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Shadowsinner
25-06-2015, 05:22
so as we approach the edge of the next edition, for weeks I have seen people argue that the changes at hand have convinced them to stop playing... I also saw this when the rumors of 8th edition were floating around. So the question for all of you is, at what point would finally say forget it and quit playing entirely? If it was due to rising prices, how high would they have to be? would it be rules? would it be model options or quality? what would be your thing?

Just Tony
25-06-2015, 05:29
Stop entirely? As in no Oldhammer? Death would stop me. Stop playing current GW books and stop endorsing their systems by buy from secondary market instead of them directly? Already happened when 8th came out.

taurus-marstein
25-06-2015, 05:37
Prices I see as not much of an issue. They will never raise them THAT high.

The rules are my thing, and I think thats the thing for most players... if they make us go to a skirmish game with round bases, do you really think a lot of people are gonna clip guys of of bases and rebase stuff? No. F that.

What I suggest: Fill out your armies now, get all the units you want (at least 3k points per army would be good) then just stop buying, just play 8th and dont hold your breath for AoS. If it sucks it sucks, but don't stop playing fantasy, just play 8th.

mhsellwood
25-06-2015, 05:46
Similar to Just Tony.

Can't see myself stopping playing Warhammer or alternative fantasy wargames ever. On the other hand I buy models from a variety of producers already, and GW gets the lions share because I enjoy the model aesthetics and for me they strike a good balance between price and quality (i.e. no other producer has for me the same quality and aesthetics when balanced against what you pay).

So, to be fair I can't see any likely situation where I buy nothing from GW unless there is a significant aesthetic shift and there is an alternative supplier who has the same appeal to me.

Smooth Boy
25-06-2015, 06:07
While rules, price and model quality all have an effect on how much I spend, it would never make me quit entirety. A bad army book wouldn't put me off too much because I know it'll be changed in a few years (nothing in wargameing terms). I tend to spend the same amount each year, so increased prices just meant I got less for my money and I just avoid bad models or convert them. I have to say though, AoS is pushing me close to leaving. It represents a break from Warhammer since AoS's lore is no longer connected, this has broke my link of nostalgia and I no longer feel this is the same game I started with. So now it is relying solely on its rules, price and quality like every other game, and I feel it won't live up to my expectations.

scruffyryan
25-06-2015, 09:55
Already there, i'm dumping my tomb kings, ogres, and wood elves for about 10-20% retail, and black templars for about 25% retail. The money will be funneled into a mixture of bills and privateer press, as its the going concern in my area nowadays.

Far as I'm concerned, warhammer had a good long run, but i'm not willing to give money to GW anymore.

Cutter
25-06-2015, 10:23
so as we approach the edge of the next edition, for weeks I have seen people argue that the changes at hand have convinced them to stop playing... I also saw this when the rumors of 8th edition were floating around. So the question for all of you is, at what point would finally say F--k it and quit playing entirely? If it was due to rising prices, how high would they have to be? would it be rules? would it be model options or quality? what would be your thing?

Being told the last 30 years were the preface to Age of Ziggy Played Guitar.*

I've got my editions 1st thru 8th, ditto on army books, plus net books for things like Dogs of War.

I only play with my friends, they've no huge desire to play Ziggy as yet.

There are enough miniatures out there, be they on ebay or alternative manufacturers like Mantic or Avatrs of War, to supply a new army, should I fancy a go at one.

Warhammer doesn't have to last forever, just until I'm dead, and I have enough resources at hand to ensure that :-)

Sorry you couldn't monetise me GW, but I'd rather give my cash to the people who used to work for you (Rick, Paul, Allessio, Ronnie, Gav) than the current crop of faceless corporate drones and suits.

*probably by someone who wasn't alive 30 years ago.

Allen
25-06-2015, 12:19
What would it really take to quit?

Simply realizing that you're a CUSTOMER, and not a...well, literally a junkie. If some people feel compelled to buy products they don't like/need/want out of a misplaced sense of brand loyalty or a naive hope they somehow will get what they like/need/want...well, those people have far bigger problems than Age of Sigmar being good or bad. Problems that probably should be addressed with the help of a specialist.
In order to "quit" GW you have to simply behave like an intelligent customer.

