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Lord Dan
01-04-2014, 06:09
If you had your way, what point level would you be playing at most often? Please take a moment to answer the poll, above.

CountUlrich
01-04-2014, 06:30
2500 ... I feel it's a level where the game is well ballanced to, all armies have enough points to put down soke nice toys, it's just a fun level to play.

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Greyshadow
01-04-2014, 06:47
I really like 1250 pts but played with lists designed to give a tactical, sporting game. As the game size is relatively small you can mix your lists up for each game. There is also plenty of time to socialise and enjoy a beer. As 1250 pts wasn't an option, I chose 1500.

Lorm
01-04-2014, 09:51
2500 ... I feel it's a level where the game is well ballanced to, all armies have enough points to put down soke nice toys, it's just a fun level to play.

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Voted this one too, the game feels right enough, with a lot of stuff, but not too much and a good balance between armies that rely on quality and those that rely on quantity.
For some armies the game remain a bit restricted (can't include a bit of everything, you have to choose), but it's balanced enough and games don't last too long (the biggest problem of great battles)
Just make me feel sad that some heroes can't be played (Archaon on Dorgar costs 25 points too much and Karl Franz on dragon costs 15 points too much)

Kakapo42
01-04-2014, 10:18
4000 for me, purely because I spend far too lavishly on my lords to usually play at anything less due to force organisation restrictions.

Snake1311
01-04-2014, 11:21
2

Slave on slave action

Timathius
01-04-2014, 14:23
3000 is my preferred, but anything from 2000 to 4000 is gravy for me. Anything less and magic can be too over powered anything more and I would need to build a bigger table ;)

The Odor
01-04-2014, 14:45
3000. Enough points to bring 2 kitted lords for almost all armies+ whatever you want.

Snake1311
01-04-2014, 16:02
I feel 2999 and 3000 should have been separate options. The rules for grand armies kick in too early sizewise IMO.

Ravening Wh0re
01-04-2014, 17:24
I favour around 2900

Sexiest_hero
01-04-2014, 18:04
3k non grand, it's enough points were even the most competitive people will bring a "fun" unit to the battle.

Dark Aly
01-04-2014, 18:21
Small games of less than 1500 points for me (I voted 1000 therefore). As long as people aren't stupid then small games are the most fun for me.

Skywave
01-04-2014, 19:07
I like anything between 2000 and 2500 mostly (2100, 2250, 2400, etc), so I voted 2500.

theunwantedbeing
01-04-2014, 19:20
I feel 2999 and 3000 should have been separate options. The rules for grand armies kick in too early sizewise IMO.

Agreed, 2999 makes for a properly fun game as you've got all the points to spend but the choices aren't quite at the point of spammable abuse that 3k can often allow.

Zombie P
01-04-2014, 19:42
2000-2500 I find. Gets me lots but I need to think about exactly where I am putting my points. Also lets me get 2 Lvl4's and a killy lord in there :)

ZP

badguyshaveallthefun
01-04-2014, 22:35
I feel 2999 and 3000 should have been separate options. The rules for grand armies kick in too early sizewise IMO.

I agree wholeheartedly. I think 4000 points is where grand armies should kick in personally.

I find that my favorite points level is about 3500 non-grand. It allows even my warriors of chaos to take two lord choices (properly kitted) and plenty of points left over for lots of variety and it allows for units that might not normally be taken to take to the field.

Imperator64
01-04-2014, 23:30
1300. Because at that level nothing can beat skaven.

Naitsabes
02-04-2014, 03:27
the bigger the better. it just harder to organize big tables and have enough time but the game just seems to get better. in particular magic and uber-spells are much less of an issue

MOMUS
02-04-2014, 03:56
2400 is zee best :yes:

Metacarpi
02-04-2014, 08:44
It's a bit of a tie for me between 2,000 and 2,500 - I voted 2,000 as that's the value my gaming group currently prefers. That's largely down to the time factor rather than anything though. I spent the better part of a year trying to set up a 7,500 point game just so I could field all of my Skaven army, but it never happened.

I'm looking to try and pull a similar stunt soon - combined in our gaming group we have about 10k of Ogres, and about 10k of Empire/Brettonians/High Elves. I'd love to get a big old game going with the forces of order aligning to stop a huge rampaging Ogre tribe!

FatTrucker
02-04-2014, 16:53
Around 2k makes for a fun tactical game with carefully considered lists.
Most weekends though we play between 4k and 8k.
Short tactical skirmishes are fun but still enjoy massive pitched battles more, using everything you want from your chosen AB.

Does take time though. Had an 8k battle of Skaven Vs O&G at the weekend. 8 and a half hours of utter carnage.

Fear Ghoul
02-04-2014, 17:07
I feel that 2500 pts is the best compromise between balance (magic is weakened) and playing time, so that is what our group tends to play.

Oogie boogie boss
02-04-2014, 17:51
For me, 2,000. It's big enough to get a good variety of units and characters in, large enough to justify bringing a lord in most armies, but not so big that it's easy for power gamers to load up on lots of the hard stuff. It's also just the right size to finish the game in about 2 hours if both players know what they're doing/each other. Any bigger and you need to think about devoting more serious time on the game, which for a lot of us limits when it can be played.

Also, and this could just be me, I think if you play mostly 1,500pts-2,000pts games, you appreciate the 3,000pts+ games a little more.

