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Deus Mechanicus
26-12-2014, 23:23
I'm looking for some wall decoration in my new apartment, are there any webshops out there that sells replica Bolters?

kamedake88
27-12-2014, 00:58
To my knowledge no. Everything I've seen online has been DIY with varying results. A quick Google I'm sure will yield at least a few resources on how to build your own be it out of wood, fiberglass etc. There was a man a while back who made one out of spare carbon fiber left over from his car customization business. I'm also sure you could hire one of these people to build one for you like Demski-Bowden did a while back.

Clang
27-12-2014, 01:45
I'm surprised there are no official bolters - they'd sell pretty well both as 'decorations' and as costume accessories. GW would need to subcontract the job - neither they or Forgeworld are set up to produce such a thing - but there are plenty of specialist manufacturers who make fake guns.

R.D.
27-12-2014, 05:58
Not really. GW would probably go into copyright clamp mode if someone did and they themselves don't seem interested. Keep in mind that bolters aren't really meant for 'human' scale and their somewhat cartoonish shape makes them look a bit awkward to hold to me.

Wolf Lord Balrog
27-12-2014, 06:53
Not really. GW ... they themselves don't seem interested.

This is the main problem. GW management is very unimaginative and don't know how to diversify their business. If somebody came to them with 1 Million Pounds and good-looking business plan, they would license it out, but that doesn't seem likely, and they wouldn't sell it in their own stores in any event.

Wolf Lord Balrog
27-12-2014, 06:53
Not really. GW ... they themselves don't seem interested.

This is the main problem. GW management is very unimaginative and don't know how to diversify their business. If somebody came to them with 1 Million Pounds and a good-looking business plan, they would license it out. That doesn't seem likely though, and they wouldn't sell it in their own stores in any event.

Tuborg
28-12-2014, 02:39
This is the main problem. GW management is very unimaginative

it isnt cost effective for them to design, mold and make a replica bolter.

I am sure there have been times where they have gone about making a run of them and it just works out to be too expensive.

though they are unimaginative when it comes to outsourcing it. They would rather make 100% of nothing than 30% of 200

Commissar_42
30-12-2014, 00:01
though they are unimaginative when it comes to outsourcing it. They would rather make 100% of nothing than 30% of 200
I assume they would say yes if someone offered. They're happy for crappy f2p games based on their licence, I'm sure they wouldn't mind a bit of merc.

Tuborg
30-12-2014, 04:05
I assume they would say yes if someone offered. They're happy for crappy f2p games based on their licence, I'm sure they wouldn't mind a bit of merc.

like i said.. they are unimaginative when it comes to outsourcing.

If someone offers they will do it, but will clamp down heavily with lawsuits if someone does it without asking

Commissar_42
30-12-2014, 11:55
like i said.. they are unimaginative when it comes to outsourcing.

If someone offers they will do it, but will clamp down heavily with lawsuits if someone does it without asking
How is it "unimaginative" if it's got bugger all to do with their core business? A single guy in a single thread does not mean that there is sufficient demand for this.

theunwantedbeing
30-12-2014, 14:29
How is it "unimaginative" if it's got bugger all to do with their core business? A single guy in a single thread does not mean that there is sufficient demand for this.

Sure it does.
OP is best off just making their own, do a cardboard mock up.

Or buy a big poster of one.

Tuborg
30-12-2014, 14:31
How is it "unimaginative" if it's got bugger all to do with their core business? A single guy in a single thread does not mean that there is sufficient demand for this.

lets say GW comes out next week to celebrate New Year, they were releasing a limited run on replica bolters. It would sell out, as there are a lot of people who would like one, they just arent necessarily posting on warseer.


As i said elseswhere to others, don't make assumptions.

Konovalev
30-12-2014, 17:18
lets say GW comes out next week to celebrate New Year, they were releasing a limited run on replica bolters. It would sell out, as there are a lot of people who would like one, they just arent necessarily posting on warseer.


As i said elseswhere to others, don't make assumptions.

Just like their flamer air brush right? :rolleyes:

Tuborg
30-12-2014, 19:18
Just like their flamer air brush right? :rolleyes:

the difference here is that the air brush is something that people wanted.

While it isnt as good as professional air brushes, it does its job.


