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dram
02-11-2013, 06:41
Besides the novels based on the games of course.

Examples that I know of:

Video Games

Dawn of War
*Blood Ravens Chapter
*Bonesinger unit for the Eldar
*Tau Commander Shas'O Kais
*Orbital Bombardment usage by Space Marine heroes
*Two handed Thunder Hammer

Fire Warrior
*Tau Rail Rifle
*Orca Dropship
*Emissary Class Cruiser (Il'Porrui Class Cruiser)

Role Playing Games

Dark Heresy
*Slaugth (Mentioned in The Horus Heresy Book One - Betrayal)
*Ordo Chronos (Shown in the new Inquisition Codex)

Deathwatch
*Storm Wardens Chapter (Deathwatch novel and The Masters, Bidding short story)
*Deathwatch Black Shields (They've been mentioned in various short stories, but I'm not sure if they showed up in the RPG first)

Does anyone else have any other examples?

=Angel=
02-11-2013, 21:38
Space marine heroes granting an orbital bombardment is a mechanic that was inspired by the game.

I don't know of any direct ports ofbackground other than those mentioned.

dram
02-11-2013, 22:49
Thanks. Another example from the Dawn of War series I think, is the use of a two handed Thunder Hammer?

KingCro
03-11-2013, 01:53
I'm not sure, but I think bone singers have always existed in Eldar fluff. Charged with building and maintaining the craft world and all that good stuff. I think the game is just the first time you ever see them represented.

KingCro
03-11-2013, 01:56
Also its very interesting how some authors, especially Dan Abnett, influenced the fluff. Lord commissars, vox-casters, almost the entire inquisition fluff (to name just a few) were invented by him and GW then brought them into the fluff.

serge
03-11-2013, 06:48
*Bonesinger unit for the Eldar

I think this was allready in Rogue Trader, together with Ork Goffik Rokkers and Noise marines

MarcoSkoll
03-11-2013, 08:18
almost the entire inquisition fluff
Some like to think that, but that's really unfair on other writers. A lot of what he did come up with had to receive the standard handwave of "All of it and none of it is canon" because of several earlier points it did conflict with; an approximate translation of this is: "Erm... um... Well, the Scarus Sector Inquisition works differently. Yes, yes, that will do".

Large parts of it, yes. Almost all of it, no.

Anyway, on the original topic, I'm guessing the question is mostly intended as "What ideas has GW taken from its licence holders?", but if one does wish to treat Inquisitor as a pseudo-RPG, it introduced a lot of things that were deliberately different to the WH40K game in order to place it away from the normal front-lines of 40K... which really got diluted later on by GW deciding to include much of that stuff in the Inquisition codices later on - things like Repentia and Arco-flagellants.

Retrospectus
03-11-2013, 10:00
Thanks. Another example from the Dawn of War series I think, is the use of a two handed Thunder Hammer?
as far as I know there wasn't a model for a power armoured thunder hammer before dawn of war

Sai-Lauren
03-11-2013, 13:38
Besides the novels based on the games of course.

Examples that I know of:

Video Games

Dawn of War
*Blood Ravens Chapter
*Bonesinger unit for the Eldar
*Tau Commander Shas'O Kais
*Orbital Bombardment usage by Space Marine heroes
*Two handed Thunder Hammer

Fire Warrior
*Tau Rail Rifle
*Orca Dropship
*Emissary Class Cruiser (Il'Porrui Class Cruiser)

Role Playing Games

Dark Heresy
*Slaugth (Mentioned in The Horus Heresy Book One - Betrayal)

Deathwatch
*Storm Wardens Chapter (Deathwatch novel and The Masters, Bidding short story)
*Deathwatch Black Shields (They've been mentioned in various short stories, but I'm not sure if they showed up in the RPG first)

Does anyone else have any other examples?
Shas O'Kais came from Fire Warrior, not Dawn of War ;)

Menthak
03-11-2013, 14:15
Shas O'Kais came from Fire Warrior, not Dawn of War ;)

Shas'la/ui Kais is from Fire Warrior.
Shas'o Kais is from Dark Crusade.

DoomedToRepeatIt
04-11-2013, 01:19
Shas'la/ui Kais is from Fire Warrior.
Shas'o Kais is from Dark Crusade.

Maybe got promoted between games.

