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WarsmithGarathor94
31-10-2015, 20:18
Hey guys just wondering how likely is it a modern day chaos warband would have access to say mark 4 armour?

Lord Damocles
31-10-2015, 21:02
It's not beyond the realms of possibility that they could have recovered a cache of stored armour, or intercepted a shipment of new suits form a forge.

Okuto
31-10-2015, 21:38
Hey guys just wondering how likely is it a modern day chaos warband would have access to say mark 4 armour?

The one constant of chaos.....there is no constant.

A chaos warband could have literally anything in it, they have to salvage alot of their stuff anyways so its not out of the question some of them would have MK IV armor(more likely mismatched pieces but MK IV nonetheless)

Although I doubt some new chaos whelp would have it(unless he took it off a dead red scorpion/iron hand), more likely a chaos champion or some vets who either kept their old suit or ripped it off the corpse of another.

I have some of my chaos "sternguard" in MK IV but its a mismatch of MK IV and MK VI.

Karhedron
01-11-2015, 21:55
Hey guys just wondering how likely is it a modern day chaos warband would have access to say mark 4 armour?

By "modern day", do you mean "operating in the 41st millenium" or "newly turned to Chaos"? If you simply mean any chaos warbands in 40K then the chances are fairly good. Many CSMs are veterans of the Horus Heresy, kept alive by the caprice of the Chaos Gods or simply by the strange tides of time in the warp. Many of the Legions who sided with Horus had recently been resupplied with MkIV armour so this would not be uncommon.

If you are meaning newly turned to Chaos then it would depend on the nature of the Chapter as to whether they would have access to such antiques. Probably rare though.

=Angel=
02-11-2015, 07:15
The Red scorpions have loads of Mk4 and its what Loken was wearing in Horus Rising. It's been in use for 10,000 years, shouldn't be a problem.

Harwammer
02-11-2015, 09:17
The great thing about 40k, especially chaos, is how open to interpretation it is, and how even the basic precepts of the universe are muddy.

For something as simple as armour of course you can do what you want. Perhaps your modern marine was wearing a relic suit when he decided to turn traitor. Perhaps he is a traitor from 30k that later joined up with your warband. Perhaps your marine looted the armour from a particularly notorious enemy and wears it in homage/mockery of its previous occupant.

I'm sure you can come up with more explanations yourself, OP.

Did you end up de-chaosing your marines?

memitchell747
03-11-2015, 21:14
It's not beyond the realms of possibility that they could have recovered a cache of stored armour, or intercepted a shipment of new suits form a forge.

Or, could have won an auction on EmperorBay. Or, bought them off ChaosList. Cause, you know, Power Armor is cheap and common in 40K.

Rogue Star
04-11-2015, 12:02
Hey guys just wondering how likely is it a modern day chaos warband would have access to say mark 4 armour?

About as likely as it is the loyalist Chapters have them... because the Chaos Space Marines will just strip them for parts after a successful engagement.

A.T.
04-11-2015, 13:35
Hey guys just wondering how likely is it a modern day chaos warband would have access to say mark 4 armour?The mk4 in particular was relatively common amongst the legions during the heresy - it is essentially the defacto armour of the original chaos forces, but was also notoriously difficult to maintain.

=Angel=
05-11-2015, 06:41
Or, could have won an auction on EmperorBay. Or, bought them off ChaosList. Cause, you know, Power Armor is cheap and common in 40K.
There are 1000 Astartes chapters needing resupply-not every suit is a relic of yore. In addition there are more sisters of battle than there are marines, and while the armour is very different, there must be some cross compatibility. Power armour is expensive, but it is a well understood technology by the techpriests. That's why there's so many bloody variants and why medieval knights on Caliban could maintain powered plate to go with their bolt revolvers.
It's used by inquisitors, interrogators, bounty hunters and doubtless private security forces.

The chances of a common man tripping over power armour on the street are pretty low but he'll probably know what it is if he's from a civilized world.

m1acca1551
05-11-2015, 14:19
Well being the primary armour of the legions that turned traito during the Hersey I'd dare say that MkIV armour is fairly easily gotten amongst chaos warbands.

The legions would have taken many suits with them and most legions that were to side with Horus saw themselves being resupplied above those of loyalist legions. This and the dark mechanicus would have taken the knowledge and the ability to repair and build new suits with them. The capturing of forgeworlds from the imperium would have given the factories and when the time came to flee they'd have taken what they could with them.

Chaos MKIV in the 40k universe is probably similar to that of modern imperium MK types but simply evolved is a different way, renegade forces that have recently turned closer to 40 millenium would probably struggle to access said armour unless they had items to trade or captured a chaos forge world from another warband.

Leftenant Gashrog
05-11-2015, 16:19
In the original armour fluff article in WD129 (which still forms the basis of all the modern write-ups) the traitors did receive the bulk of MkIV issuance prior to the Heresy, but still ran into the same supply problems as the loyalists during it: MkIV was both difficult to repair and replicate "so that suits quickly became unusable due to quite minor battle damage". The traitors were forced to scavenge MkV armour from dead loyalists on the march to Terra and when they reached Mars they took the opportunity to re-equip with the more easily repaired & maintained MkVI. I doubt the traitor legions make much use of it these days, no bloodthirsty renegade is going to want unreliable armour that leaves him overly beholden to the Dark Mechanicum to keep it working.

=Angel=
05-11-2015, 20:48
There's the argument that once you become sufficiently chaos marine, your equipment maintains itself.
Oh sure, the advanced processors of the mk4 suit have long given way to a warp slug that whispers encouragement to do bad deeds, but you still get some kind of Intel on what you're seeing.
You haven't been able to remove the chest piece since your ribs grew into horns that splay through the ceramite but it still keeps your vital organs safe just fine, those of them that are in the same place anyway.

As an aside, I loved ADB's description of Kharns mk4 helm constantly giving him Intel on enemy rhino patterns and planets of manufacture.
I hope that's still going on.