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Humanoid
01-06-2015, 12:59
The previous financial year end was 01 June 2014, and its report was released on 29 July 2014. With the start of June 2015, the financial year end for 2014-2015 has arrived.

Here's the thread of my incomplete list for the new GW products in the 1st half of the 2014-2015 financial year:
http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?402912-2014-2015-1st-Half-New-Products-Contemplation

Here's my incomplete list of the new GW products in the 2nd half of the 2014-2015 financial year:

06 Dec 2014 - The Hobbit
- £75 Shield of Baal: Deathstorm box set (25 miniatures, Campaign and The Rules)
- Bases: 32mm round 10for£3, 50mm round 3for£3, and 170mm oval 1for£3 - (WEBSTORE EXCLUSIVE)
13 Dec 2014
- £295 The Hobbit: Smaug (WEBSTORE EXCLUSIVE) 200
- £100 Codex: Blood Angels Sanguinary Guard Edition (WEBSTORE EXCLUSIVE) 1500
- £30 Codex: Blood Angels
- BA Tactical Squad, BA Sanguinary Priest
20 Dec 2014 - The Hobbit
- £45 Shield of Baal: Exterminatus (Slipcase two-volume hardback set) (WEBSTORE EXCLUSIVE)
- £35 BA Terminator Assault Squad (5 miniatures)
- £18 BA Librarian (1 miniature)
- The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies (Online Only) (Also free PDF download)
27 Dec 2014 - No pre-orders for release on this day.
03 Jan 2015 - No pre-orders for release on this day.
10 Jan 2015
- £55 Skreech Verminking (Warbringer/Warpseer/Deceiver/Corruptor) on 60x100mm base
- £105 Sanguine Strike Company
17 Jan 2015
- £100 Warhammer: Thanquol (Limited Edition) (WEBSTORE EXCLUSIVE) 500
- £45 Warhammer: Thanquol (WEBSTORE EXCLUSIVE)
- £47 Thanquol & Boneripper
24 Jan 2015
- £38.50 Skaven Stormfiends (3 miniatures)
- £13.50 Skaven Warlord
- £13.50 Skaven Seer
31 Jan 2015
- £100 Codex: Necrons Cryptek Edition (WEBSTORE EXCLUSIVE) 1000
- £30 Codex: Necrons
- £17 Necron Overlord
- £115 The Tomb Awakened box set (21 miniatures)
- The Hobbit: £40 Radagast The Brown Riding Great Eagle (WEBSTORE EXCLUSIVE)
- The Hobbit: £35 The White Council: Vanquishers of the Necromancer
07 Feb 2015
- £24 Harlequin Troupe (6 miniatures)
- £16 Harlequin Solitaire
14 Feb 2015
- £24 Harlequin Skyweavers (2 miniatures)
21 Feb 2015
- £125 Codex: Harlequins Troupe Master Edition (WEBSTORE EXCLUSIVE) 1,000 or 900 ???
- £30 Codex: Harlequins
- £25 Harlequin Starweaver/Voidweaver
28 Feb 2015
- £16 Harlequin Shadowseer
- £16 Harlequin Death Jester
07 Mar 2015
- £70 Khorne Bloodthirster
14 Mar 2015
- £150 Warhammer: Archaon (Limited Edition) (WEBSTORE EXCLUSIVE) 500
- £50 Warhammer: Archaon (Hardcover)
- £34.50 Khorne Wraithmongers/Skullreapers
21 Mar 2015
- £18 Khorne Skarr Bloodwrath (1 miniature)
- £80 Blood Tide of Khorne (15 miniatures)
28 Mar 2015
- £100 Codex: Khorne Daemonkin Skulltaker Edition (Online only - no number of copies) (WEBSTORE EXCLUSIVE) 888
- £30 Codex: Khorne Daemonkin
- £140 Khorne Daemonkin Warband (37 Citadel miniatures)
04 Apr 2015
- £23.50 Adeptus Mechanicus Skitarii (10 Rangers/Vanguard)
- £29.50 Adeptus Mechanicus Ironstrider
11 Apr 2015
- £100 Codex: Skitarii Rustalker Edition (Online only) (WEBSTORE EXCLUSIVE) 900
- £20 Codex: Skitarii
- £28 Adeptus Mechanicus Sicarians (5 Ruststalkers/Infiltrators)
18 Apr 2015
- £40 Adeptus Mechanicus Onager Dunecrawler (1 model)
- £22.50 Promethium Relay Pipes
- £50 Plasma Obliterator (1 model)
25 Apr 2015
- £100 Codex: Craftworlds (Farseer Edition) (Online only) (WEBSTORE EXCLUSIVE) 800?
- £35 Codex: Craftworlds
- £30 Eldar Shining Spears (3 models)
- £25 Eldar Windriders (3 models)
- £20 Eldar Warlock/Farseer Skyrunner (1 model)
- £16 Eldar Autarch (1 miniature)
02 May 2015
- £75 Assassinorum: Execution Force
09 May 2015
- £95 Imperial Knight Errant/Paladin/Warden/Gallant/Crusader (1 model)
- £25 Codex: Imperial Knights
16 May 2015
- £42 Adeptus Mechanicus Kastelan Robots (2 robots and 1 datasmith)
23 May 2015
- £35 Adeptus Mechanicus Kataphron Battle Servitors - Destroyers/Breachers (3 models)
30 May 2015
- £100 Codex: Cult Mechanicus Dominus Edition (WEBSTORE EXCLUSIVE) 900
- £20 Codex: Cult Mechanicus
- £25 Adeptus Mechanicus Corpuscarii/Fulgurite Electro-Priests (5 miniatures - 32mm round bases)
- £22 Adeptus Mechanicus Tech-Priest Dominus