What it isn't, and this is where it differs, is that it was limited release and purely cosmetic. Are you honestly telling me that if you could buy a replica bolter that limited to say 1000 worldwide, it wouldnt sell out?

ehlijen
30-12-2014, 23:44
The problem with the handflamer was that it was
a) pointlessly expensive for the cheapest, least capable type of airbrush (most hobby companies produce that type only as an absolute beginner entry model)
b) based on a far less iconic weapon than a boltgun would be
c) flawed in design, requiring a recall soon after release
d) not even a terribly good replica of what it was supposed to be

If they made a limited run of a decent looking replica bolter that wasn't trying to badly imitate some tool's job, yes, they'd sell out almost immediately. Not necessarily because people want them, but more likely because ebay scalpers seem to be one of GW's core target audiences these days :(

Bigglesworth
31-12-2014, 00:19
There might be issues around making and selling Imitation firearms or Realistic Imitation firearms in the UK, ok the bolter looks nothing like a existing gun, especially with Marine proportions, but there could be issues, a quick search seems to confirm you can't buy much in the UK thats not bright orange or two tone, even storm trooper blaster toys seem to be half white now. Also GW makes toy soldiers, not trivial things like T-shirts and merchandise... I mean when has that ever made money?

Then again if a Judge Dredd Pistol is ok a bolter probably passes whatever criteria there are. http://webshop.planetreplicas.com/epages/es140885.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/es140885/Products/PR_REPLICA_003

But mainly I question the demand beyond super hardcore fans. And I'd say within the same community, at least in the UK Judge Dredd's Lawgiver is probably at the very least Equally Iconic, and they don't seem to have sold out the run yet.

static grass
31-12-2014, 10:46
The replica firearms issue might be what's holding GW back but then again there is plenty of other stuff they could do like chainswords :) but as you joke GW doesn't see the value in merchandise. This is not surprising as GW is a manufacturer not a retailer.

Bigglesworth
31-12-2014, 11:50
The replica firearms issue might be what's holding GW back but then again there is plenty of other stuff they could do like chainswords :) but as you joke GW doesn't see the value in merchandise. This is not surprising as GW is a manufacturer not a retailer.

Well I could see a novelty Foam chainsword selling if they ever went with merchandise, would be safe for the childr... grown ups to wack each other with

Beppo1234
31-12-2014, 12:54
to be honest, I have a problem with people who display weapons, fictional or otherwise

Thirdeye
31-12-2014, 16:16
I always thought GW should team-up with NERF to a Nerf Bolter and Bolt pistol. They could also do a Shuriken and Shuriken pistol. NERF already makes guns that fires Nerf disks.

I also remember seeing an official GW chainsword replica. Andy Chambers had one in his office.

Polaria
31-12-2014, 16:28
to be honest, I have a problem with people who display weapons, fictional or otherwise

Why?



I also remember seeing an official GW chainsword replica. Andy Chambers had one in his office.

I believe they made a couple of official GW chainsword replicas and handed them out as prizes in some competition. Golden Deamon maybe?

Beppo1234
31-12-2014, 16:53
Why?






always leads to some idiot wielding them dangerously... especially swords!

Konovalev
31-12-2014, 17:22
Are you honestly telling me that if you could buy a replica bolter that limited to say 1000 worldwide, it wouldnt sell out?

That's not the question. The question is, what would it take to produce a replica bolter that was profitable.

Will 1000 be enough to make money from it? You have to consider the cost of creating the moulds for the thing, shipping/transit costs, storage space, etc. A space marine scale bolter would be fairly large.

And how will it be put together? Will it be a kit you have to glue, build and paint, or pre-built to some degree(if so will it be prepainted)? Prebuilt/snap-fit would see a wider potential audience because then even non-modelers might buy one but this means a larger box and can result in a product that looks like a cheap toy (like the flamer airbrush).


Also it's worth mentioning that the complainers would complain per usual, this time citing that GW is "selling out" and how this will spell the financial doom of the company/sense offending/pandering to children/a sign of incompetent management etc. Difference being now you have a replica fire arm, so you're also going to draw the attentions of the complainers who complain about the shoulder thing that goes up, muzzle shrouds, assault clips, etc, who are far louder, and numerous in number.

Thirdeye
31-12-2014, 18:36
That's not the question. The question is, what would it take to produce a replica bolter that was profitable.

