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RagingHobo
12-09-2014, 16:25
Hello Internet,

I'm coming back to the game after a 5 year 40k hiatus. I'm planning on rebuilding my dwarf and wood elf army's I have about 1000 points of each on hand after moving continents.

In my new country I've come across a great place where I can play a tournament and win decent prizes. So with that in mind I'm looking to build a competitive army of each. So my question is how are dwarfs and wood elves these days in a competitive setting and what do you think I should start with?

Spiney Norman
12-09-2014, 16:32
Hello Internet,

I'm coming back to the game after a 5 year 40k hiatus. I'm planning on rebuilding my dwarf and wood elf army's I have about 1000 points of each on hand after moving continents.

In my new country I've come across a great place where I can play a tournament and win decent prizes. So with that in mind I'm looking to build a competitive army of each. So my question is how are dwarfs and wood elves these days in a competitive setting and what do you think I should start with?

I'm a little biased as a wood elf player, but I play against dwarfs quite a bit.
Dwarfs haven't changed much at all over the last two-three army books, you could probably pick them up again quite easily. Cannons are still incredibly powerful and the gun line is still a feared setup, its just about the only trick dwarfs have up their sleeves.

Wood elves have changed quite a lot with their new book, I would say they're probably the more competitive of the two, in fact if you play them correctly they are one of the most competitive armies in the game.

Folomo
12-09-2014, 17:55
It will depend on how you win said tournaments. If they are by how many VP you get per game, then WE have a pretty hard time.
If you win by just getting victories/massacres, then they are a strong option.
Also, if they use scenarios, that is detrimental for WE.
WE isn't an army that wipes the opposing army. They win by a small margin of points while giving almost none.

RagingHobo
12-09-2014, 18:15
I find the wood elf tactics much more interesting but I have 1000 of them compared to 2000 points of dwarfs. What type of builds do you guys use? I'd be really interested in running an MSU style list.

EvanM
12-09-2014, 18:17
dwarves are very easy to learn to play. mostly you build your army list, shoot stuff, and then charge and hope to win. id rebuild them first because you are closer to the usual 2500 or 2400 pts standard sized lists for tournaments.

Dark Elf
12-09-2014, 18:36
One of my friends recently completed his dwarves, he was in the same position as you are. A long break and then when the armybook got out, he returned to them.

Now idk too much about them, but almost everything seems to be a viable choice. Want to engage in hth? Put some runes on your unit and you're good. Just watch your flanks.
Want to shoot enemy into oblivion? You can do that too.

IDK what models you have but it shouldn't be to difficult to finish them.
As for what should your next steps be I reccomend going to the dwarf tactica and doing some research and asking.

My advice is going for the dwarves first and after that we if you're up for it.

RagingHobo
13-09-2014, 08:44
I'm interested in finding out more about the wood elves now that I know they are competitive.

If I was to go down that route I have 20 odd archer/scouts a unit of war dancers and way watchers. What else should I get to round out my army?

Spiney Norman
13-09-2014, 18:35
I find the wood elf tactics much more interesting but I have 1000 of them compared to 2000 points of dwarfs. What type of builds do you guys use? I'd be really interested in running an MSU style list.

Generally the best way to play wood elves is lots of small skirmish and light cavalry units. Probably the only ranked units you will use will be 10 strong Glade Guard units, then max out on Waywatchers, glade riders and scouts. Wild riders are an excellent glass hammer and the sisters of the thorn make useful escorts for mounted mages.

Eagles are good as before, eternal guard are better than they used to be, but still have the problem that they don't really fit in the playstyle of the rest of the army. The new wild wood rangers are interesting, but unfortunately have the same problem as the eternal guard.

All the tree units got nerfed in one way or another, except the treeman ancient who got made into a wizard, but tbh he's too much of a risk to be bringing to most games as the first cannon that looks in his direction will reduce him to a heap of cinders.

Fle
13-09-2014, 20:20
Dwarfs have great models, look fantastic all painted up and arrayed for battle. They also have a lot of character, which draws me to them.

However...as much as I like my Dwarf army, and Dwarfs in general, they can be a bit boring. I often envy watching my regular opponents roll on their magic lores at the beginning of the game, and then get up to all sorts of shenanigans in the ensuing magic phases. For this reason, I'd recommend you pick your Wood Elves up first, the magic phase is just too much fun to miss out on IMO.