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tenpole
11-05-2015, 18:58
For an upcomming (within next decade) tournament with the family I was trying to help my daughter whom is 5 choose her 500 point VC army. The army had to be picked from the 6th army book, all normal army restriction apply and no special characters, unlikely with a 500 point army.
Now I am a novice with VC so I did not know what I was doing but we kind of worked out a force and I just did not like what I had got.
Some of my daughters specification were that the army had to have lots of zombies and the force must include a vampire. No amount of talking about magic users necromancer swayed her. It had to be a vampire. Looking through the book the only way to do this was to have the vampire hero with one of the expensive bloodline traits for the nechark or what ever it is, magic based vampire bloodline.
Originally when I asked her how many zombies she wanted 10-40, she said 40. I like her style. I pointed out that I only had 20 zombies from the Mantic kits, so she went along with that. I think the other unit was skeletons and a wraith character.
I dont have the experience to pick a decent VC 500 point force so I thought I would throw it open to discussion here. Opponents will be night goblin, Dark elf and High elf. Army stays same for each battle. Spells roĺled on each new battle.
This is just for fun. It keeps the kids happy and get them painting some weekends.

Just Tony
11-05-2015, 19:11
At 500 pts she is quite right to go with two units of Zombies, and raise as many as you can further into it. I'd also throw in a unit of Dire Wolves for flanking. That, and a magic based character would probably do it. I don't have the 6th Ed. VC book anymore, but I'm not confident that there are any magic using hero level vampires. You could also go nuts and bump it up to 1,000 pts which will make for a bit of a better game.

StygianBeach
11-05-2015, 19:31
6th ed Vampires, nice one.

If I was gonna do a 6th ed Vamp army I would not be able to resist doing a Von Carstein army from the back of the book.

Col. Tartleton
11-05-2015, 20:04
Glorious 6th Ed Master Race.

When Vampires still had Bloodline theme lists. The coolest Blood Dragon was in the Skaven army book though. That guy killed a lot of rat ogres before they ate him...

tenpole
11-05-2015, 20:46
At 500 pts she is quite right to go with two units of Zombies, and raise as many as you can further into it. I'd also throw in a unit of Dire Wolves for flanking. That, and a magic based character would probably do it. I don't have the 6th Ed. VC book anymore, but I'm not confident that there are any magic using hero level vampires. You could also go nuts and bump it up to 1,000 pts which will make for a bit of a better game.

It is set at 500 point so it can all be painted. There are no completed armies yet. A 500 point is a good starting point.

If you have a thrall and give him the Nehekara's Noble Blood at 45 points it gives an extra level of magic. A thrall is therefore a level 1 wizard and as able to be a general. This is the only way a Vampire thrall can be a general in 6th edition. Thats 125 ppints for the general alone. Necharchs have reduced h2h stats.

tenpole
11-05-2015, 20:48
6th ed Vampires, nice one.

If I was gonna do a 6th ed Vamp army I would not be able to resist doing a Von Carstein army from the back of the book.
No good for a 500 point army.

tenpole
11-05-2015, 20:51
Glorious 6th Ed Master Race.

When Vampires still had Bloodline theme lists. The coolest Blood Dragon was in the Skaven army book though. That guy killed a lot of rat ogres before they ate him...
I have only got the 6th edition book around christmas time but I did recall the article in WD about the release of this book. At the time I thought the bloodlines thing would make armies uneccesarily complicated but in fact it makes picking your army fun. We all love to pick out armies.

infamousme
11-05-2015, 21:43
Yeah, the loss of bloodlines in the books after 6th killed even the small interest I has in VC..... Always wanted a blood dragon army.

Just Tony
11-05-2015, 22:34
You can ebay armies for the cheap right now, and if one is even haphazardly painted it'll still count as, and can be "fixed" in the same time as painting up 500 pts from the ground up.

Lord Dan
11-05-2015, 23:23
Uh...with all due respect, if she's only 5, does it really matter?

In Dark Trees
12-05-2015, 02:16
I cobbled together a Strigoi vampire counts army way back in the happy days of 6th edition. Those were the days when Ghouls still had personality and the Banner of the Barrows was an omnipresent force for terror and disorder. Unless my memory has completely abandoned me I believe that, if you want a vampire at the head of your army, you can purchase a Bloodline Power for a Necrarch Vampire Thrall (the name escapes me). I always liked the Necrarchs and thought they got the most respectable of all GW's myriad--and often unsuccessful--vampire miniatures. Now, he or she would be pretty pitiable in combat, but s/he would fulfill your obligatory magic user.

In sixth edition zombies really were the best choice in the Vampire Counts book. You'd do well to buy a few boxes of those superb Mantic zombies. I quite liked Black Knights as well.

