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Drakkar du Chaos
12-11-2015, 08:41
Warhammer Fantasy Battle too ?

Are GW changing their politics after Age of Sigmar reception ?

Spiney Norman
12-11-2015, 08:46
Warhammer Fantasy Battle too ?

Are GW changing their politics after Age of Sigmar reception ?

I doubt they'd have been able to set up a whole new studio that quickly, my guess is this has been in the pipeline for a while, it seems like an answer to the questions 'what do we do with LotR now?' and 'wow dreadball/x-wing/armada seem to be doing well, how can we get in on that action?'

Either way it does at least appear that GW has been making some much better decisions of late with the Calth box and this new announcement, I guess it remains to be seen whether they are actually listening to what customers want or whether these are 'accidental hits' but long may it continue.

lbecks
12-11-2015, 08:51
They should just go and make a full fledged 9th edition to exist alongside AoS. They can have a big release and sell some movement trays.

Allen
12-11-2015, 09:09
Specialist Games are NOT back. All we have is advertising on unofficial channels in a single geographical area.
For the love of everything you hold sacred guys, MAN UP. All this WHFB situation is getting out of hand pretty quickly...lately when I read Warseer I wonder if I'm still on a wargaming board or on a self-help group for addicted. Oh look, someone posted a flyer full of typos on a store FB page...yeah, surely that means GW HQ is going to put Specialist Games on the shelves worldwide; and that means without doubt WHFB will be back very soon! Yay!

Seriously?! Have anyone at least tried gaming with something different than GW? There's a whole world of different miniature companies and game systems out there. Many of them are ten times more compelling, well-tought and balanced than anything GW ever produced, even in its glorious years.

75hastings69
12-11-2015, 09:24
Specialist Games are NOT back........

are you sure ;)

Drakkar du Chaos
12-11-2015, 09:28
are you sure ;)

Lol :)

Lady Atia also confirmed.


Seriously?! Have anyone at least tried gaming with something different than GW? There's a whole world of different miniature companies and game systems out there. Many of them are ten times more compelling, well-tought and balanced than anything GW ever produced, even in its glorious years.

I'm addicted to Fantasy and 40K lore yeah, it's because of it if i am here, don't really care about others games unless i can use it as proxy rules for Warhammer.

Khastarax
12-11-2015, 09:32
First: the salt due to the way it's made public as mentioned before

Second: Please people, read carefully: "Specialist Product Design Studio" is not the same as 'Specialist games.' With this I wouldn't expect that they bring old games back or even focus on games as GW's not interested in games. This will likely mean that they can work on what they like, bringing out models here and there for various systems. In that way they don't have to support a full line and can focus on what they say is their core model: selling miniatures. They might possibly recognised the market of these older IP's and hopefully saw the financial opportunities with a Forgeworld like margin. Hereby also pleasing (sour) Veterans and collecting some of their hobby budget.

I'm also more at eased when it's grouped with forgeworld, while I like their business model better then GW's.

Soundwave
12-11-2015, 09:45
Well after the sh#! smoothy, why not throw some turmoil into the blender.

Spiney Norman
12-11-2015, 09:50
Specialist Games are NOT back. All we have is advertising on unofficial channels in a single geographical area.
For the love of everything you hold sacred guys, MAN UP. All this WHFB situation is getting out of hand pretty quickly...lately when I read Warseer I wonder if I'm still on a wargaming board or on a self-help group for addicted. Oh look, someone posted a flyer full of typos on a store FB page...yeah, surely that means GW HQ is going to put Specialist Games on the shelves worldwide; and that means without doubt WHFB will be back very soon! Yay!

Seriously?! Have anyone at least tried gaming with something different than GW? There's a whole world of different miniature companies and game systems out there. Many of them are ten times more compelling, well-tought and balanced than anything GW ever produced, even in its glorious years.

By whose estimation does Australia and the US constitute a 'single geographical area'? That's one mighty big area ;) I guess if we keep seeing the same posted on other local Fb pages as we get to store-opening o'clock in the various time zones that will reinforce (or cast greater suspicion) on the voracity of the rumour.

GW has made a few bum decisions recently, there's no denying it, but to take as your default position that everything they do going forward will turn to dust is taking it a bit too far imho.

It might be worth pointing out at this stage that you're not on a 'wargaming board', you're on a Warhammer Board, which might give you a clue why a lot of people who post here are interested in GW games ;) most of us have played these games in the distant past and loved them to bits, so news that they may be getting a new lease of life is exciting.

75hastings69
12-11-2015, 09:53
First: the salt due to the way it's made public as mentioned before

No seasoning required. I just hope you aren't all so hungry you can't wait a while for your food ;)


Second: Please people, read carefully: "Specialist Product Design Studio" is not the same as 'Specialist games.' With this I wouldn't expect that they bring old games back or even focus on games as GW's not interested in games. This will likely mean that they can work on what they like, bringing out models here and there for various systems. In that way they don't have to support a full line and can focus on what they say is their core model: selling miniatures. They might possibly recognised the market of these older IP's and hopefully saw the financial opportunities with a Forgeworld like margin. Hereby also pleasing (sour) Veterans and collecting some of their hobby budget.

Hmmm, maybe you should read carefully ;) Highlighted for correction.


I'm also more at eased when it's grouped with forgeworld, while I like their business model better then GW's.

