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The bearded one
03-07-2015, 21:00
I was just chatting in my local GW with staff and manager (the manager just returned from England from the AoS briefings) about AoS and how they need to 'push' it to customers, with regards to WHFB.

Apparently they're not told to stop people from playing fantasy (including in the store), and that they will have the rulebooks back in print in the store again in a few months, but with many armybooks most likely coming out in combined forms (and with the books that didn't receive their 8th edition book getting their update at the time - but the specifics of this info are a bit sketchy and I hadn't presumed to really ask further).

But the key thing was that HQ didn't tell them to push AoS as the new 'default' fantasy (and fantasy as some kind of specialist game), but simply as a 'new' game, alongside the old fantasy. The head of sales specifically told them to continue allowing people to play WHF in stores, rather than forcing people to change over to AoS as if it were "9th edition".

Gorsameth
03-07-2015, 21:03
I was just chatting in my local GW with staff and manager (the manager just returned from England from the AoS briefings) about AoS and how they need to 'push' it to customers, with regards to WHFB.

Apparently they're not told to stop people from playing fantasy (including in the store), and that they will have the rulebooks back in print in the store again in a few months, but with many armybooks most likely coming out in combined forms (and with the books that didn't receive their 8th edition book getting their update at the time - but the specifics of this info are a bit sketchy and I hadn't presumed to really ask further).

But the key thing was that HQ didn't tell them to push AoS as the new 'default' fantasy (and fantasy as some kind of specialist game), but simply as a 'new' game, alongside the old fantasy. The head of sales specifically told them to continue allowing people to play WHF in stores, rather than forcing people to change over to AoS as if it were "9th edition".
Color me utterly unconvinced.
If they wanted AoS to co-exist with WHF they would not have removed all armybooks.

The bearded one
03-07-2015, 21:05
Color me utterly unconvinced.
If they wanted AoS to co-exist with WHF they would not have removed all armybooks.

The manager told me he'd have the main rulebook back on the shelves in a few months.


Not that that even matters to me - I already have all the rules and armybooks. The more important thing was that head of sales explicitely told them to allow players to continue playing WHFB in store. Considering that's where I play a large portion of my games, it's pretty important to me to see the continued existence of that possibility.

woodster17
03-07-2015, 21:14
Interesting. I see no reason why a GW manager would explicitly lie to you and I have no reason to doubt your posts.

It would be far easier if GW dedicated a page or two in WD to explaining what is going to happen over the coming months. This would have a couple of effects, the foremost being that veterans might not simply rage quit as they would have perhaps an incentive to hang on. Keeping everyone in the lurch does nobody any good. I'm not advocating giving anything model wise away or spoiling what they've clearly spent a long time planning but a specific few paragraphs targeted at veterans would be unbelievably helpful. It would result in either a 'ok i'll wait as you've thought of me and my needs' or 'that's fine, i'll move on as my x,y and z won't ever be truly supported again'.

Did he give an indication as to how long the current 8th structure (or in whatever future iterations it would be) will be supported? Is it going to be gradually phased out over time? Or is AoS genuinely an alternative cheaper route in to fantasy. I'm guessing that any crossover rules wise would have to be one sided unless they produce conventional old style rules profiles for the new models (obviously the current models are getting warscrolls so GW clearly intends for us to use our current models for AoS). So many questions...

Finnigan2004
03-07-2015, 21:18
If this is true, praise Sigmar! Well, maybe not Sigmar... ;). Anyhow, it's good if it's true!

Ramius4
03-07-2015, 21:19
The manager told me he'd have the main rulebook back on the shelves in a few months.

But that's the thing. Why would they go through the effort of removing it in the first place, if they intended to just bring it back?

I don't think he's telling you the whole story. Or he is getting the details wrong. I know you're just passing along what you were told TBO, but your manager's story makes no sense.

AngryAngel
03-07-2015, 21:24
If this is true, and they will keep putting out the 8th edition books, and support the armies, as well as run AoS, color me less angry about it. However that makes too much rational sense to me, can't be what GW is doing. However, if that is really what they are doing, then they are doing it the right way. This is why a company shouldn't have such shrouds of DA like secrets of their new releases. They could have gotten out ahead of all this and handled any peoples fears right out of the gate as opposed to be about the sneakiest company in creation.

Flaminghand
03-07-2015, 21:26
That would be really nice if this was the case.

Ramius4
03-07-2015, 21:28
That would be really nice if this was the case.

It would be downright strange if this was the case.

What would have been the point in pulling it all off the shelves and having stores return the unsold books then?

Whirlwind
03-07-2015, 21:29
First question - why isn't thin news and rumours! :D

It's intriguing if the staff are correct. Also appears to be completely the opposite of other rumours stated in that AoS is it.

However maybe, just maybe, GW have realised just how ballistic the community have mainly gone over the whole issue and are starting to wonder whether they have made a mistake. Maybe they are even slightly worried. If AoS tanks and they have removed WFB then that is probably it for the game. As they are not removing the models then it wouldn't take much to keep softback books in circulation and hedge their bets. If AoS fails and Warhammer keeps steady they can then quietly sideline AoS without much fuss. I do hope it is true though I would dearly like to see Brets/Skaven/Beastmen finished. I'm very sceptical though.

Jator
03-07-2015, 21:42
Sadly, I believe that WFB is gone for good.

Even a company so disconnected of their players as GW should know that they should communicate their plan to maintain WFB before it's to late, right? Right?

Malagor
03-07-2015, 21:50
Seems rather risky move pissing players off only to say "ha! just kidding".
Mean I would be happy that they would continue to support fantasy but it stills seems like a very odd move.

Ramius4
03-07-2015, 21:59
I would be happy that they would continue to support fantasy but it stills seems like a very odd move.

I just can't see any possible situation in which it was to their benefit to pull all those products from the shelves only to put them back at a later date. It makes absolutely zero sense.

DeathGlam
03-07-2015, 22:06
I want to believe this is true, purely for the idea that Skaven/Brets/Beastmen get 8th edition army books but why would GW do this, if they wanted to sell us the rules for AoS, i could just about understand why they would make it seem like old style Warhammer gameplay is gone but considering all the rules appear to be free and you don't need to buy new models to play AoS, what would they gain from not making the 8th edition books still available for the next few months.

Please be true though, please GW, do the 100% right thing for the community just this once. :)

Katastrophe
03-07-2015, 22:31
Why create stats and such for old units for the new game. Makes no sense. You could just play the old game and get the new game and models. No need to put old units in the new game.

That is the biggest clue that this "rumor" is likely very false. Those few months are likely not coming.