Is GW able to satisfy my interests or needs? If yes, their products/experiences/whatever are correctly priced? If yes, can I afford it? People should start asking those question, and then decide if and what to buy. The amount of people on this forum willing to throw hard-earned cash to GW in order to buy something they ALREADY KNOW they will not like/use/need is staggering...the amount of people who do this and then have the spine to moan and whine about GW is mind-boggling.

thesoundofmusica
25-06-2015, 12:27
Having a great time playing 8th (not as much as I'd like but such is life with job, kids etc.). I like most of the new models and metal being done with is also great. I started collecting dwarfs mostly due to their new look, again great! If Age of Sigmar looks fun we'll most likely get into it. I dunno, price was never an issue for me and I cant see that changing. I'm happy with what I'm getting.

The only thing I really miss is the old WD.

Groza
25-06-2015, 12:28
I'm the same as tony on this, except I have very limited options on people to play and so AoS will likely be the end of my time in the hobby if people follow it.

Ramius4
25-06-2015, 13:53
Death. I have no reason to quit playing Warhammer. What GW does with the game is irrelevant for me. I have a group that I've been playing games with for 22 years, and they're all willing to keep playing 8th forever.

HelloKitty
25-06-2015, 14:00
I wouldn't quit. Tabletop gaming is something I've enjoyed for almost thirty years of my life and I'm not going to stop now.

Stopping with GW? Well that would have to be more specific - basically when a viable alternative comes out that engages me like WHFB and 40k do I would stop with GW.

There are no viable mass combat fantasy games other than Kings of War, which is currently too bland for me to enjoy (I've tried twice) and there are no alternates for 40k other than one of over a dozen skirmish games - and I'm not really into skirmish scale games.

Whenever a new edition lands though you can be assured that there will be a lot of people threatening to quit. Thats been that way since the internet became a thing.

Rake
25-06-2015, 14:26
Simple. Them invalidating my collection, whether in whole or even in part. One or two models becoming unit fillers or some such ok. Entire units or even units becoming 10 man pasty things? Never. 7 fully painted armies at over 10K points each and I wouldn't even look back.

Hoffa
25-06-2015, 14:37
Quit 8:th edition and older: Death: not play AoS: Not being able to use current collection i new game in a meanings full way. I'm not intrested in a yasg (yet another skirmish game)

Sothron
25-06-2015, 14:43
My beef is not with models or rules. It is with the lore and setting. Not only do I own practically all GW/BL books but I also play games like the WHRPG, the FFG Invasion card game and still play on the free emulator of Warhammer Age of Reckoning, the now defunct MMORPG set in the Old World. That is what may get me to stop. I don't actually care about skirmish or massed ranks that much. But changing the lore by completely destroying the existing world and factions? Yeah, that hits me right in the jibblies to quote my Black Orc from WAR.

jtrowell
25-06-2015, 16:21
While I will look at what the new game brings and probably try it, especially if the main rulebook happens to include complete rules for all/most existing armies (similar to the ravening hordes book from 6th edition) and if the rules are decent and somewhat balanced.

If however they don't even include ranked units at all like some rumours say, then it will probably be the small push that I need to finally convert my group to Kings of War.

My group has been playing Warhammer and refusing to even test KoW mainly for two reasons :

A- that they played in the "official" game for the Warhammer universe that we all like
B- that they were sure that all their models were useable and not as simple proxies, again thanks to their armies being 'official'

- By rebooting the setting, even if the new one happens to be similar to the previous, GW has already weakened point A
- By making the game change in a way that go to round bases and remove ranked units (if this rumour is true) and potentially invalidating some existing armies, they seems to be about to take point B in a dark alley to murder it. :D
- And by doing no communication at all for all thoses month, GW allowed my friends to already start thinking about other games, so that even if AoS happens to be decent, a seed has already been planted so that they might try Kings of War anyway.

