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Khorneguy
10-04-2014, 10:37
So the new GW website has launched and there's no FAQ's on there. Not one!

This means armies like Space Wolves who don't have a sixth edition codex have lost their 6th Ed rules updates. It also means that some of the stupid interpretations of the rules which GW cleared for us (like CSM Zombies only being allowed to be ten-strong) are no longer valid.

I see this as a major blow for both competitive and casual gamers.

What do you guys think?

duffybear1988
10-04-2014, 10:46
Completely doing away with ALL good content on their site. Yep that sounds like GW.

Helldrake nerf is a bonus though.

HolyChicken
10-04-2014, 10:55
Looks like the elder bundles are back ? The Vyper Squadron, War Walker Squadron and Vaul's Wrath Support Battery. All with a nice discount!

Krucifus
10-04-2014, 10:59
I'm going to be cildishly optimistic and conclude that they must be updating all the FAQs prior to re-posting them. They might even make the Burning Chariot usable!!!!

Or more likely they actually care that little about the FAQs that they just forgot to include them.

Bugaboo
10-04-2014, 10:59
I think they'll get to them eventually and maybe even update them. If not, well... I guess people will be scrapping their Baledrakes, if they believe they need an internet FAQ in order to play them competitively. :rolleyes:

Poseidal
10-04-2014, 11:14
I think they'll get to them eventually and maybe even update them. If not, well... I guess people will be scrapping their Baledrakes, if they believe they need an internet FAQ in order to play them competitively. :rolleyes:

Sounds about right. Now there's no evidence that there are current FAQs with a link to the website, nor anything published, forgery FAQs are viable too if you can pull it off.

The Emperor
10-04-2014, 11:22
I'm going to be cildishly optimistic and conclude that they must be updating all the FAQs prior to re-posting them. They might even make the Burning Chariot usable!!!!

Or more likely they actually care that little about the FAQs that they just forgot to include them.

LOL! I'm voting for Option B, they don't care. :p

hobojebus
10-04-2014, 11:42
Not even a little surprised by this, usual halfarsed job.

Gingerwerewolf
10-04-2014, 12:11
Ahhhh Warseer, home of vitriol and hatred to GW. And Explosions of "Oh my God the Sky is Falling!"

The FAQs have been overlooked. So what?

They'll put them back up at some point.

In the mean time, go, have a beer, chill out and realise exactly how pointless it is to have this much hatred for a company.

Khorneguy
10-04-2014, 12:23
The FAQs have been overlooked. So what?

The problem I have is that the armies which havn't had a sixth edition book have lost the updates to their rules which were published via faq on the day 6th edition was released. As a Space Wolves player, it's a big deal for me.

There's also the fact that this means WAAC tournament players are going to be arguing the same *********** rules interpretations which were resolved through an FAQ years ago. To repeat my example from above, a lot of players argued that plague zombies in the CSM codex couldn't be fielded in squads of more than ten, because giving them extra members counts as an option, which they aren't allowed to take. GW fixed this in an FAQ right away, but now that rule clarification is gone.

There's also the fact that flyers in the 5th edition codices have technically become fast skimmers again, seeing as the FAQ's updating them to be flyers aren't published any more.

Losing FAQ support for an entire game is a really bad thing!

Sildani
10-04-2014, 12:32
It's not all bad. Shadow Weaver batteries are large blast again.

Sanai
10-04-2014, 12:32
I don't see the FAQs disappearing as invalidating the rules in said FAQs.

If it is a FAQ you don't know of, sure. But I would expect it to be on each players honour to respect the FAQs rulings that they can remember and not try to abuse this lapse to try and gain tabletop advantage.

edit: also, the old Games Workshop website should be saved in people's browser caches, not to mention that a large number of people have the FAQs printed out. Basic common sense and good sportsmanship should be enough to carry people through all of this.

MajorWesJanson
10-04-2014, 12:42
I don't see the FAQs disappearing as invalidating the rules in said FAQs.

If it is a FAQ you don't know of, sure. But I would expect it to be on each players honour to respect the FAQs rulings that they can remember and not try to abuse this lapse to try and gain tabletop advantage.

What about ignoring the absolutely idiotic Baledrake FAQ that gave it a 360 turret ability?

Sanai
10-04-2014, 12:44
What about ignoring the absolutely idiotic Baledrake FAQ that gave it a 360 turret ability?

If you are going to use a system of rules, you can't just pick and choose which rules you like or don't like, otherwise the whole system breaks down and everyone just does whatever the hell they want.

edit: the exception to this is house rules, but house rules are unofficial, or in the cases of tournies, decided by the organizers, not the individual players.

Poseidal
10-04-2014, 13:09
The FAQs aren't official any more, because there's no traceable source - there's no current web page or trackable publication with them on.

They're as valuable as they paper they're not printed on.

So it's official: Baledrake no longer has the 360 turret.

OuroborosTriumphant
10-04-2014, 13:16
So, would y'all say it's time to crack each other's heads open and feast on the goo inside?

Being serious, I'm probably going to play using the FAQs as they stood yesterday until they come back up on the site (if ever). I have the 40k FAQs saved on my computer.

Marshal
10-04-2014, 13:17
Damnit.... now I must use Shadowsun and Aun'Va in my Farsight Enclave...

Scammel
10-04-2014, 13:19
What about ignoring the absolutely idiotic Baledrake FAQ that gave it a 360 turret ability?

It was at least an FAQ that told us what kind of firing arc it had. Considering the scope for positioning of the model itself (and the sheer number of conversions out there) it's often pretty unclear.


Ahhhh Warseer, home of vitriol and hatred to GW. And Explosions of "Oh my God the Sky is Falling!"

The FAQs have been overlooked. So what?

They'll put them back up at some point.

In the mean time, go, have a beer, chill out and realise exactly how pointless it is to have this much hatred for a company.

What, like the old painting and gaming articles? They were only down for a short period to adjust to the new paints. This isn't just an odd move, it reopens a lot of old wounds and makes some units illegal (twin Blastmasters, anyone?).

duffybear1988
10-04-2014, 13:37
They will probably go back up at the same time as the specialist games PDFs...

Konovalev
10-04-2014, 13:44
They're still there, you just have to use google to find them. For example searching gamesworkshop faq brings up the Chaos Space Marine faq as the 3rd or so result for me.

Also, what happened to the Aquila splash page/Language selection page, this new one is boring.

MagicHat
10-04-2014, 13:49
I can find them with google, but if I try to open them, I get an error message.

Konovalev
10-04-2014, 13:52
I can find them with google, but if I try to open them, I get an error message.

Don't know what to tell you. I tried clearing my cache and even so: I'm on my work computer(:shifty:) and I know I've never opened the Tyranid FAQ from here before yet this link works for me http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m2940052a_Tyranids_v1.2_JANUARY13.pdf

I'm using Chrome if that makes a difference?

totgeboren
10-04-2014, 13:56
Don't know what to tell you. I tried clearing my cache and even so: I'm on my work computer(:shifty:) and I know I've never opened the Tyranid FAQ from here before yet this link works for me http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m2940052a_Tyranids_v1.2_JANUARY13.pdf

I'm using Chrome if that makes a difference?

You are opening your own local copy. If I click that link it says "All Records Expunged from Library", which is just the GW version of a 404 error page. It's gone. And not only is it gone, there is no place on the homepage where they belong. They have removed the entire 'Gaming' section and all articles. There is no articles or anything that you can download for free. I think every single thing on the GW homepage now costs money.

Poseidal
10-04-2014, 14:02
Don't know what to tell you. I tried clearing my cache and even so: I'm on my work computer(:shifty:) and I know I've never opened the Tyranid FAQ from here before yet this link works for me http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m2940052a_Tyranids_v1.2_JANUARY13.pdf

I'm using Chrome if that makes a difference?

Chrome keeps memory of things even after they are removed from the cache - you may need to flush the DNS cache to get the latest version.

Try a different browser and you'll probably get the 'up to date' (i.e. missing) version.

Benigno (WE)
10-04-2014, 14:04
I'm more concerned about they removed all the specialist games references, or maybe I can't find them...

carldooley
10-04-2014, 14:05
IG treadheads get Lumbering Behemoth back? Yay!!!!!

until the new Astra Militarum drops on Saturday. . . assuming we can't argue that as the new codex isn't called Codex: Imperial Guard, we can continue to use the old book. . .:p

OTOH, apparently the guys that I used to build my guard infantry are extinct now. (try to find kasrkins on GW's site)

Minsc
10-04-2014, 14:10
Nice.

Their new website looks cheap, is clunky to browse and on top of it all, the FAQ's have been removed? Great job GW, great job. :rolleyes:

sarduka
10-04-2014, 14:10
I'm more concerned about they removed all the specialist games references, or maybe I can't find them...

They have been removed perminently - they're gone for good. GW no longer sells those products

sarduka
10-04-2014, 14:12
Ahhhh Warseer, home of vitriol and hatred to GW. And Explosions of "Oh my God the Sky is Falling!"

The FAQs have been overlooked. So what?

They'll put them back up at some point.

In the mean time, go, have a beer, chill out and realise exactly how pointless it is to have this much hatred for a company.

Wih any other company I would agree with you, but GW has a history of doing this without communication to the fan base

Fizzy
10-04-2014, 14:15
Who doesnt dowload and save the FAQ's for their armies? I mean do you visit GWs page everytime you play? :)

Minsc
10-04-2014, 14:19
Who doesnt dowload and save the FAQ's for their armies? I mean do you visit GWs page everytime you play? :)

I read the FAQ, I learn the FAQ, and if there's anything that needs to be discussed, I show my opponent the FAQ (online).

Most people with smartphones also use(d) to check the FAQ online if they needed to, because it used to be there if you needed it.
There was no reason to download and save the FAQ, unless you wanted to save yourself afew seconds and/or was at a place without internet.

totgeboren
10-04-2014, 14:21
Who doesnt dowload and save the FAQ's for their armies? I mean do you visit GWs page everytime you play? :)

I have recently played with a few guys who have armies but haven't played since 4ed. Two out of three did not bring their own FAQs to my place the last time we played, I had to download them (which was no problem).

Also, say someone starts up a SW army today. They will be fairly confused about many things in the SW codex, and they will have no access to the FAQ to clear them out.

On another forum, a person was asking about advice on making a Slaanesh-themed CSM army, specifically Noise marines. Now that the FAQ is gone, they have no way of knowing that you can/could in fact take two Blastmasters in a 10-man Noise Marine squad.

The way the homepage is structured, it doesn't look like GW will continue doing them either. Saying people should just house-rule stuff they don't like is not an acceptable solution. I can't just say "I want more Blastmasters in my Noise Marine squads, so I'll allow every fifth model to take one instead of every tenth. Oh, and I think my Heldrake should have a 360 degree field of fire, just because. Are you guys ok with that?"
Noone would ever make such a statement to their gaming buddies, because you can't play games if people behave that way. No FAQs will make w40k almost unplayable (because many people will insist on their use (since some armies become illegal without them), whilst those who do not have access to them will insist on not using them since they have no way of knowing if the other player is cheating or not without them).

No FAQ is a huuuuge deal.

sarduka
10-04-2014, 14:22
Who doesnt dowload and save the FAQ's for their armies? I mean do you visit GWs page everytime you play? :)
Say im new to warhammer 40k, and you advise me of ruling covered in a FAQ, as far as I'm concerned there is no way I can look up an authoritative source (GW) and check it myself - thus FAQ could be pure fiction.

Leftenant Gashrog
10-04-2014, 14:26
Don't know what to tell you. I tried clearing my cache and even so: I'm on my work computer(:shifty:) and I know I've never opened the Tyranid FAQ from here before yet this link works for me http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m2940052a_Tyranids_v1.2_JANUARY13.pdf

I'm using Chrome if that makes a difference?

The file is gone but the Wayback Machine has it:
http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m2940052a_Tyranids_v1.2_JANUARY13.pdf

Anyone have the url for the FAQ page?

tiger g
10-04-2014, 14:27
I read the FAQ, I learn the FAQ, and if there's anything that needs to be discussed, I show my opponent the FAQ (online).

/or was at a place without internet.

Which is why I opened the faq's in ibooks to have it at any time.

Ghazbad_Facestompa
10-04-2014, 14:30
When was the last time GW put out a full FAQ, anyway? I doubt they even care about their removal.

Theocracity
10-04-2014, 14:40
This is probably a good opportunity for everyone to write a polite email to GW asking what their plans are for FAQs.

3eland
10-04-2014, 14:47
Well, there is essentially a spot where they could perhaps show up (if they show up):
Book & Digital
-Warhammer Books & Digital (or the 40k version for 40k)
-insert section like FAQs or something

Mauler
10-04-2014, 14:53
Haha. Really.

All FAQs are still official documents until surpassed by a newer version. Settle down.