Will 1000 be enough to make money from it? You have to consider the cost of creating the moulds for the thing, shipping/transit costs, storage space, etc.

Do it in conjunction with NERF and it wouldn't take much. Have you seen the new NERF guns. Pretty sweet stuff, with clips and motor drives. They could easily fit the NERF fire-mechanism in a cool molded Bolter or Bolt pistol. It could be made with interchagable name or I.D. plates, so you could have the iconography of your favorite chapter. GW could sell separate purity seals and I.D. plates.


A space marine scale bolter would be fairly large.

It would be a smaller version, a SOB or Necromunda gang version.



Also it's worth mentioning that the complainers would complain per usual, this time citing that GW is "selling out" and how this will spell the financial doom of the company/sense offending/pandering to children/a sign of incompetent management etc. Difference being now you have a replica fire arm, so you're also going to draw the attentions of the complainers who complain about the shoulder thing that goes up, muzzle shrouds, assault clips, etc, who are far louder, and numerous in number.

Like I care. I want it because its cool. And so do you.

Bigglesworth
31-12-2014, 21:02
always leads to some idiot wielding them dangerously... especially swords!

I was going to disagree with you, but I have a friend with a internet order Katana who would always threaten to have a practice session whenever I was round... ;)

Swords should be welded onto their display stand like the ones in the first pirates of the Caribbean

Beppo1234
31-12-2014, 21:08
I was going to disagree with you, but I have a friend with a internet order Katana who would always threaten to have a practice session whenever I was round... ;)

Swords should be welded onto their display stand like the ones in the first pirates of the Caribbean

I had the same friend... and another who accessed his father's antiques in a drunken rage and you know that didn't go well.

ehlijen
31-12-2014, 22:57
Do it in conjunction with NERF and it wouldn't take much. Have you seen the new NERF guns. Pretty sweet stuff, with clips and motor drives. They could easily fit the NERF fire-mechanism in a cool molded Bolter or Bolt pistol. It could be made with interchagable name or I.D. plates, so you could have the iconography of your favorite chapter. GW could sell separate purity seals and I.D. plates.



GW won't do that. They don't like sharing the copyrights with anyone anymore.

Hrw-Amen
01-01-2015, 00:46
There are a couple I made a few years back that i have posted in the gallery. They are simply made from cardboard and painted. they are life size and yes they are a little big to handle. I am 6 foot, 2 inches tall and they still look big. I guess you could make smaller ones. They did take quite a while to make as well. I also have a chain axe that I've got some pictures of in the gallery somewhere again made from cardboard. (Apart from the handle which is a broom handle.)

http://www.warseer.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=3616&title=space-marines-imperial&cat=500

Beppo1234
01-01-2015, 13:04
Do it in conjunction with NERF and it wouldn't take much. Have you seen the new NERF guns. Pretty sweet stuff, with clips and motor drives. They could easily fit the NERF fire-mechanism in a cool molded Bolter or Bolt pistol. It could be made with interchagable name or I.D. plates, so you could have the iconography of your favorite chapter. GW could sell separate purity seals and I.D. plates.


Nerf and this hobby put together is a recipe for disaster. Fragile miniatures vs. projectile bits of foam is just a terrible idea...

also, there is a time when IPs make the cross-over into mainstream toy production. When Disney's WH40k, the live action movie, targeted at 14 year olds is released, then 40k mainstream toys will become a reality.

Commissar_42
01-01-2015, 14:03
That's not the question. The question is, what would it take to produce a replica bolter that was profitable.

Will 1000 be enough to make money from it? You have to consider the cost of creating the moulds for the thing, shipping/transit costs, storage space, etc. A space marine scale bolter would be fairly large.

And how will it be put together? Will it be a kit you have to glue, build and paint, or pre-built to some degree(if so will it be prepainted)? Prebuilt/snap-fit would see a wider potential audience because then even non-modelers might buy one but this means a larger box and can result in a product that looks like a cheap toy (like the flamer airbrush).