Col. Tartleton
03-07-2015, 22:47
Complete edition. :D

Sothron
03-07-2015, 22:52
I want to believe this. The reason they pulled the army books and would be putting them back out again might possibly be to add AoS alternate rules/warscrolls? That way you could use the book and models for both 8th and AoS?

The bearded one
03-07-2015, 22:52
Interesting. I see no reason why a GW manager would explicitly lie to you and I have no reason to doubt your posts.

It would be far easier if GW dedicated a page or two in WD to explaining what is going to happen over the coming months. This would have a couple of effects, the foremost being that veterans might not simply rage quit as they would have perhaps an incentive to hang on. Keeping everyone in the lurch does nobody any good. I'm not advocating giving anything model wise away or spoiling what they've clearly spent a long time planning but a specific few paragraphs targeted at veterans would be unbelievably helpful. It would result in either a 'ok i'll wait as you've thought of me and my needs' or 'that's fine, i'll move on as my x,y and z won't ever be truly supported again'.

Did he give an indication as to how long the current 8th structure (or in whatever future iterations it would be) will be supported? Is it going to be gradually phased out over time? Or is AoS genuinely an alternative cheaper route in to fantasy. I'm guessing that any crossover rules wise would have to be one sided unless they produce conventional old style rules profiles for the new models (obviously the current models are getting warscrolls so GW clearly intends for us to use our current models for AoS). So many questions...

He did use the term "fantasy 8.5" a few times - and mentioned armybooks returning as combined versions i.e. like some were in the End Times. He and the staff were quite adamant about AoS being a new game rather than replacement. I'm popping round first thing tomorrow morning for the pre-order anyway, I'll ask again to see if he can tell me anything concrete. If not - I know someone a bit higher up who may be able to yay/nay this.

I did ask quite explicitely whether it was sort of "his personal policy" to allow WHF to continue to be played in his store, or whether that was a directive from above, and they were told to do so by head of sales.

Dr. Who
04-07-2015, 01:24
I just can't see any possible situation in which it was to their benefit to pull all those products from the shelves only to put them back at a later date. It makes absolutely zero sense.

The proof will be when/if existing repackaged models starts hitting the shelves. If they continue to include both Square and round bases, then there could be something to The Bearded One's rumour. If not, then no.

Of course, if Age of Failure turns into a colossal epic failure (from a salesman's point of view), then GW may be forced to bring back (the real!) Warhammer if they want to keep whatever meager revenue they can gain from their Fantasy line up.

Sadly I think you are right. Age of Sigmarfail is here to stay - permantly!

- Dr.

Cynigher
04-07-2015, 01:36
By pulling the books and releasing war scrolls for existing units you get the vets involved in the new game. Who in turn tell the new players how it used to be and stuff and how this new game is a simpler. Then you bring back fantasy and the newer AoS players who have just built small armies go yeah let's try that and bang within the space of a couple of months you could potentially add a lot of new players back to fantasy. Just a thought.

taurus-marstein
04-07-2015, 01:37
Wow you just made me feel a lot better OP.

I think they would have pulled the books just so that people didn't get confused during this initial release. It is confusing from a business standpoint.

Anyways, I like the idea that they will release 8.5 edition books (hopefully also free to download). That would make me very happy. Honestly I dont care if they never release any new units for the current armies as long as they keep the model sales going so that we can still play and buy what we want.

Lordcypress
04-07-2015, 01:39
This is all a load of crap. You don't invest a bunch of money into the new system only to have 8th come back again a few months later. Doesn't make any sense. Also they are already have a great version of "Beerhammer". Triumph and Treachery!! A fantastic just for fun way to play Warhammer Fantasy. Me and my buddies play this game once or twice a month. Good laughs and good fun. Age of Sigmar is here to stay. It's not a branch or side game of regular 8th edition fantasy.

The bearded one
04-07-2015, 02:38
The proof will be when/if existing repackaged models starts hitting the shelves. If they continue to include both Square and round bases, then there could be something to The Bearded One's rumour. If not, then no.

I believe he did say kits would still be supplied with the (square) bases they're currently supplied with. Either he or a staffmember did.

But again, I'll check again with him tomorrow morning.

Voss
04-07-2015, 02:42
Color me utterly unconvinced.
If they wanted AoS to co-exist with WHF they would not have removed all armybooks.

Not only that, but the returns process for my LGS was to strip the covers and just send those back, and bin the rest of the book, as if they were mass market paperbacks. Those aren't coming back.

beerdrinker
04-07-2015, 02:43
Maybe an updated warhammer rule book incorporating all the faq's. No. Makes to much sense.

Flaminghand
04-07-2015, 05:10
After reading some of the new warscrolls I don't think anything is beyond GW right now. This situation is kinda hillarious in it's own way and it feels like we all got trolled.

Venthrac
04-07-2015, 05:21
I was just chatting in my local GW with staff and manager (the manager just returned from England from the AoS briefings) about AoS and how they need to 'push' it to customers, with regards to WHFB.

Apparently they're not told to stop people from playing fantasy (including in the store), and that they will have the rulebooks back in print in the store again in a few months, but with many armybooks most likely coming out in combined forms (and with the books that didn't receive their 8th edition book getting their update at the time - but the specifics of this info are a bit sketchy and I hadn't presumed to really ask further).

But the key thing was that HQ didn't tell them to push AoS as the new 'default' fantasy (and fantasy as some kind of specialist game), but simply as a 'new' game, alongside the old fantasy. The head of sales specifically told them to continue allowing people to play WHF in stores, rather than forcing people to change over to AoS as if it were "9th edition".

Hm, interesting. I'd like to see AoS and WHFB both continue on. I think they're such different games, there's room for them to co-exist. I like them both, for different reasons.

I'll remain cautiously optimistic at these remarks, and wait and see what actually happens.

Good share, though, thanks.

taurus-marstein
04-07-2015, 05:50
I can also see how players wwho start AoS might eventually decide to try to play WFB.

If AoS succeeds massively (a big if) then maybe GW will release a 9th edition, just to reward the older players.

AngryAngel
04-07-2015, 06:08
Yeah, and maybe they'll have actual sales, to reward long time customers. I'm sorry, that was a crazy fever dream.

Teurastaja
04-07-2015, 09:57
By pulling the books and releasing war scrolls for existing units you get the vets involved in the new game. Who in turn tell the new players how it used to be and stuff and how this new game is a simpler. Then you bring back fantasy and the newer AoS players who have just built small armies go yeah let's try that and bang within the space of a couple of months you could potentially add a lot of new players back to fantasy. Just a thought.

Yeah, except almost no vets will touch it. And now potential new customers can read all over internet that this game is pure **** not worth their money.

jtrowell
04-07-2015, 10:17
Not only that, but the returns process for my LGS was to strip the covers and just send those back, and bin the rest of the book, as if they were mass market paperbacks. Those aren't coming back.

