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Tyron
30-12-2013, 16:14
Hi all,

I am looking to get some trays produced to sell to gamers, and from browsing various forums it seems the most popular brands are KR Multicase and BattleFoam. I would like to talk to all of you to find out which trays you use for your miniatures and why and would also like to hear from you which trays you would like to be produced that are currently unavailable.

I know there's many systems out there and for now I will start with 40k, fantasy and warmachine, however I would like to venture into other systems in the future.

Any and all feedback would be appreciated as it would be pointless me producing trays no one wants or needs.

Thank you


Tl;dr

Why do you like [insert] company?

Which trays do you buy and why?

Which trays would you like to see which haven't been made yet?

Are current prices too high? If so how much do you think is fair?

Melkanador
30-12-2013, 16:30
Im using magnets on my miniature bases and a simple toolsbox to transport my armies.

Tyron
30-12-2013, 16:55
Would you ever consider using foam trays?

Melkanador
30-12-2013, 22:25
Not anymore, as the magnet solution is so much handier for me as I can transport my miniatures at the gaming location better.

Also storing miniatures is much easier. :)

But I began transporting my miniatures with foam trays from Feldherr. Currently Im still using a small bag for DreadBall/Blood Bowl teams.

Tae
30-12-2013, 23:46
I use KR because it's easier for me to have 7-8 cardboard boxes in the cupboard and take the 2 out I want to use on that occasion and take them in the transport bag as opposed to having like 5/6 different GW cases lying around.

Their foams excellent (tough, yet has some give in it), the p&p is easy to get out without any extra damage and they have a mahousive array if custom trays.

Price is about right for trays, though cases are a little on the pricey side.

The Marshel
31-12-2013, 00:50
Kr cardboard cases with basic troop trays. Cheap and great for storage
battlefoam bags with custom trays for army transport. more expensive, but high quality and protection, great for transport

I think something not a lot of people don't clearly point out is that there is often a big difference in the needs for storage and the needs for transport

Herzlos
31-12-2013, 11:12
I use Figures In Comfort, primarily because they do a range of cases that keep the trays horizontal meaning the figures stay roughly where I put them. I never understood the idea of neatly placing minis in trays and then flipping them 90 degrees to carry. They also do cheap plastic storage boxes for additional trays, so I can have everything boxed up and transferred into cases to take out. The fact that they are local guys and at all of the local shows is a big plus too, the customer service is excellent :)

shelfunit.
31-12-2013, 19:07
I've got the double sized KR aluminium case, which has so far been excellent for transporting my various models about. I'm looking forward to getting the card cases for purely storage, and can't see much of a reason not to go with KR there as we'll.

superdupermatt
31-12-2013, 20:36
I have a big metal K&R case that fits about 16 infantry trays? It's pretty all encompassing. I did have a cardboard K&R case but upgraded.

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Skywave
01-01-2014, 07:00
I myself use Army Transport bag (the regular one) and foam. All my armies are magnetized (the infantry at least) to their movement tray, so I just put them into some pluck foam and they're ready to go. The foams are quite cheap at about 7-8$ each, no matter the thickness, so I have foam for pretty much everything and I just put in the bag what I need for a game. Some models take more space than other, but normally I can fit enough in a bag for a 2500-3000pts army.

snafflebug
01-01-2014, 10:12
I use K & R cases too, i play eldar and as the cases they produce are cut to fit all my vehicles it is very handy and i dont have to massacre the foam in a gw case to fit everything in.

The only problem i have with them would be they dont produce larger boxes for specialist and larger items such as the phantom titan, orca and manta to name but a few.

My Brother did have to slice up a GW case in order to fit his tau orca in. hes probably going to make his own case for the manta.

(im guessing producing cases above their set size for such a small market would not be cost effective for KR)

Their prices are pretty good, i dont begrudge paying 30-40 per filled cardboard case due to them being precut for eldar vehicles.

stroller
01-01-2014, 17:01
Most of my cases are GW double size, with either 6 infantry trays, or 3/4 infantry & a pluck tray. I also have a Charon and a GW chaos bag, numerous laptop posting bags and a number of single GW cases. I could use more infantry trays - the point above above storage and transport being different is a good one. Cost is an issue. I balk at paying a lot for a tailored tray (yes I know there's a good argument) and so far plucking or large waffle sheets are protecting my old spiky dark eldar (my most vulnerable).

Tyron
01-01-2014, 17:08
Not anymore, as the magnet solution is so much handier for me as I can transport my miniatures at the gaming location better.

