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stroller
14-09-2013, 16:16
Hi all.

This is NOT a price discussion - that's already happening elsewhere.

Ignore the price.

If you could - would you have it?

Do you WANT it?

I think it's cool. I'll never buy it, but I want it, and it's very cool.

Marshal_Loss
14-09-2013, 16:22
If by 'if you could' you mean 'if you had limitless money', yeah, sure I'd do an entire Space Marine chapter ;)

Thornea
14-09-2013, 16:25
As I posted in previous thread, im concerned that GW have changed or will change the "official" makeup of companies within the chapter (see pics on GW's website theres 1 for each company). Don't want to have to change squads to fit in expensive Centurion squads (that I don't like). I know that even if GW did change the official makeup I didn't have to make the change, but I like to have whats current.

Having said that, owning an entire chapter would be cool but all at once?? nope. Slow buildup of companies using ebay 2nd hand models is best way imo and a few days soaking in Dettol to strip the paint.
So far I have the 2nd and 4th battle companies complete and am currently assembling the 8th assault company. I also have nearly 70% of the scout and 1st company ready but all that's taken me about 2 years to collect and paint so far. Hopefully, 1 day. I will have the complete chapter :D

yabbadabba
14-09-2013, 16:40
I'd love to do it. I don't care that GW will change things in the future, as for gaming purposes you would have more than enough to cover that change. But for the sheer kudos of owning it, and completing it as a project, yup I'd love to.

I already have 3 companies of Marines as it is. At this rate it will be a life long project to get them all assembled and painted, but it does feel kind of happy-silly to know all that is upstairs waiting to be finished!

Thommy H
14-09-2013, 16:41
As I posted in previous thread, im concerned that GW have changed or will change the "official" makeup of companies within the chapter (see pics on GW's website theres 1 for each company). Don't want to have to change squads to fit in expensive Centurion squads (that I don't like). I know that even if GW did change the official makeup I didn't have to make the change, but I like to have whats current.


Space Marines are capable of using a variety of equipment depending on the required battlefield role - Assault Squads sometimes ride bikes, for example. Centurions are piloted by members of Assault and Devastator Squads. Nothing's changed in the Codex organisation. The background for Centurions is pretty explicit about this.

And, on topic, I can't imagine anyone will buy it, but I think it's a fun little stunt. I mean, why not? If someone has that kind of money lying around and is willing to spend it on toys, might as well let them.

Xuri-n
14-09-2013, 16:45
If I could, Maybe, its not the money really more the sheer numbers (47 Rhinos....) I've done hoards, they nearly killed me mentally,
I already have a full battle company (2nd being repainted to 5th), plus support units so I doubt I'd want to paint them as Ultras, and having picked up my new codex today I'll be seeing how much I can shoe horn into a 1500 point list soon.

Mudkip
14-09-2013, 16:55
As I posted in previous thread, im concerned that GW have changed or will change the "official" makeup of companies within the chapter (see pics on GW's website theres 1 for each company). Don't want to have to change squads to fit in expensive Centurion squads (that I don't like). I know that even if GW did change the official makeup I didn't have to make the change, but I like to have whats current.


Space Marine companies have always had multiple configurations. For instance, the Assault Squads can be fielded as jump troops, transported in Rhinos or Razorbacks, carried in drop ships (with or without jump packs) or Drop Pods, bikers, Land Speeder pilots and gunners, or as Centurions as circumstances require. In that sense GW haven't really changed anything (besides adding Centurions as an option). If you don't field any Centurions then that isn't 'wrong' in any way at all since they are just one of several options.

Mortimer
14-09-2013, 17:11
would be better if they did a RG one.. yes UM is their poster boys.. It's just bland

Fizzy
14-09-2013, 17:29
Wow really..

No I would not buy it. Dont like GW models and all those models would make me go crazy. Now if FW did a Full legion army I would be glad to buy it :D

jceresa2
14-09-2013, 17:42
Some of the extras sound kind of cool but I wouldn't want all the models at once like that. I have enough that isn't built yet sitting on the modeling table.

wyvirn
14-09-2013, 18:06
"Every Warhammer 40,000 hobbyist dreams of owning a complete Chapter of Space Marines... "

I think this sums up the entire marketing strategy for all of 40k, unfortunately.

Nymie_the_Pooh
14-09-2013, 18:07
I should probably start by stating that I don't pay retail directly to GW for anything unless it's individual stuff that is direct only. I figure GW prices their product to what they deem to be a fair profit for sale through retailers and I'd rather see that money go to my local shop which provides me with additional services if I am going to pay the retail price. I have yet to buy a single one click sale offer from them and am unlikely to ever do so.

That said, the words out of my mouth when I saw this were, "[EXPLETIVE]! That's cool!" Yes, I would snatch this up if money were no object.

Inquisitor Shego
14-09-2013, 18:17
A) No, I would not like to store it all
B) No, I would not like to pay for it all
C) No, I would not like to snip it all from the sprues
D) No, I would not like to shave off all those mold lines
E) No, I would not like to paint it all
F) No, I would probably never get a game to play it all
G) By the time I finish it, 9th Ed Space Marines will be out, those models will be old fashioned or obsolete, I'd be missing new units, and back to square one :p

It is pretty cool, and if I had a magic wand to just voila, own a marine chapter fully painted, you bet I'd go for it. Alas, no. Way too much time, money, and space for me to even contemplate.

Telemachus
14-09-2013, 18:20
If I had the money to buy this and get it painted for me, I'd buy it in a heartbeat.

There's some cool stuff in there, the signed Codex and Index Astartes being the highlights.

Blinder
14-09-2013, 18:48
I kind of agree with Shego... *having* it would certainly be nifty, but *assembling* it would kill any part of me that was alive after the repercussions of *paying* for it.

All at once, at least.

S_A_T_S
14-09-2013, 18:57
If I had the sort of cash to blow on a product like this, I'd get it right now! Then I'd send my chauffeur to pick it up himself and bring it back to my mansion to be assembled in the custom built gaming hall on my extensive estate by an elite cadre of sculpture and design students hired from the university, painted by the crack team of golden daemon winning painters recruited from across the world, then displayed in custom built and lit glass cabinets in their own display room, possibly installing a lift to make transporting them too and from the gaming hall easier for my servants, who would of course be outfitted with specialist gloves so they won't damage the paint work when they move the models across the battlefield to my orders as I play. Of course, that's all if I had the sort of money that would justify buying that many plastic toy soldiers in one go...

Ssilmath
14-09-2013, 19:00
It's taken me the better part of a year to paint a Battle Company (Still not done), would take me forever to paint a full chapter even if I bought it in one go. But if I were independently wealthy I'd spring for it. Since that isn't likely to happen anytime soon, it remains a fun gimmick and nothing more.

