elves (or use the high elves as proxies for wood elves). Besides the starter kit, youll need the two army books, one for each army. As both have been out for some time, a cheap buy on ebay , perhaps including some models, should be possible.

Good luck :)

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outbreak
12-08-2013, 06:39
you'll need to watch ebay for a wood elf rule book and a skaven rule book. Before buying either compare the photo on the cover with the one GW are selling on their website as some people will sell older edition rule books with the tag line as current.

You should be on the look out for a warhammer 8th edition rule book, there's mini ones from the starter box on ebay frequently, again compare it's cover picture to GW's to make sure it's the correct edition (should have a flaming warhammer picture on it).

For dice look out for the games workshop dice cubes, they are a big plastic cube container full of dice and will include all the dice you need, for templates maybe try looking on ebay for a warhammer template set. You should get 3 of them, one big round one, one smaller round one and one tear drop shaped one.

You'll also need a tape measure that measures in inches, any will do but GW sell one too.

That's all you'll really need to get started with, for whoevers playing skaven I'd recommend looking for a skaven island of blood set, lots of people split them up on ebay and sell just the skaven, a couple of them is a good start as you'll need a lot of slaves/clanrats and it's cheaper than the battalion sets I think your talking about. For wood elves you can also find them pretty cheap on ebay these days due to their book being outdated.

For low points for either army I'd probably focus on just picking up some core (island of blood for skaven again) and maybe a special unit for some fun, the expensive monsters can come later imo when you move to bigger games.


I guess your just starting and will be making fun little lists but if your being more competetive to be honest skaven are probably the toughest army right now with wood elves being the weakest so the skaven player will need to keep this in mind when making lists or else your games will be very one sided.

If your starting small you may want to look at some warbands rules (or just house rule it) they allow you to use a champion as your general and do some other things to balance it out at lower points values but that's up to you if you want to go that way.

If your unsure on anything your thinking of buying you can always post here or pm me as I imagine it'd suck pretty hard if you buy something only to find out it isn't the right edition or something. In terms of models though it doesn't matter if they are older edition if you like how they look, you can also find old clanrats and glade guard for cheap on ebay

Lord Solar Plexus
12-08-2013, 11:55
The advice given so far is helpful, much more so than what I am going to say but I think it needs to be said: If you can't even afford the starter kit, I don't think this is the right game for you. The two army books cost again as much, then there's the additional models and all the other stuff on top, and then out comes a new edition...just a thing to consider beforehand.

On the other hand, the set provides you with rulers, templates, a rule set and a box of dice, so you actually don't need to buy all of that separately.

outbreak
12-08-2013, 22:58
The advice given so far is helpful, much more so than what I am going to say but I think it needs to be said: If you can't even afford the starter kit, I don't think this is the right game for you. The two army books cost again as much, then there's the additional models and all the other stuff on top, and then out comes a new edition...just a thing to consider beforehand.

On the other hand, the set provides you with rulers, templates, a rule set and a box of dice, so you actually don't need to buy all of that separately.

as poster, if you are really strapped for cash you may want to look at mordheim another cheap skirmish game (i like saga but that isn't the warhammer world). Mordheim uses warbands (like 6-12ish models) and you can get the rules for free via a pdf from gws specialist section (i think their still there). There's also regiment of reknown rules which are more in line with the current warhammer edition but not having played it myself it looks a lot less in depth and fun then mordheim or full warhammer

yeknoMehT
13-08-2013, 08:55
I'd second the Mordheim suggestion - the game is much more suited to a small number of models. If in the future you have a few more models collected and want to expand into WFB it's pretty easy (although the rules are different, since Mordheim is based on an older version of WFB rules). This also gives GW a chance to hopefully re-release the army books for one or both of your armies.