And that's maybe why they need a few month before releasing 8th edition again : if this rumour is true, the only explanation that I can make sense of would be a "New Coke" situation, where the new "improved" product is so bad received that they decide to reintroduce the previous one, but as you said they have already destroyed most of the existing stock, and they don't have the in-house capacity to print the big hard cover rulebooks, they need to go to China for this and it can take up to a few month.

Kyriakin
04-07-2015, 10:22
But Warhammer is gone from the official website.

Sounds like a hasty back-peddle if true.

MLP
04-07-2015, 10:26
Stupid thing is, they could've made AoS a good scalable skirmish to mass battle game and made the rules so base type won't matter. I can think of any number of rules that would improve the game. The community would've accepted the new setting and all as long as there was balanced(as much as possible), scalable rules to replace WFB.

This rumour makes me happy as I really have no reason to play AoS, it has nothing to resemble the reasons I originally started the hobby.

Gorsameth
04-07-2015, 10:34
And that's maybe why they need a few month before releasing 8th edition again : if this rumour is true, the only explanation that I can make sense of would be a "New Coke" situation, where the new "improved" product is so bad received that they decide to reintroduce the previous one, but as you said they have already destroyed most of the existing stock, and they don't have the in-house capacity to print the big hard cover rulebooks, they need to go to China for this and it can take up to a few month.

and unlike New Coke GW has actively decided to slap their old customers in the face. Even if they re-released WHB in a month the damage has been done.

logan054
04-07-2015, 10:36
I was just chatting in my local GW with staff and manager (the manager just returned from England from the AoS briefings) about AoS and how they need to 'push' it to customers, with regards to WHFB.

Apparently they're not told to stop people from playing fantasy (including in the store), and that they will have the rulebooks back in print in the store again in a few months, but with many armybooks most likely coming out in combined forms (and with the books that didn't receive their 8th edition book getting their update at the time - but the specifics of this info are a bit sketchy and I hadn't presumed to really ask further).

But the key thing was that HQ didn't tell them to push AoS as the new 'default' fantasy (and fantasy as some kind of specialist game), but simply as a 'new' game, alongside the old fantasy. The head of sales specifically told them to continue allowing people to play WHF in stores, rather than forcing people to change over to AoS as if it were "9th edition".

As great as that sounds, it seems very odd that they would replace warhammer with age of sigmar on the website if they intended to have both versions of the game. Things like the Skullreapers are rather silly, especially when combined with a jugger lord and exalted khorne hero. +1 to wound and +1 attack, if I kill lots of models I get rather good. Judging by the what the Khorne stuff in these scrolls are like, I can imagine that the Khorne guy in the box is going to be very hard to deal with. Skarr Bloodwrath is rather good as well, then again he is a new kit, good luck dealing with him if you're a horde army.

hobojebus
04-07-2015, 10:59
Sounds like that manager is in panic mode he knows vets mostly won't play AoS And if they leave all together his sales take a big hit so he's stringing you along hoping he can weather the storm.

You don't destroy old books when you release a new edition it's unheard of, you could of heavily discounted them and made some money but they don't want anyone playing wfb anymore so destroy them instead.

GW's still behind the times though because those books are scanned and on the net there's no way to stop people getting them if they want them.

CrystalSphere
04-07-2015, 12:54
Sorry but it sounds like damage control for vets. Orruks, Duardin, Sigmarines... those are here to stay.

The old world was literally destroyed so GW could start anew, they´re not going to resurrect it. GW simply made sure that vets can still use their minis in the new setting, to entice them to switch to the newhammer.

Also don´t forget that GW wants you to buy new minis and not just hoard on your old ones, so expect your old WHFB minis to look more and more out of place along the new releases as time goes by.

Treadhead_1st
04-07-2015, 13:04
I am somewhat amused that sales reps/staff were 100% believed about "no more rules or books coming ever". Then White Dwarf leak says there will be future books with rules which gets ignored. Then an LGS owner said that their rep refused to confirm nothing was coming in the future and implied there would be more (traditional) releases. Then a store manager is reporting stuff from the head of sales after official briefings/training. Nope, none of this stuff by sales reps and their superiors is true - rather ironic that we have gone from infallible reps and LGS reports to reps, LGS reports and GW staff are lying.

Maybe this is true, maybe it is not. However, I see no reason to give this and previous accounts here on Warseer from an LGS owner less weight than the accounts from LGS owners earlier in the rumour process. We'll know the truth soon enough (whether there are enough people left playing the game for it to matter though...).

Skyven
04-07-2015, 13:30
The online shop I buy my Warhammer stuff from was listing (well for a couple of days after the 26th) the return of the army books in October. However all listing of army books has now disappeared.

So I'm keeping my fingers crossed that this is true, and that they will return in a few months, and that the OLGS was instructed to remove the reference.

Noodle!
04-07-2015, 13:31
I would have no hard feelings if they brought it back. I'd just be happy.

Kyriakin
04-07-2015, 13:48
I would have no hard feelings if they brought it back. I'd just be happy.
Yea, I'd accept the most stupid and illogical retcon history to get it back and pretend it never happened.

gatsu
04-07-2015, 13:58
A full simultaneous update of all 8th codex would be the way to go, I would be happy. But that would kill AOS for sure.

Tokamak
04-07-2015, 15:38
Yea, I'd accept the most stupid and illogical retcon history to get it back and pretend it never happened.

I’ll meet you coming backwards
I’ll meet you coming back
When the universe has expanded
Time will contract
You’ll come back
I’ll meet you coming backwards
Next time

- Franz Ferdinand

Cergorach
04-07-2015, 15:40
This is all a load of crap. You don't invest a bunch of money into the new system only to have 8th come back again a few months later. Doesn't make any sense.
It actually does make sense, GW has never been about the rulebooks, it's been about the minis. It has become clear that at GW's current size WFB isn't selling well enough in any of it's editions. A very different game was needed in the hopes that it would attract a greater crowd then traditional WFB. Pulling all those 8E books from the shelves is giving room to AoS sales. Now I don't believe that 8E is coming back in GW physical stores, but giving more options to players to play with the Warhammer Fantasy miniatures might be a very good idea. But telling folks that before hand is not a wise business move, it'll leave to many folks on the fence instead of buying new products. It might actually be a good idea to return the 8E books to stores, but books aren't cheap (although most of them have already been made for 8E) and the question is whether it's enough extra sales to be worth it. Binding together multiple army books into one might actually be a good idea, less products to confuse people...