BrianC
14-09-2013, 19:07
After many years I nearly have the full "core" chapter. I say core because I don't want or need that number of techmarines, servitors, rhinos etc. I'm on my last push to add in the remaining ~300 marines (half done) and 10 vehicles. So I would say yes however it is an horrendous investment of time to build and paint, I'd probably outsource as much of the work as I could afford.

Grand Master Raziel
14-09-2013, 20:42
I think I would not. At what point would I ever get a chance to use them all at once? Where would I put them?

Maybe if I owned a gaming store and could set them up on a display table, also useable as any number of store armies for occasions that call for one. But just as a regular Joe-average gamer, no, unless I got them for free and could turn them over on eBay.

Chivs
14-09-2013, 20:45
I think a Battle Company is large enough for a Space Marine army, which can then be supported with other units and vehicles. In my case, Deathwing, Ravenwing and a few assorted vehicles. I wouldn't want to start a second company, let alone an entire Chapter.
Echoing what others have said, it would be a lovely thing to have, but not something I'd actually like to work on. In that respect, it's like a Phd!

Azazel
14-09-2013, 21:03
Just bought one.

Hrw-Amen
14-09-2013, 22:01
Well I have three companies, two normal and one assault and about half of a first company. I had been adding bits and pieces every now and then but have not bought anything for months now. I may work on it again.

I love the models, converting stuff, especially tanks, but I really do not like painting. However all I have so far is painted as for me an army is not ready to be used unless it is painted.

So would I like a whole chapter? Yes sure as long as someone else painted it for me. I'd put it together quite happily, but painting that many models in one go would be a real killer for me, I just would be bored stupid.

As i said i probably will slowly build on what I have but over years, not just all at once. So maybe one day I will have enough?

Dooks Dizzo
14-09-2013, 22:03
Just bought one.

You're a mad hero!
Did you buy several people to help you build and paint it :)

cpl_hicks
14-09-2013, 22:23
Is it bad that I have enough money to buy 2 of these :D

People always say GW doesn't give discounts, but I worked out before that it would cost 1500 more to get some similar (yes I know it's not a direct comparison)

Using Lexicanum Ultramarines Chapter Disposition (http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Ultramarines#Chapter_Disposition) it would cost at least 8,500.90 to get you near to an Ultramarines chapter. This does not include light tanks and land speeders, and also includes some duplicates.

Quantity Item(s) Total
1 1st Company Veterans 663.50
1 Chief Librarian Tigurius 11.00
6 Librarius 318.00
7 Marneus Calgar and Honour Guard 262.50
1 Masters of the Chapter 118.00
1 Scout Company 324.00
90 Servitors with Multi-melta 900.00
13 Space Marine Apothecary with Chainsword 123.50
4 Space Marine Battle Company 1,648.00
12 Space Marine Land Raider 540.00
1 Space Marine Land Raider Crusader/Redeemer 45.00
25 Space Marine Predator 875.00
1 Space Marine Reserve Company (Assault) 539.50
1 Space Marine Reserve Company (Devastator) 448.00
2 Space Marine Reserve Company (Tactical) 713.40
27 Space Marine Techmarine 351.00
1 Space Marine Techmarine with Servitors 25.50
8 Space Marine Vindicator 280.00
9 Space Marine Whirlwind 315.00
8,500.90


I wonder what will happen at GW when they see 8,500.90 worth of stuff sat in a checkout on the webstore :skull:

lovero
14-09-2013, 23:35
A full chapter takes less space than you would think, only the cases in the blue boxes are part of it. Building that amount is not a problem just accept it will take a long time as for painting i do it a company at a time, I am currently working on the 9th company it was undercoated 9 months ago and is still not finished. I play company size games all the time and manage to use every thing a few times now.

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the42jup
14-09-2013, 23:37
I would love to own a fully painted, based, boarded, etc chapter....doing the work to get there, not so much.

ForgottenLore
15-09-2013, 00:38
Just bought one.

You gotta show us pictures when it arrives. Totally want to see all those boxes and sprues.

cpl_hicks
15-09-2013, 01:03
I second forgottenlaw

Ullis
15-09-2013, 01:08
I cannot afford it, but it would be great to own an entire chapter.

Retrospectus
15-09-2013, 01:41
Wow really..

No I would not buy it. Dont like GW models and all those models would make me go crazy. Now if FW did a Full legion army I would be glad to buy it :D

Anyone else shudder at the thought of assembling and painting 10,000 (or more!) forgeworld marine?

Fizzy
15-09-2013, 02:02
Anyone else shudder at the thought of assembling and painting 10,000 (or more!) forgeworld marine?

Well it would be a mix of vehicles and marines+ the primarch :D Most legions at the start of Heresy were between 50.000-250 000 :)

IcedAnimals
15-09-2013, 02:06
It would be awesome to own but I could never paint that many things. I have models I bought over a year ago that are still on my assembly line.

ForgottenLore
15-09-2013, 02:27
It would be awesome to own but I could never paint that many things. I have models I bought over a year ago that are still on my assembly line.

HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa.....

I have models I bought 25 YEARS ago still waiting to be painted.


As for the whole chapter thing. I think it is mostly a stunt to get people talking, to get people excited. Just the news of it got a friend of mine excited to do stuff with his marines again.

For myself, no, I probably wouldn't buy it even if I had the money. I want to collect a whole chapter, but part of the satisfaction of doing so is working toward it, collecting it piecemeal, crossing each squad and company off the list as it gets done. Just buying the whole thing in one go would feel kind of like cheating.

YourChapterMaster
15-09-2013, 03:11
I am gonna say no. I have the first and 2nd company's in their entirety and its is rough to play apoc with, and I would never play with more then I can manage by myself. HAND OFF THE GOODS!

Gorbad Ironclaw
15-09-2013, 05:41
It sounds like a fantastic way to get completely disheartened and overwhelmed by lots and lots and lots of unassembled and unpainted plastic bits. Not to mention that I couldn't possibly have any practical use for it and so no reason or desire to get it. I think I'll give it a pass, even if I could effortless afford it. It's just more considerably more off-putting than enticing.

JustTony
15-09-2013, 05:48
No, no real interest in owning an entire Chapter, even as OCD as I am. And certainly not Ultras. Dark Angles, maybe, but only if I won the Lottery. While the payout was over $300 mil.