I have a bunch of them saved (rather shocked that people don't bother saving things like this, it seems like common sense to me) and I'll see if I can share them from my Dropbox later today. They're mainly for forces that me and my friends collect so there may be some missing like Dark Eldar, etc.

I think the new website is far better than the old one, finding items (and ranges of) is astoundingly fluid now on a PC but then not everyone uses PCs anymore and it's all a bit subjective. If missing FAQs is the only teething problem that GW have then as an IT professional I think they've done a decent job.

Azulthar
10-04-2014, 14:59
I mailed their customer service. Probably redundant, but the more GW is aware that we actually care about rules, the better :p

Marshal
10-04-2014, 15:00
Haha. Really.

All FAQs are still official documents until surpassed by a newer version. Settle down.

I have a bunch of them saved (rather shocked that people don't bother saving things like this, it seems like common sense to me) and I'll see if I can share them from my Dropbox later today. They're mainly for forces that me and my friends collect so there may be some missing like Dark Eldar, etc.

I think the new website is far better than the old one, finding items (and ranges of) is astoundingly fluid now on a PC but then not everyone uses PCs anymore and it's all a bit subjective. If missing FAQs is the only teething problem that GW have then as an IT professional I think they've done a decent job.

Prove to me that you didn't doctor them after their download... the problem is, you can't, and without any verification on that, they lose meaning.

The Emperor
10-04-2014, 15:03
Just Google the army name and "FAQ" and you can find them easy.

Here, for instance, is the contents of the Codex: Imperial Guard FAQ after I just googled it.

http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m3180056a_Imperial_Guard_v1.3_APRIL13.pdf

Note the URL. They're still there. Just not linked to on the homepage.

Theocracity
10-04-2014, 15:04
Prove to me that you didn't doctor them after their download... the problem is, you can't, and without any verification on that, they lose meaning.

What a lame cop-out. It's kind of amazing the lengths people will go to to pretend that they have goldfish memories.

Tato
10-04-2014, 15:04
Haha. Really.

All FAQs are still official documents until surpassed by a newer version. Settle down.

I have a bunch of them saved (rather shocked that people don't bother saving things like this, it seems like common sense to me) and I'll see if I can share them from my Dropbox later today. They're mainly for forces that me and my friends collect so there may be some missing like Dark Eldar, etc.

I think the new website is far better than the old one, finding items (and ranges of) is astoundingly fluid now on a PC but then not everyone uses PCs anymore and it's all a bit subjective. If missing FAQs is the only teething problem that GW have then as an IT professional I think they've done a decent job.

OMG. Somebody on Warseer who is actually happy and does not get a fit of hysteria the moment GW does something. Must print screen.

totgeboren
10-04-2014, 15:06
Just Google the army name and "FAQ" and you can find them easy.

Here, for instance, is the contents of the Codex: Imperial Guard FAQ after I just googled it.

http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m3180056a_Imperial_Guard_v1.3_APRIL13.pdf

Note the URL. They're still there. Just not linked to on the homepage.

No they are not, that is a local copy you have stored in your cache. When I click your link from my work computer I get the text "All Records Expunged from Library", which is just a fancy 404 error page.

OuroborosTriumphant
10-04-2014, 15:08
Prove to me that you didn't doctor them after their download... the problem is, you can't, and without any verification on that, they lose meaning.

Well, Mauler has them saved. I have them saved. I really doubt we're the only people who have them saved. To some extent, you can verify them with a degree of peer review; if Mauler posts tampered pdfs, I could check them against mine and tell people they are tampered with (not that I imagine Mauler would do that, but, theoretically). Even if you think Mauler and I are somehow in cahoots, we're not going to be the only ones with the files. It seems very unlikely that everyone with downloaded FAQs would form a giant conspiracy just to cheat at toy soldiers.

The Emperor
10-04-2014, 15:09
No they are not, that is a local copy you have stored in your cache. When I click your link from my work computer I get the text "All Records Expunged from Library", which is just a fancy 404 error page.

D'OH! I FAIL AT THE INTERNETS!!! :cries:

3eland
10-04-2014, 15:11
Well, Mauler has them saved. I have them saved. I really doubt we're the only people who have them saved. To some extent, you can verify them with a degree of peer review; if Mauler posts tampered pdfs, I could check them against mine and tell people they are tampered with (not that I imagine Mauler would do that, but, theoretically). Even if you think Mauler and I are somehow in cahoots, we're not going to be the only ones with the files. It seems very unlikely that everyone with downloaded FAQs would form a giant conspiracy just to cheat at toy soldiers.

Hmmm.. interesting scenario...

Wanna get together and create a huge conspiracy? lol

Mauler
10-04-2014, 15:18
No they are not, that is a local copy you have stored in your cache. When I click your link from my work computer I get the text "All Records Expunged from Library", which is just a fancy 404 error page.

If you Google the FAQ you're after like Emp suggested, you can click the little down-arrow at the end of the green link and view Google's cached copy. Those are not local files.

EDIT - Just make sure you get the correct link as Google caches everything there's some older FAQs stored too. Most of the 6E files have an indicator in the file name.

Timathius
10-04-2014, 15:20
This is probably a good opportunity for everyone to write a polite email to GW asking what their plans are for FAQs.

I done this. It is especially bad for fantasy, more specifically Skaven

tiger g
10-04-2014, 15:23
If you Google the FAQ you're after like Emp suggested, you can click the little down-arrow at the end of the green link and view Google's cached copy. Those are not local files.

EDIT - Just make sure you get the correct link as Google caches everything there's some older FAQs stored too. Most of the 6E files have an indicator in the file name.

But how do we know you didn't hack the old gw website and post this PDF? :>))) Cannot believe how immature some of the people on the fourm are about a game of toy soldiers.

Ssilmath
10-04-2014, 15:25
But how do we know you didn't hack the old gw website and post this PDF? :>))) Cannot believe how immature some of the people on the fourm are about a game of toy soldiers.

Pretty typical Games Workshop Derangement Syndrome at work here.

Marshal
10-04-2014, 15:27
Well, Mauler has them saved. I have them saved. I really doubt we're the only people who have them saved. To some extent, you can verify them with a degree of peer review; if Mauler posts tampered pdfs, I could check them against mine and tell people they are tampered with (not that I imagine Mauler would do that, but, theoretically). Even if you think Mauler and I are somehow in cahoots, we're not going to be the only ones with the files. It seems very unlikely that everyone with downloaded FAQs would form a giant conspiracy just to cheat at toy soldiers.

The problem is though in a random game setting though in a local shop, you're not going to be able to cross reference them with someones word over the internet saying that they are the most current FAQ's.


What a lame cop-out. It's kind of amazing the lengths people will go to to pretend that they have goldfish memories.

Not really. I don't know all the FAQ's off hand. I only know the ones for the armies that I use. I know the Helbrute got reduced in points but I don't know how much (I don't play Chaos Marines). I've skimmed through a couple FAQ's, but I wouldn't know the information without reading it again, and I'm pretty sure you wouldn't either for all of them. Either way, without a reference to prove where they came from, it's all pretty much up in the air at this point. Not saying I'm going back to my Razorwing being a fast skimmer any time soon, but if there's no update for it, how long will people take my word on it?

Theocracity
10-04-2014, 15:34
Not really. I don't know all the FAQ's off hand. I only know the ones for the armies that I use. I know the Helbrute got reduced in points but I don't know how much (I don't play Chaos Marines). I've skimmed through a couple FAQ's, but I wouldn't know the information without reading it again, and I'm pretty sure you wouldn't either for all of them. Either way, without a reference to prove where they came from, it's all pretty much up in the air at this point. Not saying I'm going back to my Razorwing being a fast skimmer any time soon, but if there's no update for it, how long will people take my word on it?

If you don't know what the FAQ says, then you trust the other person's word and don't be bothered about whether it wins or loses you a game. If you know what the FAQ is, and have played it like that in the past, and someone wants to pretend that the world doesn't exist if they can't see it, then don't play them because they're jerking you around.

Seems simpler than freaking out whether or not someone's gone to way too much effort tampering with something to win at toy soldiers.

Mauler
10-04-2014, 15:39
The problem is though in a random game setting though in a local shop, you're not going to be able to cross reference them with someones word over the internet saying that they are the most current FAQ's.



Not really. I don't know all the FAQ's off hand. I only know the ones for the armies that I use. I know the Helbrute got reduced in points but I don't know how much (I don't play Chaos Marines). I've skimmed through a couple FAQ's, but I wouldn't know the information without reading it again, and I'm pretty sure you wouldn't either for all of them. Either way, without a reference to prove where they came from, it's all pretty much up in the air at this point. Not saying I'm going back to my Razorwing being a fast skimmer any time soon, but if there's no update for it, how long will people take my word on it?

Please see my above post about fishing the FAQs from Google's internet cache. I'm fairly certain that most people with an understanding of how a cache works will allow this and I'm equally certain that no-one at Google has tried to mess with your gaming too ;)

hobojebus
10-04-2014, 16:03
You have them saved, i have them saved but some people dont even know they have a FAQ for their codex and certainly dont have it saved anywhere.

And i only have the ones for my armies, so if someone comes along with anything but SW,CSM or necrons and dont know their own rules then its game over.

And i have a 1k tau force if i wanted to play that i have no clue what the FAQ said and now cant get it.

yabbadabba
10-04-2014, 16:08
If you don't know what the FAQ says, then you trust the other person's word and don't be bothered about whether it wins or loses you a game. WOAH. You do realise this is Warseer? If they find you, they will stone you to death with crooked dice! Your comments are just irresponsible man, think of the children.

tiger g
10-04-2014, 16:12
You have them saved, i have them saved but some people dont even know they have a FAQ for their codex and certainly dont have it saved anywhere.

And i only have the ones for my armies, so if someone comes along with anything but SW,CSM or necrons and dont know their own rules then its game over.

And i have a 1k tau force if i wanted to play that i have no clue what the FAQ said and now cant get it.

did you not read the thread and how to google it and use the cache function?

duffybear1988
10-04-2014, 16:15
Pretty typical Games Workshop Derangement Syndrome at work here.

Well a competent company wouldn't have had this issue in the first place...

It's all swings and roundabouts anyway. The company is failing and this is just another crack to be papered over. We'll keep crying wolf and at the end of the day we'll be the ones who finally get to say "told ya so :P". It's The Long War after all...

I know we can just continue without them, but come on this is a bit of a coq up.

Treadhead_1st
10-04-2014, 16:21
Not saying I'm going back to my Razorwing being a fast skimmer any time soon, but if there's no update for it, how long will people take my word on it?

For things like vehicle type etc., the summary at the back of the Rulebook covers all those details, so fortunately Razorwings are still Flyers and so on.

Ssilmath
10-04-2014, 16:26
Well a competent company wouldn't have had this issue in the first place...

It's all swings and roundabouts anyway. The company is failing and this is just another crack to be papered over. We'll keep crying wolf and at the end of the day we'll be the ones who finally get to say "told ya so :P". It's The Long War after all...

I know we can just continue without them, but come on this is a bit of a coq up.

Do we have any actual information for why the FAQ's are missing in action? There's multiple reasons for not having them right now other than incompetence/apathy, but all these people leap immediately to that conclusion. GWDS in action.

Theocracity
10-04-2014, 16:33
Do we have any actual information for why the FAQ's are missing in action? There's multiple reasons for not having them right now other than incompetence/apathy, but all these people leap immediately to that conclusion. GWDS in action.

Well, to be fair, I've defended GW in the past but I think this is a failure on their part. It's a failure I can totally see happening as part of a large, poorly handled website redesign for a company that hasn't invested in its ecommerce structure properly, so I don't think its a sign of the apocalypse or anything. But it is a failure.

To clarify, my view of this is that the design and project managers probably spent a long time figuring out how to design their model sales and neglected to figure out how to transfer their support content. Or didn't figure it out in time and pushed out the release to a later date but still had to launch the main content on the due date.

3eland
10-04-2014, 16:50
Or, since the website has only been up for what... 12 hours at most?... perhaps people are jumping the gun here and come tomorrow (or later today) they will be added. Perhaps, GW heard the calling of their customers and are redoing the FAQ's, making them all up to date.

I am just going to wait and see what happens, mind you I have the FAQs downloaded for my armies and my gaming group isn't full of bad people. But to think the world is coming to an end without any knowledge as to what is being done is silly.

Scammel
10-04-2014, 16:51
Do we have any actual information for why the FAQ's are missing in action? There's multiple reasons for not having them right now other than incompetence/apathy, but all these people leap immediately to that conclusion. GWDS in action.

I don't think anyone is leaping to any conclusions. I think people are reaching them perfectly logically considering the lack of new FAQs for a year, GW's apparent (yet somewhat understandable) distaste for producing them in the first instance and the previous track record in regard to content disappearing from the site and never coming back. I'd offer to 'Eat my words' if they're back up soon if I didn't think we had every reason to expect this to be the case.

Sephillion
10-04-2014, 16:52
There are many reasons why the FAQs might have disappeared.



