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Ratbeast
26-03-2014, 06:34
White Dwarf and visions, who else has stopped buying it?

MajorWesJanson
26-03-2014, 06:54
I stopped buying WD shortly after the redesign. I have started getting the WD weekly books though. They sell decently at my FLGS. Visions though does very poorly, and I have not bought it yet.

Importman
26-03-2014, 07:28
I stopped buying WD shortly after the redesign. I have started getting the WD weekly books though. They sell decently at my FLGS. Visions though does very poorly, and I have not bought it yet.

I did exactly the same. Have had a WD subscription forever. But then just didn't bother to renew it even when GW posted some "deals" they had for it. Not worth it for negligible hobby related articles, read ARTICLES, and mostly ads for their next great army/new release.

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Coasty
26-03-2014, 11:33
I bought one of the weekly White Dwarfs. It was ok, I suppose, but it was like reading the middle few pages of a REAL WD from back in the day. I haven't bought another as, seriously, who has time to go to all the way in to the city just to visit GW once a week? Even if I could be bothered with the hassle, the travel would double the cost of the magazine and it just isn't worth that much.

I've never bought the other thing. Maybe if it was all orks one month, I might, but without actual words in it, it would be very unlikely.

Nogginthenog
26-03-2014, 11:47
Not buying either.

Visions is useless as a hobby product and poorly executed as a picture book, so I can't really see who it is intended for. I actually think the weekly is reasonably well done as a print mag, but as I do not regularly go anywhere near a GW store to buy it, I was restricted to the digital version, which is just pathetic, and I felt quite insulted at what I actually got for my money it is so badly done as a product. So I only bought the one, and never again.

Athelassan
26-03-2014, 15:55
Not to blow my own trumpet too loudly, but if anyone hasn't voted on this poll (http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?389924-White-Dwarf-Visions-Subscription-Poll), additional data is always useful:

Grocklock
26-03-2014, 18:59
Visions nope, not something I'm interested in.

Weekly I have bought them on the ipad, people are aware that they are a digital version for all android products. So I don't herb to go to the store.

I've picked up a couple really good. Couple of pages at the front with latest models then articles, new rules. (Data slate) in the last WD.

Much better then the Renoir about a year ago.

S_A_T_S
26-03-2014, 19:32
I still have a subscribtion for only 2 reasons:
1. I haven't been arsed to make the cancellation phone call yet
2. I am still on the 9 a quarter subscription, so I'm getting 22.50 of RRP for 9, which seems almost too much of a good deal to give up, even if I see no point in the magazine.
My wife enjoys Visions, but then she has no interest in playing the games, she just loves the art and painting, which is all the content in Visions. I only really enjoyed the articles, mostly Standard Bearer (Blanchitsu is in no way an article, even though it seems presented as that) and the final section where the studio and WD team talk about what they have been doing that month. That was the closest to the old White Dwarf it's been for years. WD started to die for me when the new Codex piece stopped telling you anything about the rules and just became "Look at the pretty pictures!".

mrtn
26-03-2014, 22:10
I let my WD subscription lapse last summer and haven't bought anything GW since. From what I've seen online Visions doesn't seem to cut it, and I don't visit a store once a week so see no reason to try to keep up with the collection.

Azazyll
26-03-2014, 22:41
I quit years ago, when I realized they weren't going to print anymore index astartes content. I tried the WD weekly when I heard the knight rules were going to be in it, assuming that no one would be such an ass as to not tell you the actual rulebook would be out a week later. That, and the complete lack of any real content besides the single page of rules, made me realize it was a waste of money, even if it is "the cost of a paintpot."

Fortunately, they have real stuff on the digital store. Of course, they make you feel like a chump if you don't wait for the bundle deal, so there's still that authentic "GW screwed me out of some money" feeling.

Inquisitor Engel
26-03-2014, 23:15
I quite enjoyed my one week with the Knights and I felt like there was some reasonable content, but eh. I can get it all online really, or similar.

Abaraxas
27-03-2014, 05:53
I haven't bought a White Dwarf for what must be over 5 years.

Spider-pope
27-03-2014, 13:54
I bought the first copy of Visions, never buying another. WDW on the other hand i pick up every week.