And I wouldn't have to worry about getting divorced. SWMBO (She Who Must Be Obeyed) would shot my a$$ dead, bang. And if she got a female jury, she'd probably walk, since they'd buy the argument that I was too dumb to be allowed to live. :eek:

MajorWesJanson
15-09-2013, 06:15
It sounds like a fantastic way to get completely disheartened and overwhelmed by lots and lots and lots of unassembled and unpainted plastic bits. Not to mention that I couldn't possibly have any practical use for it and so no reason or desire to get it. I think I'll give it a pass, even if I could effortless afford it. It's just more considerably more off-putting than enticing.

Honestly, I am already near that point. I have a ton of unpainted/partially painted models, and a few unassembled ones, more than I could really ever play with at once, but it's not demoralizing. There's always something I can work on.

I love building models, not so much with the painting.

If I had that kind of money and had to spend it only on GW models, though, I'd grab a bunch of the new marine kits, but then spend a lot of it on more Tau stuff probably. Maybe more IG and Dark Eldar as well.

destroyerlord
15-09-2013, 06:32
It sounds like a fantastic way to get completely disheartened and overwhelmed by lots and lots and lots of unassembled and unpainted plastic bits. Not to mention that I couldn't possibly have any practical use for it and so no reason or desire to get it. I think I'll give it a pass, even if I could effortless afford it. It's just more considerably more off-putting than enticing.

I second this sentiment. If money was no object then time and motivation would be. I haven't even painted my 2000 point Iron Warriors army, let alone a company of marines. A whole chapter is beyond thinking for me.

lbecks
15-09-2013, 07:15
What GW is offering? No, since it doesn't offer any exclusive models.

Evilhomer
15-09-2013, 11:50
Never in a million years would I contemplate collecting an entire chapter - the sheer amount of time it would take to assemble and paint that many marines would turn me off them. Marines are my favourite army, but I still have models from 3rd edition which I need to get around to painting. Would you ever be able to use them in a game? Probably not...so...other than a huge exercise in vanity (look how big my wallet is) there really is no point in owning an entire chapter. I'd rather have 10 marines painted to the best of my ability, than 50 marines quickly painted, 260 assembled but not undercoated, and a horde of unassembled plastic.

That's even before considering the price. I assume because it's one of these one-click bundle things that they charge you full retail price and you don't get any discount at all. If that's the case then you would be incredibly foolish to blow 7k+ on that. If you really had to buy a chapter, it would be more efficient to hire out a small industrial unit for a month, claim you're setting up a games store, get a trade account and then get the chapter for significantly less.

If you want to collect a chapter.... and want to be able to potentially use it in a game....play epic!

Importman
15-09-2013, 12:09
Yes why not. I can just add to the mountains of stuff awaiting assembly and painting.

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Freman Bloodglaive
15-09-2013, 12:17
I think there is actually a little discount involved, but seriously? I already have about a company's worth of power armour (or more), and half a company each of bikes and terminators, along with tanks and dreadnoughts to paint, and God knows I'm terrible at setting aside time to paint. A thousand models? Sweet Fanny Adams. I'd never get them done.

Like others in this thread, I have models dating back to second edition, still in blisters that I'll probably never paint.

Kijamon
15-09-2013, 12:41
You must be able to set up a trade account and buy this cheaper than paying the gw price?

Harwammer
15-09-2013, 13:38
Echoing the sentiments of many, owning a full chapter of space marines is a dream, but the work in storing/assembling/painting the lot would be crushing. For me it would be a better product if the majority of bolter armed marines were the snap-fit guys. That would save a lot of work but still result in my full chapter.

Stepping away from dreams, I have considered buying/assembling/painting a full company of marines for 40k; I can see a game of this size being pretty good fun. Realistically I think a chapter would work better using Epic models.

rabblerouser
15-09-2013, 13:45
My question is - do you get the new tactical squads or the old?

Mortimer
15-09-2013, 15:08
My question is - do you get the new tactical squads or the old?

considering the offer i'd say that it will be a mixture.. need to get rid of old stock and enough of the new stuff to keep you sweet

Commissar Merces
15-09-2013, 15:35
Just bought one.

Pics or it didn't happen.

Spider-pope
15-09-2013, 16:49
If i had the money to waste, i'd buy one in a heartbeat. Don't care how geeky it makes me, or if people would consider me GW's bitch, i have dreamed of owning a complete chapter since i started the hobby. Heck in an ideal world i'd buy this collection and a few Thunderhawks from Forgeworld to go with it.

Any millionaires out there who want to fulfill my dreams, please get in touch.

The bearded one
15-09-2013, 17:00
That's even before considering the price. I assume because it's one of these one-click bundle things that they charge you full retail price and you don't get any discount at all.

Apparently there's something like 1500 discount on it.


I would never buy it, even if I had the money and a labour force of professional painters to paint it for me, because I just wouldn't ever fully use it, it wouldn't even fit on a gaming table and it'd be impossible to transport the whole force to a store, other person's house or wherever you might find enough space on the table. If I'd want a large marine force I'd want a company with a couple scouts at most. 1000 marines is just not practical and overkill. You're only likely to use the whole army once in your lifetime. Perhaps if you had a group of 10-20 friends and decided you'd all like a company or half-company it might be something to consider. First you gotta find that dozen marine players willing to shell out the money.

Darnok
15-09-2013, 17:12
Apparently there's something like €1500 discount on it.

... which you could double, when buying from one of the online stores giving you 20% discount. That's even taking into account that there are some MO items in there.

Anybody claiming that this "deal" is something reasonable is delusional.

Grocklock
15-09-2013, 18:11
... which you could double, when buying from one of the online stores giving you 20% discount. That's even taking into account that there are some MO items in there.

Anybody claiming that this "deal" is something reasonable is delusional.

I was unaware that you could get signed books from your local store. This is genius by gw. It doesn't cost them anything to do if no one buys it they have not lost anything. But if they do and someone here has the they are up loads.

Darnok
15-09-2013, 18:13
I was unaware that you could get signed books from your local store.

You do have a point there. It comes down to wether those signed books are worth 1 to 2 grand for you though. ;)

shaw3029
15-09-2013, 18:25
It's not the cost its the time required to make and paint it all. And you would never get a game with the whole company. If you could do the battle of mccragge well that would be pretty cool.

I'd like a company at some point and you can get a game together.

Ramius4
15-09-2013, 18:32
You do have a point there. It comes down to wether those signed books are worth 1 to 2 grand for you though. ;)

Signed by who? Unless they opened up a magic portal to the 40K universe and has the actual Roboute Guilliman sign them, those signatures aren't worth a single cent to me :p

Anyways, would I buy one if I were rich? Sure, and I'd have it assembled and painted by people I paid to do so. Then I'd keep a company for myself and bring the rest down to a gaming store where I could donate the other 9 companies to some kids.