06 Jun 2015*
- £25 Space Marine Assault Squad (5 miniatures)
- £15 Transfers: Ultramarines, Blood Angels, Dark Angels (Online Only)
- £8 Upgrades: Ultramarines, Blood Angels, Space Wolves, Dark Angels

*I included the 06 Jun 2015 release for completeness because the pre-order day for this release starts on 30 May 2015, that is, still in the 2nd half of the 2014-2015 financial year. However, in my view, this release was not a blockbuster, so it is probably not worth noting in the 2nd half of the 2014-2015 financial year.

Ramblings
I did not buy any of the new products which were released in the 2nd half of the 2014-2015 financial year. Since I am writing my own rules, I have no desire for the new 40K codicies. I have plenty of old codicies to fuel my imagination. I was hoping that the Adeptus Mechanicus line of miniatures would provide something that I like, but it did not.

The weekly release watching has become a bizarre form of entertainment for me, and isn't entertainment what this is all about. I am entertained by others expressing their joy or their grief about a product release, thus the bizarre nature. So, my entertainment from GW has shifted from buying and playing 40K products to watching the releases and reading the commentary of 40K products. Imagine if more of the customer base does the same detachment from the products. Not good for sales.

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?405659-Plastic-(GW-produced)-Warhammer-30K/page8 My entertainment of the weekly release watching was magnified by the Hastings rumors, especially the Genestealer Cult release. If GW is going to get me back to buying from watching, then a Genestealer Cult release would do it, but I am cautious of what GW will do to "contemporize" the miniature line of genestealer hybrids.

Base Sizes - Once upon a time and long, long ago, knowing what was on what base size was easy. Nowadays, I have no idea with more base sizes and the transition to them. This unknowing just adds to my disinterest in buying and playing 40K products. That learning curve from newbie to veteran is getting awful steep, and I wonder if the learning curve is going to exceed price as the main deterrent to starting. It could be that adolescents without money see price as a deterrent and have no experience with such a steep learning curve, whereas adults with money and family priorities see the learning curve as the deterrent because of the lack of leisure time.

GW no longer does specialist games. Is GW abandoning the product space of humanoid figurines which fit on 25mm round bases?

For myself who has 1st edition Space Hulk and metal Terminator Marines on 25mm round bases which were the base size in Space Hulk and 40K at that time, there is this glacial shift from 25mm round bases to larger bases. And, this glacial shift is occuring faster and faster. In my view, at some point in the future, it seems to me that GW will no longer offer humanoid figurines which fit on 25mm round bases. For example, I am waiting for the Genestealer Cult release, and the genestealer hybrids may be designed to fit on 32mm round bases instead of 25mm round bases. For someone like myself who sees humanoid figurines on 25mm round bases as the base size for play with humanoid figurines, then GW would no longer be a source.

Time Zone Pre-Ordering - This feels like a disaster in the making to me. I cannot wait to see a limited release of a highly-desired product by the customer base, and it becomes sold out before Europe, or before North America. (Codex: Cult Mechanicus Dominus Edition was still available for pre-order after the Saturday of its pre-order.) I understand the reason of coordinating the pre-orders in a time zone with the opening of GW stores, but whatever happened to first-come, first-served to all destinations for a global company. Maybe the webstore update did not provide the necessary server bandwidth.