Sheer incompetence. They forgot about it or didn’t plan it in time and still pushed the new Website.
Redesign of the FAQs. Maybe in a few days they’ll pop up again in a new form. Or maybe whole new FAQs integrating new info.
Technical error. Something prevented the FAQs from being displayed on the new Website for whatever reason. Maybe a screwup from the firm that designed the Website, unforeseen issue/bug, etc.
Rumoured 7th Edition, which would presumably make the FAQs partly obsolete in a few weeks anyway.
Something else I’m not seeing right now, I’m sure there are other possibilities.

In any case, except for 1, GW should still come forward and say “don’t worry, FAQs will be up soon” or something to that effect. But a screwup is not the only possibility.

Minsc
10-04-2014, 17:00
In any case, except for 1, GW should still come forward and say “don’t worry, FAQs will be up soon” or something to that effect. But a screwup is not the only possibility.

Now if GW only ever came out and talked to the community.

Sadly they never do, which is one of the reasons they get so much hate.

duffybear1988
10-04-2014, 17:00
After 12 hours of downtime the website should be fully finished and working 100%. It takes far less that 12 hours to switch over anyway so in theory if they were going to be there they should already be there. I can't even see an errata heading listed and I would have expected that at the least.

Cheeslord
10-04-2014, 17:11
Perhaps the FAQs will be available as a dataslate for your army (price 14.99 - e-pdf versions available)?

More seriously, they will almost certainly be back up in a few days. However, GW hate threads are always fun to read in the meantime...

Mark.

3eland
10-04-2014, 17:12
Just got off the phone with customer service. I told him I had a tournament coming up and I couldn't find the FAQ for my army. He informed me that they were not on the website (which we all know), and that they will be adding them again in the future. However, he did not have a specific date as to when but assured me they would be coming back. He said when it came to interpretation of the rules, to talk to the tournament organizer (or anyone organizing events) for any official ruling (and to be honest, I would expect the tournament organizers to have all the FAQs on hand -my thought, not his-) and to use your best judgement/common sense in normal game play.

Then he apologized again, assured me again they would be coming back, apologized again and then we said our good byes.

Scammel
10-04-2014, 17:14
Just got off the phone with customer service. I told him I had a tournament coming up and I couldn't find the FAQ for my army. He informed me that they were not on the website (which we all know), and that they will be adding them again in the future. However, he did not have a specific date as to when but assured me they would be coming back. He said when it came to interpretation of the rules, to talk to the tournament organizer (or anyone organizing events) for any official ruling (and to be honest, I would expect the tournament organizers to have all the FAQs on hand -my thought, not his-) and to use your best judgement/common sense in normal game play.

Then he apologized again, assured me again they would be coming back, apologized again and then we said our good byes.

It seems there's hope yet - good! :)

Mauler
10-04-2014, 17:30
After 12 hours of downtime the website should be fully finished and working 100%. It takes far less that 12 hours to switch over anyway so in theory if they were going to be there they should already be there. I can't even see an errata heading listed and I would have expected that at the least.


This is clearly a statement made by someone who has never worked in or with IT at a corporate level. No significant change, ever, is done quickly. It indeed takes less than 12 hours to transition from one site to another but it can take far longer than that to finish testing. It's an entirely new website with an entirely different back end - easily spotted by the lack of continuity in user/customer accounts from site database to another. These things take time to test in a live environment, there will be a list of teething issues to be addressed and fixes to things that we may not see at all from a customer's perspective. The main function of GW's site is to sell merch first and foremost and once all the bugs have been ironed out to the corporate stakeholder's satisfaction then new functionality will be added (back) in like FAQs and other hobby articles. Yes, a FAQ place-holder would've been nice but all things in good time. We know that GW don't like to throw money about so their e-commerce team is probably less than five guys and keeping tasks manageable by keeping their workload low and the quality of work high.

Settle down; it'll turn up when they're able to.

Theocracity
10-04-2014, 17:37
This is clearly a statement made by someone who has never worked in or with IT at a corporate level. No significant change, ever, is done quickly. It indeed takes less than 12 hours to transition from one site to another but it can take far longer than that to finish testing. It's an entirely new website with an entirely different back end - easily spotted by the lack of continuity in user/customer accounts from site database to another. These things take time to test in a live environment, there will be a list of teething issues to be addressed and fixes to things that we may not see at all from a customer's perspective. The main function of GW's site is to sell merch first and foremost and once all the bugs have been ironed out to the corporate stakeholder's satisfaction then new functionality will be added (back) in like FAQs and other hobby articles. Yes, a FAQ place-holder would've been nice but all things in good time. We know that GW don't like to throw money about so their e-commerce team is probably less than five guys and keeping tasks manageable by keeping their workload low and the quality of work high.

Settle down; it'll turn up when they're able to.

Seconded. I would have hoped that GW's tech team would have planned this better, but the extensive downtime during business hours makes me think that they probably don't have that robust of a team and are struggling to keep up - as would be expected if they don't have the resources they need.

Azazel
10-04-2014, 17:45
The new website is very boring and looks cheap. I could elaborate but I don't want an infraction.

No news or articles to read anymore either.

I clicked 'Why shop with us?', it didn't explain why I should shop with them instead of a 25% discount online retailer.

No FAQs. Does this mean we use the old ones if we remember them, or are they gone all together now? One more thing to agree on before a game.

AngryAngel
10-04-2014, 17:55
Could it be that they didn't place the FAQs as they will soon be pointless with the rumored dropping of a new edition ? It could also give you a thought that they're switching to a no FAQ policy if they're ramping up to a faster core set release cycle as was also rumored for. It could be a mistake, it could be just a few before they come back up. However if it was done on purpose, look for the reasons and with the guard release now underway why not look for reasons for it ? What better reason for a website overhaul then a new edition for 40k, no better reason to then clean the FAQs in preparing for it.

Slayer-Fan123
10-04-2014, 17:57
Hold on where's this "Why Shop with us" thing you guys keep talking about haha.

Raven1
10-04-2014, 18:23
For what it is worth I took the time to contact customer service and I got this reply


Hello XXXX,

Thanks for writing in to us! We are aware that the new web store launched without the Errata/ FAQ articles. This is only temporary and these FAQ's will be made available again in the very near future. However, at this time I don’t have a time or date available. Should you have any other questions, then please give us a call at 1-800-394-4263.

Sorry for the confusion, but I hope this helps.

David Monroe

Games Workshop

North America Customer Services



Please do not delete previous email threads as this will help us serve you better!



Games Workshop
Customer Service
6211 East Holmes Road
Memphis, TN 38141

Games Workshop Customer Service is open:
Monday through Friday 9:30 AM to 6:00 PM CST

Contact info:
1-800-394-4263
custserv@gwplc.com

Or visit us online at:
www.games-workshop.com

If i were to venture a guess I would say that this was planned and this site will be purely sales with something else to be used for gaming/errata, or perhaps that were too many issues with the gaming section or something arose to which they were unprepared or caught off guard and the decision was made to launch the site with out it.

carldooley
10-04-2014, 18:32
For things like vehicle type etc., the summary at the back of the Rulebook covers all those details, so fortunately Razorwings are still Flyers and so on.

unfortunately, all someone has to say is 'codex trumps rulebook' then it is all downhill from there.

Theocracity
10-04-2014, 18:35
unfortunately, all someone has to say is 'codex trumps rulebook' then it is all downhill from there.

It would be difficult to suppress the urge to smack someone upside the head if they pulled that. If they're smart enough to know that guideline, they're smart enough to know that the Razorwing's a flyer.

Scribe of Khorne
10-04-2014, 18:49
What an interesting thread, as if the removal of an answer previously provided negates the answer? I've got my Chaos FAQ downloaded, its still current to me...

Azazel
10-04-2014, 18:59
Since Warhammer World got its own website, and the new website is being called the 'webstore' perhaps a hobby website that includes FAQs and articles will be added soon.

hobojebus
10-04-2014, 19:03
I used to work in customer service so I know when they say it'll be back soon that's BS they are feeding to make you go away, I worked in argos for years and we never got relevant info so I'd pull stuff out of my ads just to get left alone, customer service people hate you and will say anything to make you go away.

You learn quick the customer is always an *******.

AngryAngel
10-04-2014, 19:07
Isn't that something of a self fulfilling prophecy ? If your paid to deal with the customers, yet also hate them and feed them crap, that would in turn make them hate you and treat you poorly as well as not believe a thing you say. Not saying your wrong, but hate is a strong word to use for something like customer service. That said, I would agree I don't think the reps have any idea when it will be back, as they won't tell you why they took them off, especially if it is because of new releases they don't wish you to know of yet.

mostlyharmless
10-04-2014, 19:17
So, I just did the unthinkable. I called them and asked where the FAQ's were. Allegedly, they are working on getting them back up. This may be obfuscation on their part, but I choose to think better of the US customer service folk because I know some of them personally. Fear not. There is hope.

hobojebus
10-04-2014, 19:29
Isn't that something of a self fulfilling prophecy ? If your paid to deal with the customers, yet also hate them and feed them crap, that would in turn make them hate you and treat you poorly as well as not believe a thing you say. Not saying your wrong, but hate is a strong word to use for something like customer service. That said, I would agree I don't think the reps have any idea when it will be back, as they won't tell you why they took them off, especially if it is because of new releases they don't wish you to know of yet.

You've clearly never worked customer service on boxing day.

You've never had a lying scum bag come in with a phone he dropped and try to convince you the screen exploded.

You've never had to do a return on a chip pan that is a year old and has never been cleaned out and have the customer tell you they have no idea why it stopped working.

You've never had argos direct mess up an order and had to talk to them on the phone while the customer is pulling their face at you even though its technically another company and should not be your problem.

Customers are the scum of the earth when you work a help desk no matter what company you work for, you learn how to put on a fake smile and talk in a condescending manner that wont get you fired but will let the idiot in front of you know your not buying their BS.

The people at GW support dont know because they haven't been told anything and by now i'm sure they are sick to death of your calls and e-mails about this, its not their fault its just the way it is for the poor abused customer service rep, but never doubt they despise you with every fibre of their beings.

Mauler
10-04-2014, 19:41
Wow. Hobo I can tell that you love(d) your work. LOL

hobojebus
10-04-2014, 19:43
There was a reason i got moved into the stock room and only called out when thieves and potentially violent customers were making a fuss.

Also when there was a tech question because apparently the other staff cant pick up a catalogue and read what a thing does, but mainly when they needed my wookie like presence.

AngryAngel
10-04-2014, 19:48
While I don't argue some would feel that way. I would think most would have just a mild uncaring or lack of concern for the person on the phone or emailing them. I still think hate is a strong word for everyone. Though glad to see you enjoy the customer service thing.

hobojebus
10-04-2014, 19:51
While I don't argue some would feel that way. I would think most would have just a mild uncaring or lack of concern for the person on the phone or emailing them. I still think hate is a strong word for everyone. Though glad to see you enjoy the customer service thing.

Go get a job anywhere in that role for a week then come back to me.

Son of Morkai
10-04-2014, 19:51
There was a reason i got moved into the stock room and only called out when thieves and potentially violent customers were making a fuss.

Also when there was a tech question because apparently the other staff cant pick up a catalogue and read what a thing does, but mainly when they needed my wookie like presence.

The only people more worthless than customers are coworkers. I honestly stopped bothering to learn their names once I found out my place of employment had a 140% turnover rate in one department.

Konovalev
10-04-2014, 20:02
The only people more worthless than customers are coworkers. I honestly stopped bothering to learn their names once I found out my place of employment had a 140% turnover rate in one department.

Sad but true. When I found myself being called a "Company Vet" after working were I work for 2 years I knew something was very wrong.

Maybe I've missed someone else suggest it, but perhaps FAQs will now be Digital only, and one of the advantages to digital codicis would be that the faq would be integrated whereas paper codex users would have to download/buy them. I don't believe this personally, but the fire wants tinder.

Losing Command
10-04-2014, 20:25
There would be a lot less gloom and doom about the FAQ's missing if GW just had a message on the new site that had some information about what their plans with FAQ's are. Even if it just said that GW is dropping any kind of FAQ to clear/fix rules. When things are missing and no explanation whatsoever is givin about why and what's about to happen, that's when all the doomsday talk really begins ;)

duffybear1988
10-04-2014, 20:38
This is clearly a statement made by someone who has never worked in or with IT at a corporate level. No significant change, ever, is done quickly. It indeed takes less than 12 hours to transition from one site to another but it can take far longer than that to finish testing. It's an entirely new website with an entirely different back end - easily spotted by the lack of continuity in user/customer accounts from site database to another. These things take time to test in a live environment, there will be a list of teething issues to be addressed and fixes to things that we may not see at all from a customer's perspective. The main function of GW's site is to sell merch first and foremost and once all the bugs have been ironed out to the corporate stakeholder's satisfaction then new functionality will be added (back) in like FAQs and other hobby articles. Yes, a FAQ place-holder would've been nice but all things in good time. We know that GW don't like to throw money about so their e-commerce team is probably less than five guys and keeping tasks manageable by keeping their workload low and the quality of work high.

