MLP

23-10-2013, 00:40

I've recently been working out the math for these two items for my Minotaur in my beastmen army and thought I'd put the same thoughts here for the warseer crowd.

It turns out that both are relatively similar with ASF being better if you are hitting on a 3+/4+ and +1 to hit being better if you're hitting on 5+/6+

Now there's a few factors to consider with this is mind.

The WS and I of the character using the item.

High initiative armies: WE, DE, HE, Skaven, WoC

Mark of Nurgle for WoC/DoC

Glittering Scales

Cloak of Ulric

Quite a lot of these armies and such are common in the high tier armies in the current meta (WE excepted) so are quite relevant. ASF is not so good if you're not getting rerolls and even worse if you're hitting on 5+/6+ Which against WoC/DoC is common!

Sword of striking gives a guaranteed +1 to hit which is almost as good as ASF for 3+/4+ and better in any other respect.

On top of that you pay an extra 10 points for ASF over +1 to hit and I'm not sure it's worth it personally, unless you have high WS and I and can be sure you'll get the rerolls on a low to hit roll.

So in summary, for an all comers list in the current Meta the Sword of Striking is better than the Sword of Swift Slaying. Sword of Swift Slaying is better in match ups against low WS and low I targets only.

Hope this helps someone. I've done this more for myself than anything but thought I'd share my thoughts.

Here's my math, hopefully it is correct!

Normal to hit roll required

3+ is 2/3 is 67%

4+ is 1/2 is 50%

5+ is 1/3 is 33%

6+ is 1/6 is 17%

With Sword Swift Slaying (reroll)

3+ is 2/3 + 2/9 is 89%

4+ is 1/2 + 1/4 is 75%

5+ is 1/3 + 1/9 is 44%

6+ is 1/6 + 1/36 is 30%

With Sword of Striking (+1 to hit)

3+ is 5/6 is 83%

4+ is 2/3 is 67%

5+ is 1/2 is 50%

6+ is 1/3 is 33%

It turns out that both are relatively similar with ASF being better if you are hitting on a 3+/4+ and +1 to hit being better if you're hitting on 5+/6+

Now there's a few factors to consider with this is mind.

The WS and I of the character using the item.

High initiative armies: WE, DE, HE, Skaven, WoC

Mark of Nurgle for WoC/DoC

Glittering Scales

Cloak of Ulric

Quite a lot of these armies and such are common in the high tier armies in the current meta (WE excepted) so are quite relevant. ASF is not so good if you're not getting rerolls and even worse if you're hitting on 5+/6+ Which against WoC/DoC is common!

Sword of striking gives a guaranteed +1 to hit which is almost as good as ASF for 3+/4+ and better in any other respect.

On top of that you pay an extra 10 points for ASF over +1 to hit and I'm not sure it's worth it personally, unless you have high WS and I and can be sure you'll get the rerolls on a low to hit roll.

So in summary, for an all comers list in the current Meta the Sword of Striking is better than the Sword of Swift Slaying. Sword of Swift Slaying is better in match ups against low WS and low I targets only.

Hope this helps someone. I've done this more for myself than anything but thought I'd share my thoughts.

Here's my math, hopefully it is correct!

Normal to hit roll required

3+ is 2/3 is 67%

4+ is 1/2 is 50%

5+ is 1/3 is 33%

6+ is 1/6 is 17%

With Sword Swift Slaying (reroll)

3+ is 2/3 + 2/9 is 89%

4+ is 1/2 + 1/4 is 75%

5+ is 1/3 + 1/9 is 44%

6+ is 1/6 + 1/36 is 30%

With Sword of Striking (+1 to hit)

3+ is 5/6 is 83%

4+ is 2/3 is 67%

5+ is 1/2 is 50%

6+ is 1/3 is 33%