You'll be at ease then :)

Allen
12-11-2015, 09:54
are you sure ;)

Can't be sure without insider information, obviously. But according to the info we have at the moment I'm pretty confident that Specialist Games are not coming back: unofficial channels used for advertising, only a small part of a single country involved, news with pretty bad marketing layout and with spelling typos.

If you have more info about the subject, please share: nothing could make me more happy than GW putting back online their introductive skirmish games...but unless you have something to add to the pretty sketchy info we have for now, yeah: it's pretty difficult believing SP are coming back.

75hastings69
12-11-2015, 09:57
GW has made a few bum decisions recently, there's no denying it, but to take as your default position that everything they do going forward will turn to dust is taking it a bit too far imho.

Indeed. Could be worth noting it's not GW though.


It might be worth pointing out at this stage that you're not on a 'wargaming board', you're on a Warhammer Board, which might give you a clue why a lot of people who post here are interested in GW games ;) most of us have played these games in the distant past and loved them to bits, so news that they may be getting a new lease of life is exciting.

Actually it is a wargaming board, unless GW have the rights to infinity, hordes, x-wing, batman etc. by magic. Warseer is not purely about warhammer/GW and never has been, not even back in the days of portent. They might be the biggest draw but they aint the whole show. ;)

Drakkar du Chaos
12-11-2015, 10:06
Actually it is a wargaming board, unless GW have the rights to infinity, hordes, x-wing, batman etc. by magic. Warseer is not purely about warhammer/GW and never has been, not even back in the days of portent. They might be the biggest draw but they aint the whole show. ;)

They are something like 10.000 threads about no-GW games on Warseer (for example privater press forum is 2400). WHFB general discussion has 2x that (19000).
Warseer has 400.000 thread. Warseer is mostly about Warhammer ;)

Horace35
12-11-2015, 10:06
Well it's only taken years of moaning, I wonder if it is in any part due to the communities reaction or it is just because it has been decided upon high to try and nab some ££ from the IP.

The news is good but GW recent history leaves me very skeptical about all this. Any ideas if this is something to get excited about hastings or will it end in disappointment? (bearing in mind my attitude to recent times is along the same lines as your own :)

Cheeslord
12-11-2015, 10:08
It's strange that nobody on this thread seems to have put a link to the actual evidence of this, or even given details of where the evidence comes from (other than someone saying it is on a stores facebook page).

Or am I missing something?

Mark.

75hastings69
12-11-2015, 10:08
They are something like 10.000 threads about no-GW games on Warseer (for example privater press forum is 2400). WHFB general discussion has 2x that (19000).
Warseer has 400.000 thread. Warseer is mostly about Warhammer ;)

Mostly yes, but it is not a WARHMMER Forum.

Drakkar du Chaos
12-11-2015, 10:09
Well it's only taken years of moaning, I wonder if it is in any part due to the communities reaction or it is just because it has been decided upon high to try and nab some ££ from the IP.

For now it's just an announcement that they will bring back Specialist Games, nothing more. I doubt it's a long planned thing, looks like a pretty recent decision to me.

75hastings69
12-11-2015, 10:11
Well it's only taken years of moaning, I wonder if it is in any part due to the communities reaction or it is just because it has been decided upon high to try and nab some ££ from the IP.

The news is good but GW recent history leaves me very skeptical about all this. Any ideas if this is something to get excited about hastings or will it end in disappointment? (bearing in mind my attitude to recent times is along the same lines as your own :)

It's been in the works for some time. Not GW.


It's strange that nobody on this thread seems to have put a link to the actual evidence of this, or even given details of where the evidence comes from (other than someone saying it is on a stores facebook page).

Or am I missing something?

Mark.

If it had evidence it would cease to be a rumour and become fact ;)

75hastings69
12-11-2015, 10:13
Well it's only taken years of moaning, I wonder if it is in any part due to the communities reaction or it is just because it has been decided upon high to try and nab some ££ from the IP.

The news is good but GW recent history leaves me very skeptical about all this. Any ideas if this is something to get excited about hastings or will it end in disappointment? (bearing in mind my attitude to recent times is along the same lines as your own :)


For now it's just an announcement that they will bring back Specialist Games, nothing more. I doubt it's a long planned thing, looks like a pretty recent decision to me.

It's been planned for quite a while, 12 months at least that I am aware of. Check some of my (rather ranty) posts about standalone games, then read between the lines a bit ;)

Zywus
12-11-2015, 10:18
It would be a very reasonable thing to do by GW. I wonder if it's not too little to late though. There's many games on the market that have filled the niches left behind and now the GW games have to compete with those on an even playingfield.

That said. If it's true, It would be possible to lure me into getting a BB team or some ships to my Ork fleet I'm missing. GW has lost most of it's benefit of doubt for me though so I wont buy anything ruleswise until I've heard some positive reviews.

Allen
12-11-2015, 10:19
It's strange that nobody on this thread seems to have put a link to the actual evidence of this, or even given details of where the evidence comes from (other than someone saying it is on a stores facebook page).

Or am I missing something?

Mark.

It's a photo/leaflet on the Facebook page of the GW store in Belconnen, Australia. The leaflet exist, you can easily look at it on their FB page right now, what I doubt is the veridicity of its contents. As I said to Hastings, at the moment the claim of a brand new corporate division bringing back Specialist Games is pretty unbelievable. Why advertising that on a store FB page, with a quite amateur-ish leaflet where there are at least a couple of spelling errors?

