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The French Guy
29-04-2014, 08:54
Hi all!
After a long break, one of my friends would like to play his Dwarfs again.
After reading the Army book, he made a draft anf would like some insights.

As I don't know a lot about Dwarfs, especially their new incarnation, could you help him a bit?
He really want a punchy lord as it's kinda cool and fluffy. Then he is extremely open to suggestion.




LORDS :

Dwarf lord :
Shieldbearers (+2 Save/+2W), Dwarf pistol, Gromril armor,
3 Runes of warding (4++), 2 Runes of iron (+1W/+1T), 1 Rune of stone (+1 Save)
Hand weapon, 1 Rune of might, 1 Rune of speed. 316Pts
M WS BS S T W I A LD
3 7 4 4(8) 6 6 5 5 10 (1+/4++) (+2A at WS5/S4/I3)


HEROES :
Thane (BSB) :
Gromril armor, Shield, Master rune of grungni. 153pts

Runesmith :
Gromril armor, Shield, Rune of stone,
1 Rune of spellbreaking, Fiery ring of thori. 128Pts

Runesmith :
Gromril armor, Shield, Rune of stone,
2 Runes of spellbreaking. 113Pts


CORE :
10 Thunderers : HA, Shield, Musician. 140Pts
10 Thunderers : HA, Shield, Musician. 140Pts
30 Longbeards :GW, HA, Shield, Musician, Banner. 470Pts


SPECIAL :
Cannon : Rune of forging. 145pts
Cannon : Rune of forging, Rune of burning. 150pts
20 Hammerers : GW, HA, Shield, Musician, Banner. 320Pts
20 Ironbreakers : HW, Gromril armor, Shield, Musician, Banner. 300Pts


RARE :
10 Irondrakes : Musician. 160pts
Organ gun : Rune of accuracy. 145pts
Organ gun : Rune of accuracy, Rune of burning. 150pts
10 Rangers : HA, Shield, GW, throwing axe, Crossbow. 150pts


TOTAL : 2 980pts

ashe
29-04-2014, 12:01
that's one soft dwarf list and units of 20 tend to be too small for 3k game. convert the rangers into irondrakes and drop the hammerers or ironbrakers from the list and increase the remaining unit size to at least 30 drop one organ gun too, and with the remaining points get some Gyrocopters they are one of the most effective units in your arsenal and are must take for 8th edition dwarves.

The French Guy
29-04-2014, 15:10
Ok, how about that:

Dropping the 2 spellbreaking Runesmith, the Irondrakes and Organ gun (2 Runes one) ==> 443pts
To get: 10 more Hammerers, 6 more Ironbreakers (all characters here), 1 Vanguard Gyrocopter, 2 Bolt throwers. ==> 444pts


What do you think?

ashe
29-04-2014, 21:35
sounds awesome :) i would advice against putting all heroes in the same unit because it would make it a target for spells & artillery, if you fell like you need the extra boost in combat, you can simply move your heroes to the unit that needs them the most in the turn before you charge or receive charges. I still think the rangers are a waste of points and have very few super situational uses versus only a few armies for the majority they are free points, yes rangers could be awesome in dwarf ambush bomber list, but in the current one they are just a waste of points. (I myself am and elf player and the idea of wasting points on a unit with no purpose in the army seems like a waste.). Overall the list is very solid, and should do good against nearly any army.

russellmoo
30-04-2014, 04:54
I would leave the runesmith just take a rune of stone, shield and a single rune of spellbreaking. You can drop the bolt throwers (which are not very good) to get the points.

The French Guy
30-04-2014, 09:15
Ok, so here it is, but I didn't add the Bolt throwers.

He still has 118pts to play with and those are the main options that came up:
* 2 Bolt throwers + 8pts.
* Master rune of Valaya on Hammerers + 2 Runes of slowness on the Ironbreakers.
* 2nd Gyrocopter + 38pts.
* Add a unit of 10 Miners or 10 Slayers/ or a Cannon - Organ gun/ or a cheap Runesmith - Thane.

Favorite options so far are the Bolt throwers or the 2 Runic banners.
What do you think?



LORDS :

Dwarf lord :
Shieldbearers (+2 Save/+2W), Dwarf pistol, Gromril armor,
3 Runes of warding (4++), 2 Runes of iron (+1W/+1T), 1 Rune of stone (+1 Save)
Hand weapon, 1 Rune of might, 1 Rune of speed. 316Pts
M WS BS S T W I A LD
3 7 4 4(8) 6 6 5 5 10 (1+/4++) (+2A at WS5/S4/I3)


HEROES :
Thane (BSB) :
Gromril armor, Shield, Master rune of grungni. 153pts

Runesmith :
Gromril armor, Shield, Rune of stone,
1 Rune of spellbreaking, Fiery ring of thori. 128Pts


