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hellfire
03-07-2006, 16:18
could someone tell me what baneblades stormswords and shadowswords are armed with and how many structure points they have

x-esiv-4c
03-07-2006, 16:23
They are titans on tracks.
I'm not sure if it's against the forum rules to say how many structure points they have but it's equivalent to a titan.
As for armaments, the baneblade combines the arsenal of a demolisher and a lemmie on one. Shadowsword boasts a titan-killing volcano cannon.

Warboss Grimmtoof
03-07-2006, 16:24
I believe it is against forum rules to post stats so I dont think we can tell you.:(

Steel_Legion
03-07-2006, 16:28
Stormsword? is that not the close ranged one? with short range weapons like flamer throwers? or am i getting confused with another tank

Gyulkus Chaos Saurus
03-07-2006, 16:48
go to wolflair.com (I think thats what it is) and download the demo of army builder 3. you can see them there.

Sai-Lauren
03-07-2006, 16:55
Stormsword? is that not the close ranged one? with short range weapons like flamer throwers? or am i getting confused with another tank
Yes, Stormswords are refitted Stormblades, designed for cityfighting/seige work.
The four currently existing ones are:
Baneblade
Shadowsword
Stormblade
Stormsword

They're detailed in IA1.

There was also a Stormhammer in epic - of which I believe there are no plans to create a model. Also, the Stormblade in Epic used to have some HK missiles on the side, but they've been removed for the 40k model (and the removal gets a mention in IA1)

And stats aren't allowed to be posted here. But IIRC, I think Warhounds have slightly more structure points than any of the super-heavies do, but not by much.

Chaos and Evil
03-07-2006, 17:51
As well as structure points, Titans also have void shields.

hellfire
04-07-2006, 05:56
if its against forum rules to say what there armed with could someone e-mail me at dcdanko@yahoo.com to tell me what the weapons are.

scavenseer
04-07-2006, 10:41
They are titans on tracks.
I'm not sure if it's against the forum rules to say how many structure points they have but it's equivalent to a titan.
As for armaments, the baneblade combines the arsenal of a demolisher and a lemmie on one. Shadowsword boasts a titan-killing volcano cannon.

WRONG, Oh so wrong..... Baneblades have an earthshaker cannon, 6 twin linked heavy bolters and a lascannon. read sabbatt martyr.:p

Chaos and Evil
04-07-2006, 12:04
WRONG, Oh so wrong..... Baneblades have an earthshaker cannon, 6 twin linked heavy bolters and a lascannon. read sabbatt martyr.:p

A Baneblade has:

- 3x Twin-linked heavy bolters.
- 2x Lascannons
- Demolisher Cannon
- Mega Battle Cannon with co-axial autocannon


Posting that is not against the forum rules, I'm just telling you what's visable on the model's pictures on the FW website! ;)

scavenseer
04-07-2006, 12:22
A Baneblade has:

- 3x Twin-linked heavy bolters.
- 2x Lascannons
- Demolisher Cannon
- Mega Battle Cannon with co-axial autocannon


Posting that is not against the forum rules, I'm just telling you what's visable on the model's pictures on the FW website! ;)

Forge world gets things wrong on an almost god like scale. A bane blade is described in Sabbatt martyr, end of disscussion.

Dan abbnett is like lightning against FW bows and arrows (sorry war of the worlds fans!!:( )

devolutionary
04-07-2006, 12:25
... wha? The Forgeworld Baneblade is a direct copy of the Epic Baneblade, which is the original. So which is right? The Epic version, or Dan Abnett's?

scavenseer
04-07-2006, 12:32
... wha? The Forgeworld Baneblade is a direct copy of the Epic Baneblade, which is the original. So which is right? The Epic version, or Dan Abnett's?

Dan abnetts who gets his facts checked by GW not FW who has no constraints other than the amount of resin they can can waste on models like their ridiculous baneblade and laughable version of a tyrannid daminatix.

Chaos and Evil
04-07-2006, 12:34
devolutionary:

Scavenseer is taking the pee.

Tarquinn
04-07-2006, 12:36
Whatever happened to the Stormhammer?

I really liked that superheavy.

devolutionary
04-07-2006, 12:38
devolutionary:

Scavenseer is taking the pee.