If there are insider information about that, please share. If not, let's see if those rumors becomes official. As I said, I'd be happy to see GW skirmish games back in their rightful place as entry/recruiting points for the hobby...but according to what we have now the idea of Specialist Games coming back is just wishful thinking.

75hastings69
12-11-2015, 10:25
It would be a very reasonable thing to do by GW.

Arrrrrrggggh, IT IS NOT GW!!! for the 5th time!


It's a photo/leaflet on the Facebook page of the GW store in Belconnen, Australia. The leaflet exist, you can easily look at it on their FB page right now, what I doubt is the veridicity of its contents. As I said to Hastings, at the moment the claim of a brand new corporate division bringing back Specialist Games is pretty unbelievable. Why advertising that on a store FB page, with a quite amateur-ish leaflet where there are at least a couple of spelling errors?

If there are insider information about that, please share. If not, let's see if those rumors becomes official. As I said, I'd be happy to see GW skirmish games back in their rightful place as entry/recruiting points for the hobby...but according to what we have now the idea of Specialist Games coming back is just wishful thinking.

Right, so for the benefit of those that like to look at pictures but not actually read....

The "poster" was made by an Australian GW store manager, not by any marketing department, not by HQ etc., he made the poster himself to send to his colleagues having been given the ok to do so. The contents of the poster are accurate. His spelling etc. not so much.

NoobLord
12-11-2015, 10:29
Arrrrrrggggh, IT IS NOT GW!!! for the 5th time!

So does this mean we are talking about resin products only then?

Drakkar du Chaos
12-11-2015, 10:33
So does this mean we are talking about resin products only then?

It's mean we are also talking about ForgeWorld prices.

Zywus
12-11-2015, 10:35
Arrrrrrggggh, IT IS NOT GW!!! for the 5th time!
I realize that the flier talks about a new studio that would presumably be run by the FW people as it's core; but the decision to bring back the spec games is still a decision by GW, and the new studio would still be s subsidiary to GW, like FW is today, right?

Or are you insinuating that GW has sold the rights to the spec games IP to someone else or something?

75hastings69
12-11-2015, 10:35
So does this mean we are talking about resin products only then?

No. Who do you think did the HH boxed game?


It's mean we are also talking about ForgeWorld prices.

See point above.

Khastarax
12-11-2015, 10:36
Hmmm, maybe you should read carefully ;) Highlighted for correction.

Touché... :)

NoobLord
12-11-2015, 10:38
Hmm. This is a bit like 20 Questions ;) Will be interesting to see how things unfold anyway.

lbecks
12-11-2015, 10:45
So the blood bowl starter is back on track? How about a stadium? They would sell loads of them.

stortotta
12-11-2015, 10:46
Oh please, PLEASE, let it be so!! If this is true, it will be very hard on my wallet, and I don't care!

Allen
12-11-2015, 10:48
Right, so for the benefit of those that like to look at pictures but not actually read....

The "poster" was made by an Australian GW store manager, not by any marketing department, not by HQ etc., he made the poster himself to send to his colleagues having been given the ok to do so. The contents of the poster are accurate. His spelling etc. not so much.

Sorry Hastings, but we're back in square one.
As I said, I doubt of the contents of the leaflet. As far as I know store managers were never considered a trusted source: he created the leaflet telling us that Specialist Games will be back under the aegis of a new studio, part of GW group (be it forgeworld or whatever other part of GW corporate world is involved). Who gave that store manager this information? How? When?

Again, unless we have insider information or more info about that...at the moment seems extremely unlikely. I'm heartened that a rumour guru with your reputation seems to hint that the leaflet is solid news; but you just seem to hint - at least from my side of the screen. Unless there's more hard data about that leaflet, I remain skeptic.

Drakkar du Chaos
12-11-2015, 10:49
Oh please, PLEASE, let it be so!! If this is true, it will be very hard on my wallet, and I don't care!

It is true.

IMO my wallet is still waiting for 9th so i do not think i will spent for SG until GW start to made what i am waiting for.

Warhams-77
12-11-2015, 10:53
Does Prodos Games have a connection to these changes or was that a wrong assumption a few weeks ago? Jarek from Prodos was also posting about a return of Epic, BFG and other games recently when he came back from a visit in Nottingham.

Buddy Bear
12-11-2015, 11:27
Arrrrrrggggh, IT IS NOT GW!!! for the 5th time!

If not GW, then who? The Forge World people? Are they simply grouped in with this under the direction of someone else, or are they actually running the show in that department?

Horace35
12-11-2015, 11:29
It will be interesting to see how they go. Necromunda and Bloodbowl certainly peek my interest, shame there isn't a magazine of any substance to lend support because it works well with these more campaign-y games

Definitely a harder market to go back into now they have ceded the territory for years, hopefully they have some top notch models to win people over

75hastings69
12-11-2015, 11:37
Sorry Hastings, but we're back in square one.
As I said, I doubt of the contents of the leaflet. As far as I know store managers were never considered a trusted source: he created the leaflet telling us that Specialist Games will be back under the aegis of a new studio, part of GW group (be it forgeworld or whatever other part of GW corporate world is involved). Who gave that store manager this information? How? When?

Again, unless we have insider information or more info about that...at the moment seems extremely unlikely. I'm heartened that a rumour guru with your reputation seems to hint that the leaflet is solid news; but you just seem to hint - at least from my side of the screen. Unless there's more hard data about that leaflet, I remain skeptic.

Yep it was just a hint, nothing too subtle though.............


Arrrrrrggggh, IT IS NOT GW!!! for the 5th time!



