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16-10-2015, 08:12
Ok, this is more of a fan theory but it seen a very good one, so I want to ask you for your opinion: http://menducia.atspace.com/primarchs/I.html

to put it simple, someone saw a lot of parallel between the primarch and symbol in tarot, which each primarch playing a mayor arcana, pretty much like this:

I:Mage=Magnus the red
II:the hight prisetess=???
III:the empress=Fulgrim
IV:The emperor=Horus
V:The hierophant=Lorgar
VI:The lovers=Alpharius/Omegon
VII:The Chariot=Robute guillman
VIII:Justice=Ferrus manus
IX:The Hermit=Lion El johnson
XII:The hanged man=Sanginius
XIV:Temperace:Jaghatai Khan
XVIII:Moon=Konrad Curze
XIX:The sun=Rogal Dorn
XX:Last judgetment:Leman Russ

The other two that are left are the fool(the emperor) and the world(the imperium), the way each card play to other is intersting: for example Magnus(Magus) and Russ(The last jugement):

"The Magus: The Last Judgement ultimately represents the end of what the Magus has built. The Magus should recognise the need to wipe things out and start again if everything goes wrong, and accept that the Last Judgement plays an importnat role in holding his creation in check. If he cannot this will be a very difficult relationship.

Or Horus(the emperor) and Dorn(the sun)

The Sun: A very strong pair, the Emperor establishing identity and the Sun maintaining it. The Sun is happy to work under the Emperor's direction, as long as it does not conflict with his own principles, and is a strong and valued advisor keeping the Emperor from overextending himself. (Sol/Aries [Sol Exalted])

Or even more, Fulgrim(the emperess) and Konrad(the moon)

The Empress: A mutually beneficial relationship. The Empress helps the Moon to appreciate the beauty of the world, and prevents him living entirely in his own head. In return the Moon can open up the spiritual/psychic potential of the Empress, preventing him from living entirely through purely emotional relationships and the material. (Venus/Pisces [Venus in Exaltation])

So, what did you think about it?

19-10-2015, 02:18
I remember discovering it almost a decade ago and really taking a shine to it. In particular, I love the inference it allows about the personality and relationships of the missing primarchs. As for all of the other relations, it's always felt rather eerily accurate.

21-10-2015, 21:58
My theory is that XI Fortune was an affable tech-savant who pushed things much too far for the mechanicum to be comfortable with. Dabbling with forbidden tech or even inventing things, he drew the ire of hard line elements within the Martian priesthood. They staged some massive accident and took him out. The survivor from his legion were absorbed by his friend Robute's Ultramarines. Their easy going nature lost in the death of innocence they formed the seeds for death cult/nihilist chapters. Ex, the Doom Eagles believe themselves already dead and have an aggression not typical of the sons of Guilliman.

21-10-2015, 22:01
Oh, and the High Priestess makes me think of the 10th Doctor Who. Which would have me guess that while fighting to liberate some system he flew into a rage and went down under hoards of people he no longer believed redeemable. A high minded man who lost his faith in humanity.

22-10-2015, 19:45
I dont know, first to all we have to see the personality of both HP and Fortune in order to see how it could be:

Deeply psychic, the only one on a level with the Magus. However his method is entirely different; whereas the Magus directs, the High Priestess observes. The Magus uses the Warp, but the High Priestess understands it. The High Priestess is intuitively capable of predicting the motions and interactions of systems as a whole, and guiding them hollistically.

So off all primarch I would said he could be the other great psyker in the group, with aproach to the warp more close to "feeling" that direct understanding, if magnus didnt fall to chaos its clearly this guy will

Inspirational, almost to the point of never having to do a thing. Though he never seems to tell anyone his plans, they always end up carried out to perfection anyway. Inspiring intense loyalty through being able to give people a sense of belonging in the wider sceme of things. In dealing with people he give the impression of seeing everyone as if they were his closest, dearest companion, and can read them as if they were. He is always aware of everyone's hopes, doubts, secrets and hidden motives.

Now if this guy is loyal that could be very intersting to see playing out in heresy, dosent it? if he was traitor I could see almost as the voice behind horus, always understanding everyone around him

The High Priestess is ultimately the one who can communicate an understanding of the highest goals of the Fool to the rest of the system, individually and in ways they can each understand.

