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dwarf114
12-06-2015, 13:55
So i wanted to buy some imperial guard sets on amazon but the cant be shipped to Australia why is this? (didnt know where to put this thread)

Konovalev
12-06-2015, 14:10
Ask the seller on amazon.

dwarf114
12-06-2015, 14:20
thanks for the suggestion that didnt even occur to me.

dwarf114
12-06-2015, 14:31
Also while on this topic would you happen to know any other Australian retailer alternatives? ive looked at a store, Black cultist the prices seem pretty good. does anyone have experience with this seller?

Wintermute
12-06-2015, 17:36
It is GW policy to restrict trade accounts selling to countries outside of their geographic sales region ie a trade customer in the UK can only sell items to individuals within Europe and cannot sell items to those in North America, South America, Australia etc.

Therefore you can only buy GW items in Australia from companies within GW's Australasia Sales Region.

Colonel Alexi
12-06-2015, 20:49
^ this, GW got sick of Aussies buying overseas and shipping here. Heck you could buy from GW UK and ship it to Australia and it still would be cheaper. You know obviously the logical choice instead of you know dropping prices.

Try Combatcompany they have nice discounts, but it is a limited range.

ehlijen
13-06-2015, 23:13
There is the option of second hand products (not to be confused with ebay stores, which these days won't give much of a discount by aussie standards). Of course second hand always has the drawbacks of limited selection, reduced quality (paintjobs that need to be stripped, fully assembled, not including any optional bits etc).

Vulgarsty
14-06-2015, 00:59
There is the option of second hand products (not to be confused with ebay stores, which these days won't give much of a discount by aussie standards). Of course second hand always has the drawbacks of limited selection, reduced quality (paintjobs that need to be stripped, fully assembled, not including any optional bits etc).

Yeah but it feels so much more righteous knowing your not contributing to Kirby's dividends and comfortable old age. So many times I think about a purchase from GW and wonder how I can game it so I reward the architect of this sort of customer abuse as little as possible.

I'm sure the current management of GW will take this opportunity to wish me well in my latest Warhamster (c, tm, no rights reserved, chapterhouse - hahaha!, there is no god but our IP) Kislev project - ah! to think it could all have been so different - if only they had taken a leaf out of Harry Selfridge's book. Still these commercial titans running GW wouldn't know whether, as a customer, I am "always right" as they don't deign to do "market research" but I am happy to tell them gratis that I shifted my custom to Mantic for my last big army drop (and warlord games - for the "Kislev" winged lancers) and titan forge etc

So I guess it's "Bye GW and thanks for all the fish" (and yes I do miss specialist games too)

ehlijen
14-06-2015, 01:25
Yeah but it feels so much more righteous knowing your not contributing to Kirby's dividends and comfortable old age. So many times I think about a purchase from GW and wonder how I can game it so I reward the architect of this sort of customer abuse as little as possible.



That's a twisted attitude. There is nothing righteous about buying or not buying toys. You want them, buy them. You don't, don't. You don't like the company? Don't use their products, including their game rules. But you're not taking a stand, you're just deciding how to entertain yourself (that's all games and toys do).

I've stopped buying GW stuff because I don't like what they do. But that's just me not wasting money, not a crusade against evil or stupidity.

Herzlos
14-06-2015, 12:25
You can like the game whilst not liking the company...

Vulgarsty
14-06-2015, 18:20
That's a twisted attitude. There is nothing righteous about buying or not buying toys. You want them, buy them. You don't, don't. You don't like the company? Don't use their products, including their game rules. But you're not taking a stand, you're just deciding how to entertain yourself (that's all games and toys do).

I've stopped buying GW stuff because I don't like what they do. But that's just me not wasting money, not a crusade against evil or stupidity.

No it's different. this arouses passions - or loyalties in a way that shopping in Marksies vs Waitrose doesn't. People invest heavily in their hobbies and GW is more like a football club in that regard - more than a business and seeing - as so often with football - a dreadful chairman run your club/game whatever in to the ground means it does become a crusade - are all the Man U, Hull, Cardiff fans all idiots in fighting back because their clubs are "only a business"? like I say I'm not going to picket tescos for changing the recipe of their prawn mayo sarnies - tescos haven't created a hobby world of sarnies that I've invested thousands of pounds building a bread bound snack collection from. Tescos are "just" a business - GW are also the custodians of something bigger in addition.

ehlijen
15-06-2015, 02:29
If you're so invested that you can't stop wanting the product of a company you hate, I dare say you may have gone too far and are making yourself vulnerable to the sunken cost fallacy for GW to exploit.