And now with mantic and the RC making lists for minor factions that will make even easier to use our existing models for Kings of War, things looks rather good for us. :P

GW, you are your own worst enemy, goodbye and thank you for all the fish. :rolleyes:

thesoundofmusica
25-06-2015, 17:29
I think expectations are off. I've been playing Warhammer for nearly 20 years. They could perhaps be more open about what's going on... But we'll know in two weeks anyways. It doesnt bother me... really... at all.

I remember the official forums by the way, just a huge mess.

snyggejygge
25-06-2015, 18:08
I would never really quit, as long as I have my models, my rules & a friend to play with I can continue my gaming, whether I play the latest edition an earlier or even another game I am still active, maybe not just the target audience.

ColShaw
25-06-2015, 18:44
I used to think I was just taking a break. That I'd get back into the game once my pace of life slowed down, and I got a little less stressed.

I no longer think that. 8th WFB and 6th 40K pretty much killed my local community of gamers, and since I myself didn't much enjoy them, I had no incentive to keep up with the new stuff. I'd still play the older versions, I suppose, except that as I said, the community itself is dead. I have no one to play with.

So I guess I'm done. I'm keeping my armies; I still play roleplaying games, and find the minis useful for them. I'll probably bust them out every now and then. But a combination of things, both internal, external, and from GW directly, have killed it for me. :(

mbh1127
25-06-2015, 19:02
Stop entirely? As in no Oldhammer? Death would stop me. Stop playing current GW books and stop endorsing their systems by buy from secondary market instead of them directly? .

This


I would probably stop if I could find an easy way to sell all of my armies and hobby supplies. I have models, paints, and books, so why not keep playing a past edition if the new rules suck...but I wouldnt mind being out if I could get a fair rice for everything.


Gw's prices are already too high for me. Secondhand models and old stuff have been my main source of models for the last few years. It seems that GW maintains the philosophy that it's better to charge outrageous prices for models and accept that some customers will stop purchasing products. I'm in that group that had to slow down my GW buying habits and ultimately discontinue completely.

Voss
25-06-2015, 19:10
I'm more like ColShaw. I've already functionally quit, and I don't buy anymore. It would take a lot to get me to play warhammer again, including finding others who actually play it regularly. Without opponents, nothing would drag me back. Even with potential opponents, I'm more likely to play something that isn't GW. Like WM/H, which I currently play, and I've been contemplating wrath of kings, since the LGS owner was trying to sell me on it Monday.

Ramius4
25-06-2015, 19:17
I remember the official forums by the way, just a huge mess.

They were awful. They could have doubled the number of moderators and I still think it would have been out of control. It's actually understandable why they shut them down, and I'm certainly no GW apologist.

Marauder Carl
25-06-2015, 20:44
If ColShaw's reply had a baby with mbh1127's post that has a second head grafted to it that reads: "thought I would return when Brettonia or Beastmen got their update", you would have my monster.

I still want to paint though just for the sake of it. The termination of the fluff isn't a big deal (to me) because it was frozen for so long anyway. The frequent retcons more annoying, and the fact the the new fluff reuses elements of the old screws with it too, so you either accept it, or brick yourself in. A completely new background would lack any familiarity though, so the pros outweigh the cons especially for a relaunch.

I'll evaluate the new game independent of WHFB and alongside the competition: ruleset, community, and affordability of the others vs brand loyalty & utility of my existing collection.

Since we current fans are too few in numbers and too saturated in miniatures to matter, I wish the next evolution of the new game success with the next generation. Live long & prosper.

Comicgeek aside: Watched Epic History X-MEN Volume 1 : The 60s Era (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvWDjHWgNgc) yesterday and the Giant Sized Issue relaunch in '75 made me think of the possible potential for a rebooted future for fantasy- though it feels like the early 90's period where the old greats left and the new artists came in. Hoping we get Todd McFarlaine or Jim Lee instead of a Rob Liefield, though we'll likely get a little of both- the former in the miniatures, the latter in the fluff and rules.

(oh- been listening to Ziggy Stardust for an hour now- Original & Bauhaus cover... so thanks for that)

Just Tony
25-06-2015, 22:42
This


I would probably stop if I could find an easy way to sell all of my armies and hobby supplies. I have models, paints, and books, so why not keep playing a past edition if the new rules suck...but I wouldnt mind being out if I could get a fair rice for everything.