Right, so for the benefit of those that like to look at pictures but not actually read....

The "poster" was made by an Australian GW store manager, not by any marketing department, not by HQ etc., he made the poster himself to send to his colleagues having been given the ok to do so. The contents of the poster are accurate. His spelling etc. not so much.

Soundwave
12-11-2015, 11:51
Straya for the win! Why the hell would such big news come from here first? Seems odd being so insignificant and all in the scheme of things. The only reason being we are a touch ahead in time to most other countries. Maybe later tonight/today for the rest of the world.

Malagor
12-11-2015, 11:51
Well this is good news.
I have been wanting to give Battlefleet Gothic a try

GrandmasterWang
12-11-2015, 11:53
Straya for the win! Why the hell would such big news come from here first? Seems odd being so insignificant and all in the scheme of things. The only reason being we are a touch ahead in time to most other countries. Maybe later tonight/today for the rest of the world.
Straya!!!

It's because we get ripped second most after our Anzac brothers New Zealand

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Soundwave
12-11-2015, 12:03
I could imagine G.W hq Friday afternoon Kirby sipping his twelfth martini
"Let's release the news down there in that convict island and see how long it takes to reach the mother country. I would say 30 min but factor in their crap internet connection, so maybe an hour".

Allen
12-11-2015, 12:07
Yep it was just a hint, nothing too subtle though.............

Then I'll wait with fingers crossed, hoping for the return of those much-needed rulesets (hopefully revamped and improved).
According to what you wrote earlier, the waiting coul take a while so I'll keep my salt close just to be sure.

Deadhorse
12-11-2015, 12:30
So they are reversing one of their dumbest decisions of all time. Well, better after a decade then never, good for them.

Now they only need to reverse a couple more and they might stop their decline.

mmc1uk
12-11-2015, 12:49
I hope they consider bringing back Dark future

ihavetoomuchminis
12-11-2015, 13:56
If not GW, then who? The Forge World people? Are they simply grouped in with this under the direction of someone else, or are they actually running the show in that department?

I'd like to know more about this

Smooth Boy
12-11-2015, 14:03
Well I'm usually one of the biggest cynics on here but if this is true then I can only say I'm excited to maybe see Bloodbowl and BFG again. I hope it could also be a home for WHFB.

Zywus
12-11-2015, 14:04
If not GW, then who? The Forge World people? Are they simply grouped in with this under the direction of someone else, or are they actually running the show in that department?


I'd like to know more about this
I too am intrigued by this insistence that it's not GW handling this future Spec. games business.

Even FW is ultimately a part of GW although they run their business rather independent (and much more competently)

Chikout
12-11-2015, 14:11
Fantasy flight?!!?

Zywus
12-11-2015, 14:14
Fantasy flight?!!?


Who do you think did the HH boxed game?
Could it be!?

Have we had any indications that FF was involved in Betrayal at Calth?

Spiney Norman
12-11-2015, 14:16
Mostly yes, but it is not a WARHMMER Forum.

But this is the WARHAMMER GENERAL board, or have I been magically transported to a completely different place?

Warseer as a whole has space for all these different games, but this particular corner of it is for warhammer discussion, no?

I'm interested to know what you mean by 'not Gw', I thought it was all GW (including FW technically right?), or do you just mean it's just a separate part of the company from the mooks that have progressively ruined wfb and 40k?

Allen
12-11-2015, 14:22
Fantasy flight?!!?

In the thread in GW General one of the user posted this:


So I'm guessing it will be different from what we are expecting. What we are expecting is a return to how 'specialist games' were run, but what we are probably getting is a branch akin to Fantasy Flight Games that produces GW License board games that double as miniature games.

...and Hastings commented that he was "spot on". So we're not talking about the return of Specialist Games proper, but the commercialization of some boardgames related to them. Probably inspired both rule and model-wise by their old SP counterparts, but (as far as I can understand/imagine) certaintly not a resurrection of the old games.

Zywus
12-11-2015, 14:25
I could see that happening.

FantasyFlight designed boardgames inspired by the old specialist games 'proper' miniature games, hopefully with real miniatures that can be used in the old games in the vein of the Battle at Calth box that's one part boardgame and one part actual miniatures usable in 30k or 40k.

Geep
12-11-2015, 14:32
...and Hastings commented that he was "spot on". So we're not talking about the return of Specialist Games proper, but the commercialization of some boardgames related to them. Probably inspired both rule and model-wise by their old SP counterparts, but (as far as I can understand/imagine) certaintly not a resurrection of the old games.
That is still potentially excellent. It does, unfortunately, make it likely that only the major races for each game will see new (or at least re-released) models. Also, GW boxed game prices are kind of crazy- so it'll be annoying to have to pay big bucks for a box of random models when probably only one or two are actually wanted (at least by veterans). Bits stores could make a lot of profit.

It does seem like a great way to draw new blood to the specialist games, and that's great.

Spiney Norman
12-11-2015, 14:34
I could see that happening.

FantasyFlight designed boardgames inspired by the old specialist games 'proper' miniature games, hopefully with real miniatures that can be used in the old games in the vein of the Battle at Calth box that's one part boardgame and one part actual miniatures usable in 30k or 40k.

That would be incredible if true, imagine Battle fleet gothic using the flightpath system or the Armada mechanics, it could be glorious...

Allen
12-11-2015, 14:38
Well how about I was DEADLY wrong.