Lord Dan
04-07-2015, 15:42
So we've reached the bargaining stage, then? :p

Actually it sort of makes sense for them to have a fallback plan in the event that AoS doesn't at least match WHFB's revenues. It's no coincidence the game was released in July - the start of their fiscal year - as it gives them a full 6 months to watch and respond before the mid-year report is released in January.

I, for one, don't see it happening, but I wouldn't put it past them to think it was a good idea to kill a franchise, release something different, and then bring back the old thing if the new thing doesn't cut it financially.

MiyamatoMusashi
04-07-2015, 15:44
It actually does make sense, GW has never been about the rulebooks, it's been about the minis.

People didn't buy 200+ Empire State Troops just for the minis.

If it was just about the minis, people would buy one box and that would be enough.

The ability to field those minis in a game was the only reason to buy more than one box.

If GW want to be purely about the minis from now on, they'd better be prepared for their sales to be cut in half or worse.

Tokamak
04-07-2015, 15:53
So we've reached the bargaining stage, then? :p

Actually it sort of makes sense for them to have a fallback plan in the event that AoS doesn't at least match WHFB's revenues. It's no coincidence the game was released in July - the start of their fiscal year - as it gives them a full 6 months to watch and respond before the mid-year report is released in January.

I, for one, don't see it happening, but I wouldn't put it past them to think it was a good idea to kill a franchise, release something different, and then bring back the old thing if the new thing doesn't cut it financially.

In the future we'll be saying "remember that one time when GW went with that Sigmar's Century or something?" And we'll all laugh.

dark devil
04-07-2015, 15:56
People didn't buy 200+ Empire State Troops just for the minis.

If it was just about the minis, people would buy one box and that would be enough.

The ability to field those minis in a game was the only reason to buy more than one box.

If GW want to be purely about the minis from now on, they'd better be prepared for their sales to be cut in half or worse.

Exactly if i just want to paint the models i don't need a regiment of 40 do i, i certainly don't need to buy the heroes or artillery pieces.

collectors wont spend tons on an army but players would because you need to in order to play.

They are going after the wrong market.

TheFang
04-07-2015, 16:00
In the future we'll be saying "remember that one time when GW went with that Sigmar's Century or something?" And we'll all laugh.

What's disturbing is that the latest White Dwarf has sold out on the website and is now being ebayed at £30 a copy. Looks as if there might be a demand for AoS after all. It will be trumpeted from the towers of Lenton.

Tokamak
04-07-2015, 16:01
Maybe GW doesn't want to support these large ranges anymore because holding the inventory itself is too expensive. Letting people mix and match small units allows for more overlap between the sales and the clients. They're no longer selling to Tomb King players, Orc players, Empire players, they're selling to 'Whatever' players that just buy new things, paint it and plunge it on the table to have some games with it.

Still not sure who the 'whatever' player is supposed to be. I don't really know any true 'collectors' who want a bit of everything. I know people who commit to armies and a bunch of people who keep jumping on a hype train but no people consistently adding to their mixed range.

Lord Dan
04-07-2015, 16:08
What's disturbing is that the latest White Dwarf has sold out on the website and is now being ebayed at £30 a copy. Looks as if there might be a demand for AoS after all. It will be trumpeted from the towers of Lenton.
I suspect WD selling out has more to do with the number of people wanting to know what on earth is going on than it is a sign of some overwhelming demand for AoS. What there is a demand for is information, and many gamers don't follow online sources for upcoming information.

I have a buddy who literally called me yesterday and said: "What the hell is Age of Sigmar?"

Tau_player001
04-07-2015, 16:10
Website guys

http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Home?_requestid=80614

Where is the "Warhammer Fantasy Battles" ?

gatsu
04-07-2015, 16:13
I suspect WD selling out has more to do with the number of people wanting to know what on earth is going on than it is a sign of some overwhelming demand for AoS. What there is a demand for is information, and many gamers don't follow online sources for upcoming information.

I have a buddy who literally called me yesterday and said: "What the hell is Age of Sigmar?"

Agree, people is sick of info since months ago. And yet no official communication from GW about whats going to happen with Fantasy, if there is going to be extra rules for AOScrap, updated 8th books in a few months or anything else. I really hope they release an updated version of 8th books and leave us the choice to play what we want. 8th with a simultaneous update of codex? yes please

The bearded one
04-07-2015, 16:21
Okay, I was there this morning for preordering, and chatted with him a bit more about this stuff. He was at the managers meeting/briefing previous weekend, during which they were all briefed about AoS.

- They literally got an introduction to AoS from the developers themselves, and they all had 5-10 minutes to chat with them a little. Plenty of managers asked very specific questions regarding WHFB's future, and numerous managers asked the devs about 9th edition.
- My manager confirmed that the armybook stock is supposed to be returned/destroyed. Armybooks might return to the shelves within some months (no exact timescale known yet), but in combined versions like they were in the End Times (eg. undead legion).

- The developers were very adamant that AoS was a different game. Not WHF 9th edition, nor WHF's replacement alltogether.


Considering all the managers were at the managers meeting, people who aren't Americans living 500 miles away from a GW store should be able to pop down to the local GW and ask their managers about this stuff.

My manager really wanted to make sure that he had got all the correct information from his higherups, so that he wouldn't have to placate his customers with false promises or speculation like may have happened in the past, so when the oppertunity arose he was asked about WHFB's future, as were most other managers. He knows his customerbase and knows (and shares) the concerns that would **** them off. He knows if he couldn't give any guarantees as to WHFBs survival, he'd - and I quote - "likely be stoned to death by you guys".

hazmiter
04-07-2015, 16:34
Perhaps by pulling the rule books off the shelves is to prepare for revised rulebooks, ones that can be utilised for both AoS and WFB?
Ie dark elves army book gets revised with dual stats, and dual points costs to allow for optional play, the warhammer fantasy rule book may also have a similar revision?
Who knows, maybe its just a nightmare that will continue.......

olderplayer
04-07-2015, 16:37
Having now gone through some AoS rules and the warscrolls for a few armies, I can now see where GW was going. They borrowed a number of concepts from LOTR and WOTR (rolling to see which player goes first each round of play). They rules do follow the concepts I had heard: all units have instability-type tests instead of break tests; and fewer and simplified saves with 2+ save rolls extremely rare. You also have the mortal wound concept which by-passes the to-hit, to-wound, and save rolls (including D3 mortal wounds from a base spell Arcane bolt). However, to encourage heroes and monsters, they increased the number of wounds a lot in order to improve survivability. It is far less frustrating to play the game for newbies and will non-elite units. The game really plays best in small battalion format on a smaller table. Otherwise, moving and resolving all the models will take too long. They definitely needed a game that was easier to learn and play and scalable with a much lower cost of entry. Two twelve year olds could buy a box, assemble the models, and play the game in a day and have fun playing it.