Snake1311
03-04-2014, 10:09
For me, 2,000. It's big enough to get a good variety of units and characters in, large enough to justify bringing a lord in most armies, but not so big that it's easy for power gamers to load up on lots of the hard stuff. It's also just the right size to finish the game in about 2 hours if both players know what they're doing/each other. Any bigger and you need to think about devoting more serious time on the game, which for a lot of us limits when it can be played.

Also, and this could just be me, I think if you play mostly 1,500pts-2,000pts games, you appreciate the 3,000pts+ games a little more.

Power gamers probably prefer 2k over 2.5k to be honest, all the filth fits in but there is 20% less stuff to deal with it ;)

At 1.5k I find that some gentlemanly general restrictions tend to be in order.

Daniel36
03-04-2014, 10:46
I really like 1250 pts but played with lists designed to give a tactical, sporting game. As the game size is relatively small you can mix your lists up for each game. There is also plenty of time to socialise and enjoy a beer. As 1250 pts wasn't an option, I chose 1500.

Why 1250? Just because it is the exact middle between 1000 and 1500? Why not make it 1200 or 1300, which is so much easier to split into 25% for army building purposes. I never understand it when people choose 1250 as a points total.

Not-not-kenny
03-04-2014, 12:06
2,400 is the preferred size for fantasy games in my group. In 40K we only have enough for 1,000pt games and at that low a point level bad luck is much more punishing.

Francis
03-04-2014, 16:47
5000 for me, 2500 is a ok, but the 2000-2400 bracket is very boring, you can bring the filth but it doesn't feel like a proper battle. I guess this is why this level is considered to be the competative level. I also agree that 3000 is too early for grand army to kick in. I would have preferred it if it worked from 5000 and up, and allowed you to duplicate the generic magic items from the BrB. 1500 and down to 1000 can be fun too, even 500 has a certain charm.

Ramius4
07-04-2014, 14:19
3500 for 95% of the games my group has played since 8th came out. I'd have chosen that, but there's no option.

Voss
07-04-2014, 14:35
2k. The game doesn't and never has worked well above that.

BattleofLund
07-04-2014, 16:06
2

Slave on slave action

Funny enough it's worth repeating.

For me, I'd rather see different points values from one week to the next; my opponents tend to refine their armylist to the point where it's perfect... and really boring to come up against again, and again, and again.

SteveW
07-04-2014, 16:37
I feel 2999 and 3000 should have been separate options. The rules for grand armies kick in too early sizewise IMO.

I voted 3k as well but wanted to have a 2999 option too. At 3k having 4 trebs makes my opponent cringe.

Ramius4
07-04-2014, 16:54
2k. The game doesn't and never has worked well above that.

Eh? With 8th I find quite the opposite to be the case.


For me, I'd rather see different points values from one week to the next; my opponents tend to refine their armylist to the point where it's perfect... and really boring to come up against again, and again, and again.

Ick. For 20 years nobody in my group has intentionally brought the same list two games in a row. I say intentionally because there have been a handful of occasions where a last minute game is arranged and instead of taking 5-10 minutes to write one, they grabbed the last one they used. If I had to play the way you just described, I doubt I would ever have played for more than a few months, let alone 20 years.

Fear Ghoul
07-04-2014, 18:27
2k. The game doesn't and never has worked well above that.

Why? I would have thought the opposite would be true.

SteveW
07-04-2014, 19:01
2k. The game doesn't and never has worked well above that.
Have you played 8th ED? It doesn't even start to balance out until 2k. Then needs another 2k to bring all the armies into line power wise.

leopard
07-04-2014, 22:34
I say 3k, though perhaps as a 2,999 game to avoid grand army stuff. Game just feels better balanced at this level, magic especially seems to fit nicely, you can have the mage you feel you need and a combat lord or two maybe. The #6 spells are nicely balanced out without comp by the nature of the limited chances to cast then v the larger number of enemy units - oh dear you killed my elite combat unit, I'll just have to use the other one or ones..

Also you can bring enough toys you have to start thinking about deployment and movement, you can't realistically just spam the cheap stuff or you spend half the game tripping over your own feet - especially with some terrain on the board as well.

Looks good to boot, you have the fancy stuff and a decent army to sit alongside it.

Feels that this is the level GW were aiming for, smaller and magic starts to dominate and individual models can unhinge stuff, at 3k the % allow you to bring pretty much anything and one model is still just one model, and perhaps will have a much harder time breaking the enemy alone.

Evil Hypnotist
08-04-2014, 07:59
The local tournaments are all 2400pts so my group tend to stick to that (voted 2500pts) but the best games I have had are probably well below that (1000-1500pts), probably because the focus is more on the game rather than the list at those levels

Phazael
08-04-2014, 15:46
At 2500, nearly all armies can bring just about any option to the table and construct themed lists that do not tie their hands too badly in other areas. Armies with expensive Lord choices (i.e. Daemons, Warriors, Lizardmen) can have their one lord on the table and armies with lesser lord choices can put two of them down, if they want. Anything less, and you pretty much write off the existence of combat lords and amplify the power of war machine based armies. Anything more and deathstars start to become to dominating.

boli
08-04-2014, 20:39
2k-2.5k here. I've played a lot of games at 1k and 1.5k and whilst you can fit 3 games in an evening games that small are all over with in a single round of combat and a lucky/unlucky round its all over.

At 2k-2.5k I've seen games swing back and forth and you need to break out the calculator out to figure out who won.