Mordian 7th
27-03-2014, 16:15
I have not bought a WD in well over 7 or 8 years now, maybe more, i stoped buying it before i got a job in GW, and even then we were given a free one (not sure if thats still the case) and i still dident take it, i just gave my free copy to a friend who was still intrested in it, with the announcment of the new redone WD, it did peak my intrest untill i started to hear some feed back from people who bought it irl and online, and got the feeling it was even worse than the now old WD which was pretty bad.

Shishio
28-03-2014, 09:10
White Dwarf and visions, who else has stopped buying it?

Well I never buyed them to beging with. I did buy the old monthly WD but in france it was availble in any book stores, now the new version is only availble in GW shop which is 100km away from me, so no no way I'm making 100Km every weeks. And vision well peoples told me the magazine was garbage, and the size an price didn't helped either. When GW will stop this mess and go back to the old monthly WD formula again, I'll maybe buy it again.

Spider-pope
28-03-2014, 12:41
Well I never buyed them to beging with. I did buy the old monthly WD but in france it was availble in any book stores, now the new version is only availble in GW shop which is 100km away from me, so no no way I'm making 100Km every weeks. And vision well peoples told me the magazine was garbage, and the size an price didn't helped either. When GW will stop this mess and go back to the old monthly WD formula again, I'll maybe buy it again.

Oh even though i buy the weekly version, i will certainly echo your last point. I'd much rather still have the monthly White Dwarf.

Mordian 7th
28-03-2014, 13:51
Oh even though i buy the weekly version, i will certainly echo your last point. I'd much rather still have the monthly White Dwarf.

Do you think maybe thats the ultimate plan of evil doom? have us hateing the current format, so that when they go back to the old format we will welcome it with open arms.

Inquisitor Engel
28-03-2014, 14:21
Do you think maybe thats the ultimate plan of evil doom? have us hateing the current format, so that when they go back to the old format we will welcome it with open arms.

Slurm Queen: As for you, you will be submerged in Royal Slurm, which, in a matter of minutes, will transform you into a Slurm Queen like myself.
Small Glurmo #1: But, Your Highness, she's a commoner. Her Slurm will taste foul.
Slurm Queen: Yes! Which is why we'll market it as New Slurm. Then, when everyone hates it, we'll bring back Slurm Classic and make billions!

Mordian 7th
28-03-2014, 15:22
Slurm Queen: As for you, you will be submerged in Royal Slurm, which, in a matter of minutes, will transform you into a Slurm Queen like myself.
Small Glurmo #1: But, Your Highness, she's a commoner. Her Slurm will taste foul.
Slurm Queen: Yes! Which is why we'll market it as New Slurm. Then, when everyone hates it, we'll bring back Slurm Classic and make billions!

Thats the best explanation i have ever seen.

@allmyownbattles
30-03-2014, 19:55
I have the tear of voucher subscription and, even though it means that issues are now technically free, I've stopped getting them.

I got both Visions so far and two issues of WD but found both disappointing. I was gonna buy all of the dwarf issues of WD for the paint recipes but then realised they were collated in Visions. If I get any in future, it'll be for the recipes and that's it.

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Kingly
30-03-2014, 21:10
Still buying weekly, love it. Great toilet read.

Seriqolm
30-03-2014, 22:46
No, still buying both weekly and Visions really looking forward to issue 3 with all the Imperial Knight and Hellbrute pics. :)

RevEv
30-03-2014, 23:52
How can anyone still buy something that they never bought in the first place?

After having Visions forced on me by the subscription debacle (seriously GW, is that what you really thought your Veteran gamers wanted?) I have not picked up another copy of Visions nor shall I... it's too glossy to make even acceptable loo paper.

On the other hand I have bought all the White Dwarf Weekly magazines. They are a good read and I have again the excitement I used to have getting WD confirming the rumours that I see on these forums. Some good articles, some mediocre, a few meh!

venus_redscar
31-03-2014, 00:39
I guess I am not the only person alive who likes Visions...

Mordian 7th
31-03-2014, 00:47
You think you could make some sort of business out of the new White Dwarf Weekly? from reading this thread and also talking to alot for friends, it seems alot of people cant really get the WDW, here in Northern Ireland we only have one GW in the whole country, like so many people have said, its not worth the cost in travel to go to there closest GW to pick up there WDW, my friend would have to travel two and a half hours just to get here in Belfast to get his WDW from the GW store, hell even me its not worth the bus fair to go get it, so what about selling them online? do you think your local GW would mind if you went in and bought 50 WDW's and walked on out with them :P

Athelassan
31-03-2014, 06:48
Do you think your local GW would mind if you went in and bought 50 WDW's and walked on out with them :P
Whether they minded or not, if you're buying at retail price you're not going to be making enough profit to make it worth your while - as soon as you start adding a margin and/or postage to that people are going to be less inclined to buy it (it's already fairly expensive for what it is; just cheaper than anything else GW do so looks reasonable by comparison...) and GW won't give you a discount for bulk buying because apparently they want this to be direct sales only - if they made it available to independent stockists I'm sure those who took the old WD would take Weekly in preference to Visions. God knows why GW have decided to make it direct only and not offer a subscription, but that's the way it is.