It is pretty clear that they spent a lot of time and thought into the warscrolls and trying to preserve the flavor of the existing units within the context of the new rules. Wizards have limited numbers of spells they can cast and can only cast one or two per magic phase. The hero phase coming before the movement phase initially seemed strange, but it does force you to think ahead and anticipate where your heroes will be position at the start of your next turn in order to confer IP, cast magic, and confer abilities that are like augments and hexes. The simplistic roll to hit, roll to wound, and roll to save with minor adjustments at most (+x or -x to rolls to hit, wound, or save with some re-roll 1's rermakes the game easier to play and learn (no tables to learn) and makes it a lot easier for "core" infantry to wound even the most OP models and units. I had heard that GW was coming out with "expanded" rules for mass battles and the warscroll rules are sufficiently structured to allow for a points system with limited options (like adding champions, standards, and musicians) and to allow for a rank and file system in the expanded game. The rules as written easily allow for expanded rules. Until extensively play-tested, it will be very hard to fully balance and point out the units and models but it is no more difficult than in the prior game and actually easier for a number of reasons. The scalability is created by creating a way for even inferior units to wound and kill the OP and making magic far less OP seems to work.

Coldhatred
04-07-2015, 16:47
Doesn't really matter to me, but I highly doubt this. Sounds to me like a strategy to calm down the veterans. Sure, they'll bring back the books they have sitting in their back rooms, as they might as well try to sell the product than throw it away. Plus this way it earns them points with the masses and might make some take the leap into AoS, but I don't see them supporting 8th anymore (besides reprints maybe). They've destroyed the world. They removed the inspiration for me.

MiyamatoMusashi
04-07-2015, 16:50
He knows if he couldn't give any guarantees as to WHFBs survival, he'd - and I quote - "likely be stoned to death by you guys".

Did you stone him to death? Sorry, I'm being glib; but it sounds very much like to me like he couldn't and didn't, in fact, give any guarantees as to WHFB's survival.

8th Ed books gone, possibly (or possibly not) to come back, in some form, which may or may not be the same form, at some point in the future, perhaps; with 9th possibly, or possibly not, to come at some point in the future, with AoS neither 9th Ed nor a replacement, despite replacing 8th Ed on the shelves.

I wasn't in the conversation so I don't know, but it sounds to me very much like he was trying to placate you, without actually making any promises.

Dr. Who
04-07-2015, 16:59
...snip...
- The developers were very adamant that AoS was a different game. Not WHF 9th edition, nor WHF's replacement alltogether.


Considering all the managers were at the managers meeting, people who aren't Americans living 500 miles away from a GW store should be able to pop down to the local GW and ask their managers about this stuff.

My manager really wanted to make sure that he had got all the correct information from his higherups, so that he wouldn't have to placate his customers with false promises or speculation like may have happened in the past, so when the oppertunity arose he was asked about WHFB's future, as were most other managers. He knows his customerbase and knows (and shares) the concerns that would **** them off. He knows if he couldn't give any guarantees as to WHFBs survival, he'd - and I quote - "likely be stoned to death by you guys".

Thanks for the update. I sincerely hope the manager is right. But judging from GW's recently altered website, I would not hold out hope. All traces of 8th edition seem to have been exorcised in favour of Age of Sigmar.

- Dr.

Ramius4
04-07-2015, 16:59
I have a buddy who literally called me yesterday and said: "What the hell is Age of Sigmar?"

I hope the first words out of you were "you'd better sit down..."


- My manager confirmed that the armybook stock is supposed to be returned/destroyed. Armybooks were supposed to return to the shelves within some months (no exact timescale known yet), but in combined versions like they were in the End Times (eg. undead legion).

TBO, are you sure he's talking about 8th ed books returning? I was just thinking that if he was told 'army books will be returning' it might be stuff for AoS, and not 8th at all.

I just can't help but think that he is somehow a bit confused about what he was told, or just misunderstood them.

dark devil
04-07-2015, 17:02
Why wouldn't you sell the old ones until the new ones come out that's what they've always done before it just smells fishy.

HammerofThunor
04-07-2015, 17:07
The store manager at my local said that a book was coming that covers the some of the new armies/worlds. I took it to mean something like a campaign book, e.g. Nurgle v Treemen, etc on Ghur (as at the end of WD). Can't see them issuing new books for 8th, at best it would be rereleasing the old books.

The bearded one
04-07-2015, 17:10
TBO, are you sure he's talking about 8th ed books returning? I was just thinking that if he was told 'army books will be returning' it might be stuff for AoS, and not 8th at all.

I just can't help but think that he is somehow a bit confused about what he was told, or just misunderstood them.

WHFB rules. Very specific. The managers were all literally asking the developers about the future for Warhammer Fantasy Battle and the potential for 9th edition, because they wanted to know what guarantees they could give to their customers. I mean the devs may have misunderstood the managers or something but I don't think there was any chance for confusion.

There's a clear narrative line in all the info I received, centered around this:
- AoS is a different, seperate game, rather than WHFB's replacement. WHFB will continue to be allowed to be played in the store.
- WHFB isn't killed off, its books and rules will return to the shelves in combined versions.

While the AoS intro set was being looked at and played on one table, there was a fantasy battle going on the table next to it.

Btw my manager also mentioned something off the cuff about possible books or campaigns or something for the seperate '9 realms' of the new lore. But that was in the context of 'maybe they'll pump out stuff for the 9 realms the coming year and suddenly surprise people with 9th edition, but they didn't say anything specific about it'. Pure speculation.

Ramius4
04-07-2015, 17:15
I'm still going with the "your manager misunderstood what he was told" theory. :p

mbh1127
04-07-2015, 17:17
I do think whfb will return at some point but this rumor sounds...strange.

The move towards round bases makes me question the logic of going back and supporting a square based game in a few months. Makes very little sense to me.

The bearded one
04-07-2015, 17:29
I'm like... I dunno! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ He convinced me, because he was quite concrete about the things he was telling me and because I interrogated him pretty thoroughly (going over the same questions a few times, in some cases), and he knows his customers well so knew the kind of things to ask at the briefing.

As such, what he said about WHFB's survival helped abate my sense of panic at certain aspects of AoS - which in turn helps me enjoy AoS for what it is. An extra game, not a replacement.
He said (but I think that was speculation - as in 'not 100% sure' ) they wouldn't repackage the boxes with round bases. But they would be getting a bag with the round 32mm bases.



Go out and interrogate your own local managers to crossreference some of this stuff.