Limited Run Count - I saw a picture of the White Dwarf release page for the Codex: Harlequins Troupe Master Edition, and it had "(Limited to 1,000 copies.)" However, the description on the GW webpage had "Limited to 900 individually numbered copies". I thought it was odd to put the limited run count in White Dwarf rather than just only putting it on the GW website. And, the limited run count only lasted for a few codex releases in the White Dwarfs that I saw. In the case of the Codex: Craftworlds (Farseer Edition), the revolving GW webpage had the limitation of 800 copies, but there was not a limited run count in the description. GW could of been experimenting with where to put the limited run count, and making mistakes in the process.

Codex Insanity - I count 22 codicies in the 40K list on the GW website. I am discounting the Officio Assassinorum because it is a dataslate. When GW was releasing supplements and dataslates in addition to codicies, it was very easy to say "codicies only" for a game, that is, one could cut the burden of cost and information brought about by the non-codicies. However, now that it looks like everything will be a codex, then that division is gone which I believe was GW's intent. And, the slope of the learning curve increases.

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?297915-Games-Workshop-40K-Release-Timeline-(Mk-II I extracted some information from this thread, changed (6.5/7th edition) or (6/7th edition) to (7th edition) below, and made some changes as indicated to focus on the codicies:

May 2015: Adeptus Mechanicus Cult Mechanicus (7th edition) <--- Changed June to May
May 2015: Imperial Knights (7th edition)
April 2015: Adeptus Mechanicus Skitarii (7th edition) + Eldar Craftworlds (7th edition)
March 2015: Khorne Daemonkin (7th edition)
February 2015: Harlequins (7th edition)
January 2015: Necrons (7th edition)
December 2014: Blood Angels (7th edition)
October 2014: Dark Eldar (7th edition)
August 2014: Space Wolves (7th edition) + Grey Knights (7th edition)
June 2014: Orks (7th edition)
May 2014: Warhammer 40,000 7th edition

April 2014: Astra Militarum (6th edition) + Militarum Tempestus (6th edition)
March 2014: Imperial Knights (6th edition)
January 2014: Tyranids (6th edition)
(???)November 2013: Inquisition (6th edition) <--- Added entry
October 2013: Adepta Sororitas (6th edition)
September 2013: Space Marines (6th edition)
June 2013: Eldar (6th edition)
April 2013: Tau (6th edition)
March 2013: Chaos Daemons (6th edition)
January 2013: Dark Angels (6th edition)
October 2012: Chaos Space Marines (6th edition)
July 2012: Warhammer 40,000 6th Edition

November 2011: Necrons (5th edition)
April 2011: Grey Knights (5th edition)
November 2010: Dark Eldar (5th edition)
April 2010: Blood Angels (5th edition)
January 2010: Tyranids (5th edition)
October 2009: Space Wolves (5th edition)
May 2009: Imperial Guard (5th edition)
October 2008: Space Marines (5th edition)
September 2008: Assault on Black Reach
July 2008: Warhammer 40,000 5th Edition

Of the codicies in the 40K list on the GW website, I believe that Codex: Inquistion and Codex: Adepta Sororitas are the only two which are available only in digital.

6th edition 40K had 2 new codicies, that is, Imperial Knights and Militarum Tempestus, in its less than two years life span. So far, 7th edition has had 4 new codicies, that is, Harlequins, Khorne Daemonkin, Adeptus Mechanicus: Skitarii, and Adeptus Mechanicus: Cult Mechanicus, in just over a year of its life span. And, the rumors have more new codicies to come. What's a good guess as the maximum number of codicies in the 40K list on the GW website? 25? 30? As someone who started 40K when it was primarily marines, guard, chaos, orks, eldar, chaos, and squats (if I remember correctly), I am overwhelmed.

I have not done a check of the distant past, but the record for the shortest interval between a re-release of a codex seems to me to belong to the Imperial Knights at 14 months as follows:

May 2015: Imperial Knights (7th edition)
March 2014: Imperial Knights (6th edition)

WFB Suspense - Months and months ago, my guess was that some form of the new WFB that even the detractors would buy for curiousity purposes was going to be released in the 2nd half of the 2014-2015 financial year, minimally, at least available for pre-order on the last Saturday of the 2014-2015 financial year. (Some people who were more aware of the situation stated a mid/late summer timeframe, for example.) But, no, no such release occured. 40K releases continued since the end of The End Times. So, I continued to wait with my curiousity that was started months and months ago with the first rumors about the new WFB. The longer duration of my wait does not increase my desire to buy, either I will like it and will buy it, or I will not. If the product strategy of 40K is any indication of the product strategy for the new WFB, then I do not see myself as a customer of the new WFB even if the game is good. Sci-fi is primary for me, and fantasy is secondary. I would like a fantasy product which fits a secondary role, and not a primary role.