Ricky
31-03-2014, 08:42
@ Venus Redscar: You're not the only one. I really like it, but I like pretty pictures. Wish it had more GD stuff and less studio stuff but it's pretty good I think.

RevEv
04-04-2014, 17:07
If Visions were a few pounds cheaper and had not been forced upon me as a WD replacement because I had a subscription I may be more accepting of it.

As it is it's an overpriced load of ........!

Waagh Rider
04-04-2014, 22:05
As someone with no interest in either 40K or LOTR, I only buy the fantasy issues pf WD - it's saved me a lot of money so far, as I can be fairly certain when an issue is mainly fantasy and avoid the other ones, instead of having to put up with a load of other content I don't want. And at 2.40 an issue or whatever, plus a discount at my LGS it's a bargain and doesn't take up as much space as the old ones!
As for Visions - I would buy it at a fiver occasionally. I will NEVER buy it at 7.50....

Archibald_TK
05-04-2014, 07:14
I was very positive regarding WH:V when it was released. Also I found our sales of WDW to be far better than the previous incarnation of WD. Alas two months latter I'm far less happy. For three weeks I've seen WDW no longer selling out (which annoys me greatly as I now have to deal with the UK for unsold magazines) and WHV sales have tanked.

Sad thing is that I enjoyed WH:V just for being miniature porn (I couldn't care less that I can get pics on the Internet, I want them on paper support). But I find the major mess up in the last European WH:V so unacceptable that I have no intention of getting the April one. And to me skipping such a magazine once means that I won't bother ever again (I'm not a collector maniac, but when I actually go through the pain of starting collecting something, it must be something that realistically can end up complete else I stop right in my track).

Sanai
05-04-2014, 09:20
I buy them- anything with decent step by step painting guides is gold for me. Combine that with almost all WD issues having rules of some kind in them (like the recent WD that gave rules for using Exalted Flamers outside of Chariots) and its much better value than WD used to be in my book.

It does annoy me when I see threads where the title contains a clear bias-
i.e "who else has stopped buying it" implies that only people who have stopped buying the product should answer, and those who still buy it should keep quiet.
another example is "Games Workshop, where did it all go wrong?"

Now lets translate those into objective, fair thread titles that leave the poster looking a lot more credible and open minded.

"White Dwarf & Visions- Do you still buy them" (A really tiny rewording, and all of a sudden the thread has the illusion that you are welcome to post opinions from either side of the debate)
"Games Workshop, Did it all go wrong, and when?"

BFalcon
05-04-2014, 11:10
I stopped buying WD years ago when I walked away from GW for a while and came back later.

I was recently bought Visions by my mum - she'd been out shopping and saw it in the racks and thought I'd enjoy it. Asking her to return it was really embarrassing, but had it been a weekly WD, I might have kept it as a one-off, but there's no way I can justify 7.50 on a magazine that has no real value, long-term.

Geep
05-04-2014, 11:42
I used to buy WD, just because I'm rather fanatical when it comes to collecting. I'm partly grateful for the magazine split and change, as I no longer feel like I should buy either to complete a collection.

I got the first issue of WH:V just because it was the first one, and I like Tyranids. I'll never get it again, unless they manage a particularly good one for another race I play.
I have bought a few WDW, but am not really impressed. I just got them for a few rules of interest to me (the Knight and Scion stats).

I may be more inclined to buy WDW if it was more easily available. My local GW is a fair trip away, so I don't like going there.

According to the store manager at my local shop, WDW sells very well and WH:V is also popular. Supposedly 'collectors' prefer WH:V. I really doubt that, but am not there often enough to have an idea myself.

