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LeporaBro
02-07-2015, 04:43
I was just told by my local GW manager that after the 11th, customers will no longer be allowed to play warhammer fantasy in the store. Has anyone else heard this garbage???

CauCaSus
02-07-2015, 04:51
Wow, that's garbage if true

AngryAngel
02-07-2015, 04:58
A new level of lame for the ol GW. Makes sense I suppose, they aren't selling that game anymore, but I've never seen anyone at a shop of theirs told not to play their other specialist games just because they are out of print. I guess they will stand for no competition for age of sigmar, not even one of their own old games. Still would feel like a slap in the face considering how much money those armies cost to buy and time to paint, glad they reward you for your loyalty, let that be a lesson to us I suppose.

Ayin
02-07-2015, 05:52
I suppose if you have no other option playing games in GW stores is a reasonable choice, but it's got to be about the consistently worst gaming experience you will ever find.

Vedar
02-07-2015, 05:58
That is pretty much always been the case. Might as well ask them if you can play Necromunda, Rogue Trader or WFB 2nd edition. They want to sell the new hotness.

mhsellwood
02-07-2015, 06:10
Just out of interest why would they? Do you go into an Apple store and expect to be encouraged to check out a Samsung? This is not a simple case of being allowed to play a Specialist Game that is not in print and they have no replacement to sell. Yes they do want you to play and buy the 'new hotness' - they are a profit seeking entity.

On the other hand the current rumours are that all models will have rules for Age of Sigmar on Monday. So if you want to play in the shop you can play Age of Sigmar, with your current models, and at no additional investment. And if you have no interest in doing that, can I suggest finding a gaming group, or forming one? Most people that I have met prefer this option.

Ayin
02-07-2015, 06:21
Just out of interest why would they? Do you go into an Apple store and expect to be encouraged to check out a Samsung? This is not a simple case of being allowed to play a Specialist Game that is not in print and they have no replacement to sell. Yes they do want you to play and buy the 'new hotness' - they are a profit seeking entity.


Well, breaking it down logically:
-GW is not selling the replacement rule set, people playing 8th are taking no business away from sales of game rules
-All models in 8th were GW, many if not most are still available in those stores to buy and will be (supposedly, somewhat, ect) available well into AoS
-Lastly, as GW KEEPS trying to tell people, Games Workshop is a model company, not a game company, as long as you're doing it with their models they don't stand to lose anything.


Now, of course there are reasonable counter arguments for the above, but considering how absolutely ridiculous GW is and it's store policies often are, I can't imagine how anyone would think their stores would allow you to play Fantasy after it's been discontinued.

Maksho
02-07-2015, 06:31
First off, that's ******, I bet the manager is a bit of a dink/tool.

That being said, please everybody don't act like this is some kind of GW corporate policy. At the GW I go to you can play ANY GW affiliated game (even the Fantasy Flight ones). For the last 3 months their was a store sponsored Mordheim Campaign, and now there's a Necromunda campaign starting. Underneath one of the Realm of Battle Tables there's a space map for BFG.

The manager has even told the people who are complaining about AOS to play 8th if it bothers them that much.

shelfunit.
02-07-2015, 06:34
I was just told by my local GW manager that after the 11th, customers will no longer be allowed to play warhammer fantasy in the store. Has anyone else heard this garbage???

I hate to say it, but what possible reason did you have to think they would allow you to play a superseded game in their shops? They will no longer sell WHFB after that time, and will be (desperately) pushing AoS, the replacement.

mdauben
02-07-2015, 07:23
Hardly surprising. GW stores exist to advertise and sell their games, they have no reason to continue "advertising" an OOP product.

Szalik
02-07-2015, 07:55
Just another reason to support indy store or local games club not a place led by a corporative tool. Let them feel consequences of their "enlightened" ideas about promoting this hobby and their products.

hobojebus
02-07-2015, 09:22
Why are people surprised by this? GW does not care what you want heck it does not even pretend to care.

You are not their target audience your a vet and so they hate you, if your not a screaming 5 year old your not interesting to them.

As soon as they release the new armies you wont even be allowed to use old models in store.

blueraven84
02-07-2015, 09:36
And why would you? Are you able to play Mordheim or Battlefleet Gothic now at the GW stores?

GrandmasterWang
02-07-2015, 09:38
Ill check with my local GW manager what the deal is at his store.

He's spent the last year building up an 8th community so I doubt he will be as draconian.

He's pretty chilled though and even hosted a couple of blood bowl and Necromunda games so I reckon 8th will be fine to play in GW.