Gw's prices are already too high for me. Secondhand models and old stuff have been my main source of models for the last few years. It seems that GW maintains the philosophy that it's better to charge outrageous prices for models and accept that some customers will stop purchasing products. I'm in that group that had to slow down my GW buying habits and ultimately discontinue completely.

Rice, huh? I can GET you rice.

Joking aside, don't get rid of any armies unless you're completely confident you'll never want to play them again. I sold 15 armies between WFB and 40K and I regret quite a bit.


If ColShaw's reply had a baby with mbh1127's post that has a second head grafted to it that reads: "thought I would return when Brettonia or Beastmen got their update", you would have my monster.

I still want to paint though just for the sake of it. The termination of the fluff isn't a big deal (to me) because it was frozen for so long anyway. The frequent retcons more annoying, and the fact the the new fluff reuses elements of the old screws with it too, so you either accept it, or brick yourself in. A completely new background would lack any familiarity though, so the pros outweigh the cons especially for a relaunch.

I'll evaluate the new game independent of WHFB and alongside the competition: ruleset, community, and affordability of the others vs brand loyalty & utility of my existing collection.

Since we current fans are too few in numbers and too saturated in miniatures to matter, I wish the next evolution of the new game success with the next generation. Live long & prosper.

Comicgeek aside: Watched Epic History X-MEN Volume 1 : The 60s Era (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvWDjHWgNgc) yesterday and the Giant Sized Issue relaunch in '75 made me think of the possible potential for a rebooted future for fantasy- though it feels like the early 90's period where the old greats left and the new artists came in. Hoping we get Todd McFarlaine or Jim Lee instead of a Rob Liefield, though we'll likely get a little of both- the former in the miniatures, the latter in the fluff and rules.

(oh- been listening to Ziggy Stardust for an hour now- Original & Bauhaus cover... so thanks for that)

No no no no no.

This isn't going to be Giant Sized X-Men #1. This is going to be Ultraverse: Black September. Mark my words...

Just Tony
25-06-2015, 22:43
Better question to ask, what would it take you to come back?

Marauder Carl
25-06-2015, 23:46
No no no no no.

This isn't going to be Giant Sized X-Men #1. This is going to be Ultraverse: Black September. Mark my words...

Oooooooooh! I just familiarized myself with it. I agree with you. The article I found (http://www.multiversitycomics.com/columns/crossed-out-crossovers-black-september/) read like pre-deja vu.

But, I'm trying my best to not spoil the hopes of others before the 11th, and if it turns out to be true I will skedaddle off again not to be heard for awhile.

All it would take to come back would be players. I'll play a sub-par game if I'm enjoying the miniature painting side of it- (why I don't already do PP and most other alternatives) ...I won't promote it, but I'll paint and play it (which is still promotion when seen).

The_Real_Chris
26-06-2015, 00:01
Better question to ask, what would it take you to come back?

Simply? Good rules and lists. My dragon horde of models won't go anywhere, and sadly the unpainted section will continue to grow faster than the painted, but I am always willing to play a good game. I would right now pop round the club for a game of blood bowl, BFG or EpicA because they are all fun games with good enough rules (BFG being the weakest link rules wise).

Maybe AoS will join them. But really, GW seem to be in the business of crushing hopes and dreams :) so I withhold judgment!


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scruffyryan
26-06-2015, 01:26
Better question to ask, what would it take you to come back?

Nothin, im done, i want the 25 feet of wall space occupied by GW stuff at the local store to be filled with other products sent forth by better companies at this point.

Ayin
26-06-2015, 02:20
Rice, huh? I can GET you rice.

Joking aside, don't get rid of any armies unless you're completely confident you'll never want to play them again. I sold 15 armies between WFB and 40K and I regret quite a bit.



No no no no no.

This isn't going to be Giant Sized X-Men #1. This is going to be Ultraverse: Black September. Mark my words...

Wow, there's a comparison of references I don't see too often.