Settle down; it'll turn up when they're able to.

That's funny because I work in corporate IT. People have known this project has been in the pipeline for 9 months so it should have been fully tested in a test environment long before those 12 hours came up for the change over. Admittedly some live testing is to be expected and there will no doubt be teething problems, but if we neglected a key part of our service (and no matter how you put it, faqs to their shoddy rules are important) there would be complaints flocking in from across the consortium. We would have at least put a message up on the site detailing that faqs were coming soon. GW are just shoddy.

duffybear1988
10-04-2014, 20:46
Looks like the Warseer mods deleted my post with the FAQ link, sorry chaps. The official warning wasn't exactly expected given that the FAQs are free but there you go.

I tried. Now we wait...

That sucks. They were free faqs from a site. That doesn't break policy surely?

Theocracity
10-04-2014, 20:50
That's funny because I work in corporate IT. People have known this project has been in the pipeline for 9 months so it should have been fully tested in a test environment long before those 12 hours came up for the change over. Admittedly some live testing is to be expected and there will no doubt be teething problems, but if we neglected a key part of our service (and no matter how you put it, faqs to their shoddy rules are important) there would be complaints flocking in from across the consortium. We would have at least put a message up on the site detailing that faqs were coming soon. GW are just shoddy.

As someone who's dealt with website launches, sometimes stuff happens. I'm willing to bet that the extensive downtime might have been at least partially due to launch-related issues, and that given the choice between launching 1: the commerce section with a busted support section, 2: just the commerce section, or 3: nothing at all, any sensible project manager will go for option 2.

Also, given the choice between 1: pretending like nothing's wrong while you frantically fix something and 2: writing copy to admit to (and call attention to) fault, only to have to take it down once it's fixed, you go with option 1 (unless the problem affects core functionality, like product browsing and checkout).

sturguard
10-04-2014, 20:56
The new website is very boring and looks cheap. I could elaborate but I don't want an infraction.

No news or articles to read anymore either.

I clicked 'Why shop with us?', it didn't explain why I should shop with them instead of a 25% discount online retailer.

No FAQs. Does this mean we use the old ones if we remember them, or are they gone all together now? One more thing to agree on before a game.

Although you can click "Why shop with us" If you look to the right of the link, they list why-
Same Day Dispatch
Free Delivery on Orders over $65
Free Pick-Ups from GW stores
1000+ Exclusive Online products
Free, Easy Returns (Did GW ever advertise this before)

You can click on each reason and they provide an explanation.

Sephillion
10-04-2014, 21:00
Maybe they gave the Web site contract to the same company who handled the Obamacare Website? :P
I’m going to believe them they say they’re coming. I find it’s more plausible they couldn’t put everything at once due to issues or for some other technical/time-related issue rather than a huge brain fart or utter incompetence. I’m not yet that cynical.

duffybear1988
10-04-2014, 21:14
Maybe they gave the Web site contract to the same company who handled the Obamacare Website? :P
I’m going to believe them they say they’re coming. I find it’s more plausible they couldn’t put everything at once due to issues or for some other technical/time-related issue rather than a huge brain fart or utter incompetence. I’m not yet that cynical.

Obamacare is nothing, you want to check out the British government universal jobmatch site for real incompetence.

Lord Damocles
10-04-2014, 21:20
So, would y'all say it's time to crack each other's heads open and feast on the goo inside?
Yup. Let the goo feasting commence.

The only option left is to break open each others' heads and feast on the goo inside!

Kung Fu Hamster
10-04-2014, 21:27
Looks like the Warseer mods deleted my post with the FAQ link, sorry chaps. The official warning wasn't exactly expected given that the FAQs are free but there you go.

I tried. Now we wait...

That is beyond asinine.


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Surgency
10-04-2014, 21:28
You have them saved, i have them saved but some people dont even know they have a FAQ for their codex and certainly dont have it saved anywhere.

Well now those people who never knew there was a FAQ or never considered that they needed a FAQ will never be able to game again because the FAQ is harder to get! The sheer unimaginable horror of it all!

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Mauler
10-04-2014, 22:26
That's funny because I work in corporate IT. People have known this project has been in the pipeline for 9 months so it should have been fully tested in a test environment long before those 12 hours came up for the change over. Admittedly some live testing is to be expected and there will no doubt be teething problems, but if we neglected a key part of our service (and no matter how you put it, faqs to their shoddy rules are important) there would be complaints flocking in from across the consortium. We would have at least put a message up on the site detailing that faqs were coming soon. GW are just shoddy.

Tsk man, you know how these things work! Only through going live does testing complete lol ;) A message would've been good but we know that GW aren't too hot on those really...


That sucks. They were free faqs from a site. That doesn't break policy surely?

Apparently it does :(

They're still in my Dropbox, I just can't share them here. I hope people got what they needed while they could!

DoctorTom
10-04-2014, 22:30
That's funny because I work in corporate IT. People have known this project has been in the pipeline for 9 months so it should have been fully tested in a test environment long before those 12 hours came up for the change over. Admittedly some live testing is to be expected and there will no doubt be teething problems, but if we neglected a key part of our service (and no matter how you put it, faqs to their shoddy rules are important) there would be complaints flocking in from across the consortium. We would have at least put a message up on the site detailing that faqs were coming soon. GW are just shoddy.

They hired people who the US government rejected as being not good enough to code the Obamacare website. And we know how the testing on that went before the changeover.



All FAQs are still official documents until surpassed by a newer version. Settle down.

And where on the GW site does it tell us the FAQs are official documents? I see no mention in the main rulebook under "What you will need" that there are official FAQs. I don't see a mention in the "Choosing Your Army" section either that there may be FAQs to refer to, just the Codex. They don't specifically mention FAQs in the "Basic versus Advanced" section either. All you're left with is an unverifiable document, at least until they post them up again. There's no way to prove that GW didn't deliberately purge the FAQs because they decided they don't apply any more (there's no way to prove that they did do it deliberately either, but in this case the viability of the FAQ needs to be proven).

The bearded one
10-04-2014, 22:56
... without the FAQ my Tau can spam missiledrones on everything :p

Bugaboo
11-04-2014, 01:06
What, like the old painting and gaming articles? They were only down for a short period to adjust to the new paints. This isn't just an odd move, it reopens a lot of old wounds and makes some units illegal (twin Blastmasters, anyone?).

Given some people would swear up and down the FAQ meant triple Blasmasters was possible and based their reasons for that belief primarily off ellipses, I'm almost glad that one in particular is gone.

LotusCorgi
11-04-2014, 02:20
well i got a link to cached copy from google, but i am having trouble downloading it (i dont have office). I wonder how long cached copies last? knowing google probably a loooong time...

Majorbookworm
11-04-2014, 04:17
No they are not, that is a local copy you have stored in your cache. When I click your link from my work computer I get the text "All Records Expunged from Library", which is just a fancy 404 error page.

The link works for me, and I've never opened it before.

Mauler
11-04-2014, 07:16
And where on the GW site does it tell us the FAQs are official documents? I see no mention in the main rulebook under "What you will need" that there are official FAQs. I don't see a mention in the "Choosing Your Army" section either that there may be FAQs to refer to, just the Codex. They don't specifically mention FAQs in the "Basic versus Advanced" section either. All you're left with is an unverifiable document, at least until they post them up again. There's no way to prove that GW didn't deliberately purge the FAQs because they decided they don't apply any more (there's no way to prove that they did do it deliberately either, but in this case the viability of the FAQ needs to be proven).

Wow. Seriously? Are you really being that guy?

1) Anyone with an ounce of common sense and working eyes can see that they were stored on GW's server and Google's cached them from there.
2) Each FAQ has "Official Update Version..." on them as plain as day.
3) Their providence is established in #1
4) With no message from GW saying otherwise they are official documents, see #2
5) Official documents remain in use unless specifically recalled or are made redundant by the next edition.

Fairly logical progression based on the facts, there.

Shadeseraph
11-04-2014, 07:38
... without the FAQ my Tau can spam missiledrones on everything :p

Precissely my thoughts. Added fun now, with farsight enclave's core crisis suits. How much S7AP4 fire can you get in a single army?.

Hal'jin
11-04-2014, 08:17
I like how this situation clearly points out the people you really should avoid playing with. ;) I wonder how well would this line work in court "Nuh-uh, how do I know you did not tamper with that lawbook, your honor! "

Mauler
11-04-2014, 09:03
I like how this situation clearly points out the people you really should avoid playing with. ;) I wonder how well would this line work in court "Nuh-uh, how do I know you did not tamper with that lawbook, your honor! "

Haha, absolutely.

"Do you play for fun?"
"NO. I PLAY TO WIN."
"Cheerio and good luck."

Pssyche
11-04-2014, 09:34
Bad news for all you GW Haters and "That Guys" who've just come out of the closet.

The Manager of GW Stockport, our local store, has just posted the following message on the North West Gaming Centre Facebook Page.

Just had an email regarding GW faqs, it's only temporary, they will be back up soon.

https://m.facebook.com/groups/350460062435?view=permalink&id=10152319760797436

I suppose now would be a good time to start shouting that you've never heard of him.
I'd expect nothing less of some people.
Go on, indulge me...

totgeboren
11-04-2014, 09:39
GW is like: "Questions? FAQ YOU you ungrateful whiners!"
And we are like: "Nooooo!"
And the rest are like: "lol burn!"

Gusthehut
11-04-2014, 10:07
If anybody won't let me use anything from the chaos FAQ I will just simply point them at my digital copy on my I pad that has been updated with all of the FAQ rules.

Basically put my zombies can be taken in large numbers, and I can have a blast master in a unit of 5 noise marines because my codex says I can.

Mauler
11-04-2014, 10:08
Hahaha @ FAQ YOU. It's an oldie but a good'un...

Scammel
11-04-2014, 10:44
Bad news for all you GW Haters and "That Guys" who've just come out of the closet.

The Manager of GW Stockport, our local store, has just posted the following message on the North West Gaming Centre Facebook Page.

Just had an email regarding GW faqs, it's only temporary, they will be back up soon.

https://m.facebook.com/groups/350460062435?view=permalink&id=10152319760797436

I suppose now would be a good time to start shouting that you've never heard of him.
I'd expect nothing less of some people.
Go on, indulge me...

:eyebrows: The fears about the abolition of the FAQs are entirely well-grounded. You don't need to be a 'hater' to see that there is an existing track record of exactly this kind of thing happening.

duffybear1988
11-04-2014, 11:00
Bad news for all you GW Haters and "That Guys" who've just come out of the closet.

The Manager of GW Stockport, our local store, has just posted the following message on the North West Gaming Centre Facebook Page.

Just had an email regarding GW faqs, it's only temporary, they will be back up soon.

https://m.facebook.com/groups/350460062435?view=permalink&id=10152319760797436

I suppose now would be a good time to start shouting that you've never heard of him.
I'd expect nothing less of some people.
Go on, indulge me...

Or they could have never planned to put them on the site in the first place, not expecting the backlash, then after the sudden shock of thousands of gamers contacting them asking for FAQs the just caved in to public pressure and are frantically updating the site and have put out this message as a temporary stopgap.

If the plan was to have them on the site from almost the very beginning then I see no reason why the heading and link to the page with the soon to be FAQs on it couldn't have been included from day one of the new website release. Think how much time, money and effort would have been saved not having to reply to all these calls, emails and face to face queries...

Even the store managers were clueless about the FAQs! That's not good for business. Frankly it makes them look incompetent.

Poor planning and management but that's what some of us have come to expect from GW.

Hal'jin
11-04-2014, 11:04
Or they could have never planned to put them on the site in the first place, not expecting the backlash, then after the sudden shock of thousands of gamers contacting them asking for FAQs the just caved in to public pressure and are frantically updating the site and have put out this message as a temporary stopgap.

If the plan was to have them on the site from almost the very beginning then I see no reason why the heading and link to the page with the soon to be FAQs on it couldn't have been included from day one of the new website release. Think how much time, money and effort would have been saved not having to reply to all these calls, emails and face to face queries...

Even the store managers were clueless about the FAQs! That's not good for business. Frankly it makes them look incompetent.

Poor planning and management but that's what some of us have come to expect from GW.


And they were cackling while doing it, no doubt ;)

Poseidal
11-04-2014, 11:09
Not enough goo-feasting people.

Also, isn't it established that GW Store managers are kept in the dark as much as everyone else?

hobojebus
11-04-2014, 11:14
Like I said the people we get to talk to don't get told feck all.

duffybear1988
11-04-2014, 11:14
And they were cackling while doing it, no doubt ;)

Cackling suggests they planned to anger gamers but I'm guessing they are just incompetent.