Son of Morkai
04-11-2013, 01:31
The only thing Shas'ui Kais got promoted to is the psych ward. His adventures did not end well.

Inquisitor Engel
04-11-2013, 02:16
*Bonesinger unit for the Eldar

Existed in the background well before anything else. I believe they show up in the mid-'90s.


*Orbital Bombardment usage by Space Marine heroes

Ehhh, not really.


*Two handed Thunder Hammer

Some of us had been converting Space Marines with two-handed thunderhammers since 3rd Edition. ;)



*Orca Dropship

I know the rules were first introduced in IA3, but I could swear the Orca was around prior to Fire Warrior being released. Could be wrong there though.

Kakapo42
04-11-2013, 03:23
I know the rules were first introduced in IA3, but I could swear the Orca was around prior to Fire Warrior being released. Could be wrong there though.

Nope, Firewarrior is where the Orca dropship came from. You might however be thinking of the Orca gunship, a Tau escort class warship in Battlefleet Gothic which was around before that though.

DoombringerATT
04-11-2013, 03:52
Shas'la Kais never got promoted to Shas'ui. He was still referred to as Shas'la even when his newly promoted friends, Y'hol and Ju, came to visit him in the hospital.

No use promoting a babbling and limbless psychotic mess to Sergeant, I guess. :P

Regarding the Rail Rifle, I'm not sure either the game or the tabletop saw it "first."

According to WD285, pg. 75, the idea for a tau sniper rifle initially came from the game's developer, Kuju, but after coming up with some initial designs they worked with Jes Goodwin to arrive at the finished product, which was put in the tabletop game right alongside the video game's release.

KingCro
04-11-2013, 04:09
Some of us had been converting Space Marines with two-handed thunderhammers since 3rd Edition. ;)

Some you didn't even need to convert , like the space wolf iron preist

https://www.google.com/search?q=space+wolf+iron+priest&client=firefox-a&hs=bHY&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=WyZ3UtqbAoreiAKlloCYAw&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ&biw=1536&bih=738#facrc=_&imgrc=infscMgROyKUNM%3A%3BQiyTKY6gJzh5nM%3Bhttp%25 3A%252F%252F2.bp.blogspot.com%252F_A8bZUPrO8dk%252 FSxQatr9B11I%252FAAAAAAAABaw%252FNTWB9PV0RI8%252Fs 1600%252Fspacewolvesironpriest.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252 F%252Fspace-wolves-grey.blogspot.com%252F2009%252F11%252Firon-priest-tactics.html%3B517%3B627

DoombringerATT
04-11-2013, 04:19
I know the rules were first introduced in IA3, but I could swear the Orca was around prior to Fire Warrior being released. Could be wrong there though.


Nope, Firewarrior is where the Orca dropship came from. You might however be thinking of the Orca gunship, a Tau escort class warship in Battlefleet Gothic which was around before that though.

Actually, Inquisitor Engel's not wrong about the Orca.

Its first appearance was in the artwork on page 7 of Codex: Tau (3rd), since retouched and reused on page 8 of Codex: Tau Empire (6th).

Looks like the guys at Kuju were inspired by that artwork, used it in the game, and then got their vision of the front end of the dropship reproduced by Forge World.

Kakapo42
04-11-2013, 05:34
Actually, Inquisitor Engel's not wrong about the Orca.

Its first appearance was in the artwork on page 7 of Codex: Tau (3rd), since retouched and reused on page 8 of Codex: Tau Empire (6th).

Looks like the guys at Kuju were inspired by that artwork, used it in the game, and then got their vision of the front end of the dropship reproduced by Forge World.

Oh yeah... I forgot there was one in that.

serge
04-11-2013, 06:05
Bonesingers =
Existed in the background well before anything else. I believe they show up in the mid-'90s.

Certainly! With rules in an early Citadel Journal.

Lothlanathorian
04-11-2013, 16:20
Video Games

Dawn of War
*Blood Ravens Chapter - Yes
*Bonesinger unit for the Eldar - Not even a little. Already explained.
*Tau Commander Shas'O Kais - Yes. (Firewarrior Kais is not the same character, there are a couple threads on that one.)
*Orbital Bombardment usage by Space Marine heroes - Nope.
*Two handed Thunder Hammer - Nope.