Also storing miniatures is much easier. :)

But I began transporting my miniatures with foam trays from Feldherr. Currently Im still using a small bag for DreadBall/Blood Bowl teams.

Thanks for the input, the magnets are good but no way I could market them.


I use KR because it's easier for me to have 7-8 cardboard boxes in the cupboard and take the 2 out I want to use on that occasion and take them in the transport bag as opposed to having like 5/6 different GW cases lying around.

Their foams excellent (tough, yet has some give in it), the p&p is easy to get out without any extra damage and they have a mahousive array if custom trays.

Price is about right for trays, though cases are a little on the pricey side.

If the cases were a bit bigger and cheaper (with the same quality as KR) would you consider switching?





I think something not a lot of people don't clearly point out is that there is often a big difference in the needs for storage and the needs for transport

A great point. What size case would be too big for you to transport?



I use K & R cases too, i play eldar and as the cases they produce are cut to fit all my vehicles it is very handy and i dont have to massacre the foam in a gw case to fit everything in.

The only problem i have with them would be they dont produce larger boxes for specialist and larger items such as the phantom titan, orca and manta to name but a few.

My Brother did have to slice up a GW case in order to fit his tau orca in. hes probably going to make his own case for the manta.

(im guessing producing cases above their set size for such a small market would not be cost effective for KR)

Their prices are pretty good, i dont begrudge paying 30-40 per filled cardboard case due to them being precut for eldar vehicles.

So if you could get a case which would be a bit bigger but could fit more in for a cheaper price would you switch? I do understand the frustration of not being able to fit larger models in their cases though.

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To all those who posted and those lurking, what would it take for you to switch to a different brand? I am all ears.

Cheers!

shelfunit.
01-01-2014, 17:36
Price. The majority of cases are fairly close on capacity and design, the only thing that they can do to separate themselves is in cost. A significant drop in price from one manufacturer would have me signed up in only a slightly longer amount of time than it took me to hear of it.

Tyron
01-01-2014, 18:29
Price. The majority of cases are fairly close on capacity and design, the only thing that they can do to separate themselves is in cost. A significant drop in price from one manufacturer would have me signed up in only a slightly longer amount of time than it took me to hear of it.

How much of a price drop?

Tae
01-01-2014, 18:48
If the cases were a bit bigger and cheaper (with the same quality as KR) would you consider switching?

Cheers!

Well I'm not buying any more armies at the moment, so it's a bit hard it give a truly accurate answer.

However, if the 'bigger' was still the same size as KR trays, but simply holds more in one case then possibly - however the main thing would have to be the price as KR already have cases of varying sizes up to massive (of which I already have one which is currently empty).

But I do think you'll need to make a decision (or possibly chose both ...) between making the trays GW size or KR size as that will make a huge difference to compatability with people's existing cases/trays.

Morkmillian
01-01-2014, 19:43
hi there.

i use KR cases
for me i use quite a few trays, the main ones are pre cut ones for troops (i usually do 2 plastic to 1 slot or 1 metal to a slot) and its nice to have differant sized troops slots cut out for diff size minis. so i have a few trays of each.
if i need a tray for things like warmachines monsters characters i like to get the kr pick and pluck trays so i can make them the size i need - for me this is best as i probally wouldnt order if i thought i would order the wrong size tray, so its great having the knowladge i can adjust the sizes easily.


i currently have 4 kr cases which i bought a long time ago - the price seems to have gone up which is a bit of a shame since its a carboard case but its still miles cheaper than most other options (not all i realise)
the only other problem i have noticed is i am getting wear and tear on the cardboard at the "hinge" where it opens and closes and the card section that slots over the plastic carry handle.
also my last "problem" with the kr cases and ones of a similer design is that if i have with me 2 or 3 boxes and i need troops from the bottom trays i am forever pulling trays out and moving them around.

it would be nice to have a solution for faster access to trays but i dont now how this could be dont without damaging models as you drag trays out the middle :P

all in all good luck!!


if there was a company that provided cheaper cases that i could fit more in i would deffo try them out since i am currently looking at needing 3 - 4 more cases.

Tyron
01-01-2014, 19:54
I use Figures In Comfort, primarily because they do a range of cases that keep the trays horizontal meaning the figures stay roughly where I put them. I never understood the idea of neatly placing minis in trays and then flipping them 90 degrees to carry.

I would think because of the weapons pointing out you'd need bigger holes?

Keravin
02-01-2014, 13:08
I use Figures in Comfort as well and the fact they have the same size foam as GW is a benefit. I will be looking at getting a KR backpack at some point.

Herzlos
02-01-2014, 18:13
I would think because of the weapons pointing out you'd need bigger holes?