I prefer to think of GW HQ with more of a spaghetti western theme - wind blowing, tumbleweed rolling, and a single door banging in the background. A cooling body in the street slowly bleeding out and the gunman making off into the distance, his horse's hoofbeats matching the pitter patter of the rain as the heavens open up. All the while the local townspeople shelter in their houses, saloon and drug store hiding and watching the man die alone. Unfortunately the sheriff took a job in the next town along, which is thriving and crime is at a minimum.

hobojebus
11-04-2014, 11:23
Does not matter if it's intentional or an error the results the same poor customer service.

If it wasn't a hobby full of "that guy" it would not be an issue but you just know somewhere out there someone's arguing helldrakes no longer fire 360, or is trying to use jotww with in infinite width.

Cheeslord
11-04-2014, 11:41
That provokes a thought:- whats the worst rules interpretation that can be deployed in the absence of FAQs, or rather, which game-breaking rule that was FAQd to make sense is now (at least potentially) set loose to menace the world? The Helldrake is probably better off NOT firing 360 degrees, but there must be some FAQs that stopped crazy rules abuse... I just can't remember them right now. I think Necron RPs may have taken a hit, and once again if you blow up a night scythe it can be interpreted that the passengers get blown up as normal (because they don't "disembark"), but these are small things...

... also it should be said ... just for one moment everyone feels the pain of Daemon players ...

Mark.

Scammel
11-04-2014, 11:49
That provokes a thought:- whats the worst rules interpretation that can be deployed in the absence of FAQs, or rather, which game-breaking rule that was FAQd to make sense is now (at least potentially) set loose to menace the world? The Helldrake is probably better off NOT firing 360 degrees, but there must be some FAQs that stopped crazy rules abuse... I just can't remember them right now. I think Necron RPs may have taken a hit, and once again if you blow up a night scythe it can be interpreted that the passengers get blown up as normal (because they don't "disembark"), but these are small things...

... also it should be said ... just for one moment everyone feels the pain of Daemon players ...

Mark.

What's the issue with Daemons? Their FAQ was relatively light from what I remember.

Mozzamanx
11-04-2014, 11:49
That provokes a thought:- whats the worst rules interpretation that can be deployed in the absence of FAQs, or rather, which game-breaking rule that was FAQd to make sense is now (at least potentially) set loose to menace the world? The Helldrake is probably better off NOT firing 360 degrees, but there must be some FAQs that stopped crazy rules abuse... I just can't remember them right now. I think Necron RPs may have taken a hit, and once again if you blow up a night scythe it can be interpreted that the passengers get blown up as normal (because they don't "disembark"), but these are small things...

... also it should be said ... just for one moment everyone feels the pain of Daemon players ...

Mark.

I for one, welcome our new Missile Drone Overlords.

Mauler
11-04-2014, 12:21
Cackling suggests they planned to anger gamers but I'm guessing they are just incompetent.

I prefer to think of GW HQ with more of a spaghetti western theme - wind blowing, tumbleweed rolling, and a single door banging in the background. A cooling body in the street slowly bleeding out and the gunman making off into the distance, his horse's hoofbeats matching the pitter patter of the rain as the heavens open up. All the while the local townspeople shelter in their houses, saloon and drug store hiding and watching the man die alone. Unfortunately the sheriff took a job in the next town along, which is thriving and crime is at a minimum.

To be fair I think that GW HQ is absolutely a place divided into two unequal halves. The small number of suits who actually make the calls and hold the "must have profit" purse-strings and a large number of creative design & office guys who just want the company to be awesome. I also suspect that the final decisions for most corporate stuff (ie - everything that costs money that's not rules or artwork) sits with the guys who place money first and the creative guys have to work around them.

The new website is a prime example, IMO. The design guys have peed all over the old site and given one that's much better for finding & buying stuff, but yeah, implement the shop first for the money, then introduce hobby stuff second 'cos it's free. Not an income generator = not a priority. This can also be applied to vanishing units from new books; does it sell? No - bin it and replace it with something that will. And we all know that units without models can't sell.

A shame really, because I feel that GW are doing some of their finest work in 6th and their release schedule is to be applauded by every player...but they just need to free up some of the budget for a bloody PR person/team and some quality control people.

duffybear1988
11-04-2014, 12:22
To be fair I think that GW HQ is absolutely a place divided into two unequal halves. The small number of suits who actually make the calls and hold the "must have profit" purse-strings and a large number of creative design & office guys who just want the company to be awesome. I also suspect that the final decisions for most corporate stuff (ie - everything that costs money that's not rules or artwork) sits with the guys who place money first and the creative guys have to work around them.

The new website is a prime example, IMO. The design guys have peed all over the old site and given one that's much better for buy stuff, but yeah, shop first for the money, hobby stuff second 'cos it's free. This can also be applied to vanishing units from new books; does it sell? No - bin it and replace it with something that will. And we all know that units without models can't sell.

A shame really, because I feel that GW are doing some of their finest work in 6th and their release schedule is to be applauded by every player...but they just need to free up some of the budget for a bloody PR person/team and some quality control people.

Exactly. The potential for goodness is there but they just keep missing the mark.

Cheeslord
11-04-2014, 12:51
What's the issue with Daemons? Their FAQ was relatively light from what I remember.

Their FAQ was non existant for the latest codex (they put an update date on it after the codex release, but it did not address any of the issues from the new codex and looked like they just ported the old FAQ with a new date on it). Daemons never got fixed so now everybody else is unfixed (at least for a bit...)

Mark.

<edit> - just though of one ... without the FAQ, the 6th edition wound allocation goes back to forcing you to distribute wounds evenly over multi-wound units if there is a Character tanking the hits due to Look Out Sir! (e.g. ork nobz ... uh actually, ALL nobz are characters again! this caused some kind of wierd effect with LOS but I can't remember what .)

Mandragola
11-04-2014, 14:14
I for one, welcome our new Missile Drone Overlords.

Internet-winning statement.

I anticipate that we will soon have the "opportunity" to buy FAQs from black library.

There's one slightly more charitable interpretation, which is that GW have taken the FAQs down because 7th edition is coming soon - which is a fairly persistent rumour.

Another possibility is that they took the FAQs down because they were bad, and an admission of failure in their original publications. So maybe they disliked having to own up to having made mistakes like having a light chariot that can't move and shoot. It makes them look like idiots.

0604854
11-04-2014, 14:21
Cant someone just post the FAQ's online for people to download, someone must still have them....

Hal'jin
11-04-2014, 14:31
Cackling suggests they planned to anger gamers but I'm guessing they are just incompetent.

You do, but then you get posts like this:


Internet-winning statement.

I anticipate that we will soon have the "opportunity" to buy FAQs from black library.

There's one slightly more charitable interpretation, which is that GW have taken the FAQs down because 7th edition is coming soon - which is a fairly persistent rumour.

Another possibility is that they took the FAQs down because they were bad, and an admission of failure in their original publications. So maybe they disliked having to own up to having made mistakes like having a light chariot that can't move and shoot. It makes them look like idiots.

Yes, the evil GW is out to get your money, the next step is to charge you for each visit to their webstore, only then their complete world domination will be complete! *lightning strikes nearby*


Some people just really love to come up with these scenarios in their heads, as if to bring themselves down on purpose. ;) Not everybody is out there to get you, guys!

Marshal
11-04-2014, 14:32
Blarg, Character Paladins again :/

0604854
11-04-2014, 14:39
If you need the FAQ's check out this:
http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?392791-40K-FAQ-s-if-you-need-them

Scammel
11-04-2014, 14:51
You do, but then you get posts like this:



Yes, the evil GW is out to get your money, the next step is to charge you for each visit to their webstore, only then their complete world domination will be complete! *lightning strikes nearby*


Some people just really love to come up with these scenarios in their heads, as if to bring themselves down on purpose. ;) Not everybody is out there to get you, guys!

Without meaning to sound... well, mean, I imagine there were plenty of optimistic posts when they stopped selling bits/closed down their own forums/stopped supporting and selling specialist games/closed their own Facebook page/scrapped the historicals division/stopped supporting particular tournaments/got rid of all their online articles etc etc ad infinitum. It's quite hard to feel optimistic about anything they do nowadays bar the models and occasionally rules.

Mauler
11-04-2014, 14:52
Cant someone just post the FAQ's online for people to download, someone must still have them....

I did in this thread, and the mods removed my post.

You may want to save yourself a warning and not post the link ;)

Hal'jin
11-04-2014, 14:58
Without meaning to sound... well, mean, I imagine there were plenty of optimistic posts when they stopped selling bits/closed down their own forums/stopped supporting and selling specialist games/closed their own Facebook page/scrapped the historicals division/stopped supporting particular tournaments/got rid of all their online articles etc etc ad infinitum. It's quite hard to feel optimistic about anything they do nowadays bar the models and occasionally rules.

Nobody is saying to be optimistic, but there's also no need to come up with imaginary doomsday scenarios. Otherwise it's like crossing the line between "Meh, this year's election changes nothing" and "Omg the new prime minister is a reptilian!" ;)


Just relax, they are not done yet, we don't know what will happen. You can go a few days/weeks without playing with ******s that will gleefuly exploit the lack of FAQs, no?

Surgency
11-04-2014, 15:13
Just relax, they are not done yet, we don't know what will happen. You can go a few days/weeks without playing with ******s that will gleefuly exploit the lack of FAQs, no?

Given the state of panic and rage in this thread I'm going to guess the answer to that is "no."

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BigRob
11-04-2014, 16:16
Maybe they were just tired of people complaining and demanding FAQs the minute a new book is released?

Yes of course they should playtest and some of the very basic problems that the FAQs had to solve should never have made it anywhere near the final product but as I understand it, in the statements, they have suggested you solve it between yourselves and let common sense and the friendly camaraderie of war gaming prevail. Yeah........

The downside of all the people who have "copies" of the old FAQs, I can just picture you whipping them out in a store in front of little Timmy and saying "Actually it says here you cant do that". Not only can he not check online, he could go home, write his own "official" FAQ and pull the same trick on someone else.

FAQs are gone..........so whether you keep a copy and house rule their use at your gaming club or just say, Well never mind, back to using Rules as Written, any amount of anger won't bring them back...well not for the time being anyway. To me its one less thing to carry about, just the other day someone was complaining on here that having to lug around 4 rules books and a pile of printed FAQs was getting a bit much.

Common sense, stupidity, well who knows..... I still belong to the old Stillmania idea of gaming....when it was about having fun.....

Theocracity
11-04-2014, 16:22
The downside of all the people who have "copies" of the old FAQs, I can just picture you whipping them out in a store in front of little Timmy and saying "Actually it says here you cant do that". Not only can he not check online, he could go home, write his own "official" FAQ and pull the same trick on someone else.


The only thing you've lost if you lose a game to someone using a forged FAQ is respect for that person. I don't think its worth worrying about. I advise trusting the FAQ you're provided with (as long as it sounds reasonable and is not written in Comic Sans or something) and not worrying about unlikely potential cheats made solely by class-A jerks.

Mozzamanx
11-04-2014, 16:35
But by the same token, what if Little Timmy decides he wants to play space soldiers, buys a Tau Codex and then notices that a Missile Drone is obnoxiously good value. He then builds a Tau army according to the rules in his Codex, turns up to a local tournament, and his opponent pulls out an oop document written years ago and no longer accessible on the internet that tells him his army is now illegal. He would have no way of knowing in advance unless he actively sought out advice from people who played 'back in the day' when FAQs were actually a thing.

I'd like to believe that GW has every intention of uploading them but the fact that they put the site down for over 24 hours for what is essentially a graphics update, and one of the changes was to remove that button, I'm not confident that they'd remake it anytime soon.

Cheeslord
11-04-2014, 16:59
But by the same token, what if Little Timmy decides he wants to play space soldiers, buys a Tau Codex and then notices that a Missile Drone is obnoxiously good value. He then builds a Tau army according to the rules in his Codex, turns up to a local tournament, and his opponent pulls out an oop document written years ago and no longer accessible on the internet that tells him his army is now illegal. He would have no way of knowing in advance unless he actively sought out advice from people who played 'back in the day' when FAQs were actually a thing.

I'd like to believe that GW has every intention of uploading them but the fact that they put the site down for over 24 hours for what is essentially a graphics update, and one of the changes was to remove that button, I'm not confident that they'd remake it anytime soon.

I think "little timmy" should play pick-up games or games with friends for a while before setting out into the tournament scene (also he should check with the organiser about rules for the tournament, which - if there are still no official FAQs at that time - should specify what if any FAQs or houserules are valid for that tournament)

Theocracity
11-04-2014, 17:00
I think "little timmy" should play pick-up games or games with friends for a while before setting out into the tournament scene (also he should check with the organiser about rules for the tournament, which - if there are still no official FAQs at that time - should specify what if any FAQs or houserules are valid for that tournament)

Yeah, basically. That situation as described could have happened exactly the same when FAQs were available if Timmy never bothered to check for them.