While I don't think either of them are on the horizon, there'd be nothing worse than spending your sparse cash on army books that then become redundant (and worst of all, the new ones are more expensive).

ash1
18-08-2013, 20:25
Thanks for all the informative replies much appreciated! As per the game my wife and I plan to just slowly build up our armies and supplies books, templates, die etc. over time and plus we are taking our time painting the few units we do have so it works out. But I was going to ask since I plan on going the ebay route or perhaps a seller on here can someone inform me of the size of a unit for legal game play? The books will be the last thing we buy as they seem to be the most expensive so I don't know the rules. But I have found some older rulebooks for quite cheap or is it best to get the newst edition and what is the Read this first book from IOB I have found that cheap aswell. Also what type of units Skaven and Wood Elf should I be looking for on eBay since im buying most individually. I have a Skaven Warlord, engineer and musician so far and my wife has a Wood Elf Seer. I am just curious if you need one hero ala the seer and warlord then backup units. If anyone can enlighten me or possibly has any items available that may help me get started please let me know. I do have Paypal. Thanks again for all the continued help!!!

boli
19-08-2013, 00:19
Would start at 1k, for a full game, 500 is possible but it can be... Annoying.

ash1
19-08-2013, 00:36
So what kind of units am I looking for our respective armies, based on what I posted we already have which isn't much.

boli
19-08-2013, 18:39
Skaven: pretty much everything but night runners and special characters are viable.

Wood elves: If it has a bow or is part tree it is viable at least in some play styles.

In both cases the battalion are a decent purchase as you'll end up using most, if not all of the units.

Valaraukar
19-08-2013, 22:56
So what kind of units am I looking for our respective armies, based on what I posted we already have which isn't much.

I think what you are struggling with not having the rules available to you is what must be included in a valid army.

This game is mostly about units supported / led by heroes. You each have a character, which is essential as you must include one to be your general but you must also include certain units.

In Warhammer in terms of army building units are broken down into core, special and rare. Characters are broken down into heroes and lords and all of these are assigned a points value to allow you to build an army to an agreed total for even sides and to show the relative worth of one unit to another.

To build an army you must include a character to be your general and at least 25% of the points value of your army must be spent on core units, with a maximum of 25% on heroes, 25% on lords, 50% on special and 25% on rare. You must also include at least three units.

So for a starting force of say 500 points your existing characters would serve you perfectly well as generals making sure to keep their points value with any equipment to less than 25% (125 points). You would need at least 125 points of core units so for skaven this would be slaves, clan rats (and weapons teams), stormvermin, giant rats, night runners etc. for wood elves glade guard, glade riders, eternal guard and possibly dryads (don't have the book in front of me). Then you can add whatever units you like up to your agreed points value keeping within the %age restrictions laid out above and making sure to include at least three units.

So a list might look something like (please note the points values are just for example and are rough estimates):

Wood Elf 500 point list:

Heroes:

Wood Elf Spellsinger + equipment 105 points - 21%

Core:

10 Dryads + command group 130 points

10 Glade guard 100 points

Core Total 230 points - 46%

Special:

3 Treekin 165 points - 33%

Total 500 points - 100%

Skaven 500 point list:

Heroes:

Chieftain + equipment 90 points 18%

Core:

20 Slaves 40 points

20 clan rats with spears, shields and command group 120 points

6 giant rats + packmaster 30 points

Core Total 190 points - 38%

Special:

4 rat ogres + 2 packmasters 170 points

5 gutter runners 50 points

Special Total 220 points - 44%

Total 500 points - 100%

If playing larger games there are a couple of other restrictions you need to be aware of, in games up to 2999 points you may only include up to 3 of each type of special unit and 2 of each type of rare unit in larger games these limits are doubled to 6 and 4 respectively.

Hope that helps clarify the sorts of units you'll need and how to build a list. As others have said the island of blood starter set is actually very good value for this if you can get it at a discount or second hand even better. It includes many of the skaven units you'll need a mini rulebook which has all of the basic characteristics of units for all races, dice, templates etc. and then you can ebay the high elves to fund some wood elves for your Wife.

Any more questions just post back on here and someone will help you.