I loved 8th. After the @#$%ing abomination that was 7th (with my close gaming group that had two Vampire Counts players, Demon player, and two Dark Elf players facing off against a Tomb Kings player, O&G player and my Empire/Dow...) 8th was wonderful. It had it's problems, some of them were fixed by GW, some of them are addressed by other groups if you want to use their changes, but overall it was great.

I'm willing to wait and see what AoS has going for it. I don't think it's going to be Giant Sized X-Men by ANY stretch of the imagination, but if it turns out to be the death of Ultraverse level, I have no doubt I'll still easily be able to find games of 8th with a huge community of gamers.

Just Tony
26-06-2015, 02:45
Wow, there's a comparison of references I don't see too often.


I loved 8th. After the @#$%ing abomination that was 7th (with my close gaming group that had two Vampire Counts players, Demon player, and two Dark Elf players facing off against a Tomb Kings player, O&G player and my Empire/Dow...) 8th was wonderful. It had it's problems, some of them were fixed by GW, some of them are addressed by other groups if you want to use their changes, but overall it was great.

I'm willing to wait and see what AoS has going for it. I don't think it's going to be Giant Sized X-Men by ANY stretch of the imagination, but if it turns out to be the death of Ultraverse level, I have no doubt I'll still easily be able to find games of 8th with a huge community of gamers.

Yeah, when the Ultraverse was out it was the only company I bought books from, and I subscribed to each title. Black September hit me really hard.


My bro and I were already discussing building new 6th Ed. armies after I unloaded all of mine. We're actually excited about WFB for the first time since the 7th Ed. VC book came out and killed our interest.

Ayin
26-06-2015, 03:16
Sitting in my kitchen one morning with a pot of coffee and the new 8th edition rulebook and then reading through it was the most excited I've ever been for Warhammer
(got into it at the very tail end of 5th). Running straight into Demons/Vamps in 7th nearly knocked me out of the hobby. It also pretty much split our gaming group in half where people from the B tier and below played each other and had no real interest in getting games in with the A tier (or S tier for Demons).

If AoS has a good rule system and is a fun game, and it's still Warhammer, I'll be in it. If it's a good system and fun but it's NOT Warhammer, maybe I'll go join every other person I know who games and has pretty much jumped ship for WarmaHordes and X-Wing, but I'll definitely still play 8th when I get the chance.

Geep
26-06-2015, 05:39
Stop entirely? As in no Oldhammer? Death would stop me. Stop playing current GW books and stop endorsing their systems by buy from secondary market instead of them directly? Already happened when 8th came out.
This is my answer to the original question as well. Though death probably still won't stop me- it'll be an inconvenience, no doubt :skull:
One other factor are that my gaming group disbanded (due to a combination of 8th and regular life events).

More quoting of Just Tony...

Better question to ask, what would it take you to come back?
To actually buy current things: If I found a gaming group in my new local area, willing to play an edition I liked (or who house-ruled the hell out of 8th), and if the aesthetic still matches the armies I have (and can be a plausible counts-as).
If AoS is actually a good game and gains a local following that may also do it, but I highly doubt that. It's need to be an incredible game to take me away from the other, better things I currently play. GW's recent track record has shown they have no idea how to make good games anymore (not a surprise, when you look at the names of those who've left them!).

Confessor_Atol
26-06-2015, 06:15
Interesting question... I dropped out, in large part, 2 and a half years ago when I had my kiddo. I loved 8th and figured I'd get back to playing after the stress of a child simmered down a bit. That never really happened. So now I'm almost 3 years on and have only picked up a box of wood elf archers in that time. I'm nervous about AOS, but I'm willing to keep an eye on the warhammer universe to see what happens. GW has been aces a blowing it in the past, so I can't say I'm not worried. I guess I'm at the edge of my "fade to black" and I could go either way... It's your move workshop.

Avian
26-06-2015, 07:02
So the question for all of you is, at what point would finally say forget it and quit playing entirely?
Everyone else locally stopped playing and moved on to a different game.

Spiney Norman
26-06-2015, 14:09
They were awful. They could have doubled the number of moderators and I still think it would have been out of control. It's actually understandable why they shut them down, and I'm certainly no GW apologist.