Fire Warrior
*Tau Rail Rifle - This was explained pretty well above.
*Orca Dropship - Also explained pretty well above.
*Emissary Class Cruiser (Il'Porrui Class Cruiser) - Yep. Also, the whole FW Tau fleet was pretty much inspired by how this ship looked (note that it is drastically different from how the BFG Tau fleet looked)

Role Playing Games

Dark Heresy
*Slaugth (Mentioned in The Horus Heresy Book One - Betrayal)

Deathwatch
*Storm Wardens Chapter (Deathwatch novel and The Masters, Bidding short story)
*Deathwatch Black Shields (They've been mentioned in various short stories, but I'm not sure if they showed up in the RPG first)

Does anyone else have any other examples?[/QUOTE]


as far as I know there wasn't a model for a power armoured thunder hammer before dawn of war

Definitely was. The first thing to pop into my mind is the Iron Hands tactical squad. The sgt. had one. That was 3rd Edition and prior to Dawn of War. There is most likely an older example I'm just not thinking of.

Lothlanathorian
04-11-2013, 16:21
Video Games

Dawn of War
*Blood Ravens Chapter - Yes
*Bonesinger unit for the Eldar - Not even a little. Already explained.
*Tau Commander Shas'O Kais - Yes. (Firewarrior Kais is not the same character, there are a couple threads on that one.)
*Orbital Bombardment usage by Space Marine heroes - Nope.
*Two handed Thunder Hammer - Nope.

Fire Warrior
*Tau Rail Rifle - This was explained pretty well above.
*Orca Dropship - Also explained pretty well above.
*Emissary Class Cruiser (Il'Porrui Class Cruiser) - Yep. Also, the whole FW Tau fleet was pretty much inspired by how this ship looked (note that it is drastically different from how the BFG Tau fleet looked)

Role Playing Games

Dark Heresy
*Slaugth (Mentioned in The Horus Heresy Book One - Betrayal)

Deathwatch
*Storm Wardens Chapter (Deathwatch novel and The Masters, Bidding short story)
*Deathwatch Black Shields (They've been mentioned in various short stories, but I'm not sure if they showed up in the RPG first)

Does anyone else have any other examples?[/QUOTE]


as far as I know there wasn't a model for a power armoured thunder hammer before dawn of war

Definitely was. The first thing to pop into my mind is the Iron Hands tactical squad. The sgt. had one. That was 3rd Edition and prior to Dawn of War. There is most likely an older example I'm just not thinking of.

Idaan
04-11-2013, 16:29
Are we counting FW now? Because there's some overlap between FW and Dark Heresy writing teams, leading to a lot of references to DH popping up in FW books. For instance, Inquisitor Hector Rex is from DH's Calixis Sector and was an acolyte to one of the NPC Inquisitors, and the Chapters in Badab War series have fought Xenos that, while unnamed, are distinctly similar to DH's Slaugth and the Harrowing.

=Angel=
04-11-2013, 23:45
I think we need to credit the games where, as in the case of the space marine captain's pieplate and bonesinger-they existed as background but never as game mechanics or models.

Imperial guard blobs seem to have been inspired by their ingame unit which can be reinforced up to 20+ rather than dealing with individual ten man squads all over the joint.

And hammer of wrath surely was inspired by dawn of war 2's more accurate rendering of what happens when a very big man in very strong armour falls out of the sky and lands on you.

Chem-Dog
05-11-2013, 06:01
the space wolf iron preist

https://www.google.com/search?q=space+wolf+iron+priest&client=firefox-a&hs=bHY&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=WyZ3UtqbAoreiAKlloCYAw&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ&biw=1536&bih=738#facrc=_&imgrc=infscMgROyKUNM%3A%3BQiyTKY6gJzh5nM%3Bhttp%25 3A%252F%252F2.bp.blogspot.com%252F_A8bZUPrO8dk%252 FSxQatr9B11I%252FAAAAAAAABaw%252FNTWB9PV0RI8%252Fs 1600%252Fspacewolvesironpriest.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252 F%252Fspace-wolves-grey.blogspot.com%252F2009%252F11%252Firon-priest-tactics.html%3B517%3B627

Yep, that guy's a late period RT release.

Ambience 327
05-11-2013, 12:53
'Slaught (short for "onslaught") is at least as old as Inquisitor, as it was one of the combat stimms included in the Inquisitor rulebook. I think it might have been mentioned prior to that as well, but I can't recall for sure.