Sotek
11-04-2014, 17:47
Yeah, basically. That situation as described could have happened exactly the same when FAQs were available if Timmy never bothered to check for them.

I disagree, if the TO says 'check the FAQs' - well there's none to check!

Scammel
11-04-2014, 17:51
If hypothetically they never come back it'll be a really tough call for TOs balancing, uh, balance against the limited access to the FAQs. If they have access to them, I'd put them in whatever rulespack they put out. If they don't have access to them, I think it's a case of biting the bullet and making it clear that they're not going to be used.

Ssilmath
11-04-2014, 17:52
In that case, the TO's can come up with their own FAQ's and post them.

Ozendorph
11-04-2014, 18:07
In that case, the TO's can come up with their own FAQ's and post them.

That seems like a reasonable use of time and energy. Organizing and running events leaves a lot of free hours to spend documenting and correcting GW's publications

Ssilmath
11-04-2014, 18:10
That seems like a reasonable use of time and energy. Organizing and running events leaves a lot of free hours to spend documenting and correcting GW's publications

Then ask somebody to help if you're so strapped for time that you can't manage. Our local group came up with an additional set of FAQ's to go along with the standard ones, and retrieving the original FAQ's is as easy as going to Google and getting the archives. Or just start your planning a couple weeks earlier by coming up with the FAQ's you want to enforce.

Davemaddocks
11-04-2014, 18:14
Simply put they MUST go back up in some format, I can see them becoming some sort of eBook you need to pay for as they used to be (before the website was around) in White dwarf and you had top buy all the white dwarfs for the "chapter approved" articles. However there are issues like Grey Knights. Currently rules as written that codex is almost unplayable. You have no mastery levels for Psychers you have no access to the 6th ed powers either. Storm ravens are skimmers with no fly ability etc. etc. same in warhammer there are older codex which simply dont work.

Mauler
11-04-2014, 18:24
Then ask somebody to help if you're so strapped for time that you can't manage. Our local group came up with an additional set of FAQ's to go along with the standard ones, and retrieving the original FAQ's is as easy as going to Google and getting the archives. Or just start your planning a couple weeks earlier by coming up with the FAQ's you want to enforce.

Yeah, there's not really any excuse to not provide the original FAQs at a tourney; they're easy to download still and I would've thought that any experienced and/or diligent TO would have copies already.

Ozendorph
11-04-2014, 18:25
Then ask somebody to help if you're so strapped for time that you can't manage. Our local group came up with an additional set of FAQ's to go along with the standard ones, and retrieving the original FAQ's is as easy as going to Google and getting the archives. Or just start your planning a couple weeks earlier by coming up with the FAQ's you want to enforce.

I just think it's cute you're telling people that already give up their time (typically for zero compensation) to fix GW's messes on top of organizing events and promoting the game. You'd think it's in GW's interest to support TOs with workable rules and updates, but they really seem to loathe them and their work. This little fiasco with the FAQs being removed is just one more reminder that GW (at best) couldn't care any less about organized play.

Ozendorph
11-04-2014, 18:26
Yeah, there's not really any excuse to not provide the original FAQs at a tourney; they're easy to download still and I would've thought that any experienced and/or diligent TO would have copies already.

That's very different than what SSilmat suggested

Ssilmath
11-04-2014, 18:30
I just think it's cute you're telling people that already give up their time (typically for zero compensation)

If they're already setting up a tournament, they've already decided to sacrifice that time. Spending an hour a day a couple weeks prior to the main work isn't a whole lot of a hardship, and if TO's are setting up their own FAQ's anyways then I don't see an issue at all.

Scammel
11-04-2014, 18:48
If they're already setting up a tournament, they've already decided to sacrifice that time. Spending an hour a day a couple weeks prior to the main work isn't a whole lot of a hardship, and if TO's are setting up their own FAQ's anyways then I don't see an issue at all.

Whilst I don't think there's inherently an issue with TOs taking the time to do that sort of thing (as you said, they've already sacrificed the time), it does require a substantial breadth of knowledge with regard to the races out there. I remember a few pertinent erratas for the races I play, there's no way I'd be able to identify and resolve two page's worth of FAQs for every book.

Ssilmath
11-04-2014, 18:55
there's no way I'd be able to identify and resolve two page's worth of FAQs for every book.

And they don't need to. Even if GW doesn't put the FAQ's back up (Which is in opposition to what has been stated), you've got Google Archives and various websites and forums as a tool to use. If it was construed that I meant to come up with a comprehensive FAQ from the books and personal knowledge only, then I apologize for not clarifying.

Lord Inquisitor
11-04-2014, 19:30
I've no doubt the FAQ's will be back soon enough. But if they didn't I wouldn't think every TO would have to reinvent the wheel if they didn't want to. There have been several community FAQs over the years - it's been a while since I played 40k in tournaments but certainly the InatFAQ used to be the "go to" document for TOs. There's the ETC FAQs and for WFB there are several too. Would not take long for these FAQs to accommodate (and possibly improve upon) the erstwhile GW FAQs. A TO would not have to write a whole new set of FAQs, they could simply say they're using so-and-so's FAQs.

SanDiegoSurrealist
11-04-2014, 19:59
Claiming that there are NO FAQ rules anymore because they are not currently posted on the website, is like saying you can not play Monopoly because you lost the lid to the box.
With a little effort you can find the rules somewhere, don't be daft.

Scammel
11-04-2014, 20:10
Claiming that there are NO FAQ rules anymore because they are not currently posted on the website, is like saying you can not play Monopoly because you lost the lid to the box.
With a little effort you can find the rules somewhere, don't be daft.

Again in this hypothetical world when they don't come back, there would surely come a point when they become too hard to get ahold of and start to disappear from the collective memory. A year down the line (ageless, much-reviled) little Timmy is unlikely to know of their existence. Once you get even a minority of players not knowing of their existence or being unable to find them, it's hard to argue that 'They're out there, you should know' when they're not on the official site - it's unfair to expect people to know rules that aren't obviously accessible.

Again, hypothetically.

SanDiegoSurrealist
11-04-2014, 20:19
Again in this hypothetical world when they don't come back, there would surely come a point when they become too hard to get ahold of and start to disappear from the collective memory. A year down the line (ageless, much-reviled) little Timmy is unlikely to know of their existence. Once you get even a minority of players not knowing of their existence or being unable to find them, it's hard to argue that 'They're out there, you should know' when they're not on the official site - it's unfair to expect people to know rules that aren't obviously accessible.

Again, hypothetically.

The new site has been up for less than 48 hours, seems like it maybe a little early to start the doom and gloom speeches and predicting the downfall of regulated Warhammer play for newbies.

SanDiegoSurrealist
11-04-2014, 20:20
Deleted double post

Theocracity
11-04-2014, 20:31
The new site has been up for less than 48 hours, seems like it maybe a little early to start the doom and gloom speeches and predicting the downfall of regulated Warhammer play for newbies.

Yup.

I should note that if we assume this to be the result of a website error or content delay, its likely that the fix will be up next week. That's usually the shortest amount of time that a website development team will use for non-critical code release dates.

yabbadabba
11-04-2014, 20:42
I just think it's cute you're telling people that already give up their time (typically for zero compensation) to fix GW's messes on top of organizing events and promoting the game. You'd think it's in GW's interest to support TOs with workable rules and updates, but they really seem to loathe them and their work. This little fiasco with the FAQs being removed is just one more reminder that GW (at best) couldn't care any less about organized play. Not at all. The core games are not designed for tournaments, never have been. If you decide to run a tournament with them, then you are going to need to put in the extra work to make sure the system fits your requirements. House rules, in other words. You would have to do the same if you wanted to do a WFB version of chess, but with different rules.

Ozendorph
11-04-2014, 21:10
Not at all. The core games are not designed for tournaments, never have been.

I often see this stated as fact, but of course it is an opinion. How a "tournament" is defined varies from person to person, and including the word "never" isn't a good idea. I mean, you do realize GW used to run official tournaments, so..


If you decide to run a tournament with them, then you are going to need to put in the extra work to make sure the system fits your requirements. House rules, in other words. You would have to do the same if you wanted to do a WFB version of chess, but with different rules.

First, the post I was responding to wasn't talking about house rules. He was saying GW removing their FAQs simply means it falls on TOs (or other volunteers, as he later clarified) to fix GWs shoddy rules and provide their own FAQs. I ran a lot of tournaments in 5th. I designed my own missions, but never had to create an elaborate set of house rules to get through an event. Now? We messed around with some ideas, but ultimately decided it wasn't worth the headache to make a decent game out of 6th. GW's decision to pull their FAQs seems to indicate they feel the same way ;)

DoctorTom
11-04-2014, 21:35
The new site has been up for less than 48 hours, seems like it maybe a little early to start the doom and gloom speeches and predicting the downfall of regulated Warhammer play for newbies.

This is Warseer, it's NEVER too early to start with the doom and gloom! :D

Scammel
11-04-2014, 21:56
The new site has been up for less than 48 hours, seems like it maybe a little early to start the doom and gloom speeches and predicting the downfall of regulated Warhammer play for newbies.

I did say hypothetically. Repeatedly.

carldooley
11-04-2014, 21:56
I think "little timmy" should play pick-up games or games with friends for a while before setting out into the tournament scene (also he should check with the organiser about rules for the tournament, which - if there are still no official FAQs at that time - should specify what if any FAQs or houserules are valid for that tournament)

I should say that I was a Timmy. I played almost exclusively in tournaments when I started in this game. If you think that dataslates and multiple books are trouble for building lists today, imagine how the Ork armies were back when I started (in third). watching someone pull out a half dozen white dwarfs, and the CA 2004 for the VDR rules, was heart wrenching because there was NO WAY to anticipate what my opponents were bringing to a game.

As for the TO today, I'd highly recommend things like the Adepticon FAQ. well that and changing strD weapons from the abominations in Escalation or Stronghold Assault to Auto Wound, Auto Pen, Instant Death (still allow saves, but no FNP)

Daemonslave
11-04-2014, 21:59
It's official: Games Workshop doesn't give a FAQ

Lord Inquisitor
11-04-2014, 22:29
Heh heh heh.

Ozendorph
11-04-2014, 23:31
It's official: Games Workshop doesn't give a FAQ

Aaand that's a wrap. Thread won.

williamsond
11-04-2014, 23:42
yup today deamonslave won the interwebz

Sotek
12-04-2014, 02:50
The issue is that Little Jimmy goes in and decides to get him some tau. He reads the codex and decides that he likes missile drones. So he spends a week converting up some missile drones then BAM faq appears and renders it null.

Ssilmath
12-04-2014, 02:59
The issue is that Little Jimmy goes in and decides to get him some tau. He reads the codex and decides that he likes missile drones. So he spends a week converting up some missile drones then BAM faq appears and renders it null.

Wouldn't he do exactly the same thing if he doesn't go looking for FAQ's? I mean, we're assuming somebody completely new to the hobby, why in the world would he even consider trying to look up an FAQ?

Ozendorph
12-04-2014, 04:36
Wouldn't he do exactly the same thing if he doesn't go looking for FAQ's? I mean, we're assuming somebody completely new to the hobby, why in the world would he even consider trying to look up an FAQ?

I think more likely (in this scenario) the kid would show up for a game and have his mates (likely sick of his missile pods) hold up the FAQ and let him know his army is now illegal. Cue raised voices.

For the record I don't see that as a very likely/common scenario. I think the most damaging aspect of all of this is GW further demonstrating their lack of respect or concern for their own customers. Just keep driving that wedge, fellas.

Surgency
12-04-2014, 04:37
For the record I don't see that as a very likely/common scenario.

I think this is happening to poor timmys everywhere even now

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Ozendorph
12-04-2014, 04:47
I think this is happening to poor timmys everywhere even now


Maybe that's why GW's making these decisions. Intentionally shooing away the poor timmys of the world to spare them a lifetime of gamer-heartache? Awfully big of them, when you stop and think about it.

AngryAngel
12-04-2014, 05:06
Just like a commissar, GW's love is a tough/deadly love.

Abaraxas
12-04-2014, 08:47
So, would y'all say it's time to crack each other's heads open and feast on the goo inside?

It's the only way :p

Wintermute
12-04-2014, 08:52
I often see this stated as fact, but of course it is an opinion.

In this case I'd treat this 'opinion' as fact.

However GW actively seeks feedback from gamers attending their events at Warhammer World and this undue influence will be seen in 40k 7th Ed.

As for the lack of FAQs, it just an example of GW rushing through the upgrade to their website and not having it all ready to launch in one go.

There is no change in policy, just GW incompetence.

​Wintermute

G8Keeper
12-04-2014, 13:19
Just thought i'd share this with you all, should calm a few people down.


Hi Steve

Thanks for the email regarding the new website.

Currently the FaQ's are not available on the website, as the design team are taking this opportunity to fully update all the FAQ and Errata articles. This is only temporary and these FAQ's will be made available again in the very near future.