Directly from Hastings in the other thread, I forward it to you in order to dispel some of our guessings:



Yes, keep clutching at straws mate :) ;) games inspired by games with exactly the same names etc. it's just pure coincidence :D

When I said Bram was spot on I was referring to the fact that SG will not be how it used to be. This team will almost be like a FFG within FW producing our old favourites, not everything is a board game, imagine other classic tabletop games getting an update, doesn't mean they have to change into a boardgame format. Specialist Games ARE coming back, only with a slightly different name with an updated product and not under the direct (incompetent) control of GW.

Oh boy. That are some pretty clear and interesting news indeed. Non-GW controlled Specialist Games? Sounds suspiciously similar to Warlord Games to me :D Jokes aside, without GW meddling the potential is very high. Let's hope they don't leave us too much time here waiting.

75hastings69
12-11-2015, 16:40
But this is the WARHAMMER GENERAL board, or have I been magically transported to a completely different place?

Warseer as a whole has space for all these different games, but this particular corner of it is for warhammer discussion, no?

I'm interested to know what you mean by 'not Gw', I thought it was all GW (including FW technically right?), or do you just mean it's just a separate part of the company from the mooks that have progressively ruined wfb and 40k?

Ah apologies Spiney my misunderstanding.

By NOT GW I mean FW, hopefully that's concise enough for everyone and has no grey areas.

Drakkar du Chaos
12-11-2015, 16:45
Oh boy. That are some pretty clear and interesting news indeed. Non-GW controlled Specialist Games? Sounds suspiciously similar to Warlord Games to me :D Jokes aside, without GW meddling the potential is very high. Let's hope they don't leave us too much time here waiting.

Well don't forget the announcement is about the creation of a new team dedicated to Specialist Games. It's a long road before anything comes out of it. IMO i will not wait anything about it before next summer.

What i am waiting right now is more something like "sorry for AoS guys, 9th incoming" ;)

Okuto
12-11-2015, 16:48
Specialist games back? doubtable, even if my beloved Mordheim came back there's already good competition in that field. I doubt GW would manage to pry me off frostgrave, dreadball and X-wing/armada with their versions.

Spiney Norman
12-11-2015, 17:05
Well don't forget the announcement is about the creation of a new team dedicated to Specialist Games. It's a long road before anything comes out of it. IMO i will not wait anything about it before next summer.

What i am waiting right now is more something like "sorry for AoS guys, 9th incoming" ;)

That's fine really, if I'm done painting up Betrayal at Calth by next summer it'll be a miracle anyway.

What exactly has happened here? I mean when did we last talk about GW products that we could be seeing in 8+months time... mind=blown

Elithis Lives
12-11-2015, 17:24
This, exactly this!

I hope they consider bringing back Dark future

Dosiere
12-11-2015, 17:34
I haven't seen what this hype is about, but I would be really surprised. It seems to go against everything over the past half decade and some very recent communications from GW. Is the point that they will be doing some new games or that they will be bringing back and supporting old ones?

Vazalaar
12-11-2015, 17:38
I haven't seen what this hype is about, but I would be really surprised. It seems to go against everything over the past half decade and some very recent communications from GW. Is the point that they will be doing some new games or that they will be bringing back and supporting old ones?

The pessimism is :rolleyes:.

It seems that FW will be responsible for this, this is huge news!

Btw because GW stopped years ago with Specialist Games means they never may do it again... . :eek:

75hastings69
12-11-2015, 17:39
I mean when did we last talk about GW products that we could be seeing in 8+months time... mind=blown

Back in february when I told you about the HH box game? although technically that was 9 months ;)

Dosiere
12-11-2015, 17:41
Why is does it seem strange or pessimistic to you to be surprised that GW would turn around and start supporting games they specifically said in recent history they no longer want to support?

Spiney Norman
12-11-2015, 17:44
Back in february when I told you about the HH box game? although technically that was 9 months ;)

And we massively appreciate the services you render, but still, getting an official announcement from the company that never talks is something quite extraordinary

Drakkar du Chaos
12-11-2015, 17:45
Why is does it seem strange or pessimistic to you to be surprised that GW would turn around and start supporting games they specifically said in recent history they no longer want to support?

If the SG are back in business it means the same can also happens for WHFB.

Dosiere
12-11-2015, 17:49
If the SG are back in business it means the same can also happens for WHFB.

Well, that would be cool. But WFB is so... huge? compared to those games. It seems like they would have to strip it down a bit to make it something that doesn't need as much support and attention.

Vazalaar
12-11-2015, 17:57
Why is does it seem strange or pessimistic to you to be surprised that GW would turn around and start supporting games they specifically said in recent history they no longer want to support?

Maybe GW can change? Afterall FW is doing something right with their Heresy stuff... If this news can't get you excited, than maybe it is time to move on. ;)

75hastings69
12-11-2015, 18:02
Why is does it seem strange or pessimistic to you to be surprised that GW would turn around and start supporting games they specifically said in recent history they no longer want to support?

RIGHT, enough with the GW already, GW are not supporting SG FORGEWORLD ARE.

Dagnammit!!! :(

Dosiere
12-11-2015, 18:05
Maybe GW can change? Afterall FW is doing something right with their Heresy stuff... If this news can't get you excited, than maybe it is time to move on. ;)

Ah yes this post, even with a winky! Thanks. I don't think my excitement level over a non-existent product relates directly to me being a member here. Does it? Apparently you know best, so let me know for sure.

FW Heresy stuff is pretty good, although super expensive.