Oh absolutely, I remember the nasty place that was the gw forums, and people call Warseer whiney. However I think their reaction was extreme, they didn't just shut down the forum, they progressively withdrew from every avenue of customer engagement and effected barricaded themselves inside a cave. All we're left with is an app and weekly email which only tells us stuff we've already known for at least a week. I can't help but feel there is a happy (or at least acceptable) medium somewhere between the two extremes.

I've done a lot of thinking about this question since this thread has been up, I'm not sure what it would take for me to ditch the whole hobby and not give it a backward glance, but the reality is I've functionally quit warhammer a long time ago, I've literally played about two games of wfb since christmas, and none at all in the last three months. If GW did (as they should have done) and followed ET: Archaon immediately with the Age of Sigmar things might've been different, but other than casting the odd glance over this forum board when Inhave nothing better to do I've been playing other games almost exclusively for the last half a year.

DeathGlam
26-06-2015, 15:09
For me, i would stop playing GW games and buying GW miniatures when i stop enjoying myself, right now though im currently having more fun at my current gaming club then i have had in my entire 15 plus years wargaming.

That is helped by not feeling the need to play the latest release by GW if it does not appeal, im already playing an old version of 40k, a dropped specialist game and a former GW board game from the 90s.

I will continue to play mass ranked battles of Fantasy when i want to but im looking forward to seeing what GW does with 9th/AoS, find out if myself and a bunch of guys from my club will be buying into it.

VMBTS
26-06-2015, 15:51
I think the essential thing is to have a group of friends that have your same concept/idea of fun for Warhammer. With that it's hard to let it go. Without it, hard to get back in after a pause.

7 or 8 years ago I stopped buying, painting, playing for other reasons (studies, moving around, etc...). The ET thing got me kinda back interested (though it was terrible), I even dugout my old minis from the storage room. But then realized I had no one to play the way I did so decided to refrain my initial idea. I don't mind much considering the direction the game is taking, but might still stick around painting and modeling minis as I use to do (probably was my favorite part of the hobby anyways).

aprilmanha
26-06-2015, 15:58
When the people in the local area collectively move to another game system is when I stop playing... which was about 8 months ago anyway :P
Malifaux is making the rounds currently with people getting more into it!

notts
26-06-2015, 16:07
Probably when the first pictures of warhammer 20k Sigmarines are leaked.

oh, wait.. woops.

mbh1127
26-06-2015, 16:10
Rice, huh? I can GET you rice.

Joking aside, don't get rid of any armies unless you're completely confident you'll never want to play them again. I sold 15 armies between WFB and 40K and I regret quite a bit.



No no no no no.

This isn't going to be Giant Sized X-Men #1. This is going to be Ultraverse: Black September. Mark my words...

how much rice are we talking?


I already know I would regret it. I've sold three vintage 40k armies in the past that still makes me feel shame every day.

It's more that I can't be partially into this hobby. It's all or nothing for me. My current collection is comprised of most of my past and current favorite models. But it's a time consuming hobby. Part of me wants out but that would require getting rid of everything. Pretty much impossible.

Sothron
26-06-2015, 16:59
Everyone else locally stopped playing and moved on to a different game.

That's pretty much my situation now. The few WHFB players are already selling their armies or sold them. I don't know if I can bring myself to sell the thousands of dollars I've sunk since the mid to late 80's on a hobby for pennies on the dollar. Probably just leave the armies in their carry cases in storage until I die and my wife can see if she can something for them.

de Selby
27-06-2015, 06:02
I don't know if I'm out already. It seems I am. I haven't bought any GW figs for a year because I was moving house and I decided to paint everything I had already. Damn near succeeded. I don't know what Warhammer figs I'm ever going to buy again now.

I'm more of a 40k person but I have made night goblin, VC and skaven armies just for fun. I like collecting and painting armies. Over the last decade I've been sequentially priced out of buying GW units of metals, individual metals, individual plastics, books and supplements, units of plastics, and most recently battalion/battleforce boxes. I'm still in the market for starter sets and those X vs Y campaign boxes they've been doing recently for 40k.

I've just seen the latest starter set. I'll take a closer look at the chaos stuff (and the price/rules) but I'm not enthusiastic about the sigmarites. I don't know if I'm going to get rules to use my existing WFB stuff (at a sensible price). I don't see how I'm still a Warhammer customer.

