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Conrad Gray
02-12-2014, 04:53
The Laughing God is the only non-Chaos-corrupted Eldar deity to have escaped intact and with potency. He and his followers maintain an active stance against Chaos. He even intervenes on behalf of his followers. In some ways I am reminded of Nodens in the Call of Cthulhu RPG setting. So should non-Eldar races pay any homage to him?

Scribe of Khorne
02-12-2014, 05:51
Why would they when he is so completely pro-Eldar, who are so completely anti-anythingnoteldar?

Further, is it non-Chaos, or a facet of Tzeentch? ;)

ManOfRust
02-12-2014, 08:06
The Laughing God may have escaped the Fall intact with his full faculties, but if he did it was through avoiding direct confrontation - how worthy that is of respect is one's own opinion.

Human mythology is full of trickster gods and spirits (Anansi, Loki, Reynard-Fox and Brer Rabbit/Bugs Bunny to name a few) and only a tiny number of those are consistently benevolent, most have good turns and flat out nasty turns, attracting awe rather than worship. Humans and other aliens seeking protection or patronage from the Laughing God would probably be more likely to receive an unpleasant death in the Webway.

Most likely it is just ignorance keeping the Laughing God from being more widely respected outside of the Harlequins. The few humans who ever learn of the Fall in detail seem more likely to empathise with him than Khaine, the other Eldar 'survivor'. Inquisitor Czevak is probably the human who has spent the most time in the Black Library and he even wanders around in an Eldar holo-jacket!

Hendarion
03-12-2014, 04:52
Further, is it non-Chaos, or a facet of Tzeentch? ;)It is non-Chaos as much as that is possible with Warp-deities. He's clearly not a facet of Tzeentch though. He is neither up to change, nor to magic.


The Laughing God may have escaped the Fall intact with his full faculties, but if he did it was through avoiding direct confrontation - how worthy that is of respect is one's own opinion.He not only may, he did.

Conrad Gray
03-12-2014, 06:36
I guess the existence of a powerful entity that isn't actively trying to wipe out all other species and races or do terrible things to them in WH40K is pretty remarkable to me. But on the other hand, I guess the Laughing God fits the bill only because he's the patron for a very small sub-sect of a devastated race. And all his use for those outside of his followers are as pawns for his mad schemes. Again, similar to Nodens and the Elder Gods in the Cthulhu RPG settings.

TheRiverTrollKing
03-12-2014, 11:15
The Laughing God may have escaped the Fall intact with his full faculties, but if he did it was through avoiding direct confrontation - how worthy that is of respect is one's own opinion.

Human mythology is full of trickster gods and spirits (Anansi, Loki, Reynard-Fox and Brer Rabbit/Bugs Bunny to name a few) and only a tiny number of those are consistently benevolent, most have good turns and flat out nasty turns, attracting awe rather than worship. Humans and other aliens seeking protection or patronage from the Laughing God would probably be more likely to receive an unpleasant death in the Webway.

Most likely it is just ignorance keeping the Laughing God from being more widely respected outside of the Harlequins. The few humans who ever learn of the Fall in detail seem more likely to empathise with him than Khaine, the other Eldar 'survivor'. Inquisitor Czevak is probably the human who has spent the most time in the Black Library and he even wanders around in an Eldar holo-jacket!

All hail Bugs Bunny!

Horus38
03-12-2014, 13:12
I suspect the Harlequins will contact those non-eldar individuals who will be useful/serve a purpose in their agendas and that's probably about the extent of the contact/knowledge they prefer.

Grndhog89
07-12-2014, 05:20
You all are forgetting Isha is a 'survivor' as well. Just because she is imprisoned by Nurgle doesn't mean she isn't intact.

Lord Damocles
07-12-2014, 13:49
You all are forgetting Isha is a 'survivor' as well. Just because she is imprisoned by Nurgle doesn't mean she isn't intact.
According to an Eldar legend.

Just because there's a story doesn't mean its necessarily true.

Askil the Undecided
07-12-2014, 23:49
The Laughing God is a manifestation of the capricious and manipulative Eldar psyche

As such it has a reflection of the Eldar cultural attitudes and prejudices that make them innately incapable of regarding humans as anything but idiotic animals.

Basically. Yeah all shrewd survivors and psychotic pranksters are free to respect the great Harlequin but unless you are an Eldar he doesn't regard you as much more than a prop.

TheMartyr451
08-12-2014, 00:43
Some good points made here already, but also the Eldar tend to be fairly isolationist. As such, I doubt there aren't a whole lot of outsiders that know much about their mythos, if at all.

ManOfRust
08-12-2014, 08:05
Whilst it's true that the number of Eldar willing to discuss comparative theology with a human could be counted on the remaining fingers of a cultist plasma-gunner, once the knowledge has passed to a relatively learned Monkeigh is it perhaps more likely that the creed could make itself more widely known?

I don't think the best-sellers in the Waterstones of the 42nd millennium will include The Book of Czevak (Inquisition approved! 4 & a 1/2 bloody-chainswords out of 5!) but if Sebastian Thor can come from obscurity (in REALLY bad circumstances) is it possible that a progressive version of the Imperial Cult could include subversive elements of worship of The Laughing God?

Is it also possible that this has already happened?

Razios
09-12-2014, 22:17
the harlequins are the most near thing the eldar have to an inquisition: a gruop of people who are willing to fight the thread of the galaxy and dosent care about factions, so that is why the rest could respect them....kinda

Askil the Undecided
10-12-2014, 06:13
The laughing god is an Eldar god if yourears aren`tpointyand you movements aren`t hauntingly beautiful you are mon-keigh (literal translation: a mindless beast worthy of extermination.)

Rspect him and his harlequins all you want for their guidingmotives but the fact remains. They are the most inscrutable, ruthless and treacherous members of a race of capricious and unknowable aliens who do things so cruel and vicious we wouldn`t even consider them in the name of survival.

Peoplelike to think of the Eldar as the good guys but remeber that theirwar with chaos has cost them dearly their god of mercy and healing was swallowed by despair and disease, their god of craftsmanship crippled and enslaved, the god of warfare and martial prowess was beaten, cast down from the heavens and shattered into a hundred mindless beings of avenging fury.

Now consider that all gods of the warp are reflections of their race: the eldar lost their hope to despair, their craft to tragedy and their sense of honour in combat to raging fury. Only their amoral trickster god of deceit,mischief and cruel irony survived intact. That is the state of the Eldar psyche as reflected by the warp.

Conrad Gray
10-12-2014, 19:19
is it possible that a progressive version of the Imperial Cult could include subversive elements of worship of The Laughing God?

I actually wasn't thinking of good Imperials directly worshipping Cegorach (though I suppose maybe isolated cults could exist in borderworld backwater places), more like, would any non-Eldars want to seek his favor, given his survivor status. Having a god on your side would be good when you make war on daemons.