ObiWayneKenobi
05-04-2014, 12:27
It's funny, I picked up a digital issue of No Quarter (privateer press's magazine) and it instantly reminded me of the old White Dwarf. There are articles about painting, modeling, a special scenario, the typical news, some SMALL advertisements for upcoming things, and since they also have an RPG there's also the start of an adventure for that - it's like a combination of Dungeon magazine and White Dwarf of old. And it's like $5.00 digitally, or $8.50 in print.

That's how a magazine should be. Visions should be some kind of half a year "coffee table" magazine, not monthly. And WDW... well, it seems to have just lost its soul, like most things GW has done.

Matthias Thulmann
06-04-2014, 20:38
I buy them- anything with decent step by step painting guides is gold for me. Combine that with almost all WD issues having rules of some kind in them (like the recent WD that gave rules for using Exalted Flamers outside of Chariots) and its much better value than WD used to be in my book.

It does annoy me when I see threads where the title contains a clear bias-
i.e "who else has stopped buying it" implies that only people who have stopped buying the product should answer, and those who still buy it should keep quiet.
another example is "Games Workshop, where did it all go wrong?"

Now lets translate those into objective, fair thread titles that leave the poster looking a lot more credible and open minded.

"White Dwarf & Visions- Do you still buy them" (A really tiny rewording, and all of a sudden the thread has the illusion that you are welcome to post opinions from either side of the debate)
"Games Workshop, Did it all go wrong, and when?"


Completely agree with this re bias of topics when open discussion should be encouraged.

Sotek
06-04-2014, 20:57
I've not stopped because I never started. I got the tau issue and lizard man issue and regret is as they were nothing but catalogues.

Hoffa
07-04-2014, 08:39
But I find the major mess up in the last European WH:V

Can anyone provide some details on this. Is it worse than the horrible fullpage mess ups in the first WH:V. (The ones where models got so distorted by the binding that the tyranid monsters looked to be on base shaped like an '8')

shelfunit.
07-04-2014, 09:33
Can anyone provide some details on this. Is it worse than the horrible fullpage mess ups in the first WH:V. (The ones where models got so distorted by the binding that the tyranid monsters looked to be on base shaped like an '8')

Wasn't the text on one or more pages just a repeated Chinese character instead of what it should have been?

Archibald_TK
07-04-2014, 18:31
Can anyone provide some details on this. Is it worse than the horrible fullpage mess ups in the first WH:V. (The ones where models got so distorted by the binding that the tyranid monsters looked to be on base shaped like an '8')
For multiple pages in the middle of the magazine, instead of having English/German/French text, the non English columns were filled by a Chinese Hanzi (I corrected so that Chinese people don't punch me in the face for calling it a Kanji) for one and a Japanese Katakana for the other repeated on the whole column.

This is probably the format used as a placeholder so that the team translating the other version of WH:W know where to put the Chinese and Japanese text. For such a huge mistake to end up in the European version of the magazine, over multiple pages, and not get caught is what I call a major mess up. The magazine is far from free, produced in the UK not in China so they shall have quite a good control over the content. This is not something I consider acceptable.

leopard
07-04-2014, 18:35
Guess it shows not even GW read it?

Printing errors do happen of course and can happen to anyone....

JackHamm3r
07-04-2014, 21:16
I think proofreading is to expensive for wh:v :D

leopard
07-04-2014, 21:30
You would have thought that proof reading it, on a 'pence per word' basis wouldn't be that expensive though...

Maybe GW knew and we seeing if they actually needed to put text in, or indeed if anyone noticed?

de Selby
08-04-2014, 18:30
You would have thought that proof reading it, on a 'pence per word' basis wouldn't be that expensive though...

Maybe GW knew and we seeing if they actually needed to put text in, or indeed if anyone noticed?

Hah. If a tree falls on a GW proofreader, and nobody hears it, does it make a sound?


I never bought Visions, I have bought two of WDW, which makes it a kind of success because I hadn't bought WD for years. I can imagine buying more in future if
a) it stays the same price
b) it has something interesting to me in a given week
c) I happen to be near a GW store that week.

Brother Asmodeus
08-04-2014, 18:45
I worked for G-Dubya for many years in retail and we got a free copy of WD. I generally glanced it anf put it back on the shelves. In my last 4 years there I took maybe 3 - 5 copies home to read due to lack of or poor content.

leopard
08-04-2014, 19:12
Personally I'm hoping the idea of compendiums comes back, seems a simple enough thing for GW to do - take the stuff form WDW that isn't already in something else, bind it and sell it.