The bearded one
15-09-2013, 19:28
Signed by who? Unless they opened up a magic portal to the 40K universe and has the actual Roboute Guilliman sign them, those signatures aren't worth a single cent to me :p.

Is Roboute Guilliman your...

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Spiritual liege?

Voss
15-09-2013, 20:13
It is rather neat. Not particularly practical in most cases, but whatever- toy soldier hobby isn't exactly practical on first principles.

Ramius4
15-09-2013, 20:24
Is Roboute Guilliman your...

(•_•)
( •_•)>⌐■-■
(⌐■_■)

Spiritual liege?

Lol, not so much. But who wouldn't want an autograph (from anyone, even a bum) from an alternate universe?

Harwammer
15-09-2013, 20:50
Lol, not so much. But who wouldn't want an autograph (from anyone, even a bum) from an alternate universe?

Fool! 40k is a warning message from the future! Sadly it is commonly mistaken for a fictional work that gives young men (and old women!) an excuse to game with one another.

Clearly you are a foul agent of the dark gods!

Grocklock
15-09-2013, 21:02
You do have a point there. It comes down to wether those signed books are worth 1 to 2 grand for you though. ;)

Exactly my brother stood in line at comacon to get a autograph from general Vera's. from Star Wars. Ment alot to him and he was happy to play the money.

But to me it doesn't mean alot.

But apart from the models u also get:

Alongside the entire Chapter of Space Marines you'll also receive a signed copy of Codex: Space Marines; a signed copy of Insignium Astartes (the definitive guide to the heraldries and squad markings of the Ultramarines); a full Chapter organisation chart; a breakdown of the composition of each of the 10 companies; a signed art print of the Codex: Space Marines book cover; and a signed art print of Paul Dainton's painting of the Ultramarines assembled for battle.

These products are not avalible anywhere else and my not appeal to everyone. But I didn't think the limited edition codexs would sell out but they did.

stroller
15-09-2013, 22:36
Thanks for all the responses guys.

My gut feel on reading is a summary of "yeah cool...but not realistic". I quite like the fact that it ISN'T realistic.

Mortimer
15-09-2013, 23:05
Thanks for all the responses guys.

My gut feel on reading is a summary of "yeah cool...but not realistic". I quite like the fact that it ISN'T realistic.

7k is a car.

even if you do spend 7k on the hobby, that will be over many a year.

As others have pointed out in this thread, if you could afford to get this deal, you can afford to have a more productive use for the money hobby wise.

williamsond
15-09-2013, 23:08
Painting a chapter would burn me out, i think it would make me stop painting. In the last 25 tears of gaming I've painted a company twice and each time its almost broken me with the repetitive nature of the project. So I have to say no, not even if i had the spare few grand.

Gaius Castus
15-09-2013, 23:11
This offer demonstrates pretty well how completely out of touch GW is with the average hobbyist.

Ssilmath
15-09-2013, 23:23
This offer demonstrates pretty well how completely out of touch GW is with the average hobbyist.

Pretty sure this isn't meant to sell to the average hobbyist.

Surgency
15-09-2013, 23:24
This offer demonstrates pretty well how completely out of touch GW is with the average hobbyist.

I may not be the smartest guy on the planet, but something (I'm honestly not sure what) tells me that this may not exactly be for "the average hobbyist." Call it a hunch and all...


Pretty sure this isn't meant to sell to the average hobbyist.

Damn you Ssilmath. You beat me to the punch by seconds. Seconds I say!

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Mage
15-09-2013, 23:31
This, along with their one click deals with no real discoutns for apocaylpe formations only proves the fact that GW have gone totally off the deep end.

BTJ
15-09-2013, 23:39
This, along with their one click deals with no real discoutns for apocaylpe formations only proves the fact that GW have gone totally off the deep end.

Not really, it's just a stunt. No real cost to them for it, and if someone buys it, they get some cool extras. As for me, this is exactly what I'm trying to do as-is, build the Ultramarines chapter. So if I had the cash(just started) then hell yeah, I'd get it. Trick would be just paint five guys at a time and in sections, marines seem to go way quicker that way, at least IMO.

Theolla
15-09-2013, 23:50
"Every Warhammer 40,000 hobbyist dreams of owning a complete Chapter of Space Marines... "

I think this sums up the entire marketing strategy for all of 40k, unfortunately.

I admit I laughed when I read that line. That's just too much stuff! Why did they put words in my mouth? It's just too many repetitive units of the same army. When are you ever going to use all that in a single army at once? Once a year, if that? I'm kind of a practical person, and even if I had limitless money, I wouldn't want to buy it. I wouldn't want that many miniatures of the same army.

However, if I could afford it, something I would love to do is have 1500-2000 points of each army, beautifully painted in a huge display case. There really isn't an army out there that I don't like. It would be so much fun to invite people over to play and let them pick out whatever army they wanted to try. It makes much more sense to me to have a huge variety of models and armies for the same price than just a ton space marine units over and over again. They should offer something like that.

TheFang
15-09-2013, 23:58
This offer demonstrates pretty well how completely out of touch GW is with the average hobbyist.

It's done exactly what they want. Generated a lot of buzz and a lot of hits on their website. Mission accomplished even if they don't sell one.

I'd not buy it even if I had the money, space to use it and the pro painters to do the work. I can't help but think I'd get more fun and use from buying a company sized formation for each of five or six Forgeworld heresy Legions and a few other large Xenos armies.

ForgottenLore
16-09-2013, 00:09
I would love to do is have 1500-2000 points of each army, .... They should offer something like that.

Actually, that isn't a bad idea. If they did something like that, but smaller armies, say 750-1000 points each, but offerend the bundle at a significant discount as a loss leader, get people to have a small force of everything so they are much more likely to want to add to each force every time ANY new codex comes out.

Grubnar
16-09-2013, 00:37
No. I do not want it. Even if I had the money.

But I can understand why someone would want it. Or a group of someones.

As an Ork collector I must say I am not impressed ... 1.000 models is really not that much. If you can assemble and paint just three space marines a day, you can do them all in less than a year. A Warboss, 20 Nobz, 90 boyz and 90 grotz are a good start for an Ork army ... and that is 200 models just there. And since I would want to be able to field maximum numbers of the 3 troop units I would end up with 540 models ... and that is ONLY the basic troops! Then I add some specialists, like Nobz, Meganobz, Lootas, Burnas, Tankbustas, and Kommandos ... that is 240 more models. Then there are some assault mobs, Stormboyz and Bikers ... almost 100 more models there. And lets not forget the grotz krewing the Big Guns and Flashgits ... almost 70 models there ... for a total of ... 950 models. And I have not started on the HQ models or any vehicles.