Lord I hope so.

*returns to inane muttering in corner*

scavenseer
04-07-2006, 12:40
I am sorry, but i believe in what i am saying, BL is used as the basis for most of the fluff so in a way Dan Abbnett's bane blade is more authentic than the FW one. You may disagree but thats you perogative.

Sai-Lauren
04-07-2006, 12:45
Dan abnetts who gets his facts checked by GW not FW who has no constraints other than the amount of resin they can can waste on models like their ridiculous baneblade and laughable version of a tyrannid daminatix.
Erm, so how did Colonel-Commissar come about then? ;)

BL writers aren't checked by anyone in GW - and it would appear that BL's own proof-readers are more likely to insert new mistakes than correct any of the authors. :rolleyes:
I'd go with FW/Specialist over any of the BL writers any day of the week for things like that.

Originally (like 1st edition epic), the BaneBlade had a turret Battlecannon with co-axial Lascannon, hull mounted Battlecannon, and a turreted Las Cannon and three Heavy Bolters per sponson. The hull cannon's now a Demolisher Cannon, but the rest of the armament's fairly close.

Oh, and ForgeWorld havn't even considered the Dominatrix yet (well, they havn't released one), closest things are the Barbed/Scythed Heirodules, and the Heirophant bio-titan.

Tarquinn
04-07-2006, 12:47
I am sorry, but i believe in what i am saying, BL is used as the basis for most of the fluff so in a way Dan Abbnett's bane blade is more authentic than the FW one. You may disagree but thats you perogative.Yes, and that fluff is based on the game and the models Games Workshop is making. What you are basically saying is that Dan Abnett/Bl overrules GW.

Think about it. ;)

Chaos and Evil
04-07-2006, 12:47
Whatever happened to the Stormhammer?

I really liked that superheavy.

I still have an Epic scale StormHammer, now there was a funny super-heavy tank.

- 2x twin-linked mega battle cannons with co-axial autocannons
- 4x lascannons
- 4x twin-linked heavy bolters

It was more like a mobile fortress than a tank.



I am sorry, but i believe in what i am saying, BL is used as the basis for most of the fluff so in a way Dan Abbnett's bane blade is more authentic than the FW one. You may disagree but thats you perogative.

Epic, Epic40k, Epic:Armageddon, 40k (Test rules), 40k ForgeWorld rules (In two published books), many WD articles over the years.

versus:

The mighty Dan Abnett!



Yup. :rolleyes:

Chaos and Evil
04-07-2006, 12:56
It was released last year, there is an large picture of the thing in a white dwarf (i cannot remember which one)

Nope, ForgeWorld have not made a Dominatrix.

Brimstone
04-07-2006, 12:56
This is a baneblade thread please stay on topic.

Tarquinn
04-07-2006, 13:02
I still have an Epic scale StormHammer, now there was a funny super-heavy tank.

- 2x twin-linked mega battle cannons with co-axial autocannons
- 4x lascannons
- 4x twin-linked heavy bolters

It was more like a mobile fortress than a tank.


Yes!

So, do we have any ideas why it was canned? Too powerful? Too over-the-top?

Chaos and Evil
04-07-2006, 13:06
chaos, i stand corrected it was a scything taloned hyrodule!:(

That one also wasn't released all that recently (Several years ago).

I think you're thinking of the Trygon?

scavenseer
04-07-2006, 13:07
Im using a chaos tainted baneblade in a series of games i am playing with wolf sgt kirk in september. I just hope he does not kill it with St Sabbatine!

Inquisitor Maul
04-07-2006, 13:10
Just where in Gaunts Ghosts does it describe the Baneblade to be armed with an Earthshaker? I can't recall it.

Chaos and Evil
04-07-2006, 13:11
Yes! (Stormhammer)

So, do we have any ideas why it was canned? Too powerful? Too over-the-top?

It was dropped when Epic 2nd edition ended and 3rd edition began, about, 9-10 years ago?

I've a feeling that they were both regarded as too powerful for their class, and since they did everything a Baneblade can do (except better) they were also somewhat redundant.

With the Baneblade being the foremost all-round Superheavy tank, the Stormhammer was naturally withdrawn as in game terms, it walked all over a Baneblade with ease.