I've just rediscovered ye olde Bloodline list: http://redelf.narod.ru/w6/vc/z_bl_necrarch.html

tenpole
12-05-2015, 06:10
Uh...with all due respect, if she's only 5, does it really matter?
I think you are missing the point. No one would expect a 5 year old to general an army. Someone will be doing the tactical work but she would be involved doing things that five year olds are good at. Rolling dice. I dont want to leave her out and by getting her to participate will be beneficial.

StygianBeach
12-05-2015, 09:59
No good for a 500 point army.

Understood. I reckon a 5 year old would love the wolf form ability.

tenpole
12-05-2015, 12:43
Understood. I reckon a 5 year old would love the wolf form ability.
Wolf form cost points which would have already been pushed to the quota by the inclusion of noble blood. I would have liked to paint a Monster High themed army but that might be sooo last year.

SuperHappyTime
12-05-2015, 13:30
I think you are missing the point. No one would expect a 5 year old to general an army. Someone will be doing the tactical work but she would be involved doing things that five year olds are good at. Rolling dice. I dont want to leave her out and by getting her to participate will be beneficial.

This is why casinos don't let anyone under 21 in. Best of luck to both of you.

Lord Dan
12-05-2015, 13:35
I think you are missing the point. No one would expect a 5 year old to general an army.

Sure, but the reason no one expects it is because 99.99% of 5 year olds don't have the mental faculties necessary to general an army, including memorizing dozens of charts and hundreds of special rules and statlines. My own 5-year-old included.

infamousme
12-05-2015, 15:56
This is why casinos don't let anyone under 21 in. Best of luck to both of you.



Hmmmm.... I'm surrounded by casinos, you only need to be 21 to play. Anyone can enter though... I'm sure Vegas is different than other locales.

tenpole
12-05-2015, 20:16
Does it make a difference if she is six in June?

My daughters age or mental or cognitive ability is not relevant to what I was asking about. I have bought the figures. I will be painting the figures. I think a former 4th/5th edition dwarf player (age 30+, mentally round about 7) will be commanding the army when I am the opponent. I see no harm in letting her feel a part of the game and enjoying it all.

Gambling only pays when you're winning Mrs Mort.

tenpole
12-05-2015, 20:28
Sure, but the reason no one expects it is because 99.99% of 5 year olds don't have the mental faculties necessary to general an army, including memorizing dozens of charts and hundreds of special rules and statlines. My own 5-year-old included.

Fk me I cant remember all the charts and I will have stat lines written out. She can be taught to read charts and tables which if she gets on with it then it will be a bonus, if not she still learns. I doubt my twelve year old daughter will read the tables easily but again, it is learning.

Warhammer does involve numbers, counting simple arithmetic. How can it not be good to get your children involved?

infamousme
12-05-2015, 20:51
My sons been playing since he was five. He's now 9 & he does really well with the rules and charts. He even legitimately beat me once.... Which is embarrassing to state considering I rarely lose in pick up games against "adults" at the game store (1 out of the last 10 games)

Lord Dan
12-05-2015, 20:53
How can it not be good to get your children involved?

I think it's great to involve your kids. It just seems odd to ask about the most competitive build for an army led by said kids, particularly when my own 5-year old would be more concerned with making them pink and getting them to sing the theme from "Frozen" than crushing her enemies underfoot with them.

KidDiscordia
13-05-2015, 03:23
I think it's great to involve your kids. It just seems odd to ask about the most competitive build for an army led by said kids, particularly when my own 5-year old would be more concerned with making them pink and getting them to sing the theme from "Frozen" than crushing her enemies underfoot with them.

Nothing freezes the heart faster than Pink Zombies sing "Let it Go..."

The Horror...The Horror.

tenpole
13-05-2015, 06:03
Nothing freezes the heart faster than Pink Zombies sing "Let it Go..."

The Horror...The Horror.

So fear is upgraded to terror. Fantastic.

KidDiscordia
14-05-2015, 03:52
So fear is upgraded to terror. Fantastic.

And also remember "Cold never bothers them anyway."

tenpole
14-05-2015, 20:08
I have only seen Frozen to the point where they jump over a chasm, after that I fell asleep. But in correlation to one of Lord Dan's post about Warhammer and fantasy in the regular world, I did make a comment to my disinterested family that Olaf must be an ice golem technically. Other than a "shut-up" from the wife and a momentary puzzlement over my daughters faces, I got no comment. But I expect the Warseer world would know what I was on about.

PirateRobotNinjaofDeath
15-05-2015, 19:12
My sons been playing since he was five. He's now 9 & he does really well with the rules and charts. He even legitimately beat me once.... Which is embarrassing to state considering I rarely lose in pick up games against "adults" at the game store (1 out of the last 10 games)

9 year old tabled a club mate of ours in a recent tournament. Karl Franz Ascended FTW.

tenpole
19-05-2015, 16:28
This was not strictly an army list.

Arnizipal
20-05-2015, 21:16
Umm... You want me to move it back then?

tenpole
21-05-2015, 21:00
No its fine, job done.