So I will said he will spread the imperial truth and whatever plans have to the emperor, that a least make me thing he would be the loyal brother.

At best, a being of pure divine grace, calm, guiding, illuminating, and capable of giving a deep sense of belonging.

At worst, the ultimate tempter, conjuring unattainable, ever shifting but irresistable goals and twisting people's minds and desires without them even realising what is happening, all for his own amusement.

Well, that it is, how it could be loyal or traitor.

The Magus: Often tense. The High Priestess is the main rival of the Magus, and the only who frequently shows himself utterly beyond the Magus's comprehension. The High Priestess is effortlessly capable of bursting the Magus's bubble, and though this is frustrating it stops him becoming too arrogant. The Magus is best able to translate the High Priestess's mystic insight into a more immediately understandable form. Together, they represent absolute control (Magus) and understanding (High Priestess) of the Warp.

The Empress: A very important relationship, allowing the Empress to connect his more purely intellectual and spiritual brothers, whom he otherwise finds slightly obtuse. The Empress can bring the High Priestess down from the clouds somewhat and connecting to the real rather than just the spiritual world. (these paths intersect on the Tree of Life)

The Emperor: Tend to overreact to each other, though once the Emperor concedes and acknowledges the value of the High Priestess's advice things quickly blow over. (Moon/Aries)

The Hierophant: An extremely valuable relationship. The High Priestess's ability to identify with people's needs and reactions can stop the Hierophant becoming overly strict and dogmatic and allow him to be more understanding of the need for flexibilty and change, while the Hierophant can turn the High Priestess's individually based advice into a more general and practical structure of teaching. (Moon/Taurus [Moon Exalted])

The Lovers: While the Lovers eagerly digests anything the High Priestess has to say, he tends to miss the point somewhat and is quickly distracted by something new anyway. The High Priestess may become exasperated with his inability to stay focused. (Moon/Gemini)

The Chariot: The Chariot can find that the High Priestess is the only one he feels comfortable sharing his deeper emotions with, and can lose a bit too much emotional restraint when dealing with him. While this is an important relationship for the High Priestess, it can also become a little taxing if the Chariot starts to become overdependant on his support and advice. (Moon/Cancer [Moon Rules])

Justice: The High Priestess is wary of expressing anything that Justice might not want to hear, and though both have an innate sense of balance and fairness they express it in very different ways. Justice may consider the High Priestess too soft on transgressors. (Moon/Libra)

The Hermit: The Hermit tends to overanalyse the High Priestess's advice, and has trouble acting on it as he frequently can't make logical sense of it. (Moon/Virgo)

Fortune: Like minded in many issues, and should get along.

Strength: Appreciate each other's compassionate nature, but Strength may find the High Priestess's indirectness uncomfortable.

The Hanged Man: The Hanged Man is one of the only ones to have any true insight into the High Priestess, and they can often seem like two of a kind.

Death: Death's dark intensity tends to disturb the calm the High Priestess generally projects. They both recognise the dark side of themselves and each other when they are together. (Moon/Scorpio [Moon in Fall])

Temperance: The High Priestess will frequently bring up Temperance on his accidental lack of tact. (Moon/Sagittarius)

The Devil: The Devil is critical of the High Priestess's advice and approach, and wary of his motives in reaching out to him. The High Priestess finds the Devil one of the most difficult of his brothers to read, and may distrust him because of it. (Moon/Capricorn)

The Tower: Distant. Neither wants to have to deal with the other personally.

The Star: Share an interest in the wellbeing of groups, though the Star finds it difficult to grasp the High Priestess's one-to-one approach and tends to focus on the whole rather than the parts. (Moon/Aquarius)

The Moon: The High Priestess and the Moon are both powerful psychic receptors, and together highten each others power to dangerous levels. However, the High Priestess is well placed to teach the Moon how to handle his psychic visions. (Moon/Pisces)

The Sun: Potentially a very strong pair, the Sun working more in the public light and the High Priestess behind the scenes.

The Last Judgement: May appreciate the fact that they are balancing opposites, and have a surprisingly close relationship despite their clear differences in nature.

So, if you see, this guy have worst relationship with traitor than the loyal so I will imagine that of the two primach he will stick with the emperor and being psyker counterpart of Magnus, Also is intersting to see how he complement both Lorgar and Konrad curze meaing this presence both faith could be averted