I hope that this helps, but if you need anything further, please feel free to contact us again.
Kind regards
Lydia


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malisteen
12-04-2014, 14:02
I don't know. Do any of us really trust custserv? I mean, they told me in an email that knights would be allowed to ally with chaos marines, and right now I'm pretty glad I didn't believe a word they said, because a week later the knights book was out, and it said 100% the opposite. Why would the design team waste their time writing all new FAQs for 6th edition, when 7th edition is supposedly right around the corner? I expect we've seen the last of FAQs until 7e is out, and even then all we'll see are half hearted patches to make the 6e books fit the 7e core rules. After that? No more FAQs at all, no matter how egregious any error that shows up might be.

G8Keeper
12-04-2014, 14:14
Or just be reasonable and assume your experience was the exception not necessarily the rule?

malisteen
12-04-2014, 14:20
It wasn't the exception when it came to that particular question. Every chaos player I've spoken to who asked them got the same wrong answer on that.

Again, why would they bother writing entire new FAQs for 6th edition with 7th edition right around the corner? How is that not the assumption that seems more unreasonable to you?

hobojebus
12-04-2014, 14:22
They dont need new FAQs for 6th just repost the existing ones, and when 7th arrives replace with new ones.

Leaving your community with nothing is just poor planning.

G8Keeper
12-04-2014, 14:43
Perhaps they are indeed going over the faq's ready for 7th? Its not like theyre going to say so, confirming 7th in the process.

As for what is more likely, i like to think people generally tell the truth, call me an optimist but hey, someone's got to be right? Maybe its the Knights FAQ we're awaiting and they got the allies matrix wrong initially :-o

Lord Inquisitor
12-04-2014, 17:36
Someone over on TWF got a reply from GW saying that the design team are updating the faqs before re uploading them.

Plausible and would be very welcome if true.

itcamefromthedeep
12-04-2014, 18:10
Just thought i'd share this with you all, should calm a few people down.


Hi Steve

Thanks for the email regarding the new website.

Currently the FaQ's are not available on the website, as the design team are taking this opportunity to fully update all the FAQ and Errata articles. This is only temporary and these FAQ's will be made available again in the very near future.That would be nice.

I'd take it with a grain of salt, but after the 7e rumors thread I need to watch my sodium intake.

A new FAQ format might be the explanation for not putting up more FAQ documents recently. I don't think it's a *good* explanation, but the corporate-level customer service decisions at GW are utterly inscrutable to me.

murgel2006
12-04-2014, 20:26
Frankly, I think they will not go up again. GW will just tell us to get the cool "interactive ibook edition" which of cause is always updated ... :shifty:

Oh, and they will increase the price ... :evilgrin:

duffybear1988
12-04-2014, 21:04
Updating probably just means re correcting the spelling mistakes and formatting errors in the old documents...

carldooley
13-04-2014, 05:47
Updating probably just means re correcting the spelling mistakes and formatting errors in the old documents...

let us hope that they employ that dry british humor and have the same number of spelling mistakes and formatting errors, but new ones in different places.

Baaltor
13-04-2014, 08:58
So the new GW website has launched and there's no FAQ's on there. Not one!

This means armies like Space Wolves who don't have a sixth edition codex have lost their 6th Ed rules updates. It also means that some of the stupid interpretations of the rules which GW cleared for us (like CSM Zombies only being allowed to be ten-strong) are no longer valid.

I see this as a major blow for both competitive and casual gamers.

What do you guys think?

I hope you're kidding, are you a robot? Just because they took them down it doesn't invalidate the faq or their rulings. Factually the FAQ were always said to be not absolute by GW themselves, so you always could have ignored them.

Wishing
13-04-2014, 09:27
I hope you're kidding, are you a robot? Just because they took them down it doesn't invalidate the faq or their rulings. Factually the FAQ were always said to be not absolute by GW themselves, so you always could have ignored them.

I think the point is just that there is a (large?) portion of the player base for whom the precise wording of rules is very important, because they only play with the exact rules that GW have printed as official, nothing else is an option. "Just play whatever way you want" doesn't work when you are part of a community where you aren't allowed to play whatever way you want, but only the "official" way. Players don't exist in isolation, they exist as part of a gaming environment that they have to conform to.

For these players, not having official access to the documents that modify what the official rules are is a pretty big deal, I think that is pretty easy to understand even if you don't care about it yourself. GW themselves clearly don't care, but as other people have said, that's why lots of their fans hate GW - because they and a portion of their fanbase care about different things.

I certainly sympathise with the people who are suffering from this problem, and I think that people saying "stop whining and just change the way you play" aren't being very helpful.

Azulthar
13-04-2014, 10:45
Someone over on TWF got a reply from GW saying that the design team are updating the faqs before re uploading them.

Plausible and would be very welcome if true.
I got the exact same reply from GW, for what it's worth.

G8Keeper
13-04-2014, 11:01
I got the exact same reply from GW, for what it's worth.

So that's three people who've had the same reply, interesting.

hobojebus
13-04-2014, 11:32
So that's three people who've had the same reply, interesting.

Not really it's a very standard reply to any question ever asked of any company, we are sorry x isn't working but we are sure x will be fixed soon.

Lanacane
13-04-2014, 12:27
So that's three people who've had the same reply, interesting.

the reply i got was that they were waiting to update FAQ's due to the inclusion of Knights and other FOC changing stuff.

the tone of the phonecall was that someone screwed up and they are fixing the problem.

It was very rehearsed until i asked about the change to FOCs and is Temps a non-FOC ally or not..

The bearded one
13-04-2014, 13:51
Not really it's a very standard reply to any question ever asked of any company, we are sorry x isn't working but we are sure x will be fixed soon.

That is indeed a very standard reply.
Too bad this one's slightly different from that. Saying "sorry, we're sure it'll be fixed soon" is a statement so vague that there's no responsibility, as that statement is always true, regardless of what happens. Saying "we're taking this opportunity to change the FAQs" means we should expect something to actually happen, otherwise it is a boldfaced lie.
Additionally I heard the same story from my GW manager.

Baaltor
13-04-2014, 16:42
For these players, not having official access to the documents that modify what the official rules are is a pretty big deal, I think that is pretty easy to understand even if you don't care about it yourself. GW themselves clearly don't care, but as other people have said, that's why lots of their fans hate GW - because they and a portion of their fanbase care about different things.


I'm sorry, but the world doesn't work so literally. Just because GW forgot to repost their FAQ when they redid their site a couple of days ago, it doesn't mean they unpublished their content. Are you going to say that my DA codex is invalid next Friday when their site glitches and the codex disappears for the day? Even if that were the case, it's not that hard for a community as a whole to agree to continue using FAQ rulings or not. I don't see why they wouldn't unless they thought they were crappy in the first place.

The Emperor
13-04-2014, 16:57
That would be a pleasant surprise if so. God knows I've e-mailed them plenty of questions for the FAQ's, none of which were ever answered. And I tried my best to make my questions as clear as possible, with page references and rules quotes, and being any straightforward as possible so they wouldn't get any hint of bias as to what answer I was hoping for. With any luck some of those rules questions will finally be answered (For instance, it'd be nice to finally know for certain if a grav weapon does 1 or 2 Hull Points of damage when it damages an already Immobilized vehicle).

itcamefromthedeep
13-04-2014, 19:26
The only reason that the un-publishing stance has any traction is that it's been so long since GW has done any. While removing FAQ docs doesn't make any sense at all, it's only a baby step away from refusing to publish them at all.

FAQs seem to me like quick and easy ways of improving the player experience, which makes their absence profoundly confusing to me.

Baaltor
13-04-2014, 19:50
FAQs seem to me like quick and easy ways of improving the player experience, which makes their absence profoundly confusing to me.

I don't see how you're confused; it should be clear that it's business as usual for GW. ;)

No pun intended.

Also I just want to point out I don't mean to come across as dismissive or anything in my previous posts. I just can't figure out how to say those things more tactfully, so sorry if I offended anyone.

Wishing
13-04-2014, 23:42
I'm sorry, but the world doesn't work so literally. Just because GW forgot to repost their FAQ when they redid their site a couple of days ago, it doesn't mean they unpublished their content. Are you going to say that my DA codex is invalid next Friday when their site glitches and the codex disappears for the day? Even if that were the case, it's not that hard for a community as a whole to agree to continue using FAQ rulings or not. I don't see why they wouldn't unless they thought they were crappy in the first place.

It's about the principle of being able to verify that information is correct, though. If you've somehow changed something in your DA codex with clever manuscriptologist skills, I can always go over and check the DA codex on the shelf of the GW store to see if it matches. Verification is possible because there is an official source to compare with. When there is no official version to compare with, then there is no way to verify the content of other people's FAQs.

It is true that it is an issue of principle rather than something that is likely to cause chaos in practice, but some people care about issues of principle.

Ssilmath
13-04-2014, 23:46
What principle? Do you really want to play against somebody who's going to try and forge a new FAQ document in order to gain an advantage? Is winning that important to such people?

DoctorTom
14-04-2014, 02:00
What principle? Do you really want to play against somebody who's going to try and forge a new FAQ document in order to gain an advantage? Is winning that important to such people?

The principle of being able to go back and verify the document.

You ask if you really want to play against someboyd who's going to try and forge a new FAQ document, if he's gone to the trouble of making it official you won't know until afterwards, since there's no place to go verify if it's a new FAQ or not.

Theocracity
14-04-2014, 03:03
The principle of being able to go back and verify the document.

You ask if you really want to play against someboyd who's going to try and forge a new FAQ document, if he's gone to the trouble of making it official you won't know until afterwards, since there's no place to go verify if it's a new FAQ or not.

It's not exactly rare to deal with an obscure, incorrect or made up rule that the players don't have the power to verify. It's not ideal but it happens, and sometimes people lose games over them but go on with their lives (sometimes resolving not to play against people who make up unverifiable rules).

This really isn't much of a different scenario, except that the cheater would have to go through a lot more work to fake the FAQ. The result is essentially the same - you deal with it, move on with your lives, and ostracize the cheater.

In any situation where the results of the game matter (a tournament), the organizers should have access to a bigger tournament's FAQ in the absence of GW's. For all other situations, it's just a game. You can trust or distrust your fellow gamer as much as you like and write off any losses as learning experiences (at least until GW gets around to fixing the problem).

Wishing
14-04-2014, 08:35
What principle? Do you really want to play against somebody who's going to try and forge a new FAQ document in order to gain an advantage? Is winning that important to such people?

As I said, there are people for whom the principle of being able to verify the official content of a document is important.
That it's not important to you, because you feel that you only play against people who wouldn't do such a heinous thing as document forgery in order to get to play a certain way, doesn't change that.

Gingerwerewolf
14-04-2014, 10:12
A friend Emailed them on release day, asking where they were.

According to the reply he got - they are currently working on new ones, and that they will be published as soon as possible.

Dont know if you lot remember, but before 6th dropped we had a barren year or so - so perhaps this leads credence to the 7th edition this summer.

So until then, use your own saved copies. Like I will.

If you claim to be a tournament player, and you didnt save your own copies:

191367

Mandragola
14-04-2014, 12:34
I'm a tournament player. I saved a few, but not all of them. I liked being able to bring them up on my phone at events where needed, rather than carry around 15 different documents printed off.

The next tournament I'm going to is at the end of May, so hopefully this will be sorted by then.

The removal of FAQs does sort of support the idea of a new edition of 40k... or it would, if only the 40k FAQs were missing. All of them are gone though. I don't think it's reasonable to expect GW to do new editions of both 40k and warhammer at the same time. Nor does it make sense to edit all their FAQs a few weeks before a new edition comes out.

So basically, there's no scenario that makes sense, other than perhaps this: there's no new edition coming and the FAQs are being worked on, or GW just forgot them.

Mauler
14-04-2014, 12:50
The principle of being able to go back and verify the document.

You ask if you really want to play against someboyd who's going to try and forge a new FAQ document, if he's gone to the trouble of making it official you won't know until afterwards, since there's no place to go verify if it's a new FAQ or not.



As I said, there are people for whom the principle of being able to verify the official content of a document is important.
That it's not important to you, because you feel that you only play against people who wouldn't do such a heinous thing as document forgery in order to get to play a certain way, doesn't change that.

Really though chaps, that principle is rather nonsensical. You can still fish the original documents out of Google's cache fairly easily.

Disagreeing with that doesn't make much sense, it's like a Christian saying that they're not following the teachings of the bible because it's not an original copy, or people not believing that the contents of an encyclopedia are trustworthy. A Google search shows as plain as day where they were cached from and they're still official documents until we're told otherwise.

I don't know if it's because I'm a techie or what, but I can't understand why people would worry about it instead of just getting the FAQs from wherever they can and getting on with the game like it was a week ago.

malisteen
14-04-2014, 12:58
For me it's less that I'm worried someone will make a fake faq, and more that I never memorized them, because they were available online.