Darnok
16-09-2013, 00:40
Trick would be just paint five guys at a time and in sections, marines seem to go way quicker that way, at least IMO.

Then just buy the units one at a time. That way there is no chance to be overwhelmed by that "I still have HOW MANY of these unassambled and unpainted in those boxes taking one full room"-feeling. You also might come to a point where you reconsider your initial plan, because you already have a sizable force painted, and realize that you actually neither need nor want any more - then you have not wasted money on models beyond that stage.

Mage
16-09-2013, 01:14
How many points would an entire chapter be even? Who would you play against, how often would you get to play them? How much money would you spend on paint, glue, cases, sand, and where would you store them all?

Surgency
16-09-2013, 01:43
How many points would an entire chapter be even? Who would you play against, how often would you get to play them? How much money would you spend on paint, glue, cases, sand, and where would you store them all?

Without vehicles or bike upgrades I want to say its around 4000 points for a tactical company, ymmv based on heavy weapons and loadouts

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ronin_cse
16-09-2013, 07:30
If I in fact had enough money that I could actually spend $13k on little plastic models I assume that I could probably afford to have them professionally paints and I would probably have my own room in my very large house where I could display them. Assuming all these are true I would go for it just for the hell of it. It would look really awesome on display possibly against an equally large nid or ork or chaos army. Again I'm assuming that if I could really spend that much on models in one go I would probably have enough money to an equivalent sized opposing army.

ForgottenLore
16-09-2013, 07:37
Of course, if I had the time and money to get this, I would have already collected an entire chapter and so wouldn't need this.

morvaeldd
16-09-2013, 07:49
Has anyone counted how many points is that chapter worth (according to the photos, models and visible weapons only, no items that are extra and invisible like digital weapons) and how many slots of each type does it take?

Herzlos
16-09-2013, 09:03
I'd quite happily take on an epic project like this as a retirement project when I'd have [a] the money and [b] the time.

But realistically, I'd be more inclined to create a full 28mm Roman Legion (IX or something) than a Space Marine chapter, and in any case I'd be buying it piecemeal from a discounter because I think having that many unstarted kits in the way would kill any enthusiasm dead.



G) By the time I finish it, 9th Ed Space Marines will be out, those models will be old fashioned or obsolete, I'd be missing new units, and back to square one :p

That's a good point. It'd be difficult to get all of this painted before any kits get replaced.

daveNYC
16-09-2013, 09:49
For eleven grand, I'd like to have an option to get a fluff book for whatever first founding chapter I want.

AndrewGPaul
16-09-2013, 09:49
For what it's worth, I asked a guy who does commission painting how much he'd charge, and how long he'd take. He reckoned 12 - 18 months of work, and 25,000 - 35,000. :)

I added up the individual prices of all the minis, and not counting the unique items (signatures, exclusive booklets, etc), it comes to 7,400-odd. Of course, you'd need to add another four grand for all the Thunderhawks, Storm Eagles and whatnot from Forge World. :)

BTJ
16-09-2013, 11:21
Then just buy the units one at a time. That way there is no chance to be overwhelmed by that "I still have HOW MANY of these unassambled and unpainted in those boxes taking one full room"-feeling. You also might come to a point where you reconsider your initial plan, because you already have a sizable force painted, and realize that you actually neither need nor want any more - then you have not wasted money on models beyond that stage.
That is true, and is exactly how I'm doing mine. And to those asking how often would you use it all at once, that's not the only way of using it. How about a campaign? If it's map based, you can have different companies in different map sections, or even on different planets depending on scope. It's not just limited to if you can get it all on one table at the same time.

Herzlos
16-09-2013, 11:49
That is true, and is exactly how I'm doing mine. And to those asking how often would you use it all at once, that's not the only way of using it. How about a campaign? If it's map based, you can have different companies in different map sections, or even on different planets depending on scope. It's not just limited to if you can get it all on one table at the same time.

But would you be fielding them on simultaneous tables at once? Because if not, you could re-use most of them unless you were super picky about the company designations on your mini's. If you are, the same problem applies; you're still going to be fielding thousands of marines at once

Brother of the Hydra
16-09-2013, 13:02
Do I have the money spare? yes
Would I love to own a chapter? yes (Scythes of the Emperor)
Would I spend the money? No
Why??

The free extras! This is a load of money to spend in these economic times and if I was going to spend it on this I want to feel special!

i) flight to HQ to see the models being packed for shipping, personal tour of Warhammer world etc..
ii) a proper certificate of authentication, and I mean proper!! maybe even a unique badge or pin.
iii) my choice of chapter specific shoulder pads from the current range for all models.
iv) an i-pad with all the Space Marine books etc on it.
v) help on how to get the army painted stage by stage, say every two months a 2hr face to face online chat with a GW painter.
vi) designated contact number/e-mail that if you have any issues you can raise them.

Polaria
16-09-2013, 13:30
Do I have the money spare? yes
Would I love to own a chapter? yes (Scythes of the Emperor)
Would I spend the money? No
Why??

The free extras! This is a load of money to spend in these economic times and if I was going to spend it on this I want to feel special!

i) flight to HQ to see the models being packed for shipping, personal tour of Warhammer world etc..
ii) a proper certificate of authentication, and I mean proper!! maybe even a unique badge or pin.
iii) my choice of chapter specific shoulder pads from the current range for all models.
iv) an i-pad with all the Space Marine books etc on it.
v) help on how to get the army painted stage by stage, say every two months a 2hr face to face online chat with a GW painter.
vi) designated contact number/e-mail that if you have any issues you can raise them.

You should be selling GW models for them. With ideas like this you'd probably do better than their current sales is.

Darnok
16-09-2013, 15:01
Do I have the money spare? yes
Would I love to own a chapter? yes (Scythes of the Emperor)
Would I spend the money? No
Why??

The free extras! This is a load of money to spend in these economic times and if I was going to spend it on this I want to feel special!

i) flight to HQ to see the models being packed for shipping, personal tour of Warhammer world etc..
ii) a proper certificate of authentication, and I mean proper!! maybe even a unique badge or pin.
iii) my choice of chapter specific shoulder pads from the current range for all models.
iv) an i-pad with all the Space Marine books etc on it.
v) help on how to get the army painted stage by stage, say every two months a 2hr face to face online chat with a GW painter.
vi) designated contact number/e-mail that if you have any issues you can raise them.

With a concept like this one, the whole thing would actually work - and have actual value. Love it. :yes:

Spider-pope
16-09-2013, 16:45
For eleven grand, I'd like to have an option to get a fluff book for whatever first founding chapter I want.