For a while now I've felt like GW management was holding the Warhammer/40k worlds hostage, demanding more and more from their customers to continue participating in these game worlds that are as old as I am. It's been... tense... for years. They've just shot Warhammer Fantasy Battle in the head. That's over.

Am I still a 40k customer? They still make cool models for 40k but in all other respects it feels... precarious.

Ayin
27-06-2015, 06:43
Probably when the first pictures of warhammer 20k Sigmarines are leaked.

oh, wait.. woops.

Ha!

Doesn't really feel like Getting "Clean", more like your dealer deciding to cut your stuff with something terrible and dropping the habbit because of that, but it is what it is.

RevEv
28-06-2015, 11:10
Maybe not clean - I still have a fair number of models to paint and I do like their aesthetic. However I don't think I've played any 8th Ed games anyway so perhaps I am clean.

A better question would be, what would make me stop buying Warhammer Models? Probably the rumour that AoS models will be larger, and hence visually incompatible with current models, would see me walking away. I have the full set of 8th Ed books so I can play that with my normal opponents (aka the family).

However I will wait and see what the new game is like before making any rash decisions.

The_Real_Chris
28-06-2015, 13:51
A better question would be, what would make me stop buying Warhammer Models? Probably the rumour that AoS models will be larger, and hence visually incompatible with current models, would see me walking away.
Nah people have lived with scale creep for a while, you get over it :)



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Coldhatred
28-06-2015, 15:26
Nah people have lived with scale creep for a while, you get over it :)



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Yeah, go talk to the Battletech guys.

Anywho, I would never quit miniatures or RPGs. They are too integral to who I am as a person outside of my job and family life.

hobojebus
28-06-2015, 16:46
Just stop, accept it's over and go to a different game run by a company that gives a damn.

Leaving GW behind does not mean leaving war gaming behind, there's a whole world of games out there explore it, find out what fun balance and value for money are.

red_zebra_ve
28-06-2015, 16:59
Quiting? I still play Man O' War from time to time. Currently restarting a GorkaMorka campaign. I still like to paint my Dark Elves and hope to start a WHF campaign: (8th rules, 7th terrain, 5th campaign format).
But it is sad to see friends dumping their WH armies to buy Warmachine.
Now, if AoS is a new game, it is not WHF. It should have its own forum section in Warseer. And if it is a new game where I cannot use my miniatures, then I can choose what new game I am going to buy. And with the info we have until now, that new game I am buying will not be AoS.

Odin
29-06-2015, 13:15
It's just happened for me. The new models not only do nothing for me, they don't even fit into any kind of universe I could ever give a damn about.

If I had any faith in GW to put out a decent system I might hold out for a bit. But I have none. I stuck with Warhammer partly out of habit, but GW have broken that habit so I am free to start any game I like.

I'm out. Will play modified 8th and am literally just on my way back from Dark Sphere with my new Malifaux rulebook and Lady Justice starter box.

Plus I have three Guild Ball teams... that game really timed its release perfectly.

AlphaLegionMarine
30-06-2015, 18:26
I've been out for awhile. You just find other hobbies. Video games and Pathfinder RPG for me. I enjoyed the hobby, but just decided to stop playing as the local player base dwindled down to nothing. It's sad, but when you live in a rural community, this is the way of things. Ive just recently returned to warseer to get 9th edition rumors, but apparently the game is going the way of Warmachine. I am curious and I will read the new rules since they are free. Not sure if I will make an effort to get back into the game though. I dream of having a large stately army (this time of Brettonians, last time I had a 300+ model Dark Elf army). However, the Dark Elves spent the majority of their time on the shelf collecting dust, so I sold them.

Acephale
30-06-2015, 18:42
I'm already clean. End Times and the first 9th ed rumors made me go looking for something else to play since I didn't like the direction the game was heading in. And when I jumped into historicals and the indie market, I soon discovered that I really prefer that style of gaming culture.