Ill let people here know the result.

Unless GW have released a blanket ruling banning 8th I reckon it depends on the manager.

I mean this guy let a bloke use his toyr r us truck which had at that stage only been minorly converted as a forgeworld proxy so we shall see!

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notts
02-07-2015, 09:54
my store manager, speaking to him last week, specifically told me he still planned to play 8th as well as AoS

notts
02-07-2015, 09:56
Just out of interest why would they? Do you go into an Apple store and expect to be encouraged to check out a Samsung? .

that's a misleading and wrong analogy.
a better one would be "do you go into an apple store and expect to be able to buy an iphone 5 instead of an iphone 6"

Spiney Norman
02-07-2015, 10:10
This was to be expected really, but I think it also depends on the manager in question and in the context of the store.

If the store only has a couple of tables that are generally only used when the store is open it makes sense to only allow gaming of games that are actually on sale, on the other hand if it's a larger store with more space that also runs an evening vets night (are these still a thing?), then restricting to 'live' games is really quite retarded. I've played Man O'War, Warmaster and Space hulk (before the rerelease) at a GW vets night before.

It's also worth saying that much depends on how much of a tool the manager is


that's a misleading and wrong analogy.
a better one would be "do you go into an apple store and expect to be able to buy an iphone 5 instead of an iphone 6"

This is also quite misleading, the question is nothing to do with what the store is selling, a better analogy would be 'would you expect to go into an Apple Store and find iPhone 3s on the demo tables when they only sell iPhone 5s and 6s", clearly not. In the context of the shop being open for sales (rather than a gaming club), the tables are there to demonstrate the games they sell, not the ones they don't.

swordofglass
02-07-2015, 10:13
Will probably head into the store at the weekend to see this debacle in all its 'glory'. Maybe clear up some confusion or misinformation. But I cant stop thinking this:

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bobix
02-07-2015, 10:14
Lol

In my town the GW shop do an age of sigmar launch saturday morning, and a 2v2 or 3v3 wfb8th w(with 1k points) the afternoon.
They have 8th wfb tournament planned the 18 july (inside the shop)
And they run a 8th wfb campaign (from sept to may) the shop manager won the last one season i think.

So each manager can do as he like (for now)

And frankly he doesn't seem to give a **** about AOS ;)

nosebiter
02-07-2015, 10:14
I was just told by my local GW manager that after the 11th, customers will no longer be allowed to play warhammer fantasy in the store. Has anyone else heard this garbage???

It is a game that they no longer sell. So no big surprise.

swordofglass
02-07-2015, 10:19
And frankly he doesn't seem to give a **** about AOS ;)

I can see him lasting a long time :shifty:
Aren't all stores monitored ruthlessly on sales of the 'latest thing'? I'm sure those that don't fall in line to peddle this tat will be swiftly removed.

GrandmasterWang
02-07-2015, 20:01
I can see him lasting a long time :shifty:
Aren't all stores monitored ruthlessly on sales of the 'latest thing'? I'm sure those that don't fall in line to peddle this tat will be swiftly removed.

Actually overall turnover is the most important KPI and the guy running 8th tournaments post 18th of july that was brought up probably helps cultivate a 'gaming club' atmosphere which helps consumer confidence/loyalty and in turn fosters sales. If he is bringing $ then his job is relatively secure.

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HelloKitty
02-07-2015, 20:04
This is not surprising. You can only play the games that they sell in the shop. Warhammer 8th is no longer a product that they support.

Col. Tartleton
02-07-2015, 20:08
The models are still supported.

Scribe of Khorne
02-07-2015, 20:36
The models are still supported.

For now. Lets see how they stack up to the Space marines.

Gorthaur
02-07-2015, 21:26
I don't think i'd ever actually play in a GW store, i'd go in to sit/look around and build some models/glue em together or socialize for an hour. But as for setting up a game, I think i'd rather play on my own built boards elsewhere (somewhere where I can down a case of beer).

MusingWarboss
03-07-2015, 01:47
I was just told by my local GW manager that after the 11th, customers will no longer be allowed to play warhammer fantasy in the store. Has anyone else heard this garbage???

No I haven't heard of this but it doesn't surprise me. It's a shop. It won't sell those items as they're discontinued so won't want you playing an old edition in there showing them off.

I can't remember them allowing previous versions on WFB or 40k either.

Independent might allow it but only because they imagine they can sell you some other stuff while your there, or even "compatible" proxy models from other manufacturers ranges.