You hate the company? Don't buy their product. It's toys. There are other toys that can be just as fulfilling.
You don't want to give up the game? Keep playing, fun to you is fun to you. But then the company is clearly not true evil.

If you feel GW needs to be boycotted, do it. But accept that boycotting means that you won't buy, and thus have, their stuff. You either dislike them enough to quit, or tolerate them enough to keep playing.
You can also sit on the fence, which is what most of us are doing, by playing the game but griping about GW at every opportunity lol but that's not righteous in the slightest. That's arm chair CEO-ing, which is a time honoured pub tradition, but not something anyone should take too seriously.

Doi
15-06-2015, 03:40
Also while on this topic would you happen to know any other Australian retailer alternatives? ive looked at a store, Black cultist the prices seem pretty good. does anyone have experience with this seller?

I've used Black Cultist for years now, ever since my FLGS closed its doors. Only ever had one hiccup and that was when half the order got back-ordered and GW took a few weeks to get them new stock, and then they ended up with two half orders sitting there wondering when the other halves would show...

I've also tried Bunker Games who are marginally cheaper (and free shipping for me since I'm in Melbourne) but they seem to require reminder e-mails to actually send the parcel.


Doi

mhsellwood
15-06-2015, 05:54
My experience:

Combat Company is very reliable and ship very quickly. Not the cheapest (although free shipping at $150+) and not everything is in stock.

Bunker Games. Only one order, done because with a sale they were cheaper than Combat Company. Took about 6 weeks to get me the box.

Black Cultist. Have just placed an order with them, but my brother in law uses them a lot and is very happy with them.

By and large I have used Combat Company and have been happy with them.

Doi
15-06-2015, 07:20
Black Cultist. Have just placed an order with them, but my brother in law uses them a lot and is very happy with them.

They used to operate as an online only, nothing on hand business (place order with GW on Tuesday, ship orders Wednesday, new releases the Friday before release), but they recently opened a shop front although I don't know if they keep extra stock on hand for online orders now or not.

I had a quick look on Combat Company's website, and it appears that it goes Bunker Games -> Black Cultist -> Combat Company in terms of increasing price, but they seem to be a pretty good source of non-GW products.


Doi

Vulgarsty
16-06-2015, 19:20
If you're so invested that you can't stop wanting the product of a company you hate, I dare say you may have gone too far and are making yourself vulnerable to the sunken cost fallacy for GW to exploit.

You hate the company? Don't buy their product. It's toys. There are other toys that can be just as fulfilling.
You don't want to give up the game? Keep playing, fun to you is fun to you. But then the company is clearly not true evil.

If you feel GW needs to be boycotted, do it. But accept that boycotting means that you won't buy, and thus have, their stuff. You either dislike them enough to quit, or tolerate them enough to keep playing.
You can also sit on the fence, which is what most of us are doing, by playing the game but griping about GW at every opportunity lol but that's not righteous in the slightest. That's arm chair CEO-ing, which is a time honoured pub tradition, but not something anyone should take too seriously.

maybe you have a point. I should chill a bit. Its just my chief (not exclusive but chief) hobby so I'm not exactly thrilled by the current management team's guardianship of that hobby. I'll wait and see what AoS is like though but I am not expecting great things

BFalcon
17-06-2015, 09:09
No it's different. this arouses passions - or loyalties in a way that shopping in Marksies vs Waitrose doesn't. People invest heavily in their hobbies and GW is more like a football club in that regard - more than a business and seeing - as so often with football - a dreadful chairman run your club/game whatever in to the ground means it does become a crusade - are all the Man U, Hull, Cardiff fans all idiots in fighting back because their clubs are "only a business"? like I say I'm not going to picket tescos for changing the recipe of their prawn mayo sarnies - tescos haven't created a hobby world of sarnies that I've invested thousands of pounds building a bread bound snack collection from. Tescos are "just" a business - GW are also the custodians of something bigger in addition.

Classic case: Newcastle United fans vs Sports Direct (et al).