Despite what the listing says, Insignium Astartes isn't solely devoted to the Ultramarines.

brionl
16-09-2013, 17:01
Even if I had the money, I wouldn't buy it. Like several other people have mentioned, I've got models from the early 90's that still aren't painted.
I'm kinda sorta working on a full company plus attachments. I've got about 1/3 done, and have the rest in plastic models that are in various stages that range from in-box to assembled and base coated but not detailed.
Those metal marines with plastic arms? I've got a crap-ton of those guys still in the blisters. I've even still got a couple squads of RTB-01 beakies that I bring out from time to time.

baphomael
16-09-2013, 17:18
As I posted in previous thread, im concerned that GW have changed or will change the "official" makeup of companies within the chapter (see pics on GW's website theres 1 for each company). Don't want to have to change squads to fit in expensive Centurion squads (that I don't like). I know that even if GW did change the official makeup I didn't have to make the change, but I like to have whats current.

Having said that, owning an entire chapter would be cool but all at once?? nope. Slow buildup of companies using ebay 2nd hand models is best way imo and a few days soaking in Dettol to strip the paint.
So far I have the 2nd and 4th battle companies complete and am currently assembling the 8th assault company. I also have nearly 70% of the scout and 1st company ready but all that's taken me about 2 years to collect and paint so far. Hopefully, 1 day. I will have the complete chapter :D

Bare in mind this is a representation of the chapter as it fought in one particular battle, so in future depcitions of the chapter that might look slightly different that could be put down to minor variations between engagements. You can leave out centurions if you dont like since they're already drawn from assault and devestator units - they dont always fight in centurion armour.

M'ichal
16-09-2013, 18:02
What's the big deal? The only new thing here is that you can get all of this with probably 5 clicks and the few extras, otherwise you could've bought an entire chapter at any time. I think this might appeal to the most hardcore gaming groups where they can spread the cost.

Nevertheless, it'd be really cool to have a fully painted chapter :)

M'ichal
16-09-2013, 18:17
...it would be a lovely thing to have, but not something I'd actually like to work on. In that respect, it's like a Phd!

lol, dude, that was a good one!

Theolla
17-09-2013, 03:30
i) flight to HQ to see the models being packed for shipping, personal tour of Warhammer world etc..
ii) a proper certificate of authentication, and I mean proper!! maybe even a unique badge or pin.
iii) my choice of chapter specific shoulder pads from the current range for all models.
iv) an i-pad with all the Space Marine books etc on it.
v) help on how to get the army painted stage by stage, say every two months a 2hr face to face online chat with a GW painter.
vi) designated contact number/e-mail that if you have any issues you can raise them.

Now you're talking! I especially like that you have a contact number with someone that you know will help you. For a single person to make such an investment, it would drive me crazy to be put through the usual customer service line. I can even see GW rep answering it on the other line... "Hey! The guy who paid $13k is calling! Answer that STAT!!"

Brother of the Hydra
17-09-2013, 11:34
This is their most expensive and iconic (IMO) 1 click to date, it deserves top quality service/extras.

What they offered comes across to me as, "here folks for a laugh we will put up this Chapter thing but since no one will buy it we will add random extras". GW if you are going to do it do it properly or not at all.

And yes I would like to work for them but you would all be broke because of my offers... ;)

Nymie_the_Pooh
17-09-2013, 14:21
I posted my thoughts on the first page. After reading this thread I think some people are missing what is probably the point behind this. Not most posters, but some.

It is an oddity to get people talking.

ravenizer
17-09-2013, 18:11
Saying "would you buy if you would have limitless money" is plain umm stupid... If I would have limitless would there be a thing I wouldn't buy? Ppl DON'T have limitless cash, so there is no reason to discuss with that approach.

Ppl don't even buy apoc formations becouse it's better to just buy their stuff one by one. If GW does that for lulz, I find GW having a bad taste of humor.Actualy I feel like as a customer, I'm beeing treated like an idiot. 1 click for 11 grand? And just that? Nothing more? No "you save XX$", no books, no special limited stuff? Hell if those were painted and assembled on a good quality level it would make sense, but otherwise? Realy?

warlordbob
17-09-2013, 18:34
As much as i'd like a full Chapter, no, the Company of Crimson Fists i've just finished buying, and almost built, is definately enough for me, especially as thats not including the 50-odd veterans and the Dark Angels I still need to get round to painting. Not to mention my huge Ork horde, thats only around 30% painted, and my Tau force to finish, and then the Heresy Imperial Fists.....

Misfratz
17-09-2013, 20:18
4 Razorbacks and 47 Rhinos? Not enough Razorbacks...

Edit: Oh, there are 10 Razorbacks, because of the six in the Strikeforces. In that case... some people spend that much on a watch, or a mobile phone. It's not so much really.

Flame Boy
17-09-2013, 21:42
Then just buy the units one at a time. That way there is no chance to be overwhelmed by that "I still have HOW MANY of these unassambled and unpainted in those boxes taking one full room"-feeling. You also might come to a point where you reconsider your initial plan, because you already have a sizable force painted, and realize that you actually neither need nor want any more - then you have not wasted money on models beyond that stage.

The only issue I have with this, is that if I'd bought all the Rhino models I'd needed when the current kit was first released instead of buying them today, I'd have saved a small fortune in potential price rises.

Konovalev
18-09-2013, 16:38
no special limited stuff?
I suppose you could argue that unless Paul Dainton's hands fell off, nothing signed by him would ever be "limited", but it's not as if you are only receiving models in the collection.

Surgency
18-09-2013, 16:41
I suppose you could argue that unless Paul Dainton's hands fell off, nothing signed by him would ever be "limited", but it's not as if you are only receiving models in the collection.

Some people are incapable of reading past the first couple of lines and assume that only models are included :p

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zam2
19-09-2013, 03:05
Hi all.

This is NOT a price discussion - that's already happening elsewhere.

Ignore the price.

If you could - would you have it?

Do you WANT it?

I think it's cool. I'll never buy it, but I want it, and it's very cool.
The thing about the chapter bundle is that it's a stunt, something outrageously big and odd meant to generate excitement and talk, and it's succeeded. Look at your own last sentence, the idea of the chapter bundle has had its desired effect on you.

Now personally, I think it's a pretty cool concept too, but I could buy myself a nice NEW small car for the amount they're asking for the bundle here in Australia, so it's a "Cool! But no thank you" thing for me.