I'd have a hard time playing WHFB now tbh, since it's very cumbersome, expensive and flawed compared to many other games on the market. I do check in here once in a while to read about rumors and so on, and this AoS business just confirms my view on where GW and Warhammer are going. It's not a place where I want to be.

Gertjan
30-06-2015, 19:03
What it took to get me clean? Looking over the fence to see what other games are out there. I started that a while a go and every time I came back to whfb or 40k I seemed to enjoy it a little less. Coupled with the silly buy in cost for a new army my interest in GW sort of simply died a silent death, not even a whimper. I still have my fantasy army (and won't get rid of it, to much effort spent on it, it'll just be a nice display piece from now on) and have 2 40k armies half built and painted but the latter two will never get finished I reckon. The enthusiasm for it has simply died out.

My GW part of the hobby is dead now. Long live the rest of the wargames available :D

mdauben
30-06-2015, 22:00
so as we approach the edge of the next edition, for weeks I have seen people argue that the changes at hand have convinced them to stop playing... I also saw this when the rumors of 8th edition were floating around. So the question for all of you is, at what point would finally say forget it and quit playing entirely? If it was due to rising prices, how high would they have to be? would it be rules? would it be model options or quality? what would be your thing?

Honestly, I've pretty much stopped playing both WFB and 40K for the last two years. I was kind of hoping AoS might get me playing again but from what I've seen I'm not hopeful. I almost jumped in with the End Times. I really seriously considered putting together an undead army built around Nagash, but before I pulled the trigger that whole thing crashed and burned. Prices have not helped matters, although I'm at a point in my life where they are really not deal breakers. Its more I just don't enjoy the rules or have the time anymore.

This isn't to say I've stopped gaming, I'm still active with several other scifi, fantasy and historical rules systems and I still have loads of WFB and 40K miniatures to paint if the urge strikes me.

Just Tony
30-06-2015, 22:41
I guess I'm finding it hard to justify buying a whole new batch of models for yet another gaming system. I'd love to dive into Star Trek right now, but I neither know what kind of player volume there is in my area, nor can I justify dropping hundreds of dollars on another game that could indeed be rewritten every four years. GW has definitely left me cynical in that respect.

Odin
01-07-2015, 01:07
I guess I'm finding it hard to justify buying a whole new batch of models for yet another gaming system. I'd love to dive into Star Trek right now, but I neither know what kind of player volume there is in my area, nor can I justify dropping hundreds of dollars on another game that could indeed be rewritten every four years. GW has definitely left me cynical in that respect.

Smaller gaming companies seem to try to keep their customers happy. A novel idea, I grant you, and one which is alien to anyone who has experienced the last 10 years of GW.

Sotek
01-07-2015, 01:17
I have a slow boil daemonkin army and an assembled but unpainted Steel Legion army. My lizardmen live in a case and don't get used. I don't play so I think I've quit it for other systems like DZC and infinity.

Karhedron
01-07-2015, 16:05
I pretty much quit Fantasy after 8th arrived. The irony was that I liked the 8th ed core rules, I thought it was a good progression from 7th.

What killed it for me was the army books. I played an O&G horde and have done since 4th but they jacked up the prices of infantry and threw in a load of weird new monsters. They killed my army rather than the game system. That is why for me, AoS feels like throwing out the baby with the bath water.

However I don't know where others felt 8th ed came off the rails so I don't know if my feelings are shared. I was hoping 9th ed would fix things and reinvigorate my Warhammer mojo. So far AoS doesn't look promising. :(

I am just hoping that they don't do a massive reboot of 40K in the same way as I like 7th edition so far.

Just Tony
01-07-2015, 16:46
The army books killed it for me in mid 7th Ed. and never returned to a place I liked them. Add to the fact that the core rules changed quite a bit of what I liked, mainly to accommodate the army books, and I had no problem simply walking away. A friend had me almost convinced to dive in to 8th, and the news of End Times broke right before I was going to buy my High Elves army book. I am so glad I dodged that bullet.

Szalik
01-07-2015, 16:53
Random charge length killed my interest in both 40k and Fantasy. Now I just rarely play Necromunda and work slowly on painting models, collecting stuff for my own zombie apocalypse campaign / skirmish game based on Necromunda.