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12-11-2015, 05:12
This is being discussed in groups across the Inter Webz but GW sent out an internal circular to its staff proclaiming the creation of a studio specifically supporting Specilist games

I smell MASSIVE amounts of bull ****:-

1) Supposed memo is a festive seasons greeting but seems a tad early for Xmas cheer

2) GW turned its backs on the Specilist games as they brought in small amounts of revenue and did little to boost sales

3) They barely have enough time to support their core games, let alone dead and buried games!

If my iPhone can, I shall try to post the image being bandied around the interwebz

12-11-2015, 05:46
I've seen the announcement and it really does seem too good to be true. Don't get me wrong, I'd b delighted to be proven wrong but I'm not holding my breath. :(

From a Galaxy far, far away...

12-11-2015, 06:07
Boom - OP edited to include the hoax memo.

Don't get me wrong! I REALLY want this to be true as I've started:

1,000pts of Goblin Town
1,300pts of Erebor

With plans to add Azogs Hunters, the 3 trolls, and Gundabads to team Evil - while grabbing Men of Dale & Lake Town for Team Good (if budget allows I want Great Eagles, named Eagle, Bjorn the Bear, led by Radagast on his Eagle)

I've also got a variety of LOTR forces (Durin's Folk, Easterlings, Mordor, Moria, Harad)

But let's look at the facts...

- LOTR accounts for perhaps 1-2% of sales AT MOST
- The movies are all long done with
- Reduced number of releases as time went on because GW knew that the range wasn't making any profit
- Source books shelved
- Minis going out of stock forever (Dwarf Erebor Captain, Bilbo with Sting, etc)

I just don't see how a specialist division could pull in money, even with those specialist games in tow!

There was a very valid reason those games bit the dust - low sales numbers overall AND didn't really led to other sales from those niche players!

I can't see it, I really don't - which is a shame as secretly I'm praying that the news is true...

12-11-2015, 07:12
Boom - OP edited to include the hoax memo.
FWIW, this announcement has popped up from several GW stores in both AUS and the USA. I won't believe it until an offical public announcement comes from GW HQ, but...

- LOTR accounts for perhaps 1-2% of sales AT MOST
I don't think anyone actually knows what percentage of sales LOTR/Hobbit accounts for, outside of the GW bean counters. Certainly during its hay day LOTR was a significant percentage of GW's profits. Has it sunk that low now? Maybe.

- Source books shelved
This is one thing that would HAVE to happen if they really intended to keep the game alive. Either reprint the books or make the stats and point costs available online.

There was a very valid reason those games bit the dust - low sales numbers overall AND didn't really led to other sales from those niche players!
FWIW when SG was first closed, the word on the Web was that they were not losing money, just that GW though they could make MORE money concentrating on their core games. With sales now falling by all reports on those core games maybe they are willing to give SG another try? As far as SG sales leading to other sales, I don't know anyone who played SG that didn't play either 40k and/or Fantasy, too. It's only anecdotal but in my FLGS I saw a lot of synergy between core and SG that is now often focused on other games (FOW, WarMaHordes, X-Wing, etc.).

I think this idea could actually make sense from a buisness perspective. I just don't have any confidence in GW doing things that make sense. [emoji12]

From a Galaxy far, far away...

12-11-2015, 07:37
Somewhat skeptical that the memo cannot even spell 'Armageddon' correctly. Not to mention the random capitalization and dragging out words like 'Soooooo many'.
Doesn't mean that it's fake, but it does look unprofessional.

12-11-2015, 08:06
FWIW, the posted picture was an announcement put together by some guy at a store in AUS, not an offical announcement from GW HQ. Not saying that makes it true, but it does explain the spelling.

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12-11-2015, 08:26
Business wise this would make a lot of sense, hence I'm sceptical...
If basically FW will take over special games that would mean low volume high quality resins for products with fewer but more discerning customers. With FW's main product line (30k) now encroached upon by GW main it makes sense for them to shift their focus, and specialist games are a perfect fit for hand sculpts and gravity cast resin. Not to they I believe this until official confirmation from GWUK though...

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12-11-2015, 08:43
I'm not really surprised if this is true. The old specialist games minis have been going for crazy prices on eBay for years.

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12-11-2015, 13:00
Hastings has confirmed it (he says that specialist games and forgeworld are being formed into a new department) and he's a pretty reliable source for GW future gazing although he did say we couldn't expect anything soon. Also lots of folk online seem to be backing up and saying that this is what their GW store is saying too... so I supose we can always hope, but lets face it GW will find a way to balls it up like the true stars they are.

12-11-2015, 16:19
At the very least, and this is a great thing, U.S. It's nice having posters back in this otherwise abandoned forum!

I've been working very hard over the last two years to bring SBG back and we've gone from 3 players to 26

I really hope this pans out and we see FW make some scuplts of models!!

12-11-2015, 19:30
There's been another confirmation from one of the UK stores that this is true but it will be six months or more before anything actually happens.

This is either true or the most epic troll of all time.