AngryAngel
03-07-2015, 02:05
Just out of interest why would they? Do you go into an Apple store and expect to be encouraged to check out a Samsung? This is not a simple case of being allowed to play a Specialist Game that is not in print and they have no replacement to sell. Yes they do want you to play and buy the 'new hotness' - they are a profit seeking entity.

On the other hand the current rumours are that all models will have rules for Age of Sigmar on Monday. So if you want to play in the shop you can play Age of Sigmar, with your current models, and at no additional investment. And if you have no interest in doing that, can I suggest finding a gaming group, or forming one? Most people that I have met prefer this option.

Completely irrelevant statement. It isn't a rival product, it is their own product, that they still support with models, that people have been supporting for decades. Yes however, I have seen people play older editions, out of print games, etc in their store. So by that logic if a model is limited edition, should you be disallowed to use it ? After all, people can't buy it anymore, don't want to showcase a model they aren't releasing anymore, back into the bag limited edition model !! Completely stupid, and short sighted.


Well, breaking it down logically:
-GW is not selling the replacement rule set, people playing 8th are taking no business away from sales of game rules
-All models in 8th were GW, many if not most are still available in those stores to buy and will be (supposedly, somewhat, ect) available well into AoS
-Lastly, as GW KEEPS trying to tell people, Games Workshop is a model company, not a game company, as long as you're doing it with their models they don't stand to lose anything.


Now, of course there are reasonable counter arguments for the above, but considering how absolutely ridiculous GW is and it's store policies often are, I can't imagine how anyone would think their stores would allow you to play Fantasy after it's been discontinued.

True, but some players do actually play in their stores, as it is their advertisement honestly, and the fullness of the community sells their models and rules further. I can understand not allowing other companies games played, but their own old systems or board games ? Dumb and insulting, equal measure



Hardly surprising. GW stores exist to advertise and sell their games, they have no reason to continue "advertising" an OOP product.

They do have every reason to advertise their models, I mean for a model company, I thought that would be a thing, guess I'm wrong.


And why would you? Are you able to play Mordheim or Battlefleet Gothic now at the GW stores?

Some people can, yeah.


that's a misleading and wrong analogy.
a better one would be "do you go into an apple store and expect to be able to buy an iphone 5 instead of an iphone 6"

The answer is, yes, yes I would expect to be able to buy an Iphone 5 at this point.


I don't think i'd ever actually play in a GW store, i'd go in to sit/look around and build some models/glue em together or socialize for an hour. But as for setting up a game, I think i'd rather play on my own built boards elsewhere (somewhere where I can down a case of beer).

Seemingly always the better idea.

Lord Dan
03-07-2015, 03:30
This is also quite misleading, the question is nothing to do with what the store is selling, a better analogy would be 'would you expect to go into an Apple Store and find iPhone 3s on the demo tables when they only sell iPhone 5s and 6s", clearly not. In the context of the shop being open for sales (rather than a gaming club), the tables are there to demonstrate the games they sell, not the ones they don't.

Even this is slightly misleading.

It would be like going into an Apple store to use the Wifi with your Macbook, only to be told that - despite 20 years of producing and supporting them - Apple doesn't sell Macbooks anymore, and that, regardless of your years of patronage and Macbook ownership, you need to buy an iPad if you want to stay and use their Wifi.

Smooth Boy
03-07-2015, 04:12
Two types of manager, some are corporate shills who do as they're told and some actually got into their job because of the game and will recognise what an abomination AoS is.

LeporaBro
03-07-2015, 05:22
Just to clarify, my game store manager has no problem with games of mordheim or bloodbowl being played, yet has drawn the line at playing 8th in store. I was wondering if this was his own ruling or something concocted by gw higher ups. Love this analogy from Lord Dan. I'm just done with this company and its horrible customer relations, and am disheartened by the loss of the game I've loved playing for so long as well as the inability to play it in the shop. I now have no reason to continue fostering the community at a gw store and now will focus on other game stores.


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Okuto
03-07-2015, 05:40
My local store manager kindly told us to not bring in fantasy for about a month but he didn't outright say no.....

Not that it matters, I never play at my local GW, I just walk in for conversation and play at the comic shop nearby

Voss
03-07-2015, 06:13
that's a misleading and wrong analogy.
a better one would be "do you go into an apple store and expect to be able to buy an iphone 5 instead of an iphone 6"

And I'd still not expect to be able to do that. Companies want to sell new shiny things, not out of date products that raise uncomfortable questions.