Tyberos
03-06-2015, 02:39
Going through things I've bought for the whole financial year is quite easy.

Space Hulk
Shield of Baal Deathstorm
Assassinorum Execution Force (see the boxed game pattern here)
one copy of a White Dwarf weekly (the one with the Assassin rules in)
Both Shield of Ball campaign books
Plasma Blast Turret
Codex Knights (7th)
A single Imperial Knight
Space Marine command tank set from Warhammer World

In hindsight, were it not for the boxed sets and the fact that a couple of the things I bought were limited release I would likely have just bought a Knight and a Vindicare or something. I expect outside of the upcoming marine Codex I won't be picking anything else up for a while, unless they do another decent campaign/army box.

MiyamatoMusashi
09-06-2015, 07:52
I'd just like to LOL at everyone who thought that GW getting a new CEO would see a change in direction.

Nope: prices still going up. And up. And up.

The_Real_Chris
09-06-2015, 09:09
It is a shame, they really need to get more players with toys on the table. That means better rules and cheaper, balanced, entry levels :(


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Dark Primus
13-06-2015, 17:48
Going through things I've bought for the whole financial year is quite easy.


Yes my list to. Its comprised of one big nothing. GW does not want me to buy their models any more I am just complying with their wishes.

Poncho160
13-06-2015, 18:01
Wow, reading this made me realise, I haven't bought any models from GW for over a year! First time that has happened!

The only things I have bought are the first and last End Times books.

I suppose after 20+ years, I am just not a GW customer anymore. How wierd

hobojebus
15-06-2015, 15:39
Last thing i bought was a knight when they first came out so nearly a year and a half and still no urge to play or buy anything from GW.

I keep hearing how they've got a consultant in or how the ceo plans on changing things but nothing comes of it, they are locked into a course that will take them over the cliff.

It's a shame kirby and the board were too afraid to really launch the game globally the way it should of been, the way Australian customers are treated is a bad joke and america gets a massive F for failed management.

Gorsameth
15-06-2015, 16:07
Last thing i bought was a knight when they first came out so nearly a year and a half and still no urge to play or buy anything from GW.

I keep hearing how they've got a consultant in or how the ceo plans on changing things but nothing comes of it, they are locked into a course that will take them over the cliff.

It's a shame kirby and the board were too afraid to really launch the game globally the way it should of been, the way Australian customers are treated is a bad joke and america gets a massive F for failed management.
I wouldn't say they were afraid, more like incompetent.

Voss
15-06-2015, 17:40
I'd just like to LOL at everyone who thought that GW getting a new CEO would see a change in direction.

Nope: prices still going up. And up. And up.
Well. Given that they didn't get a new CEO as much as play musical chairs with the CFO and CEO (and brought in a new chair for the old CEO)... yeah. A new direction was not in the cards. The former chief financial guy is not going to suddenly change his tune on the pricing policies he helped create.


As for the WFB 'suspense,' I figure their marketing strategy boils down to this:
'If you won't buy GW products sight unseen, you won't buy them at all.'


Get your limited edition gubbins now, because they'll be obsolete in a year. [Ok, for clarification for folks who miss the sarcasm here, I don't actually advocate this, and want the limited edition scams to go away, especially given that they are designed to have an even shorter lifespan now.]

hobojebus
15-06-2015, 23:30
Yeah i laugh when i think of those people that spent £150 on limited edition codexes just a year ago.

I'm loving being vindicated about everything i warned of.

Thirdeye
16-06-2015, 00:35
@ Humanoid

I want to hear more about the rules you're writing.

MiyamatoMusashi
16-06-2015, 11:44
Well. Given that they didn't get a new CEO as much as play musical chairs with the CFO and CEO (and brought in a new chair for the old CEO)... yeah. A new direction was not in the cards. The former chief financial guy is not going to suddenly change his tune on the pricing policies he helped create.

Oh, I agree entirely. But there are always those who clutch at straws, no matter how often GW let them down.

Humanoid
25-06-2015, 19:28
@ Humanoid

I want to hear more about the rules you're writing.
http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?405547-Franken-K

Let me categorize my past and present conduct as a GW customer as follows to try to predict my future conduct:

- money to burn
- mad money
- value for the money
- disconnect

As you can see by the above, three of the four categories concern money.