The only real cost is going through the rules and descriptions and making sure there are enough spelling mistakes and that they contradict FAQ/new products issued since just, well just because.

Archibald_TK
09-04-2014, 18:46
Oh GW, you never cease to amaze me!

Today I took a look at the new WDW. Paused. Took last week WDW to check. Paused...
Near the end of the magazine is an ad for that month WH:V. You see the cover and some pages inside... guess which pages they have chosen to show? The one where the columns are messed up with the Chinese and Japanese characters repeated ad vitam eternam! That sure is a good ad for WH:V. I wonder if it's only in our version of WDW or if the UK ones have the same ad, but that was quite funny.

Inquisitor Engel
09-04-2014, 19:57
Oh GW, you never cease to amaze me!

Today I took a look at the new WDW. Paused. Took last week WDW to check. Paused...
Near the end of the magazine is an ad for that month WH:V. You see the cover and some pages inside... guess which pages they have chosen to show? The one where the columns are messed up with the Chinese and Japanese characters repeated ad vitam eternam! That sure is a good ad for WH:V. I wonder if it's only in our version of WDW or if the UK ones have the same ad, but that was quite funny.

Having worked in print, I can tell you - sometimes things just need to ship. Print deadlines are HARD.

shelfunit.
09-04-2014, 20:26
Having worked in print, I can tell you - sometimes things just need to ship. Print deadlines are HARD.

And they didn't take pictures of any other pages from the WV? Poor excuses are poor :eyebrows:.

Voss
12-04-2014, 06:17
White Dwarf and visions, who else has stopped buying it?

Who actually started? I gave up on WD a decade or so ago. That they're scrambling through multiple redesigns in a handful of years and pushing a content delivery system past the realms of practicality. That they can can get people to pay for a months worth of content 5 separate times is beyond bizarre to me.

Born Again
12-04-2014, 06:56
I've bought 2 of the weekly WD, the first one to check it out, and the one with the Helbrutes, which I was keen to read the designer's notes for. I'll continue to buy it if there's something that specifically grabs my interest, like one of the armies I play getting a new book or wave of models, etc. For general news, we have the internet. I haven't touched one of the monthly Visions yet, and at their price and being sealed in a bag so you can't even take a look before buying, I'm not going to until they do one centering on one of my main armies.

williamsond
14-04-2014, 12:51
if i could pick up a White Dwarf Weekly at a service station as I'm driving up and down the country, maybe I would buy one once in a while but I can't, so I don't, a seven pounds odd and lacking any real content i will never buy Visions.

Azariahjohn
17-04-2014, 11:46
I stopped buying it when i got to know that it stopped really giving that output i mean in terms of the performance,That started being a bother for me.I guess that is a correct highlight mate and there is nothing really bad with that.You just need to know that what is the appropriate thing for you especially when it comes to use it has to be the one.

nedsta
17-04-2014, 21:05
My local newsagent always stocked three copies of White Dwarf and they would be gone within two days of release. I was in there yesterday and they still have all three copies of Visions on the shelf and the owner said he's only sold one copy of it when it first came out.

BFalcon
18-04-2014, 11:59
Personally I'm hoping the idea of compendiums comes back, seems a simple enough thing for GW to do - take the stuff form WDW that isn't already in something else, bind it and sell it.

The only real cost is going through the rules and descriptions and making sure there are enough spelling mistakes and that they contradict FAQ/new products issued since just, well just because.

From what I've heard (not read WD in years), it would be hard to find enough rules and articles that were current enough to do so... the speed at which GW replaces its own material now is far higher than it was when the old compendiums were made.

Shishio
22-04-2014, 10:02
I did for a simple reason... before it was a monthly magazin availble everywhere... Now I can't find a store seeling it closer than 100KM .... now way !

And vison look lame as hell and far to much expensive.

Man I really with GW would go back to the old WD formula soon...

TimLeeson
22-04-2014, 12:36
Last WD I bought was the assault on black reach one, cos it came with 2 free models. Havent bought one since and doubt I will do, even if it's for an army I like. If WDW was about 80p I'd probably get issues I like, otherwise can't be bothered. Would never ever buy WD:V.

carlospictor
22-04-2014, 20:00
Got three issues of Warhammer Visions - I tried! I really did. They all went in the recycling today, alongside the last 16 months of White dwarf (since the previous reboot). Cancelled my direct debit too.