CORE :
10 Thunderers : HA, Shield, Musician. 140Pts
10 Thunderers : HA, Shield, Musician. 140Pts
30 Longbeards :GW, HA, Shield, Musician, Banner. 470Pts


SPECIAL :
1 Gyrocopter: Vanguard. 100pts
Cannon : Rune of forging. 145pts
Cannon : Rune of forging, Rune of burning. 150pts
30 Hammerers : GW, HA, Shield, Musician, Banner. 470Pts
26 Ironbreakers : HW, Gromril armor, Shield, Musician, Banner. 384Pts


RARE :
Organ gun : Rune of accuracy. 145pts
10 Rangers : HA, Shield, GW, throwing axe, Crossbow. 150pts


TOTAL : 2 882pts

The French Guy
30-04-2014, 09:18
@Ashe:
Regarding the Rangers, we thought it would be an interesting unit as it is a solid Scout team, solid and able to dish out some damage both at range and HtH.
Sure it's not a unit able to go through blocks but still a problem for chaffs and warmachines.
Why do you think they are a waste of pts?
They could easily be turned into Irondrakes or something else.

ashe
30-04-2014, 15:59
if you want them as scouts use them as units of 5 they could still clear most chaff units and hunt war machines in general gyros are way better in both jobs. :)
ok let me give you few examples since the dwarves are one of th slowest armies in the game the rangers are more or less on their own on ether flank if they are in a unit of 10 they can kill eagles and stuff but what happens if you have to fight a unit of 7 swordmasters or lion chariots. If you use them as two units you can double flee, or use them as redirectors for some nasty stuff, which you will face in every game 2500pts+, it doesn't matter if it is going to be a horde of savage orcs horde or 40-50 white lions with the banner of the world dragon, if you use the 150 pts unit to redirect them it would do the job but that is still too much free points, not to mention that if you had two smaller units you can try redirecting the death star twice, and give yourself more time to prepare for the unit or reduce its size before it hits your main units. I know dwarves are one of the top CC armies in warhammer but even for them redirecting is essential strategy to ensure your wins.
PS: Grap the cheap spellbreaking runesmith you need the spell defense in big games, it would have been nice to have at least one more gyrocopter, but i guess 3 redirecting /warmachine hunting units will have to do assuming you will split the rangers in units of 5.

The French Guy
01-05-2014, 09:05
Hmm, dropping 5 rangers would give 193pts to play with, could be 2 additional Gyrocopters (1 Vanguard) and 13pts.
Or the 2 Runes of spellbreaking Runesmith and 1 regular Gyrocopter.

The French Guy
02-05-2014, 09:19
So, here it is, seems pretty interesting.
We are still thinking about where to put the second Runesmith, Longbeards or Hammerers to give another unit Armor piercing.

Another option would be to get 30 Ironbreakers and deploy all the characters, going for 5 ranks of 7, with a character wall + Musician/Banner in the front.
Ironbreakers will be the center of the line, flanked by GW units (Hammerers and Longbeards).
Gyros and Rangers will go hunting.
Cannons and Thunderers deploy on the flanks and behind the 3 frontline units.
What do you think?



LORDS :

Dwarf lord :
Shieldbearers (+2 Save/+2W), Dwarf pistol, Gromril armor,
3 Runes of warding (4++), 2 Runes of iron (+1W/+1T), 1 Rune of stone (+1 Save)
Hand weapon, 1 Rune of might, 1 Rune of speed. 316Pts
M WS BS S T W I A LD
3 7 4 4(8) 6 6 5 5 10 (1+/4++) (+2A at WS5/S4/I3)


HEROES :
Thane (BSB) :
Gromril armor, Shield, Master rune of grungni. 153pts

Runesmith :
Gromril armor, Shield, Rune of stone,
1 Rune of spellbreaking, Fiery ring of thori. 128Pts

Runesmith :
Gromril armor, Shield, Rune of stone,
2 Runes of spellbreaking. 113Pts


CORE :
10 Thunderers : HA, Shield, Musician. 140Pts
10 Thunderers : HA, Shield, Musician. 140Pts
30 Longbeards :GW, HA, Shield, Musician, Banner. 470Pts


SPECIAL :
1 Gyrocopter: Vanguard. 100pts
1 Gyrocopter. 80pts
Cannon : Rune of forging. 145pts
Cannon : Rune of forging, Rune of burning. 150pts
30 Hammerers : GW, HA, Shield, Musician, Banner. 470Pts
26 Ironbreakers : HW, Gromril armor, Shield, Musician, Banner. 384Pts


RARE :
Organ gun : Rune of accuracy. 145pts
5 Rangers : HA, Shield, GW, throwing axe, Crossbow. 75pts


TOTAL : 3 000pts

ashe
03-05-2014, 02:43
I personally like the final version of the list, and i think your friend will do well with it once he gets use to the army :)