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Royals
08-12-2013, 14:30
I have a question that falls in the modeling/fluff category. Do Dark Angels Veterans have the Crux Terminatus symbol on their shoulder pads? I'm thinking that they don't since those who have been awarded that honor are part of the Deathwing or are a commanding officer of sorts.

The reason I ask is because I am planning on piecing together a squad of Veterans for Kill Team and to use in my Escalation League.

Thoughts?

Azazel
08-12-2013, 14:50
From a pure fluff standpoint the Dark Angels are shrouded in mystery and secrets.

Even if Dark Angel Veterans traditionally don't have the Crux, doesn't mean you couldn't put them on yours without breaking the fluff.

The Emperor
08-12-2013, 14:50
They're not 1st Company, so no. They're members of the 3rd-9th Battle Companies.

Robotlord
08-12-2013, 15:07
The Emperor has it I think, but the follow up question is: What symbol do they have on their right shoulder pad? In the codex us fluff-bunny painters are told exactly how the pads are painted for everyone else, but the vets are left out. Is there another source to look at?

Charistoph
08-12-2013, 15:53
There is the Elite symbol, is that what you are talking about? The full Crux Terminatus is the shield generator built in to TDA, so obviously they won't have the full version of that. But the skull/barred cross symbol used to represent Elites should be as fine as the upward arrow for the Tactical Troops.

Royals
08-12-2013, 16:42
The Crux Terminatus is almost always worn on an Astartes' left shoulder plate, though it may also be worn on one knee plate (this is usually done only in combination with the shoulder plate, however). Only Battle-Brothers who have earned the Crux Terminatus are granted the specialised training required to wear Terminator Armour, having proven themselves worthy of the right to wear these rare and powerful relics of the Imperium's golden age into battle. Veterans who bear the Crux are often given great respect by other Space Marines of their Chapter, and in many such Chapters earning the Crux Terminatus means that the Veteran has also been inducted into the Chapter's elite 1st Company. Such an honour is often the first step towards attaining the upper reaches of command within the ranks of the Adeptus Astartes.

It looks like for me, they're only going on Terminators and Characters

pun3d
08-12-2013, 17:18
Idk if it's accurate but I thought it was a skull with a sword going through it.

Beppo1234
08-12-2013, 17:21
The Emperor has it I think, but the follow up question is: What symbol do they have on their right shoulder pad? In the codex us fluff-bunny painters are told exactly how the pads are painted for everyone else, but the vets are left out. Is there another source to look at?

they have the chapter badge on their left shoulder, and squad markings on the right... I do mine as part of the company first squad (7 man to be exact, and the last 3 men are assigned to the command squad).

Fangschrecken
08-12-2013, 20:07
The Crux just means they have earned the honor of wearing TDA. They can still deploy as Vanguard or Sternguard as the situation dictates, so some veterans not wearing Terminator Armor will have the Crux Terminatus and some won't.

Robotlord
08-12-2013, 21:01
The Crux just means they have earned the honor of wearing TDA. They can still deploy as Vanguard or Sternguard as the situation dictates, so some veterans not wearing Terminator Armor will have the Crux Terminatus and some won't.

But only the 1st company of DA, the Deathwing, wear TDA. I'm pretty sure that therefore no-one outside of the inner circle or the deathwing can bear the crux terminus for DA.

If this is the case, what is the squad marking for DA vets? (e.g. double headed horizontal arrow for tactical marines)

kendaop
08-12-2013, 21:10
But only the 1st company of DA, the Deathwing, wear TDA. I'm pretty sure that therefore no-one outside of the inner circle or the deathwing can bear the crux terminus for DA.

If this is the case, what is the squad marking for DA vets? (e.g. double headed horizontal arrow for tactical marines)

I was always under the impression that there wasn't an official designation amongst the troops, signifying them as "veterans". I thought it was more just that through their experience, they're better fighters (hence the +1A and Ld), and since there's usually only a limited supply of these experienced warriors (or "veterans"), their units are placed under the Elites section of the FOC.

Royals
08-12-2013, 22:05
Well, the Sternguard and Vanguard boxed sets as well as the Command Squad boxed set all have shoulder pads with the Crux Terminatus. So it looks like in a lot of Chapters, Veterans have Terminator Honor, Dark Angels not being one of them.

Freman Bloodglaive
08-12-2013, 22:29
Dark Angels don't necessarily do that, but on the other hand if you want to use that shoulder pad to mark out your veterans go ahead. It's your army, do what you want.

I have about 30 of the plastic crux shoulder pads, and I'm going to do at least a couple of Dark Angel Veteran Squads just because I can.

Beppo1234
10-12-2013, 15:47
Well, the Sternguard and Vanguard boxed sets as well as the Command Squad boxed set all have shoulder pads with the Crux Terminatus. So it looks like in a lot of Chapters, Veterans have Terminator Honor, Dark Angels not being one of them.

the difference is that other chapters draw their sternguard, vanguard and terminator veterans from the 1st company. The DAs field their first company in TDA exclusively, and each company has a number of (less than first company) veterans.

As earlier, I just mark my company veteran squad as the first tactical squad, three of which are assigned to the command squad. GW just uses the fancy right shoulder pads to avoid the whole situation on their studio minis. There is a lack of description in this area, I was looking at the DA chapter summary, but it's lacking in detail (I know the DAs are secretive, and their book should reflect that but...) as well. I'd like to know what the expected layouts for the RW and DW companies are etc.

Charistoph
10-12-2013, 23:09
the difference is that other chapters draw their sternguard, vanguard and terminator veterans from the 1st company. The DAs field their first company in TDA exclusively, and each company has a number of (less than first company) veterans.

Not all. Templars and Space Wolves keep Veterans "in house" with their companies, for example. Most of the Veterans still get TRAINED in TDA, even if they never actually get a chance to use it. This training is reflected by the second Attack in their profile over other Marines. Where Dark Angels 1st Company members differ from other Veterans is their involvement in The Secret of the Unforgiven. If a Veteran has not been steeped in the Secret than they are just Company Veterans.