Feel sad about the loss of what was something I grew up with, but also like a small psychological weight has been lifted.

theredknight
22-04-2014, 22:41
also feel sad for the loss as i have been so many years buying wd, but the new format was the nail in the coffin for me.
i still read my good old wd issues from time to time :yes:

Herzlos
23-04-2014, 08:02
And they didn't take pictures of any other pages from the WV? Poor excuses are poor :eyebrows:.

It really does seem just phoned in, does it? Like they either didn't notice it was messed up, or didn't care enough to find a decent page (or just accepted that there won't be a decent page).

It also seems a bit insulting that at least 1 page of the 32-page weekly is dedicated to advertising the monthly that's almost always sitting right next to it. The same ad 4 times in a row. It's even worse when you realise that the weekly is only available in gaming stores, so it's not as if many people will get a weekly without seeing the monthly at the same time.

Herzlos
23-04-2014, 08:04
My local newsagent always stocked three copies of White Dwarf and they would be gone within two days of release. I was in there yesterday and they still have all three copies of Visions on the shelf and the owner said he's only sold one copy of it when it first came out.

So someone gave it the benefit of the doubt and then gave up on it. I'm hardly surprised; it's seriously expensive for a good magazine, and it's a long way from being a good magazine.

williamsond
23-04-2014, 09:41
I glanced at a WD weekley last thursday when I was in GW last week trying to buy a set of the old style craters (they didn't have any of the old ones left) anyway, i didn't like it, it feels too shallow and thin and looks like you should be getting it as a free magazine when you enter the shop. I'm not sure how well it's selling, but if as a grown up I wouldn't be able get my hands on it reguarly due to it not being sold via normal sales channels, I cant see it doing very well across the board. As for visions I think every one is saying the same it was a turkey when it came out and will be gone sooner rather than later.

carlospictor
01-05-2014, 07:27
My final subscription copy of Warhammer Visions arrived yesterday. Even though I hadn't bought any of last months Weeklies, it was still just 15 minutes before it went in the recycling.

At 7.50, WH:V is at the top-end of monthly magazine pricing, but just lacks anything of value or worth.

Such a shame.

BFalcon
01-05-2014, 10:47
My final subscription copy of Warhammer Visions arrived yesterday. Even though I hadn't bought any of last months Weeklies, it was still just 15 minutes before it went in the recycling.

At 7.50, WH:V is at the top-end of monthly magazine pricing, but just lacks anything of value or worth.

Such a shame.

I didn't get one - no way I was paying 7.50 for a magazine without knowing there was some serious content in there. You pay around that for some of these magazines with stuff attached to them, so no idea what GW is thinking here... and they didn't even have the decency to say "here, let us release the first one for only a couple of quid so that people can see what this is all about...

It's not even like GW has the monopoly on decent painters nowadays... if you go online you can find loads of pretty decent minis for free... I'd sooner spend that money on printing out pics of the minis I like and sending a small gratuity to the artist themselves.

Visker
01-05-2014, 14:48
I always feel bad for the GW Staff when they push for me to purchase Visions.
7.50 feels too expensive for something I see as just a magazine with pictures.
And from what I've seen regarding printing/translation errors... it pushes me further into the "I'm not buying that Camp"

The Weekly I'll get if it's got something I'm interested in. I'll skip it if not. (Citadel tool issue, for example)

BFalcon
01-05-2014, 14:54
I always feel bad for the GW Staff when they push for me to purchase Visions.
7.50 feels too expensive for something I see as just a magazine with pictures.
And from what I've seen regarding printing/translation errors... it pushes me further into the "I'm not buying that Camp"

The Weekly I'll get if it's got something I'm interested in. I'll skip it if not. (Citadel tool issue, for example)

The trouble is, they seem to have gotten it backwards - the weekly WD isn't available in regular newsagents, but the crappy overpriced picturebook is... surely that's the wrong way around?

Herzlos
01-05-2014, 14:58
It's very much the wrong way round, but that's the way it is. It's also sealed, so you can't even flick through to see if it's worth buying (because then you'll notice how little content it has).

Naley
02-05-2014, 15:07
Got my renewal notice this week. Said something like "we are sure you have decided to renew...". I will not:rolleyes: All the pictures are ok to look for inspiration but I want something to read. The weekly magazine has some readable parts and the hobby(main reason) tips I enjoy so I rather buy that every week. The Imperial Knight Vision was almost a copy paste from weekly in the hobby section fellt robbed:D Can only see myself picking up visions if its an army I collect. The tyranid(tough I do not collect them) one was cool - alot of colour schemes for the different fleets that did not make the main magazine.

dalezzz
02-05-2014, 20:15
I like that visions has a massive WHITE DWARF sign slapped on the front of it :)

Mallo
02-05-2014, 20:56
It's very much the wrong way round, but that's the way it is. It's also sealed, so you can't even flick through to see if it's worth buying (because then you'll notice how little content it has).