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Whitwort Stormbringer
13-11-2015, 04:39
Well, exciting-ish news, I suppose. I don't really need new LOTR models, as there are plenty that I still need to collect from the old range, and tons of viable alternatives to fill in the gaps that GW left behind, but if this new specialist games department makes anything sufficiently cool, and it fits into my (admittedly tight) hobby budget, than I'll be a happy camper.

1) Supposed memo is a festive seasons greeting but seems a tad early for Xmas cheer
Clearly, you've never been to the US :p

Xmas decorations start creeping in mid-October, and as soon as Halloween's over they spring up to take over aisles in shops nationwide.

13-11-2015, 12:15
An official announcement has been released by GW that this is true. Still light on details but it is something.

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14-11-2015, 16:06
Wow, I wonder how much of this is due to the Great British Hobbit League and the Unreleased Miniatures guy making miniatures. Good news, hopefully they get some more great sculpts.

16-11-2015, 21:08
Wow, I wonder how much of this is due to the Great British Hobbit League and the Unreleased Miniatures guy making miniatures. Good news, hopefully they get some more great sculpts.

I would like to think...


The GBHL and the GBHL You Tube Channel are nothing short of amazing! My group (The West Coast Hobbits) are even planning to attend their event next October in Manchester! And we are all the way in BC, Canada, so no small trip!

I really hope though that the community responds well to any future releases by BUYING the said product! On one GBHL video they say that less than 1,000 source books sold for the Desolation of Smaug - which is a crying shame as it's a fantastic book with great scenarios and hobby content - even if you don't collect the actual profiles from that book.

The Black Shield
16-11-2015, 21:47
I haven't heard anything about the continuation of the Hobbit or LOTR lines. Neither was considered a specialist game. They were the third line of games from GW. The guy from my local store( who told me about the Horus Heresy games over two years ago) told me that they did not renew their license for the Tolkien line.

17-11-2015, 02:31
Initially i met the news with guarded enthusiasm. 'Looking after' is a very broad term and my first thoughts were that the new studio would simply curate the current line on their section of the website with perhaps the odd new release. More of a care taker role until the licence runs out.

Then i saw the job advert for writers for a Middle Earth battle games and this has cheered me up no end. That strongly implies that we are at least going to see an amalgamation of the rules into a Middle Earth SBG type format. Probably a bit too much to hope that they will do anything with WOTR but who knows, but that game is fairly inaccesable now to anyone new to it.

The real question is whether this actually does anything in improving the amount of people playing SBG. I fear not. The prices for the Hobbit were insane even by GWs standard and i can't see that part of GWs business strategy changing. For a vet like me with a vast collection i will likely keep adding to it here and there but i can't imagine starting from scratch. Also let's not forget that there isn't an awful lot of stuff, of weighty substance, left to do, although i do want an armoured Azog!

So my prediction is that the Hobbit will be removed from having it's own section of the website and shuffled off under the specialist games tab where its range will reside. Eventually we will get a combined Middle Earth SBG core rulebook and that will then be followed by new army book for each faction (oh why did i pay 30 on e-bay for the Free peoples sourcebook). Each book will be accompanied by a handful of new models to plug some gaps.

Great news but lets not kid ourselves that it is going to transform the popularity of the game, but that is Ok since it is a fanstatsic game and it is the loss of the people who don't play it, or do not have deep enough wallets to do so.

The Black Shield
17-11-2015, 21:22
I see what you mean and I guess I was wrong.

18-11-2015, 17:45
If you go on the GW careers page you will see that they are recruiting lots of LOTR and Specialist Games people:


19-11-2015, 01:55
Color me intrigued, but as others have said, I doubt this will change much in the grand scheme of things. Especially if the new stuff is priced as terribly as the Hobbit stuff.

21-11-2015, 15:28
This fills me with confidence about the medium term support for LOTR, as previously noted jobs are being advertised specifically for this line: a Middle-earth product manager, ME writer and ME model designer are being recruited. Three dedicated people is not bad considering how mature the line is and how many rules, books and models have already been released.

Smooth Boy
22-11-2015, 17:29
Exciting news. I personally hated the Hobbit movies so having a catch all 'middle-earth' battle game is the right way to go in my opinion. I was quite into building a war band but the current state of the range is a death sentence and put me off having to pay ridiculous prices for source books (Hey, just like I'm doing for WHFB now!). Would it kill them to release a pdf. of the missing sourcebooks? So I'm hopeful that some restoration of rules and the odd model could really help it flourish again, although it'll probably never reach its 2003 levels. I have to say though, I hope they don't turn it into a full on wargame, the models are too expensive to be fielding 50 - 100 minimum.

22-11-2015, 19:03
I agree about changing the rules. The SBG is probably one of the best things GW ever did and I enjoy playing at the scale it encourages. Fir true mass battles, I'd rather use the OOP 10mm Battle if Five Armies game.

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24-11-2015, 10:23
This is up for another 5 days btw: http://jobs.games-workshop.com/2015/11/13/middle-earth-product-manager-nottingham-uk/

Smooth Boy
24-11-2015, 19:35
God GW's job adverts are so weird, 'no letter, no interview'... well duh. Also the part about attitude > skills... in other words we want a sock puppet.