To an extent; I've had to cut the side walls on a few of the trays to fit mini's in, but that's no different to any other case. What I mean is that for the cases I've got, the trays are transported as you'd load them, the gap at the top is still at the top when you're carrying it, rather than at the side, so the mini's aren't flipped, are pretty much as I packed them and I can't open it upside down.

Like this:

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Sildani
02-01-2014, 22:16
I've used Sabol Army Transports for 10 years with no complaint, and I just grabbed a Motor Pool. I like Battlefoam, but they're bloody expensive.

I suppose what I'd like would be foam and cases which transport safely, are sufficiently large to hold Eldar Hemlock Wraithfighters (hence the Motor Pool), and are durable - both foam and case. It would be excellent to take a page from KR and make cardboard sleeves the foam trays could slide into for long-term storage. And without costing too much!

Weird colors, foam engraving, etc. - to me, these things are frivolous and unnecessary.

What IS necessary, though, are external pockets to hold the plethora of paraphenalia a wargamer needs to function. These, too, need to be sturdy, especially if one keeps all of his/her rulebooks in an iPad and carries that to games.

Perhaps even more than army transport, though, I need a case that can hold paints and brushes and hobby tools. One case I can pick up that holds many pots of paint, my wet palette, water jars, paint brushes, brush cleaner, AND the project I'm working on (Wraithfighter size or smaller. I'm not unreasonable). Ideally, the brushes would be stored upright, protected from damage, and yet have airflow so the wet bristles could dry. Bonus points if the case's side can fold down and become a work surface that holds a self-healing cutting mat. :) Basically, something I can take anywhere in the house, or on the road, and I have EVERYTHING I need for the current job - including the job itself. Then I can pack it all away and put it out of sight of neat-freak wives and vengeful cats (my Scorpion Mark I, I barely knew ye..)

Seen Toy Story 2? Remember the Cleaner's case? Something like that, but soft, without the built-in airbrush compressor (and hat rack). Here it is. (http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=C0Lv_FMci_8&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DC0Lv_FMci_8)

shelfunit.
03-01-2014, 17:47
How much of a price drop?

Right now on the KRs I would say about 1/3. As morkmillan said, the prices have gone up (by seemingly GW-esque levels) in the few years since I bought my last case, and I have no interest in spending half again the cost of my army to store it.

MusingWarboss
03-01-2014, 22:49
I like KR cases and foam. I've got four boxes of it, it's good for my purposes, which is mostly storage. I can group my models as I want and when I need to go somewhere I just grab the relevant case(s) put them in a holdall and go. I may get a dedicated KR bag sometime but for the moment an ordinary travellers one is fine.

They have gone up a little bit in price but it's not too bad yet, especially compared to Battlefoam.

Same quality as KR cases and foam, 1/3 off the price as shelfunit says and I may be tempted. But the quality would have to be the same, no cheap card or stiff foam. And no bags full of hardened panels that transfer the shock of impact though the stiff foam to the models rather than taking the impact themselves. Bags shouldn't be armoured like tanks, they should be like cars - crumple zones that take the impact and protect the occupant (models in this instance). I want the models to survive, not the bag/case. If they're cheap (like card) then they should in theory be cheap to replace too when dead (unlike solid plastic which cracks and becomes useless and is really expensive to replace).

Sorry, rambling there...



Perhaps even more than army transport, though, I need a case that can hold paints and brushes and hobby tools. One case I can pick up that holds many pots of paint, my wet palette, water jars, paint brushes, brush cleaner, AND the project I'm working on (Wraithfighter size or smaller. I'm not unreasonable). Ideally, the brushes would be stored upright, protected from damage, and yet have airflow so the wet bristles could dry. Bonus points if the case's side can fold down and become a work surface that holds a self-healing cutting mat. :) Basically, something I can take anywhere in the house, or on the road, and I have EVERYTHING I need for the current job - including the job itself. Then I can pack it all away and put it out of sight of neat-freak wives and vengeful cats (my Scorpion Mark I, I barely knew ye..)

Seen Toy Story 2? Remember the Cleaner's case? Something like that, but soft, without the built-in airbrush compressor (and hat rack). Here it is. (http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=C0Lv_FMci_8&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DC0Lv_FMci_8)

You don't mean one of these do you: https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-J_no25Nk1cI/URhCwOZ4_uI/AAAAAAAADoc/50LyrzKt6RY/s640/blogger-image-1141760071.jpg

I wanted one of these for some of my on-the-fly painting over at friends houses. They're from modelmaq but I think they've stopped making them now.