Until they're back up, I'm not playing this game, and not buying a thing from them. Even if they're updating other FAQs, there's no reason not to put the existing ones back up in the mean time, and there's no reason doing so should have taken more than a couple hours, let alone a couple days.

Mauler
14-04-2014, 13:06
For me it's less that I'm worried someone will make a fake faq, and more that I never memorized them, because they were available online.

Until they're back up, I'm not playing this game, and not buying a thing from them. Even if they're updating other FAQs, there's no reason not to put the existing ones back up in the mean time, and there's no reason doing so should have taken more than a couple hours, let alone a couple days.

Probably because the small tech team maintaining the website have actual problems to prioritise and fix before they start adding content. That alone can, and usually does take days or weeks. This is Games Workshop we're talking about; they have less than 2,000 employees globally and I suspect that their e-commerce/web-team headcount is less than the fingers on a person's hand, if it's more than one guy.

Why would you not play the game? That's a bit like cutting off your nose, isn't it?

Pssyche
14-04-2014, 13:17
What beats me here are the number of people saying that they accessed the FAQs but haven't saved them.

Whenever I accessed them they automatically downloaded and stored onto whatever device I happened to be using.

That's an HTC Wildfire, HTC Desire (two different ones), HTC One M(8}, Nexus 7 and three different Toshiba Laptops.

Now, I'll accept that I could have accidentally saved something once.
But each and every time across multiple formats and devices?

They're all saved every time in a Download Folder and are accessible through Adobe Reader.

If you've accessed them, you've saved them.

carldooley
14-04-2014, 13:38
Ipods, Iphones, Ipads don't maintain download folders. about the only way that I have ever been able to put a copy on my device was through my itunes program on my computer. and I can tell you why I didn't save a local copy - there are no regular updates, sometimes things change for no reason, and GW doesn't let the community know when there will be an update.

Nubl0
14-04-2014, 14:48
I got all the faqs on my iPad, dunno why people didn't save them in the first place. When people ask I can just get them up in a matter of seconds.

MLP
14-04-2014, 14:50
191369

http://plastickrak.blogspot.co.nz/2014/04/games-workshop-faqs.html?m=1

Mauler
14-04-2014, 15:12
There's no apostrophe in "FAQs". :cries:

Poseidal
14-04-2014, 15:23
Also, random lowercase 'a' in the middle of one of them.

yabbadabba
14-04-2014, 15:38
Core drivers? Dear gods no.

Sephillion
14-04-2014, 16:54
What beats me here are the number of people saying that they accessed the FAQs but haven't saved them.

Whenever I accessed them they automatically downloaded and stored onto whatever device I happened to be using.

That's an HTC Wildfire, HTC Desire (two different ones), HTC One M(8}, Nexus 7 and three different Toshiba Laptops.

Now, I'll accept that I could have accidentally saved something once.
But each and every time across multiple formats and devices?

They're all saved every time in a Download Folder and are accessible through Adobe Reader.

If you've accessed them, you've saved them.

I won’t make a huge fuss over the FAQs, but in my case, I read the FAQs directly online without downloading them. The only one I needed to bring along was Dark Angels, I printed directly from online and never saved it.

No matter what people say, it’s an inconvenience that the FAQs aren’t online anymore if you haven’t saved it/printed it or if something happened to your saved files/printed docs (anything from did not transfer the save files to a new computer to dropped Coke on the printed version). But it’s not the end of the world either.

If they’re not here because they want to update them, or because of an upcoming 7th edition, then it’s a failure of GW to communicate properly.

Eldartank
14-04-2014, 17:07
There's no apostrophe in "FAQs". :cries:

It certainly irritate's and annoy's many individual's to see apostrophe's in word's being misuse'd and abuse'd. It really aggravate's and bother's me. ;)

Theocracity
14-04-2014, 17:10
I wont make a huge fuss over the FAQs, but in my case, I read the FAQs directly online without downloading them. The only one I needed to bring along was Dark Angels, I printed directly from online and never saved it.

No matter what people say, its an inconvenience that the FAQs arent online anymore if you havent saved it/printed it or if something happened to your saved files/printed docs (anything from did not transfer the save files to a new computer to dropped Coke on the printed version). But its not the end of the world either.

If theyre not here because they want to update them, or because of an upcoming 7th edition, then its a failure of GW to communicate properly.

I don't think anyone could argue that it's not an inconvenience, or that GW bears responsibility for it (whatever the cause of their removal is). It certainly is and they certainly do.

But I think it is on us as responsible gamers to not pretend that their absence means that the FAQs never existed, or freak out about whether a saved copy of them might have been altered, or otherwise pretend that it's not an eminently fixable situation for the duration of their absence.

Mauler
14-04-2014, 17:19
It certainly irritate's and annoy's many individual's to see apostrophe's in word's being misuse'd and abuse'd. It really aggravate's and bother's me. ;)


I can feel the old bad twitch returning... :cries:

DoctorTom
14-04-2014, 17:56
Probably because the small tech team maintaining the website have actual problems to prioritise and fix before they start adding content. That alone can, and usually does take days or weeks.

Yes, but usually when a site's updated they have a place established already that the content would be added to, with a note in that area that that portion is still under construction. That is, if they planned on having that material there in the first place. ;)

Theocracity
14-04-2014, 18:04
Yes, but usually when a site's updated they have a place established already that the content would be added to, with a note in that area that that portion is still under construction. That is, if they planned on having that material there in the first place. ;)

That is really not the case. Unless it has a marketing component designed to drive interest, a Coming Soon / Under Construction page is relatively amateur hour stuff from a design perspective. And with modern content management tools it's not a big deal to insert a new link in a navigation drop down for extra content.

Baaltor
14-04-2014, 18:42
But I think it is on us as responsible gamers to not pretend that their absence means that the FAQs never existed, or freak out about whether a saved copy of them might have been altered, or otherwise pretend that it's not an eminently fixable situation for the duration of their absence.

No. Absolute bedlam on the streets. My Ork Boyz are now 6's across the board, and fleet. It was in a FAQ. Chaos reigns. Also I god a new Khorne Codex; it was in a FAQ. Berserkers are now usable. Sitting here drink orange juice in a champagne glass? Hm... this might be alright!


I can feel the old bad twitch returning... :cries:

What's so wrong with that? I'm honestly more annoyed when people don't do that, because it's so difficult to read.

Poseidal
15-04-2014, 00:01
The problem is this:

The FAQ's what? What does the FAQ have, or what is the FAQ?

The bearded one
15-04-2014, 00:22
What the FAQ's a lommy?

Gingerwerewolf
15-04-2014, 10:34
No. Absolute bedlam on the streets. My Ork Boyz are now 6's across the board, and fleet. It was in a FAQ. Chaos reigns. Also I god a new Khorne Codex; it was in a FAQ. Berserkers are now usable. Sitting here drink orange juice in a champagne glass? Hm... this might be alright!

What's so wrong with that? I'm honestly more annoyed when people don't do that, because it's so difficult to read.

Just as a note - compare the tone of this thread (in the 40k Forums) to the Fantasy Thread about missing FAQs (Im guessing that you were being sarcastic)

*shakes his head*

We're going to get new ones. This is a good thing

Until then just use the old ones.

Does anyone know if you would get into trouble for Sharing the old ones? I have all of them saved, even for armeis that I do not have. I would host them, but I dont want to get into trouble!

Baaltor
16-04-2014, 00:28
Just as a note - compare the tone of this thread (in the 40k Forums) to the Fantasy Thread about missing FAQs (Im guessing that you were being sarcastic)

Well, a little sarcastic.... I usually try and blow it way out of proportion so no one could reasonably assume I'm serious. As it happens it's a great way to weed out people who're so insecure that they project their selfloathing onto others; but that's totally unrelated to this.

On a serious note: could you give a summary of what's going on in the Fantasy thread? I'm curious, but too feverish to want to research; plus I think it'd save others some time too.

As to the rest: the only reason this thread's gone beyond one page is because some people, in my humble opinion, take the permissive nature of GW's games too far.

The bearded one
16-04-2014, 01:08
On a serious note: could you give a summary of what's going on in the Fantasy thread? I'm curious, but too feverish to want to research; plus I think it'd save others some time too.

the amount of worry on the fantasy side is so low, the thread only got to 3 pages and hasn't been posted in for nearly 4 days.

Mauler
16-04-2014, 06:51
the amount of worry on the fantasy side is so low, the thread only got to 3 pages and hasn't been posted in for nearly 4 days.

Shocker. lol

NemoSD
16-04-2014, 07:03
Shocker. lol

That is because us fantasy peeps went, "Well, it will get fixed, and we know that because the FAQs are gone, it doesn't mean turn on giant dick mode."

Of course, the more broken fantasy combinations are broken with or without FAQs.

Surgency
16-04-2014, 19:30
That is because us fantasy peeps went, "Well, it will get fixed, and we know that because the FAQs are gone, it doesn't mean turn on giant dick mode."

Sounds like they're just not trying hard enough to win

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Scammel
16-04-2014, 19:33
Or it could be that Fantasy's FAQs aren't the equivalent of it's life support.

Theocracity
16-04-2014, 19:36
Or it could be that Fantasy's FAQs aren't the equivalent of it's life support.

Tell that to Skaven's FAQ opus ;).

Scammel
16-04-2014, 20:12
Tell that to Skaven's FAQ opus ;).

Veeeery true. Is it possible that the reason Skaven players aren't too fussed is because they've already physically stuck it into their books? :p

Gingerwerewolf
17-04-2014, 14:50
And they are back up - unchanged though

http://www.blacklibrary.com/faqs-and-errata.html

So panic over

The Emperor
17-04-2014, 14:56
And they are back up - unchanged though

http://www.blacklibrary.com/faqs-and-errata.html

So panic over

Not all of them.

Marshal
17-04-2014, 15:00
Most of the 6th Ed codecies are not up, only the Chaos Marines and Dark Angels, and Farsight because the 2 rules that were in its codex were written poorly and needed to be changed...

This probably means that the rest of the 6th Ed codecies are getting new FAQ's and that's why they're not there. I'd expect them in the next couple of days or so.

SpanielBear
17-04-2014, 15:04
Not yet. Unless there is a serious suggestion that GW will release a FAQ for the Farsight Enclaves, but callously and with malice-aforethought refuse to release one for Space Marines...

Y'know, for profit. And Lols.

Mandragola
17-04-2014, 15:51
Maybe those are the ones that need updating. I note no chaos daemons, so maybe they are fixing the tzeench chariot... and stuff.

Or maybe they are just being slow. It's nearly the Easter bank holiday, after all.

DoctorTom
17-04-2014, 16:53
Maybe those are the ones that need updating. I note no chaos daemons, so maybe they are fixing the tzeench chariot... and stuff.

Or maybe they are just being slow. It's nearly the Easter bank holiday, after all.

They gave up giving a FAQ for Lent.

Charistoph
17-04-2014, 16:57
They gave up giving a FAQ for Lent.

Funny, I thought they gave up Catholicism for Lent...


Maybe those are the ones that need updating. I note no chaos daemons, so maybe they are fixing the tzeench chariot... and stuff.

Or maybe they are just being slow. It's nearly the Easter bank holiday, after all.

Dark Angels is the youngest codex on the list, aside from the Enclaves. I guess that means that they won't be the versions that were up as of September last year. Heaven knows that there are a few wonky things in C:SM that could use some clarification (like Raven Guard Scout Bikes and Scout).

Marshal
18-04-2014, 13:26
Not yet. Unless there is a serious suggestion that GW will release a FAQ for the Farsight Enclaves

They already released one...it's the same one as before which changes 2 out of the 3 rules in the codex. The only rule left intact was the one about Crisis suits being troops. All other ones (Aun'Va and Shadowsun cannot not be in the army, and the mess with the Eight) were Errata-ed

carldooley
18-04-2014, 14:50
since they are back up, I suppose I can make a joke now. All through these previous posts, I kept thinking of the bishop in Kingdom of Heaven, 'How can we fight, we have no knights!' :57 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X09A4aDA1Hc)

malisteen
18-04-2014, 17:28
since they are back up, I suppose I can make a joke now. All through these previous posts, I kept thinking of the bishop in Kingdom of Heaven, 'How can we fight, we have no knights!' :57 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X09A4aDA1Hc)

Ugh, that movie. Just ugh. I do hope you took the time to look into the actual history.

Surgency
18-04-2014, 17:29
Ugh, that movie. Just ugh. I do hope you took the time to look into the actual history.

Seriously! How dare you watch a movie for entertainment and not for historical accuracy!

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Lord Damocles
18-04-2014, 17:59
Ugh, that movie. Just ugh. I do hope you took the time to look into the actual history.
More like A Knight's Tale, right?

:shifty:

carldooley
19-04-2014, 01:47
More like A Knight's Tale, right?

:shifty:

wish there was a +1. with the Heath Ledger flick, you know that the (reen)actors at least had fun making the movie.