Kiyo
19-09-2013, 11:42
So I saw someone claimed to have brought this? I'd wager it was a lie to gain attention ;)

Anyway, if I was a fan of space marines (or imagine this was an Eldar set) and won the lottery, I still wouldn't buy it. Too daunting to have so many boxes of unpainted minatures.

daveNYC
19-09-2013, 12:40
One thing that would make this a more attractive deal would be if they let the buyer schedule fractional shipping of the package. That's be nice in case someone doesn't want to deal with finding storage for a couple hundred boxes of stuff all at once. Sure it's a publicity stunt, and anyone who actually has $12k in the bank and ready to go for this probably isn't hurting for storage, but giving the customer more options wouldn't hurt.

Commotionpotion
19-09-2013, 12:55
Just think, if you bought 120 of them, and a shedload of FW HH add-ons, you could have yourself the entire UM Legion at the height of the Great Crusade (120,000 frontline troops, apparently...)

On a more practical note...

As others have said, it's a publicity stunt - the luxury yacht of the wargaming world. On the other hand, I can think of much better things that I could do with a spare eight grand.

Then again, even in this period of 'austerity' in the West, the luxury yacht construction market is apparently one of the few growth industries around. Perhaps GW are planning a new strategy specifically targeting oil barons and senior investment bankers?

jri0t68
20-09-2013, 01:54
Surely their next move, if so, is to market 1:3 scale 40K being played on turf the size of American football fields.

Publicity stunt seems successful. The real question is if GW sees increased sales by people realizing a $12k USD expense on this is insane and all starting their own goals of full companies instead. They only did this because they think it'll make them more money.

Mortimer
20-09-2013, 02:11
Publicity stunt seems successful. The real question is if GW sees increased sales by people realizing a $12k USD expense on this is insane and all starting their own goals of full companies instead. They only did this because they think it'll make them more money.

all they needed to do is sell 1 to make a profit on it.

their profit from it will be ~2x the retail value.

There is no way they will be at a loss on this stunt.

jri0t68
20-09-2013, 05:47
all they needed to do is sell 1 to make a profit on it.

their profit from it will be ~2x the retail value.

There is no way they will be at a loss on this stunt.

You're not factoring in the resources used to put it to market (which, while minimal, are a factor).

No reputable company puts any effort into a campaign to make a mere $6k. They've got to be banking on something more than profit off of the few sales they might get on the chapter itself.

I suspect they're planning on increased sales from all the talk of collecting a full company (or other faction equivalent).

TheDungen
20-09-2013, 10:00
as someone said above if there was one for my chapter (or their parent chapter) sure but as it stand now no, at least not at that price considering I'd have to get dark angels parts to make them proper unforgiven.

Grubnar
20-09-2013, 13:54
For what it's worth, I asked a guy who does commission painting how much he'd charge, and how long he'd take. He reckoned 12 - 18 months of work, and 25,000 - 35,000. :)

I added up the individual prices of all the minis, and not counting the unique items (signatures, exclusive booklets, etc), it comes to 7,400-odd. Of course, you'd need to add another four grand for all the Thunderhawks, Storm Eagles and whatnot from Forge World. :)


This collection includes:
37.50 1 box of Marneus Calgar and Honour Guard
11.00 1 Chief Librarian Tigurius
11.00 1 Chaplain Cassius
11.00 1 Space Marine Captain in Terminator Armour;
13.00 1 Space Marine Terminator Chaplain;
11.00 1 Captain Sicarius
20.50 1 box of Space Marine Masters of the Chapter;
15.00 1 Space Marine Captain: Lord Executioner;
15.00 1 Space Marine Captain: Master of the Marches;
15.00 1 Space Marine Captain: Master of the Rites;
15.00 1 Space Marine Captain: Master of Relics;
61.50 3 Space Marine Command Squads (20.50)
36.00 2 Space Marine Librarians (18.00)
15.00 1 Space Marine Librarian in Terminator Armour
9.50 1 Space Marine Librarian with staff & book;
9.50 1 Space Marine Librarian with Force Sword and Bolt Pistol;
9.50 1 Space Marine Librarian with Force Axe and Plasma Pistol;
28.50 3 Space Marine Chaplains with Crozius and Power Fist (9.50)
9.50 3 Space Marine Chaplains with skull helmet (9.50)
8.20 1 Space Marine Chaplain with Crozius and Bolt Pistol;
8.20 1 Space Marine Chaplain with Crozius and Plasma Pistol;
11.00 1 Space Marine Chaplain with Jump Pack
26.00 2 Space Marine Techmarines (13.00)
399.20

224.00 8 Space Marine Terminator Squads (28.00)
112.00 4 Space Marine Terminator Close Combat Squads (28.00)
25.00 4 Space Marine Vanguard Veteran Squads;
30.00 4 Space Marine Sternguard Veteran Squads
196.00 7 Space Marine Dreadnoughts (28.00)
140.00 5 Space Marine Ironclad Dreadnoughts (28.00)
727

975.00 39 Space Marine Tactical Squads (25.00)
9.50 1 Space Marine Sergeant Telion
155.00 10 boxes of Space Marine Scouts (15.50)
62.00 4 boxes of Space Marine Scouts with Sniper Rifles (15.50)
1201.5

90.00 4 Space Marine Drop Pods (22.50)
1057.50 47 Space Marine Rhinos (22.50)
100.00 4 Space Marine Razorbacks (25.00)
1247.5

192.50 7 Space Marine Stormtalon Gunships (27.50)
260.00 13 Space Marine Bike Squads (20.00)
8.00 1 Space Marine Bike
287.00 14 Space Marine Assault Squads (20.50)
82.50 5 Space Marine Attack Bikes (16.50)
203.50 11 Space Marine Land Speeders (18.50)
92.50 5 Space Marine Land Speeder Storms (18.50)
1126

570.00 12 Space Marine Centurion Devastator Squads (47.50)
280.00 7 Space Marine Stalker/Hunters (40.00)
150.00 3 Stormraven Gunships (50.00)
135.00 3 Space Marine Land Raider Crusader/Redeemers (45.00)
315.00 7 Space Marine Land Raiders (45.00)
287.00 14 Space Marine Devastator Squads (20.50)
175.00 5 Space Marine Predators (35.00)
70.00 2 Space Marine Vindicators (35.00)
105.00 3 Space Marine Whirlwinds (35.00)
144.00 4 Space Marine Thunderfire Cannons (36.00)
11.00 1 Space Marine Sergeant Chronus
2242
And
840.00 6 Space Marine Strikeforces (140.00) The Space Marine Strikeforce includes 1 Space Marine Commander, 1 Space Marine Command Squad, 1 Space Marine Razorback, 2 Space Marine Tactical Squads, 1 Space Marine Venerable Dreadnought, 1 Space Marine Drop Pod, 1 Space Marine Assault Squad, and 1 Space Marine Scouts with sniper rifles squad
7783.5

7783.5 - 7,065.00 = you save 718.50 ... I did not cout the cost of the Codex or the other book.