Dosiere
12-11-2015, 18:06
RIGHT, enough with the GW already, GW are not supporting SG FORGEWORLD ARE.

Dagnammit!!! :(

True, that point got past me a bit. I didn't think there wasn't really as big of a separation as there used to be? Do they still have completely separate staff and so forth?

75hastings69
12-11-2015, 18:23
Yes, and totally different management. GW have chosen to do **** all with SG for ages, they're released a pile of ***** with AoS and are now pretty much a one trick pony (40K), FW are totally different their attitude at events, the product quality the quality of their printed material etc. the fact that GWs big money maker 30k box set wasn't even done by GW speaks volumes. GW are all out of ideas, and have no idea how to work with what they have access to, they have no idea about customer relations, they have no idea about advertsing or communication, they have no idea what the community wants. Forgeworld are the opposite, as they have proven again by choosing to actually do something with the IP/games that GW has just left doing nothing.

Urgat
12-11-2015, 18:24
It seems that FW will be responsible for this, this is huge news!

Yeah... They were also responsible for bringing back chaos dwarfs, and stopped half-way through. As they did with Monstrous Arcanum. As they did with the Tamurkhan series. As they did with Black Fire Pass (nah, kidding, they stopped before starting, there). As they did with everything not Space Marine or Tau, actually.
I don't know why people deem FW more competent than GW, they're doing the same: space marines, and then more space marines.

Jadawin
12-11-2015, 19:00
Yeah... They were also responsible for bringing back chaos dwarfs, and stopped half-way through. As they did with Monstrous Arcanum. As they did with the Tamurkhan series. As they did with Black Fire Pass (nah, kidding, they stopped before starting, there). As they did with everything not Space Marine or Tau, actually.
I don't know why people deem FW more competent than GW, they're doing the same: space marines, and then more space marines.

Reading through this thread this is exactly what I was thinking, anything that doesnt sell will be canned whether its FW or GW. IMHO nobody in their right mind can be expecting fully fleshed out re releases of specialist games with ongoing support and model releases, its just not going to happen. One off boxed sets to gouge nostalgic vets and fanboys sounds more likely to me. Oh and lots of promises of "lots more releases for BFG/Mordheim/Epic 40k to come...etc etc.

Captain Marius
12-11-2015, 19:03
FW are a division of GW. I suspect they are the 'eating it' to GW's 'here have some cake'. Just enough to keep some of the (rich!) vets happy and still contributing to gw's revenues.

Still, if their mandate is talk to the customers, and release some of their awesome stuff in plastic (im not a fan of resin) then woohoo! Ill gladly pick up BFG where i left off, tho i dont imagine warmaster and mordheim will reappear with quite the same background...

akai
12-11-2015, 19:10
Glad to hear there will be different games again for their game settings. Forge World is part of Games Workshop correct? Not a division, but a subsidiary...not sure how independent Forge World is from Games Workshop. I have mixed opinion on Forge World, similar to my opinion I have on Games Workshop.

Baragash
12-11-2015, 19:12
Yeah... They were also responsible for bringing back chaos dwarfs, and stopped half-way through. As they did with Monstrous Arcanum. As they did with the Tamurkhan series. As they did with Black Fire Pass (nah, kidding, they stopped before starting, there). As they did with everything not Space Marine or Tau, actually.
I don't know why people deem FW more competent than GW, they're doing the same: space marines, and then more space marines.

Their rules and play-testing are no better than main studio either. There is no chance of me getting excited until I can actually see good rules.

RPGknight
12-11-2015, 19:27
I’m just happy with the prospect of it, even if it never comes to full fruition. If FW is where anything other than space marines goes to die, atleast theirs a ray of hope that there will be new models and possibly good rules for dead games. On the price front, it can’t be any more offensive than £35 for marauders…

Vazalaar
12-11-2015, 19:58
What the heck happened with GW! :D Have they finally seen the light.

It is official confirmed months ahead! (This is madness :) )

Now this from Atia's blog,


- Blood Bowl is ready to go in theory, 4 teams for the start
- EPIC should be set during the Horus Heresy
- Battlefleet Gothic should also get Heresy support
- the FW team is working on these new games too (surprise surprise - yeah, they are part of the specialists team)
- old and new stuff to come
- Hobbit/LotR is no longer a main system anymore - but they have the rights, so they will support it for now

I am starting to get emotional. :D

Urgat
12-11-2015, 20:03
(im not a fan of resin)
It doesn't help that this grey resin they use is of dubious quality. I have chinese bootleg garage kits with way better resin. How twisted is that?


Their rules and play-testing are no better than main studio either. There is no chance of me getting excited until I can actually see good rules.
True, they gave us the squig launcher and the K'dai destroyer. I have no idea how it is for 40K.


On the price front, it can’t be any more offensive than £35 for marauders…
Excepted, dunno, £39 for 10 chaos dwarfs, of course. As I said, people have a false vision of FW.

I hope I'm wrong, but for now, they've come short on every, and I do mean every of the projects they announced that I was looking forward to. When I'm looking at my copy of Monstrous Arcanum, with that big "1" that will never be followed by a "2", it makes me cringe.

Konovalev
12-11-2015, 20:05
Could this be the first time GW does something that isn't a sign of their impending downfall and malevolent intent? What's the party line on this news?


It doesn't help that this grey resin they use is of dubious quality. I have chinese bootleg garage kits with way better resin. How twisted is that?