Shandor
04-07-2015, 17:40
Just had a chat with my local store manager.. "As soon we sold the last books of Oldhammer, Playing 8th edition is not allowed to play in the store anymore."

dark devil
04-07-2015, 17:41
Just had a chat with my local store manager.. "As soon we sold the last books of Oldhammer, Playing 8th edition is not allowed to play in the store anymore."

See that I believe.

Ramius4
04-07-2015, 17:44
because I interrogated him pretty thoroughly

Did you try fingernail torture? I would try fingernail torture :shifty:

The bearded one
04-07-2015, 18:02
Just had a chat with my local store manager.. "As soon we sold the last books of Oldhammer, Playing 8th edition is not allowed to play in the store anymore."

In that case I really don't know what to tell you. I mean I'll grill my manager over that question again (a 3rd time), but I asked very utterly non-ambiguously whether we were still allowed to play 8th edition in the store (to which he said yes, without any time limit attached to it, intended to stretch into perpetuity ), and whether that was a personal policy he invented for his own store, or a policy ordered to him from above (he said from above, by head of sales).

What did your manager mean "as soon as we sold". Didn't he already return/destroy all the rulebooks?


Did you try fingernail torture? I would try fingernail torture :shifty:

You'd think the threat of pissing off his entire customerbase all at once - and being stoned to death - would be enough?

frankelee
04-07-2015, 18:32
Makes complete sense, and I've been wondering if this was really the plan. You pull WFB books because you want people to buy into Age of Sigmar. You can use your models for both, so they want to encourage people to get into it. Then in a few months the fluff in AoS justifies a proper return of Warhammer. The army books could be put back out to sell again, or they could wipe the slate clean and release new ones in an attempt to get the game headed in a new direction with better control. You can complain this will anger some customers, but okay, they anger some customers, not the first time, won't be the last time. Then all the turmoil produces so much buzz, and so much happiness that the game is coming back, that they increase their Warhammer Fantasy sales. GW likes money, why set all that money on fire? Even for them, that wouldn't make sense.

Kisanis
04-07-2015, 18:42
After all the reading, I feel like AOS is the entry level unbalanced get little timmy's money foot in the door for the fantasy world.

What I could see happening is WHFB as we know it (well, the closest we can think of) will maybe be closer to apocolypse or something. I think it will play out like current 40k does.

Why AOS? Its simplified and uses the models that GW badly needs to sell. the game is not designed for 100 model+ games. Theres too much rulebreaking to happen at that level - something warseer is pointing out ad nauseum.

I think WHFB return will be the same world, but the 'advanced' and balanced game that the vets play. They needed a game that was entry level for fantasy, that uses the models, that uses a similar world - but that isn't intimidating to the young ones with wads of their parents cash. Hence the Sigmar space marines.

Problem: WHFB isn't selling enough models. Kids like Space Marines
Solution: Make a new game that appeals to Space Marine loving kids but uses the models we don't sell enough of.

2 different games, 1 range of models, 2 different market segments. I imagine the 9th (or whatever it may be called) that is being alluded to (When army books return) will be the less broken, more complex version of AOS - Something to placate the vets, but also give the newbies something to aspire their forces into.
WHFB didn't scale well for model sales etc... By having 2 systems and 1 range, they maybe be thinking they can fix some of this.

Regardless - I can still go back and play 5-8th edition fantasy, Oldhammer, RT or 2nd 40k anytime I like. I've done so a few times actually.

frankelee
04-07-2015, 18:46
I am somewhat amused that sales reps/staff were 100% believed about "no more rules or books coming ever". Then White Dwarf leak says there will be future books with rules which gets ignored. Then an LGS owner said that their rep refused to confirm nothing was coming in the future and implied there would be more (traditional) releases. Then a store manager is reporting stuff from the head of sales after official briefings/training. Nope, none of this stuff by sales reps and their superiors is true - rather ironic that we have gone from infallible reps and LGS reports to reps, LGS reports and GW staff are lying.

Maybe this is true, maybe it is not. However, I see no reason to give this and previous accounts here on Warseer from an LGS owner less weight than the accounts from LGS owners earlier in the rumour process. We'll know the truth soon enough (whether there are enough people left playing the game for it to matter though...).

Also a thousand times this. People cherry pick their rumors and completely fail to back up their claims. If you're so certain 9th isn't ever happening, then how about getting a GW rep to actually promise that. So many people post the lie that some FLGS owner they maybe know said "No 9th edition ever, EveR, EVER!!!" But they can't actually reference back to where a confirmed gaming store owner specifically got any rep to promise this.

Vazalaar
04-07-2015, 18:49
Just had a chat with my local store manager.. "As soon we sold the last books of Oldhammer, Playing 8th edition is not allowed to play in the store anymore."

Yeah, sorry this seems unlike. Books were pulled. The books didn't stay on the shelves until everything was sold.


In that case I really don't know what to tell you. I mean I'll grill my manager over that question again (a 3rd time), but I asked very utterly non-ambiguously whether we were still allowed to play 8th edition in the store (to which he said yes, without any time limit attached to it, intended to stretch into perpetuity ), and whether that was a personal policy he invented for his own store, or a policy ordered to him from above (he said from above, by head of sales).


What did your manager mean "as soon as we sold". Didn't he already return/destroy all the rulebooks?



You'd think the threat of pissing off his entire customerbase all at once - and being stoned to death - would be enough?

Sounds possible, I believe you and I hope that it will happen!:)

Shandor
04-07-2015, 19:00
Yeah, sorry this seems unlike. Books were pulled. The books didn't stay on the shelves until everything was sold.



Sounds possible, I believe you and I hope that it will happen!:)

Google Games Workshop Berlin and call them. Thats the answer i got there.

Copy Paste from Facebook: Also jetzt noch ja... aber sobald ich alles an altem warhammer zeug(bücher) anverkauft habe nur noch AoS

2ndCompanyVeterans
04-07-2015, 19:02
What was known as 8th Ed is now gone, Warhammer is now AoS. The core game was removed from the shelves along with the army books. This was not done when they run out as it happened globally in a week. This is the new face of the game. All I want is some kind of point system and I will be happy. The rules work fine, Some say too simple but in reality they have just removed the hit wound charts by the look of it and given them what they would be rolling by average against enemies. The core principles are there just no need for a 180 page book. Stay with the old if you wish it will stagnate in the end. It has been pretty cool that they supplied the new rules and profiles RH style. The warhammer section has been replaced with the new logo this much effort has not been put in to be a side show they are say the old world is dead welcome to the new one. The feel to me is a bit more like a card game.

As Calvin once said "It's a magical world out there ol buddy, Lets go exploring!"

The bearded one
04-07-2015, 19:03
Berlin 1 or Berlin 2?

