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mightymconeshot
29-12-2014, 03:06
So would there be a command squad in a Chapter's First Company? I am finishing up my Ultramarines first company and trying to figure out what to pair up with the HQ models. My first company is all terminators (old school like that) and I was wondering if I need 100 suits or 105 suits. Or something else.

Your thoughts?

Charistoph
29-12-2014, 03:13
Even the Ultramarines were listed as having only 74 TDA suits (or was that all they could recover after the 'Nid invasion?) But it would be silly to expect a Terminator Captain to have a bodyguard retinue in power armour. Sadly, only the Dark Angels are allowed it in game at this time.

mightymconeshot
29-12-2014, 03:29
So I should just stick to 100 suits plus 3 for the captain, chaplain, and librarian?

Khornies & milk
29-12-2014, 06:13
The Codex Astartes has a Captain, Chaplain, Standard Bearer, and Apothecary mentioned as a part of the 1st Company, which to me designates a Command Squad. The libby is a part of a Chapter's HQ Staff, so not specifically from the 1st Company.

Me, I have a 1st and 2nd Company, and have a Command Squad for the Captains, Chaplains and Librarians. Never have I had someone tell me it was a silly decision...I know what I would tell them if they did:D

Lord Damocles
29-12-2014, 13:19
Chapter organisation diagrams never show Command Squads for some reason, but individual Company breakdowns do, so we know that they (can) exist beyond the standard 100 Marines in each Company.

Dark Angels have proper Terminator Command Squads; Blood Angels get a pseudo TCS with the Company banner(s); and back in 4th edition, all vanilla Marines and Black Templars had access to them (although without any equipment or specialists to actually mark them out as being Command Squads).
Codex: Space Marines (4th ed.), pg.55 shows an Ultramarine Terminator Command Squad.

So there's no reason that the Ultramarines 1st Company shouldn't have a Terminator Command Squad.

Tuborg
29-12-2014, 13:55
Aren't command squads made up of a Captain's friends, trusted advisers etc.

There aren't dedicated marines who chill out as a Command Squad, they are chosen before an engagement and pulled from the "rank and file"

So if a captain had a favourite scout, it isnt inconceivable for him to be called up

Lord Damocles
29-12-2014, 14:29
The Lions of Macragge (2nd Company Command Squad) are clearly in addition to the standard 100 Marines (eg. ref Fall of Damnos, central colour pages) of a Company, so they're not (exclusively) being made up from within other squads.

Codex: Space Marines (5th ed.), pgs.18-19 names all of the members of the Lions, suggesting that the core of the squad remains constant (which makes sense for the Apothecary, standard bearer, champion, and probably the veteran sergeant).
Possibly when a Company isn't using it's Rhinos, the crew members who otherwise seem to magically disappear provide extra numbers for the Command Squad (or displace members of other squads who join the Command).

T10
29-12-2014, 14:42
I think a Terminator Captain is considered different from a regular Captain - in other words the Space Marine Codex does not seem to offer a Command Squad to the Terminator Captain at all.

However, it does allow Captain Lysander to take a Command Squad, and he is most definetly a 1st Company Captain in terminator armour. This means that the Inperial Fists at least have no problem bringing along a couple of power armour dudes to their all-tactical-dreadnought-armour-fest.

-T10

Charistoph
29-12-2014, 14:58
...{B}ack in 4th edition, all vanilla Marines and Black Templars had access to them (although without any equipment or specialists to actually mark them out as being Command Squads).

I'd call an Apothecary and possibly adding in a Chaplain and/or Librarian a mark out. Also, Command Squads were the only squads to have Sergeants in Black Templars.

Lord Damocles
29-12-2014, 15:02
4th ed. Terminator Command Squads couldn't get an Apothecary (or standard bearer, or company champion).

Killgore
29-12-2014, 15:20
Go for the rule of cool, make a crazy Terminator armour command squad whichever way you think is best. Banner, Apothecary, Thunderhammer + Shield, Relic blades, whatever!

Charistoph
29-12-2014, 15:42
4th ed. Terminator Command Squads couldn't get an Apothecary (or standard bearer, or company champion).

I'm pretty sure my Templars could. I don't have my book with me, atm, to check, though. Codex Marines could, but it may have required burning a Trait to do it.

Lord Damocles
29-12-2014, 17:32
I'm pretty sure my Templars could.
Nope.

Codex Marines could
'fraid not.

may have required burning a Trait to do it.
Purity Above All only worked on Tactical and veteran squads.

Orthodox
30-12-2014, 02:18
So would there be a command squad in a Chapter's First Company? I am finishing up my Ultramarines first company and trying to figure out what to pair up with the HQ models. My first company is all terminators (old school like that) and I was wondering if I need 100 suits or 105 suits. Or something else.

Your thoughts?

That poster above, Khornies & milk, is right, you do not have any librarians in the first company, they are their own thing.

You should include the Gladius. It is a Predator tank that is permanently part of the Ultramarines' first company. It is an annihilator tri-las.

Sometimes the first company has two chaplains. Maybe you should paint two chaplains.


Me, I don't think they use a command squads too much since the first company is usually split up so, when he is fighting, the captain is sometimes a platoon commander for whatever 20 veterans he happens to be on a ship with.

mightymconeshot
30-12-2014, 02:43
I am going for the whole chapter, but right now just finishing up the 1st, 4th, and 10th company. I know librarians are separate from 1st company but I have an old librarian terminator model which I am painting up at the same time. And the vehicles are coming later since they will be the biggest chunk of change to purchase.

All right I think for now 100 suits of TDA and maybe a future purchase to make a squad of command terminators. Who knows. They may even be put in the next book.

Thanks everyone