You could knock up something vaguely similar yourself. KR does paint tray foam and I think Battlefoam does a "hobby tray and paint tray load out" which you can use in their bags along with one which will hold your project. Not quite as specific I guess but certainly doable.

Sildani
04-01-2014, 02:54
Ohhhh myyyyy...

Yes, that's pretty much spot on. Having done a bit of research, though, I don't need quite that much awesome; and upon reading other fora, my wallet really can't handle that much awesome.

That said, although those are excellent, they're still a bit overkill. I don't NEED rotary paint pot trays, for example. (No. No I don't. Shaddup, brain!)

But that's the IDEA I need. Thanks, I never knew those even existed!

Tyron
04-01-2014, 10:58
To an extent; I've had to cut the side walls on a few of the trays to fit mini's in, but that's no different to any other case. What I mean is that for the cases I've got, the trays are transported as you'd load them, the gap at the top is still at the top when you're carrying it, rather than at the side, so the mini's aren't flipped, are pretty much as I packed them and I can't open it upside down.

Like this:

184524

Thanks for the pic. Something like this would be good for rank and file miniatures as their weapons/arms don't poke out, but you wouldn't buy one of the traditional cases even if they were cheaper?




It would be excellent to take a page from KR and make cardboard sleeves the foam trays could slide into for long-term storage. And without costing too much!

Do you mean a shelf unit? I'm confused :S




What IS necessary, though, are external pockets to hold the plethora of paraphenalia a wargamer needs to function. These, too, need to be sturdy, especially if one keeps all of his/her rulebooks in an iPad and carries that to games.

Sadly this would be in the very distant future as I would be starting off with the cases but something I would like to do if the cases pick up quickly.




Seen Toy Story 2? Remember the Cleaner's case? Something like that, but soft, without the built-in airbrush compressor (and hat rack). Here it is. (http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=C0Lv_FMci_8&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DC0Lv_FMci_8)

A very cool case but this would be way too advanced as this stage, I just want to start off storing models and then go from there :)


Right now on the KRs I would say about 1/3. As morkmillan said, the prices have gone up (by seemingly GW-esque levels) in the few years since I bought my last case, and I have no interest in spending half again the cost of my army to store it.

If the sets were 5 cheaper would that be enough?




Same quality as KR cases and foam, 1/3 off the price as shelfunit says and I may be tempted. But the quality would have to be the same, no cheap card or stiff foam. And no bags full of hardened panels that transfer the shock of impact though the stiff foam to the models rather than taking the impact themselves.

The trays and case would be made of the same materials but sold at a cheaper price. I would never sell a shoddy item and be disingenuous to gamers when I am one myself.



Bags shouldn't be armoured like tanks, they should be like cars - crumple zones that take the impact and protect the occupant (models in this instance). I want the models to survive, not the bag/case. If they're cheap (like card) then they should in theory be cheap to replace too when dead (unlike solid plastic which cracks and becomes useless and is really expensive to replace).

At the moment I am just starting off with cases and trays, I would like to move onto bags in the distant future though as I am funding all of this out of my own pocket.

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Again thanks for the replies and keep them coming. Nearly 900 views and under 30 replies :/

shelfunit.
04-01-2014, 12:42
Do you mean a shelf unit? I'm confused :s

Shelf units are great ;)

Tyron
04-01-2014, 12:56
Shelf units are great ;)

Ha! But if the cases with the foam was 5 cheaper than what KR sell would that entice you? And there would be an easy fix for your KR trays to fit my bigger case.

shelfunit.
04-01-2014, 19:20
Ha! But if the cases with the foam was 5 cheaper than what KR sell would that entice you? And there would be an easy fix for your KR trays to fit my bigger case.

On firestorm(sp?) games web store the prices appear to be a acceptable, looks like their rrp is pre-price rise at 25.

EDIT: that doesn't include delivery, which the KR website automatically adds to their price, but for sending to Europe it works out as a total of 29.50 delivered from FSG, compared to about 35 direct from KR, so a roughly 18.5% discount. Tempting, but I might just wait until salute and pick one up then.

Herzlos
06-01-2014, 08:12
Thanks for the pic. Something like this would be good for rank and file miniatures as their weapons/arms don't poke out, but you wouldn't buy one of the traditional cases even if they were cheaper?

Nope. I've had traditional cases and sold them off in favour of these things as they do what I need perfectly.

The only other trays I'd buy would need to be compatible with them, and since I see them at most of the shows I visit they'd need to be a lot cheaper to justify the switch. But if you could find some other niche that makes my hobby better then I'd be tempted.