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Buddha777
08-09-2014, 02:47
So I'm returning to Fantasy after dabbling a while ago and want to give empire a try. I have this idea for a Nippon themed list but I don't want to get steamrolled in a match either so please rip it apart and let me know what I can improve upon. Still have points to play around with as well.

Lord: 198
Arch Lector (198): warhorse, great weapon, AoMI, Dawnstone

Heroes: 144
Warrior Priest (72): Heavy Armor, Great Weapon
Warrior Priest (72): Heavy Armor, Great Weapon

Core: 500
5 Knights (120): Great Weapons, Musician
5 Knights (120): Great Weapons, Musician
9 Inner Circle Knights (260): Great Weapons, FC, Gleaming Pendant

Special: 838
29 Greatswords (419): FC
5 Archers
5 Archers
29 Greatswords (419): FC
5 Archers
5 Archers

Rare: 250
Steam Tank (250)

Total: 1930

EvanM
08-09-2014, 19:28
1. with empire a BSB is a must
2. a level 4 is sorely missed if you do not have one. it makes your army significantly easier to kill with magic and everyone has magic
3. a unit of 30 greatswords gets chewed through so insanely fast. they are an overcosted unit and should be priced about 9 pts.

even so, a unit of 40 in a horde is the only way to go with them. perhaps combine those units to give you 50 of them, drop a WP for a BSB on foot. you probably dont need THAT many archer units, 2 units of 5 as chaff, then a unit of 10 non detachment as a bunker for your lvl 4 (which you should have) is almost a must

steam tank is golden.

most people thing great weapon knights are bad because you lose a point of armor for not having the shield. if you go lances its better.

also without much shooting you probably dont need the knights split up into units of 5, what id do is use archers as chaff for your infantry block, then run one unit of knights with 10 guys vanilla and GWs, then the 9 inner circle should have lances but if not its okay.

also a hurricanum is insanely good for infantry buffing if you get one.

if you take a wizard, go lvl4 lore of metal to try to get glittering robe on your greatswords, that or lore of light or lore of heavens.

freezepunk
08-09-2014, 19:45
those warrior priests haven't got much protection, sigmar cries everytime one of them dies

EvanM
08-09-2014, 23:15
those warrior priests haven't got much protection, sigmar cries everytime one of them dies

that just made me think of buff sigmar shedding a tear while holding a straight face lol haha

Buddha777
09-09-2014, 01:08
That was immensely helpful, thank you both for the comments. I've made an edited list below for your consideration. I still can't seem to find points for a Wizard (hero or lord level). That mandatory 25% in core is crushing.

Lord: 180
Arch Lector (180): Great Weapon, AoMI, Dawnstone

Heroes: 190
Captain (96): BSB, Full Plate, Enchanted Shield
Warrior Priest (94): Warhorse, Heavy Armor, Great Weapon, Dragonhelm

Core: 520
10 Archers (70)
10 Archers (70)
14 Inner Circle Knights (380): Great Weapons, FC

Special: 858
48 Greatswords (858): FC
25 Halberdiers
25 Halberdiers

Rare: 250
Steam Tank (250)

Total: 1998

EvanM
09-09-2014, 02:31
that list is perfect. sure it doesnt have a cannon but you have a steamtank. hope you have fun with this list! good one to build off of for 2.5k

Rudra34
09-09-2014, 04:30
With the archers, consider taking one unit of 10 with two detachments of 5. It gives you more mobility, and the units of 5 make GREAT frenzy bait and redirectors for your army.

Not having magic is definitely going to hurt. Give the list a couple tries as it is and then evaluate whether or not you can live without it. When looking for points, I'd drop the greatswords to 40, the halberd units to 20, and lose a unit of archers. Lore of light or lore of shadow would be fantastic for this list. Again, it's your call!!

Jind_Singh
16-09-2014, 16:08
It's a great list for 2k and I also agree with making the archers a 10 man with 2 detachments of 5

Sure you don't have magic but ultimately who cares?!

We have all played games here our caster miscasts and dies turn 1 - yet it's not auto-lose! (Unless it's like VC main caster or TK or a Slaan!)

Jind_Singh
16-09-2014, 16:10
You will have more fun with the Steam Tank but if it's killing you want to do consider 2 cannons instead - those puppies make shirt work of large targets!

In still advocating the Steam tank as it has the most important special rule of all...


The rule of cool!

Buddha777
17-09-2014, 02:29
Again, thank you for the comments. I could run the list like this:

Lord: 320
Arch Lector (155): Great Weapon, AoMI
Wizard Lord (165): LVL 3

Heroes: 229
Captain (96): BSB, Full Plate, Enchanted Shield
Warrior Priest (133): Barded Warhorse, Heavy Armor, Great Weapon, Dragonhelm, Crown of Command

Core: 520
10 Archers (140):
5 Archers
5 Archers
14 Inner Circle Knights (380): Great Weapons, FC

Special: 928
38 Greatswords (688): FC
20 Halberdiers
20 Halberdiers
Great Cannon (120)
Great Cannon (120)

Total: 1997

It's got the inner circle hammer but I worry it doesn't hit hard enough. Thoughts?