Indeed. I picked up a deredeo dreadnought off ebay that was clearly "chinacast" and it was immaculate.

gormaster
12-11-2015, 20:34
Well, well, how soon we forget. How can anyone of a sound mind give a rip about this after GW`s (or FW) trashing of WFB? If any of this is true (I have surrendered my disbelief because of Hastings word) they are likely to bring out these games for a short term solution to the mess they have made with AoS. Then after they have sucked some more cash from your pockets they will kill your beloved games a second time. No, it will take more than this before they see a penny of mine. I urge caution people lest you find yourselves laying flat on your backs starring up at the ceiling yet again.

Coldhatred
12-11-2015, 20:50
I'm excited. Being FW means nothing to me, but the way I read the announcement going around it looks like FW will become a part of this new "Specialist Product Design Studio" not it being a part of FW. GW still had to OK this so call me optimistic.

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sephiroth87
12-11-2015, 20:51
RIGHT, enough with the GW already, GW are not supporting SG FORGEWORLD ARE.

Dagnammit!!! :(
I don't understand this. In any other corporation, any subsidiary is still controlled by the parent. It's not like forge world is a different group. It's just a group that is given a lax hand. If Chevrolet makes a car, General motors still approves it. The only way what you're saying could be true would be if gw sold forge world. Or if you could clarify your statement, I would appreciate it.

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Drakkar du Chaos
12-11-2015, 21:09
Well, well, how soon we forget. How can anyone of a sound mind give a rip about this after GW`s (or FW) trashing of WFB? If any of this is true (I have surrendered my disbelief because of Hastings word) they are likely to bring out these games for a short term solution to the mess they have made with AoS. Then after they have sucked some more cash from your pockets they will kill your beloved games a second time. No, it will take more than this before they see a penny of mine. I urge caution people lest you find yourselves laying flat on your backs starring up at the ceiling yet again.

Dont see the problem here. If GW, or FW, whatever, is producing the new Specialist Game with the same level of quality than AoS i am not going to give them a penny. Simple as that.

Makure
12-11-2015, 21:22
The one good thing about GW's terrible prices here in NZ is that ordering direct from ForgeWorld is actually cheaper than from GW here. (dependant on the state of the exchange rate of course)
Making any specialist games MORE attractive from ForgeWorld.

Spiney Norman
12-11-2015, 21:44
- EPIC should be set during the Horus Heresy
- Battlefleet Gothic should also get Heresy support

Please stop with the unfettered tide of awesome, my nerves cannot stand it and my wallet is going into cardiac arrest.

Battlefleet Heresy would most likely be the perfect outcome of this new SG arrangement for me, I actually can't think of any game I would rather spend money on just for the combination of awesome models and brilliant IP, being able to refight battles like the naval engagements at Calth, Nuceria and Armatura or the flight of the Eisenstein would be absolutely amazing.

Zywus
12-11-2015, 22:25
I don't understand this. In any other corporation, any subsidiary is still controlled by the parent. It's not like forge world is a different group. It's just a group that is given a lax hand. If Chevrolet makes a car, General motors still approves it. The only way what you're saying could be true would be if gw sold forge world. Or if you could clarify your statement, I would appreciate it.

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I second this. I don't get hasting's point here.
While the development on these future spec. games will be done by the new studio, it's a GW decision to bring them back in the first place. That's what people mean when they commend GW for bringing back spec. games.

2DSick
12-11-2015, 22:43
All I'm hoping for I 'no more dogshite rules'

I already have plenty of 'specialist' models and old rulebooks.... The living rulebooks are there...


This doesn't excite me at all... And I'm the veteran specialist gamer the flyer talks about....

Too little too late geedub.

Whirlwind
12-11-2015, 22:54
I am hopeful I would say on this news. If it is just HH in different scales then I'm less bothered because I'm not too fussed by all marine on marine action. However if they brought out redesigned armies for warmaster using the WFB background, new bfg ships in the 40k universe, updated epic models, renewed man o war etc then I'd love it because they were good games.

My only concern would be how long GW would let FW carry on with them if sales exceeded AoS and GW saw them as cannabilising this game as they did previously?

Tupinamba
12-11-2015, 23:04
Well, well, how soon we forget. How can anyone of a sound mind give a rip about this after GW`s (or FW) trashing of WFB? If any of this is true (I have surrendered my disbelief because of Hastings word) they are likely to bring out these games for a short term solution to the mess they have made with AoS. Then after they have sucked some more cash from your pockets they will kill your beloved games a second time. No, it will take more than this before they see a penny of mine. I urge caution people lest you find yourselves laying flat on your backs starring up at the ceiling yet again.

+1

I for one haven´t forgotten. As much as I still like their universes, I´d rather support a company like Hawk or Corvus Belli. And will get better value for money on top of it.

Tyberos
13-11-2015, 00:03
I was skeptical about this until I saw the news of the new team being setup on the Warhammer App. I feel dirty for downloading it though.



unofficial channels used for advertising, only a small part of a single country involved, news with pretty bad marketing layout and with spelling typos.

However when has Games Workshop ever not used unofficial channels to push their products, or put in a hefty dose of errors and typos? I'm looking at you BoLS (advertising) and Games Workshop Webstore / Codexes (typos).