A business is a business, it's true... including sports teams and long-term IPs... but part of the benefit of a long-term IP or a franchise with an identity is customer loyalty. However, customer expectation and backlash are the flip side of that - if you betray the perceptions and expectations of your fanbase, expect a large amount of negative publicity for a while... keep it up and all that built up customer loyalty suddenly becomes a noose around the company's neck.

In the case of Newcastle United, see also: St James' Park... and the outrage that came from the name change by the (then) new owner to the Sports Direct Arena... they've since reinstated (officially) the old name on the grounds, although the fans never stopped using the old name...

(I'm not a Newcastle fan btw - just remembered the story and thought it relevant).

Never underestimate those who's passions you exploited to get your sales figures up - they WILL come back to haunt you if you change direction too quickly... which is, I think, why GW is finding it harder to make ground now - most of those with any passion have been chased off and all GW is left with, for the most part, are those who are "meh" about the hobby and aren't going to suddenly foam at the mouth about the latest releases like GW's older customers would have done.

Vulgarsty
17-06-2015, 20:57
Classic case: Newcastle United fans vs Sports Direct (et al).

A business is a business, it's true... including sports teams and long-term IPs... but part of the benefit of a long-term IP or a franchise with an identity is customer loyalty. However, customer expectation and backlash are the flip side of that - if you betray the perceptions and expectations of your fanbase, expect a large amount of negative publicity for a while... keep it up and all that built up customer loyalty suddenly becomes a noose around the company's neck.

In the case of Newcastle United, see also: St James' Park... and the outrage that came from the name change by the (then) new owner to the Sports Direct Arena... they've since reinstated (officially) the old name on the grounds, although the fans never stopped using the old name...

(I'm not a Newcastle fan btw - just remembered the story and thought it relevant).

Never underestimate those who's passions you exploited to get your sales figures up - they WILL come back to haunt you if you change direction too quickly... which is, I think, why GW is finding it harder to make ground now - most of those with any passion have been chased off and all GW is left with, for the most part, are those who are "meh" about the hobby and aren't going to suddenly foam at the mouth about the latest releases like GW's older customers would have done.

Yes the newcastle example is a good one and you have articulated the "more than reducing it to just a business" argument better than I did.

Nobody gets this worked up about supermarkets it's directly analagous to how sports fans feel.

ModernKiwi
18-06-2015, 04:27
OP: Have a look at Australia Post's Shopmate service. (https://shopmate.auspost.com.au/) Gives you a US shipping address which means that even places that only do US services can ship to you.

NZ's equivalent service also has a UK and a China address so I'm sure AusPost will catch up before too long - that said I still use the US address as the UK one means you get 20% VAT added on while the US one is in Oregon where there's 0% sales taxes.

Kalidane
19-06-2015, 16:14
Yes the newcastle example is a good one and you have articulated the "more than reducing it to just a business" argument better than I did.

Nobody gets this worked up about supermarkets it's directly analagous to how sports fans feel.

Also a dramatic shift from having many highly enthusiastic gamers proselytising the games. Those same people have for years been encouraging curious newbs to try other games. The 'network effect' in action.

GW stores were never the most effective introduction to the hobby - it was those 3 guys in high school playing at lunchtime, one of whom started the group off after seeing the cool stuff his older brother had; things of that nature.

For me it was my mums friends son who had a bunch of Grenadier minis. Coolest things I had ever seen. Decades later I rent a storage unit for my collection...

ehlijen
21-06-2015, 01:00
maybe you have a point. I should chill a bit. Its just my chief (not exclusive but chief) hobby so I'm not exactly thrilled by the current management team's guardianship of that hobby. I'll wait and see what AoS is like though but I am not expecting great things

It's natural to feel disappointed by what GW is doing, unless you happen to be in their shrinking target market.

But the models and even the background aren't married to those rules or that company. Write your own rules, check out the competition, adapt the competition's rules to work for your chosen models and background. I've found refuge in other games I enjoy and am writing my own (kudos to my friends for putting up with that :) ).
I must admit to some schadenfreude-like catharsis from keeping an eye on what GW is doing, or maybe I've still not fully given up hope they'll turn around? In any case, hating GW is far less fulfilling than trying to like something else if you can't like them anymore.