Idaan
05-11-2013, 14:59
'Slaught (short for "onslaught") is at least as old as Inquisitor, as it was one of the combat stimms included in the Inquisitor rulebook. I think it might have been mentioned prior to that as well, but I can't recall for sure.

The Slaugth (with "th", not a typo) are a race of Xenos who look basically like the Worm that Walks from D&D (they're even called that on one occasion). All of them are Pariahs, they use entropic weaponry and have starships that don't use the warp. They wage war with biomechanical constructs that are essentially shoggoths. They've been invented by the DH team, and as you see, they're pretty cool.

Inquisitor Engel
05-11-2013, 15:45
The Slaugth (with "th", not a typo) are a race of Xenos who look basically like the Worm that Walks from D&D (they're even called that on one occasion). All of them are Pariahs, they use entropic weaponry and have starships that don't use the warp. They wage war with biomechanical constructs that are essentially shoggoths. They've been invented by the DH team, and as you see, they're pretty cool.

Just read the Lexicanum summary... Wellllll that's terrifying.

Ambience 327
05-11-2013, 17:14
Ah. I stand corrected. Too many similar names. :D

Vaulkhar
05-11-2013, 17:36
Although 'slaught, as in the combat drug, first appears in Necromunda (I think).

And you know an enemy is good when the GM's guide recommends caution in using even one lest you annihilate the whole party...

Lord Damocles
05-11-2013, 18:31
And hammer of wrath surely was inspired by dawn of war 2's more accurate rendering of what happens when a very big man in very strong armour falls out of the sky and lands on you.
I'd have thought that Hammer of Wrath was more likely directly inspired by what happens when a Marine/bike/Carnifex/whatever crashes into you - which is of course where Dawn of War took it's inspiration from too.

=Angel=
05-11-2013, 19:10
I'd have thought that Hammer of Wrath was more likely directly inspired by what happens when a Marine/bike/Carnifex/whatever crashes into you - which is of course where Dawn of War took it's inspiration from too.
I don't see that.
We'd had Third fourth and fifth editions with the same mechanics for jump infantry.
Dawn of war 1 was released around 4th ed's release and when dawn of war two came round they put the mechanic in. Then Space Marine from the same company got the mechanic and finally in 6th ed,we got the mechanic on the tabletop.

I imagine in the rules design studio someone pointing enthusiastically at a screen and saying 'do you see? DO YOU SEE?'

Menthak
05-11-2013, 19:28
I don't see that.
We'd had Third fourth and fifth editions with the same mechanics for jump infantry.
Dawn of war 1 was released around 4th ed's release and when dawn of war two came round they put the mechanic in. Then Space Marine from the same company got the mechanic and finally in 6th ed,we got the mechanic on the tabletop.

I imagine in the rules design studio someone pointing enthusiastically at a screen and saying 'do you see? DO YOU SEE?'

"I told you guys a multi-ton gene-enhanced slab of hatred and muscle landing on a Tau would do something!"

SpanielBear
09-11-2013, 11:09
So when those hits then fail to wound... They bounce off? Or hit bits of Tau-shaped battlefield debris?

(More likely some kind of matrix-y side step by the Tau in question. Sadly, due to lack of peripheral vision and the depth perception of a stunned pigeon, the Tau is unable to follow up by levelling his pulse-rifle at the space marine's head and intoning; "dodge this.")

=Angel=
09-11-2013, 18:54
So when those hits then fail to wound... They bounce off? Or hit bits of Tau-shaped battlefield debris?

(More likely some kind of matrix-y side step by the Tau in question. Sadly, due to lack of peripheral vision and the depth perception of a stunned pigeon, the Tau is unable to follow up by levelling his pulse-rifle at the space marine's head and intoning; "dodge this.")

Well, any casualties from the hits are people who didn't get out of the way fast enough/their armour didn't help.
I can see a tau almost getting out of the way and the edge of the marine's boot catching him and throwing him a few metres- but his armour saved him from the worst.
Or the attack just shearing off part of his shoulder pad or wrecking his pulse rifle or amputating a limb.

dram
09-11-2013, 19:10
Ordo Chronos from Dark Heresy is shown in the new Inquisition Codex.