Shandor
04-07-2015, 19:09
Berlin 1 or Berlin 2?

Berlin Spandau

Vazalaar
04-07-2015, 19:10
So as AoS replaced Warhammer, what will replace the Hobbit?

2ndCompanyVeterans
04-07-2015, 19:14
So as AoS replaced Warhammer, what will replace the Hobbit?

Nothing hopefully. It's sad it didn't get the love that it's predecessors received

mbh1127
04-07-2015, 20:33
This feels like wishful thinking.

I have a problem buying to any of this due to the bases.


Why on earth would AoS use round bases if whfb was coming back within months (in some form)? So AoS is supposed to help recruit new players, yet the models won't really work for both systems very easily. Why would they rebase some ofbthe studio armies?

Katastrophe
04-07-2015, 22:00
Spoke to a GW manager and was told
1) no points ever
2) some rules for construction in the form of scenarios
3) no return of 8th or coming of 9th
4) old books are gone and not coming back
5) forget about playing 8th in stores as AoS is the only fantasy game that will be supported in the future

they were told to try to downplay any anxiety by vets and to tell us that we can just use our old armies in the new rules and it will be "fun"
they were also told to not get caught up in trying to justify the AoS but more to try to get us involved in AoS

I believe what he is saying

contacted a second for answers and will let you know if they match

AngryAngel
04-07-2015, 22:29
So, GW would lie to us ? Say it ain't so. :rolleyes:

Tau_player001
04-07-2015, 22:32
Spoke to a GW manager and was told
1) no points ever
2) some rules for construction in the form of scenarios
3) no return of 8th or coming of 9th
4) old books are gone and not coming back
5) forget about playing 8th in stores as AoS is the only fantasy game that will be supported in the future

they were told to try to downplay any anxiety by vets and to tell us that we can just use our old armies in the new rules and it will be "fun"
they were also told to not get caught up in trying to justify the AoS but more to try to get us involved in AoS

I believe what he is saying

contacted a second for answers and will let you know if they match
That's something that makes sense, looking at their store website.

Lord Dan
04-07-2015, 22:58
Spoke to a GW manager and was told
1) no points ever
2) some rules for construction in the form of scenarios
3) no return of 8th or coming of 9th
4) old books are gone and not coming back
5) forget about playing 8th in stores as AoS is the only fantasy game that will be supported in the future

There's the GW we know and love...

AngryAngel
04-07-2015, 23:03
As a comparison, when DnD went to 4th ed, they tried to do the same thing and have all their 3.5 books sent back to them or destroyed, so people would have to get into 4th ed. I can't see how GW going the same route and it leading to really any better results.

Mr_Foulscumm
04-07-2015, 23:18
I was just chatting in my local GW with staff and manager (the manager just returned from England from the AoS briefings) about AoS and how they need to 'push' it to customers, with regards to WHFB.

Apparently they're not told to stop people from playing fantasy (including in the store), and that they will have the rulebooks back in print in the store again in a few months, but with many armybooks most likely coming out in combined forms (and with the books that didn't receive their 8th edition book getting their update at the time - but the specifics of this info are a bit sketchy and I hadn't presumed to really ask further).

But the key thing was that HQ didn't tell them to push AoS as the new 'default' fantasy (and fantasy as some kind of specialist game), but simply as a 'new' game, alongside the old fantasy. The head of sales specifically told them to continue allowing people to play WHF in stores, rather than forcing people to change over to AoS as if it were "9th edition".

If this is true, I'm going to find you and give you a great big kiss right on your lips! :D

MiyamatoMusashi
04-07-2015, 23:20
Seems we're getting conflicting reports from different managers.

At this point I'd invoke Occam's Razor and say the simplest answer is probably right: they removed the old books from the shelves and replaced it with a new game, because the new game is simply a replacement for the old one. End of.

Granted, with GW having just done what they've done, it's no longer certain that logic plays any part in their actions at all. But until we get concrete evidence to the contrary, we (still) have to assume that this is it.

kylek2235
04-07-2015, 23:27
Seems we're getting conflicting reports from different managers.

At this point I'd invoke Occam's Razor and say the simplest answer is probably right: they removed the old books from the shelves and replaced it with a new game, because the new game is simply a replacement for the old one. End of.

Granted, with GW having just done what they've done, it's no longer certain that logic plays any part in their actions at all. But until we get concrete evidence to the contrary, we (still) have to assume that this is it.


I don't think they like the term "replacement." We've had a few reports of GW objecting to the word. Being that AoS is really just CopyrightHammer, it probably has something to do with that.

Tokamak
04-07-2015, 23:30
the armybook stock is supposed to be returned/destroyed.

Book burnings! Classic.

Commissar Davis
04-07-2015, 23:33
1) Can I use what I have? Yes.

2) Can I easily get the rules updates? Yes.

Can't see what the big issue is as it seems that everything is set to go. If they to put the books back up they will probably have the new background and rules in them, not sure how backwards compatible they will be, but they could be a real insight to where GW is going with Warhammer (it is still Warhammer regardless of the extra AoS).

I am sceptical about a return to 8ed books, but can see an update to what ever you want to call this reboot. Think of it as a shift from Rouge Trader to proper 40K if it helps.

Scribe of Khorne
04-07-2015, 23:34
What seems....really stupid is the removal of the books from the site right now. You have stock, sell it!

mbh1127
04-07-2015, 23:41
not that strange

They want people sending money on the new stuff and not an extinct game.


Spoke to a GW manager and was told
1) no points ever
2) some rules for construction in the form of scenarios
3) no return of 8th or coming of 9th
4) old books are gone and not coming back
5) forget about playing 8th in stores as AoS is the only fantasy game that will be supported in the future

they were told to try to downplay any anxiety by vets and to tell us that we can just use our old armies in the new rules and it will be "fun"
they were also told to not get caught up in trying to justify the AoS but more to try to get us involved in AoS

I believe what he is saying

contacted a second for answers and will let you know if they match

yup, this sounds waaaaaay more logical.

Katastrophe
04-07-2015, 23:46
2nd Manager in 2 US cities both say the same thing. There is no 9th that they are aware of and AoS is the only game. No return of 8th or the 8th books. I was also pointed to the website that there is no longer WFB

Scribe of Khorne
05-07-2015, 00:04
Which from a messaging point of view, I get. "This is the new hotness, and its the only hotness." I also get that from a misleading customers POV, it would be a potential negative.

However this is the Information Age. I dont know, I'm seeing something like this at my own company (missing the forest for the trees) so its hitting a bit close to home I guess. :p

Noodle!
05-07-2015, 00:09
Why would the managers know though? They don't really have any insider information.

edit: about any coming editions or changes I mean. I wouldn't disbelieve that there's no 9th, but I'm just saying that managers usually don't have any info.