Those are my theories anyway.

It's also worth mentioning that the model was getting rather old by that time, and would have required a new sculpt in order to keep up with the new higher detailed 3rd edition models.

scavenseer
04-07-2006, 13:14
Just where in Gaunts Ghosts does it describe the Baneblade to be armed with an Earthshaker? I can't recall it.

In sabbatt Martyr, it is described as having a cannon to 'bombard targets from above'

Tarquinn
04-07-2006, 13:14
It was dropped when Epic 2nd edition ended and 3rd edition began, about, 9-10 years ago?

I've a feeling that they were both regarded as too powerful for their class, and since they did everything a Baneblade can do (except better) they were also somewhat redundant.

With the Baneblade being the foremost all-round Superheavy tank, the Stormhammer was naturally withdrawn as in game terms, it walked all over a Baneblade with ease.
True, it was basically two Baneblades packed into one hull.

devolutionary
04-07-2006, 13:18
In sabbatt Martyr, it is described as having a cannon to 'bombard targets from above'

How does that equate to Earthshaker? Battlecannons can fire indirectly in some cases (see Defiler) and there are other weapons that bombard without being Earthshakers (the Bombard springs to mind, funnily enough). This could be Abnett's perspective on a big gun, surely it can lob a shell in an arc. Hell, most guns do that anyway, to some degree. Even direct firing cannons can arc their fire in a similar way to a mortar/earthshaker, if they have the vertical movement to work with.

Jellicoe
04-07-2006, 13:23
I think if you look in the Blood pact fluff that appeared in the article on them in the White Dwarf (heh - article and White Dwarf, there's a bit of nostalgia) it states that the blood pact had a handful of superheavies that had been captured from imperial forces on some of the worlds they had over run. St. Sabbat used her sword of death to whip off the barrel of the mega cannon and then run through the driver (still in his seat under armour).

Is the Urdeshi AT83 pattern a super heavy variant or is it a Russ variant?

@scavenseer - a chaos baneblade with a parasitic hull would be nasty!

scavenseer
04-07-2006, 13:25
I think if you look in the Blood pact fluff that appeared in the article on them in the White Dwarf (heh - article and White Dwarf, there's a bit of nostalgia) it states that the blood pact had a handful of superheavies that had been captured from imperial forces on some of the worlds they had over run. St. Sabbat used her sword of death to whip off the barrel of the mega cannon and then run through the driver (still in his seat under armour).

Is the Urdeshi AT83 pattern a super heavy variant or is it a Russ variant?

@scavenseer - a chaos baneblade with a parasitic hull would be nasty!

i am folowing the books to the letter, so unfortunaltly i cannot give it a parastitic hull, i can however give it obscene markings and some new rules for terror based on noise marines

Inquisitor Maul
04-07-2006, 13:52
Is the Urdeshi AT83 pattern a super heavy variant or is it a Russ variant?



It's a local tank that has pretty much the same capabilities of a Russ (don't know if then look the same though).

nevermore
04-07-2006, 14:16
Its not even a tank its a mobile fortress that if anyone played against me i would pick it up and insert it directly up the imperium!!

Eduard
04-07-2006, 15:55
And why would that be? You can destroy it with 3 lascannon shots and some luck.. ok, maybe a ton of luck, but still, they're not that bad, as long as you're told before hand of their use.

Jellicoe
04-07-2006, 16:19
i am folowing the books to the letter, so unfortunaltly i cannot give it a parastitic hull, i can however give it obscene markings and some new rules for terror based on noise marines

Excellent! Isnt there a special slaaneshi vehicle rule for sonic amplifiers or something

I do like the idea of the vehicle being covered in obscene graffiti and anglo saxon hand gestures!:evilgrin:

There was a very cool slaaneshi army that featured in a WD battle report vs necrons awhile back that had some very excellent vehicles in it.

hellfire
04-07-2006, 16:22
hey thanks for saying what baneblades are armed with but does anyone know what stormswords and shadowswords are armed with

Chaos and Evil
04-07-2006, 16:26
hey thanks for saying what baneblades are armed with but does anyone know what stormswords and shadowswords are armed with

They're armed with weapons that have no direct equivilent in the normal 40k rules, at least for their main guns.



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