Also it's worth mentioning that the complainers would complain per usual, this time citing that GW is "selling out" and how this will spell the financial doom of the company/sense offending/pandering to children/a sign of incompetent management etc. Difference being now you have a replica fire arm, so you're also going to draw the attentions of the complainers who complain about the shoulder thing that goes up, muzzle shrouds, assault clips, etc, who are far louder, and numerous in number.
Not to mention that it's unfair to compare "selling a bolter at games day" to "not selling anything at all on games day". It'd be fairer to compare the opportunity cost vs something that GW already actually make, i.e. models. Either an existing model, or a limited edition model - either would be waaaaaaaay cheaper and easier to produce, have higher margins, and be a lot easier to sell.

Menthak
02-01-2015, 18:09
Make one yourself out of an airsoft gun and some decent foam-board/plastic sheets/wood similar to the pulse rifle from Aliens.


I always thought GW should team-up with NERF to a Nerf Bolter and Bolt pistol. They could also do a Shuriken and Shuriken pistol. NERF already makes guns that fires Nerf disks.

I also remember seeing an official GW chainsword replica. Andy Chambers had one in his office.

Might be from one of those Warhammer films/clips like the ones in Liberation?


to be honest, I have a problem with people who display weapons, fictional or otherwise

I'm curious, why?

Freak Ona Leash
02-01-2015, 18:16
I'm curious, why?

He said because "it always leads to some idiot wielding them dangerously...especially swords." Which sounds like a ridiculous fear to me, but since I own many weapons, and a suit of armor, I am perhaps biased...

Beppo1234
02-01-2015, 21:09
He said because "it always leads to some idiot wielding them dangerously...especially swords." Which sounds like a ridiculous fear to me, but since I own many weapons, and a suit of armor, I am perhaps biased...

I'm not against proper collectors who treat their hobby with respect... but I'm afraid of those people who have 'a sword' about just for giggles. I was a little to general in my original post. It's just an accident waiting to happen, especially with the average age of this hobby's enthusiasts (no offense meant to anyone).

now I don't think GW is in the business of making full size replicas of weapons unless you had to assemble and paint it yourself, and I'd rather not see the nerf type of thing (but it is inevitable once a proper 40k movie gets picked up, inevitable as well) But I do think there are ways GW could bring a facsimile of a bolter, in the form of an LE army carrying/hobby case. It could be true to life in fluff scale (ie. too big for a human to wield as a weapon), wouldn't have to worry about plastic toy gun regulation by country, and it would serve a purpose, other than being a hollow box of molded plastic. The pistol grip would be a useless and removable extra, and the magazine could hold dice as a clip in drawer, the slide action forend of the bolter could slide open to hold paint, glue and tools, with an over the shoulder strap for heavier armies. I think that would be a cool way to sell a life sized bolter.

Freak Ona Leash
03-01-2015, 00:26
I am quite surprised there aren't any airsoft or paintball guns modded to resemble a bolter. Nothing commercial, but certainly there has to be some sort of fanmade contraption out there. Which I can then convince someone to make for me. Ahem.

Socaddict
03-01-2015, 09:33
now I don't think GW is in the business of making full size replicas of weapons unless you had to assemble and paint it yourself, and I'd rather not see the nerf type of thing (but it is inevitable once a proper 40k movie gets picked up, inevitable as well) But I do think there are ways GW could bring a facsimile of a bolter, in the form of an LE army carrying/hobby case. It could be true to life in fluff scale (ie. too big for a human to wield as a weapon), wouldn't have to worry about plastic toy gun regulation by country, and it would serve a purpose, other than being a hollow box of molded plastic. The pistol grip would be a useless and removable extra, and the magazine could hold dice as a clip in drawer, the slide action forend of the bolter could slide open to hold paint, glue and tools, with an over the shoulder strap for heavier armies. I think that would be a cool way to sell a life sized bolter.

I'm throwing my money at the screen, but nothing is happening!

Tuborg
03-01-2015, 20:35
I am quite surprised there aren't any airsoft or paintball guns modded to resemble a bolter. Nothing commercial, but certainly there has to be some sort of fanmade contraption out there. Which I can then convince someone to make for me. Ahem.

there probably is, they are just not widely advertised, as GW likes to sue over trivial things.

Legiocustodes
04-01-2015, 00:22
You could probably beef up a Heckler and Koch MP5 variant to make a pretty convincing (albeit smaller) boltgun (sororitas size as opposed to Astartes). I'm sure someone must have already done this somewhere!