Katastrophe
05-07-2015, 00:16
Why would the managers know though? They don't really have any insider information.

edit: about any coming editions or changes I mean. I wouldn't disbelieve that there's no 9th, but I'm just saying that managers usually don't have any info.

I asked the same question and they stated it was from their managers (whomever those are). They stated they were told that they are being to told to allay our (gamers) fears and to try to get us into AoS. They are also being told that they are not going to be be getting any old 9th stuff.

As for FLGS, they are having book counts done but not being informed as to whether they are getting any refund on books or credits to purchase new stuff. They are not being told they can return anything.

Furious
05-07-2015, 00:38
Sounds unlikely. But consider that the company has been pushing to rebrand. The Dwarfs book may never come back, but a similar Steamhead Dickwadin book may appear.

Ideally.

burzikak
05-07-2015, 02:07
Not sure if it's relevant, but from what I can see there are still 8th ed books on itunes

https://itunes.apple.com/au/book/warhammer-high-elves-interactive/id638927350?mt=11

Although I'm not sure if Apple lets publishers delete already purchased books (I would be pissed though if I bought an ebook and it just got arbitrarily deleted)

mbh1127
05-07-2015, 03:17
that wouldn't happen

Col. Tartleton
05-07-2015, 03:27
You'd be torn apart by a mob just for suggesting it.

GrandmasterWang
05-07-2015, 06:40
Im with TBO (and not just because dwarfs are my main army!!)

Went into GW yesterday to see what the deal was.

White Dwarf was sold out every where all GWs and independents in the state so I eventually was able to pick one up from a comic store.

8th was being played in store along with AOS and 40k and the store had a great vibe.

5 people that I talked to (including the 2 having am 8th/end times battle) had really enjoyed their limited experience with AOS which given the tears on here I found amusing.

Manager said I was absolutely allowed to play 8th in store but I would have to bring my own army book as they had no more 'open' copies and no longer sold the books in store.

Given I was hoping Gw would go with a 3 pillars strategy I feel a lot better about AOS and can see it for what it is, a quicker intro game to get new blood into the hobby.

So yeah my GW allows 8th played along side AOS and I definitely got the feel that it's a 'separate' game... also given the rules are free and no models are invalidated I cant complain so much.

I can absolutely see GW doing more games set in the old world in the future.

Even AOS timeline which is set 1k years after WHFB leaves the path open for future retcons/end times devices in WHFB.

Ive always seen the End Times as a hypothetical like the Nemesis Crown and Storm of Chaos before both which have been written out of 'history' for the current hypothetical.

So yeah all is peachy at my local GW. 8th and AOS being played side by side. One a good intro game and one a great mass battle game (I love my 8th)

Loved the terrain I saw also.

I am moving my vote to the 'positive' camp.

Chillhammer is my thing anyway and we will bring the AOS stuff to Chillhammer

I will however try the AOS rules a bit but 8th/Chillhammer will remain my main game

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dalezzz
05-07-2015, 07:42
Seems there's 2 conflicting sets of rumours here , I notice the beared one is European and katastrophe is American , so maybe those who went to Nottingham have been told different to those that went to .... Wherever the Americans went . Miscommunication? Or maybe America doesn't get 8th back and Europe does? Wouldn't make much sense but we are always hearing about how badly wfb sells over there

The bearded one
05-07-2015, 09:37
Seems there was a slight miscommunication. The overal policy is that the managers get to decide for themselves whether to continue to allow 8th in their store or not. Seems some like to anger their playerbase, some don't. I'm pretty sure which of the two would work out better financially for the store though.. At least the ones that have an existing 8th playerbase. You don't need large armies for AoS.

All the regular staff I chatted with were pretty insistent of seeing AoS as a 'new' game, rather than fantasy's replacement. You'll probably hear that everywhere.

DeathGlam
05-07-2015, 11:33
Just been into my old GW shop(im visiting family) talked up AoS as the new thing as you would expect but the manager had no issue with the idea of people playing a game of 8th in his store but then he has always been relaxed, only at Christmas last year when i was the only one in his store we even talked about the non GW games we both enjoy.

Im in England, so maybe it is a difference in management style here in Europe as has been suggested.

The bearded one
05-07-2015, 11:45
Just been into my old GW shop(im visiting family) talked up AoS as the new thing as you would expect but the manager had no issue with the idea of people playing a game of 8th in his store but then he has always been relaxed, only at Christmas last year when i was the only one in his store we even talked about the non GW games we both enjoy.

Im in England, so maybe it is a difference in management style here in Europe as has been suggested.

I believe fantasy always had a pretty poor foothold in the US, compared to Europe, which may explain why managers there may choose to ditch it in their stores entirely.

Shandor
05-07-2015, 11:58
But Berlin is Europe too and its different here.

The bearded one
05-07-2015, 12:01
But Berlin is Europe too and its different here.

Europe's a big place ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Some areas/managers have different attitudes and popularity to fantasy, and apparently they get to decide for themselves. I dunno if that particular Berlin store had a sizable 8th edition community or not, or what the manager's attitude is like.

Shandor
05-07-2015, 12:56
Europe's a big place ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Some areas/managers have different attitudes and popularity to fantasy, and apparently they get to decide for themselves. I dunno if that particular Berlin store had a sizable 8th edition community or not, or what the manager's attitude is like.

This store had almost an only WHF Comunity the last 3 Years. We had some 40k players here and there. But the main Comunity played WHF.

The bearded one
05-07-2015, 13:01
Weird decision. Can't imagine it being that great for the community in that case - or the store. AoS armies don't really need much more than 2 or 3 boxes from the shelves. I'm tempted to make an AoS army, but really not much more than 10 models.

Dark Elf
05-07-2015, 13:47
I really want TBO to be right and to see some books for the proper warhammer in a few months. I really want that. But somehow, I just lost all faith in that happening. Here's to hope.

Katastrophe
08-07-2015, 20:18
Someone on Dakka stated they spoke with the official GW rep at Warhammer World who was there to answer questions. In short he was told there is no 9th and no more support for 8th. AoS is the new and only fantasy game.

Ayin
08-07-2015, 20:31
I really want TBO to be right and to see some books for the proper warhammer in a few months. I really want that. But somehow, I just lost all faith in that happening. Here's to hope.

Maybe you realized that they recently concluded a series ending their world and discontinued sale of books for that game, then realized they have put a huge amount behind launching the new replacement game, and finally came to the conclusion there is no way that Warhammer Fantasy is going to continue on in a supported, let alone EXPANDED way?