Beppo1234
20-09-2013, 14:01
to answer the op: Crass. Really, only very rarely would you ever be able to put the thing out on table to view it in all it's glory, and second, even rarer, would be to play a game with an entire chapter. Honestly, there are very few people in this world that have enough hobby table space to even display an entire chapter.

the idea is cool, but I think in reality, not really worth it, no matter how big a nerdgasm it gives me.

Konovalev
20-09-2013, 16:27
the idea is cool, ... a nerdgasm it gives me.
Seems like a good enough reason to post this chapter collection to me. Mission accomplished GW?

Activision marketed a Black Ops version Jeep wrangler a while back. Seems similar enough. I don't think Activision expected BlOps players to go out and buy cars, but to look at it and go oooh neat. And for anyone already in the market for a new vehicle, who also happens to be a fan of COD, it may have been a tempting buy. I see one on a regular basis where I live, so as crass as a jeep speckled with COD icons is someone apparently bought one.

Xerkics
21-09-2013, 00:49
The very thought that youd be buying ultramarines is crass, nm an entire chapter heh.

Mortimer
21-09-2013, 01:30
The very thought that youd be buying ultramarines is crass, nm an entire chapter heh.

Because the antiquated view on "Teh posterboys of the GrimDark" really helps the argument.

What you are buying is a Chapter that adheres to the Codex Astartes and the UM related SC, if you had the money to buy all this you will have enough to buy the other SC's to make your army the 3 Fists (BT inc), RG, WS or any Flava.

Litcheur
21-09-2013, 03:46
Do you WANT it?
I'd rather spend that kind of money on booze. Or strippers. Or even better : booze and strippers.

If I was a good guy, I suppose I could even give it to a charity.

Spending this amount of money on plastic toy soldiers seems is stupid. :o

Son of Morkai
21-09-2013, 18:55
I'd rather spend that kind of money on booze. Or strippers. Or even better : booze and strippers.

If I was a good guy, I suppose I could even give it to a charity.

Spending this amount of money on plastic toy soldiers seems is stupid. :o
But toy soldiers last forever! I guess herpes does too, so you might have a point, but I know which of the two I would rather have.

yabbadabba
21-09-2013, 19:04
I don't know if anyone has said this but there is a very simple reason why they have put this together.

Because they could.

The Marine codex just gave them the excuse to.

Litcheur
21-09-2013, 19:49
But toy soldiers last forever!
So do memories. :D

Killgore
21-09-2013, 21:41
I don't know if anyone has said this but there is a very simple reason why they have put this together.

Because they could.

The Marine codex just gave them the excuse to.

and it got people talking, which encourages visits to the webstore to have a look :P

brionl
22-09-2013, 03:42
I'd rather spend that kind of money on booze. Or strippers. Or even better : booze and strippers.

If I was a good guy, I suppose I could even give it to a charity.

Spending this amount of money on plastic toy soldiers seems is stupid. :o

A half-way house for alcoholic strippers! And uh, you could teach them to play 40K! (whew, on-topic)

L_Floyd
22-09-2013, 21:17
So does anybody actually know the total point cost of the whole force? And if there selling whole chapters I wonder if they would do tau cadre's or a massive ork hoard, I mean yeah space marines are cool, but there are other races out there too. Tbh I think GW focus too much on space marines than the other races, also be cool if you got a whole battlwfleet gothic fleet with it too.. (bfg was cool especially when put into campaigns)

Mortimer
22-09-2013, 23:07
So does anybody actually know the total point cost of the whole force? And if there selling whole chapters I wonder if they would do tau cadre's or a massive ork hoard, I mean yeah space marines are cool, but there are other races out there too. Tbh I think GW focus too much on space marines than the other races, also be cool if you got a whole battlwfleet gothic fleet with it too.. (bfg was cool especially when put into campaigns)

Grab a calculator, a free day off work, plenty of coffee and a copy of the codex and get back to us?

Konovalev
23-09-2013, 16:55
So does anybody actually know the total point cost of the whole force? And if there selling whole chapters I wonder if they would do tau cadre's or a massive ork hoard, I mean yeah space marines are cool, but there are other races out there too. Tbh I think GW focus too much on space marines than the other races, also be cool if you got a whole battlwfleet gothic fleet with it too.. (bfg was cool especially when put into campaigns)

Wasn't there a Tau interdiction force or some such collection released with the new Tau dex? I seem to remember that collection matching a Mont'Ka cadre pretty closely. I think the cost was somewhere in the lines of $800. It's worth noting that Tau hunting cadre's are more like Marine battle companies than chapters though.

Surgency
23-09-2013, 18:56
I added up the points, sort of:

44 Tactical squads with heavy bolter and flamer (4x6 for battle companies, 20 reserve): 6820

18 Assault squads, no upgrades: 3060

18 Devestator squads, 4x heavy bolter: 3240

10 Scout squads, no upgrades: 1100

5 Sternguard squads, , no upgrades: 475
5 Veteran Vanguard squads, no upgrades: 600
5 Terminator squads, assault cannons: 1100
5 Assault Terminator squads, 2x TH/SS: 1050

For a grand total of 17445 points with NO characters, dreads, vehicles, centurions, or bikes, and absolutely minimal unit upgrades.

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L_Floyd
23-09-2013, 21:46
Hmmm imagine moving each piece, and yeah I know a cadre is smaller than a chapter its just I kinda meant a xenos equivalent to full chapter strength, so like a tyranid swarm or something Idk tbh ive started late 5th ed then had to pick up another rulebook a month later so still new to whats what sorry

Darnok
24-09-2013, 22:48
If you actually wanted to see a whole SM chapter in action, you would have to organise a massive Apoc game, including at least one player per company on the SM side. One person alone can't handle that amount of models - or the interactions they produce.

cpl_hicks
24-09-2013, 23:25
If you were using an entire chapter, could you use the epic rules to simplify the mechanics?

Darnok
24-09-2013, 23:29
Why not just play Epic to begin with?

cpl_hicks
24-09-2013, 23:55
Then why do people play Inq28 instead of inquisitor. It's exactly the same thing taking a specialist game and converting it into 40k. Next we will see Aeronautica with FW maurader heavy bombers :p

Harwammer
25-09-2013, 10:04
If you were using an entire chapter, could you use the epic rules to simplify the mechanics?

I had the same idea! create some movement trays to multi base each combat squad and you are away!

juxt
27-09-2013, 07:37
Hmmm, have they just reduced the price to exactly 7,000? So 65 off