Konovalev
05-01-2015, 15:23
Not to mention that it's unfair to compare "selling a bolter at games day" to "not selling anything at all on games day". It'd be fairer to compare the opportunity cost vs something that GW already actually make, i.e. models. Either an existing model, or a limited edition model - either would be waaaaaaaay cheaper and easier to produce, have higher margins, and be a lot easier to sell.

Oh absolutely. If GW made a large Inquisitor scale(54mm?) Space Marine kit with multiple arm and weapon options I'd buy it right up as a display piece. I do own the Inquisitor Artemis Space Marine, but that model is fairly deathwatch and lacking in options. To have say, a terminator lord, or artificer armor captain with the more ornate armor and regalia in 54mm would be something I'd considering buying well before a replica bolter.

aka_mythos
09-01-2015, 03:53
I think you're gonna have to do it yourself. I've been working on my own bolter for the last couple years... I'm building mine to actually shoot however. So far I have the main portions built and I have a functioning semi-auto 12ga shotgun that fills in for all the mechanisms. I'm just waiting to make the leap and get the necessary tax stamp from the ATF to manufacture a short barrel shotgun before I can cut down the barrel to complete it at the proper length. I have a housing machined from aircraft grade aluminum and good number of stainless steel parts. It has an integrated red-dot sight and laser sight and a rubberized magnesium fore-grip.

MrKeef
13-01-2015, 02:56
I think you're gonna have to do it yourself. I've been working on my own bolter for the last couple years... I'm building mine to actually shoot however. So far I have the main portions built and I have a functioning semi-auto 12ga shotgun that fills in for all the mechanisms. I'm just waiting to make the leap and get the necessary tax stamp from the ATF to manufacture a short barrel shotgun before I can cut down the barrel to complete it at the proper length. I have a housing machined from aircraft grade aluminum and good number of stainless steel parts. It has an integrated red-dot sight and laser sight and a rubberized magnesium fore-grip.

Wow. Do you have any WIP pictures?

Inquisitor Engel
13-01-2015, 04:21
GW won't do that. They don't like sharing the copyrights with anyone anymore.

Except you know, Relic, THQ, SEGA, Creative Assembly, Fantasy Flight, Focus Home Games, Rodeo, Electronic Arts, Armorcast, Full Control, Slitherine, Square Enix, Herocraft, Pixel Hero Games, Behaviour Interactive, Hammerfall, Roadhouse, Eutechnyx, Auroch Digital, Ripcord, Nomad, Microleague, Mindscape, Namco Bandai, JV Games, Bioware, Mythic, Cyanide, Rogue Factor, Kuju, Iron Lords, Bulldog, Full Control...

Shall I go on?

GW can and does contract and license their IP to vetted companies. It's a long and complex process, but IP licenses tend to be, especially when it comes down to weird questions of who pays what for things like marketing and acquisition.

GW contracted out the production of about 1200 full-size replica chainswords about the time Space Marine from THQ came out. They further contracted another 2400-ish 1/3 (I think) scale chainswords. Most of these were used for promotions, giveaways, etc. But many made it into the hands of store managers and other people on down the chain of developers, publishers staff, reviewers, etc. They also contract out a ton of accessories and other related materials that covers literally everything except models and directly related things. You don't think GW has a t-shirt press for all of those Forge World clothing items do you?

So please - enough with the blanket statements.

Hellebore
13-01-2015, 04:32
it would be nice to see a realistically scaled bolter, rather than one that took the miniatures as a true scale...

.75 calibre is good point to start from.

The muzzle bore is therefore 3/4 inch in diameter, or 19.05mm.

To retain that size and get the silly 1:1 miniaturescale people do, you end up with barrels several cm thick which ends up making it look like a TONKA my first boltgun...

Hellebore

Beppo1234
13-01-2015, 13:55
it would be nice to see a realistically scaled bolter, rather than one that took the miniatures as a true scale...

.75 calibre is good point to start from.

The muzzle bore is therefore 3/4 inch in diameter, or 19.05mm.

To retain that size and get the silly 1:1 miniaturescale people do, you end up with barrels several cm thick which ends up making it look like a TONKA my first boltgun...

Hellebore

remember that this is also a gun that delivers a blow that is about as strong as a punch from its wielder... TONKA seems to be in the right range.