This. What got me into GW all those long years ago was picking up a copy of white dwarf in the shop and seeing the awesome pictures of the epic scale tanks, the huge necromunda set ups and all those cardboard inserts for warhammer quest.

I saw visions in whsmiths, and I thought I'd at least give it a flick though and see for myself if it was worth the time and money. But I couldn't, so even if there's an issue that really appeals to me I wont bother picking it up. Especially since that not bothering is almost a whole box of grots more I can buy!

I would have liked the weekly, even if it was just to check it out for my self, but the cost of driving in to town, parking and then that on top, is not worth it, not when blogs have everything from white dwarf up on their sites before its even on sale.

Managed to pick up a huge pile to white dwarf issues from around the 2001-2007-ish period though that I didn't have, and some some issues of =I= and warmaster mags, all for a mere 5, that should keep me in reading until the next white dwarf redesign!

Late
04-05-2014, 07:36
I bought a copy of WH:V on a whim, but it's a complete waste of money. As to WD:W, I can't get my hands on it since I don't like visiting GW Helsinki.

Poncho160
04-05-2014, 08:24
My local tesco has stopped selling visions and they have no plans of selling it in the future apparently.

Lord Xcapobl
04-05-2014, 08:40
When Warhammer Visions came out, I bought one. I then decided to buy another one, to see if they would improve. Knowing that customer feedback takes some time to affect things, I also bought number 3, the famous one with all the chinese and japanese characters on quite a few pages. This has led me to believe that change is not about to happen, and quality is easily subservient to release schedule. The next issue will first be leafed through, the same way I did my first three issues. The difference? I will first look through it, then decide to buy. And I estimate the chance of that happening extremely slim. Especially with so many sites out here on 'Teh Interwebz' with so many more exquisite images of many, many miniatures, also from many other companies.

As for White Dwarf Weekly, I have the first ten issues. Then I noticed I only really read the articles. I tend to skip through all the self-advertisement, which means I easily skip three quarters of the magazine. And what's more, they now have hobby content. Yay! Woohoo! They show the rules for the new models. The same rules that will appear in the Codex or Army Book that will be released a week later. Painting guides? 'Teh Interwebz'. Stuff about converting your miniatures? 'Teh Interwebz'. Battle reports? You mean those smallish little pieces of narrative with a few pictures sprinkled in to show the miniatures? As opposed to the old style battle reports with complete army lists, tactical talk about army selection choices beforehand, a turn-by-turn description with maps of what happened, and then the talk afterwards. So, battle reports? In my opinion a shadow of what they once were.

So yes. I, too, stopped buying White Dwarf Weekly and Warhammer Visions.

Ultimate Life Form
04-05-2014, 09:02
It is a strange move to
launch not one but two
high-end price magazines
containing nothing relevant
in times where print media
struggle like never before
and drop dead left and right.

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Wayshuba
04-05-2014, 12:51
Guess it shows not even GW read it?

Printing errors do happen of course and can happen to anyone....

A someone who worked in printing and publishing for over two decades, no mistakes like that are inexcusable. No printer in the world goes to press without signed proofs - even if they are just digital PDFs. Something like that, spread over multiple pages, is not hard to miss if the person responsible over at GW actually did their job. The only reason something like that happens.

What we have here, with the mags, like most things coming out of GW in the last six months, is a complete rush to get more products out to stem the decline in revenue and not enough people to actually do a proper job. Yet, like everything GW nowadays, you are paying a premium price for a half-a**** product.

Visions is a complete joke, and they know it, which is why it is shrink-wrapped (in some parts of the world it is know as deceptive sales practices).

WDW was simply done for two reasons - to increase the price of the magazine by almost 100% and to do the stasi-like control of information on product releases.'

Both magazines, IMHO, aren't worth the trees the are killing to print the junk.

RevEv
17-05-2014, 14:02
My son now uses Visions to taunt me every time we go in to our local GW. He knows I won't buy it.

Instead I'll flick through the open copy on the counter as I pick up WDW.