I had "money to burn" in the early 1990s, and most of it went to 40K. (Some of the "money to burn" went to CCGs such as MtG.) White Dwarf and the Citadel Catalogues were the only means for me to find out about the GW products in the early 1990s. Eventually, the only way to get what I truly wanted was to telephone GW mail order, especially using the GW bits service. (Telephoning GW mail order was how I got 10 Genestealer Hybrids of a particular model.) Sometimes, while talking on the telephone, if I remember correctly, one would be informed of a new release which had not made it into a White Dwarf on the street. If I remember correctly, then that was how a member of the gaming group got me my first "contemporary" Space Marine Dreadnought. When it arrived, it took a while to figure out how the parts fit together, because there were no assembly instructions nor a picture of one fully assembled. I was a "money to burn" GW customer.

When 3rd edition 40K arrived in 1998, I rage quite 40K because 3rd edition was not my 40K. I was a "disconnect" GW customer.

If I remember correctly, then the box of plastic Kroot Carnivore miniatures was released with the Tau in 2001. In either late 2001 or early 2002, I bought two boxes because I really liked the Kroot Carnivore miniatures. I had no intention of building a Tau army, nor playing 40K. I was a "mad money" GW customer.

The pull to play tabletop miniatures again was too strong, and I started playing 5th edition 40K in 2008. I bought the box set of Assault on Black Reach, and sold the miniatures and kept the mini rulebook. I was a "value for the money" GW customer. I bought some 5th edition 40K codicies on release day. I was a "mad money" GW customer. (The codex releases for 5th edition were months apart and allowed my curiousity to build for the next codex.)

I have become a "disconnect" GW customer of 40K play since 6th edition. I bought the 6th edition Dark Vengeance at a discount, and traded the Dark Angels miniatures part for another Chaos miniatures part as a "value for the money" purchase of the mini rulebook and the Chaos miniatures. I bought some 6th edition codicies as "mad money" purchases.

I have become a "disconnect" GW customer of 40K codicies since 7th edition. I bought the 7th edition Dark Vengeance at a discount, and traded the Dark Angels miniatures part for another Chaos miniatures part as a "value for the money" purchase of the mini rulebook and the Chaos miniatures.

I have not been a "money to burn" GW customer since 2nd edition 40K.

And, I do not see myself becoming a "money to burn" GW customer every again because I have been "burned" by GW with their product abandonment of 2nd edition 40K, up-basing and codex creep. I could see myself as a "mad money" GW customer for a Genestealer Cult release if the Genestealer Hybrids are on 25mm bases like my other ones, but I see myself as a "value for the money" GW customer of 25mm-base figurines if at all.

Has the GW product strategy such as the hyper product release schedule and/or unbound 7th edition 40K and/or the End Times of WFB caused any loss or gain in the set of "money to burn" GW customers?

As I see things, the number of "money to burn" GW customers is the critical factor to GW's survival with their product strategy. And, I believe from reading the various forums, that the number of "money to burn" GW customers has declined.

As a kid, have you ever run down a steep hill and go faster and faster until there is no way of stopping without crashing? The other option is to reach the bottom of the hill to slow down to not crash. The problem is that the outcome of a major injury grows and grows as one goes faster and faster. If one had realized the problem in the beginning and took the risk of stopping and risking a mild crash, then the injury would most likely be minor such as a scrape or two. However, one thinks that they can make it to the bottom of the steep hill, and takes the risk.

I think that GW is running down a steep hill and going faster and faster with product releases while the number of "money to burn" GW customers is declining. Regardless of who is at the helm at this time, the product decisions of the past may have caused some "money to burn" GW customers to no longer be "money to burn" GW customers, and the number of new "money to burn" GW customers is much less than the loss of current "money to burn" GW customers.

GW needs a new product niche which will have the former "money to burn" GW customers forgiving GW for its sins.

For example, let's say that this new product niche is a hologram plug'n'play tabletop miniatures game. Colors as vivid and sharp as any high-definition display. Just put on the interactive glove, and move the hologram miniatures. It sounds farfetched at this time, but such a product would transform GW if GW was the product owner. Such a product as a hologram plug'n'play tabletop miniatures game would not replace a physical tabletop miniatures game entirely, but there would be an overwhelming demand by tabletop miniatures players to have one.

Will such a new product niche occur before GW has a bad crash? I do not think so.