Geep
13-11-2015, 00:42
- EPIC should be set during the Horus Heresy
- Battlefleet Gothic should also get Heresy support
This disappoints me- I really hope they expand beyond the HH with these games. On the one hand it's a great way to boost Imperial and Chaos forces and fleets, but they're already fairly common (bar a few particular models). I'd really like to see new Orks and Tyranids for Epic, and pretty much anything non-IG or Chaos for BFG.
Of course, plastic battleship-size models get my thumbs up no matter the race- big lead weights on flimsy flying stands has never been a good idea.


Well, well, how soon we forget. How can anyone of a sound mind give a rip about this after GW`s (or FW) trashing of WFB? If any of this is true (I have surrendered my disbelief because of Hastings word) they are likely to bring out these games for a short term solution to the mess they have made with AoS. Then after they have sucked some more cash from your pockets they will kill your beloved games a second time. No, it will take more than this before they see a penny of mine. I urge caution people lest you find yourselves laying flat on your backs starring up at the ceiling yet again.
You don't need to forget or forgive GW for AoS to be excited by this. It's possible to accept some good news and not carry the hate just for the hell of it.
I also think you're right- these releases will be short, and they will be scrapped way earlier than I'd like. I expect that, and it doesn't matter. What does matter is that, for at least a short duration, we will have new (or at least more easily accessible) models, probably cheaper than for what you can currently get them for (if you like even cheaper proxies you're still not losing anything here). It may also help to draw in fresh blood to these games, which is always good for the community long-term.


All I'm hoping for I 'no more dogshite rules'

I already have plenty of 'specialist' models and old rulebooks.... The living rulebooks are there...
Who gives a damn about the rules they release? The living rulebooks are well established in the communities, and won't be shifting (unless there's somehow a massive swing in FW/GW rules quality). This is pretty much all about the models- and can anyone honestly say they've got enough models for their favourite games? :p

MagicAngle
13-11-2015, 01:00
This is pretty much all about the models- and can anyone honestly say they've got enough models for their favourite games? :p

Very much this.

At worst, FW releases some new models for some long-OOP games that you wont buy. At best, there's a whole bunch of beautiful new sculpts that no-one ever thought would see the light of day, and you can go hog wild buying them.

Will they swear a solemn oath to support the new games for the entirety of the 3rd millenium? Nope. Nor should they. They'll make minis as long as folks are buying them.

ntw3001
13-11-2015, 03:35
Who gives a damn about the rules they release? The living rulebooks are well established in the communities, and won't be shifting (unless there's somehow a massive swing in FW/GW rules quality). This is pretty much all about the models- and can anyone honestly say they've got enough models for their favourite games? [emoji14]

I care about the rules. The Necromunda community has a good community ruleset and a huge library of additional material that's been produced over the years. The possibility of GW Legal going nuts over it isn't enticing. Nor is the unavoidable division of the community. There will be new players coming in which is fine, but who cares if they're playing a different game? I love the idea of SGs coming back, but tbh I'd rather they went for new games in new settings. Mixing Necromunda, Gorkamorka and Dark future would be a great and noble endeavour.

Geep
13-11-2015, 05:03
If GW was going to crack down on community rules they would have already. I don't think I've ever known them to give a damn about rules, they pursue model IP infringements. That big library of Necromunda stuff isn't going anywhere. Besides, even if GW did try, there's no way you could stamp out that fire.

There may be some community division, but I expect it to be pretty minimal. At worst you'll have to agree beforehand if you want to play 'oldschool' or 'newschool' rules- your 'oldschool' rules are no less unsupported than they are now, and the established community are veterans- 'newschool' rules won't get a look-in unless they really deserve it.

New players will, most likely, start out with the new rules- but these games are going to be stand alone products. When the newbies want to branch out from that constricted setting you'll be around to introduce them to the full gamut of community rules. Sure, not all newbies will transition over- but some beats none.

Kyriakin
13-11-2015, 07:17
If this ends up with a plastic Warmaster - set in the Old World, of course - I will forgive everything.

Danforth
13-11-2015, 07:27
I'm guessing if Hastings thinks the distinction between GW and the new division is important enough to stress, then it's significant. There are Disney-Pixar tie-ups (close), then there are Disney-Marvel tie-ups (more at arm's length).

I have visions of the new division working only at night, using GW manuacturing's downtime, like sneaky night goblins :) (NB I have no idea if GW factories actually have downtime)

I'd preorder a new Dark Future. Had hours of fun with that back in the day.

williamsond
13-11-2015, 07:34
I think the saving grace of forgeworld is their general manager/ head guy at forge world (I can't remember his name for the life of me) is a strong character who is not afraid to rock the boat, almost part of the old guard of GW. ( I know this as i have a few buddies who have worked there in the past)

He's in the enviable position where he ran with an idea when no one was looking and made it a success and so now he has a level of autonomy. This is why forge world is so much more creative than GW main and from humble beginings (where no one at GW cared what they did) they have become very profitable. Within GW its the last bastion of the old way of making modles and games. While it's not completeley free from the interferance of GW main its as good as you will get over there. If any one can make games like we used to love it will be these guys.

Urgat
13-11-2015, 07:39
+1

I for one haven´t forgotten.
Forgotten what? They did away with a game, they didn't eat my mother.
There's companies I hate much more like Electronic Arts for having killed studios like Origin, Bullfrog, Westwood Studios and amstrung Bioware or Mythic. I don't see much people remembering that, though.

Spiney Norman
13-11-2015, 07:43
If this ends up with a plastic Warmaster - set in the Old World, of course - I will forgive everything.

In fairness, if they can set a game in the Horus heresy, 10,000 years before the front edge of the 40k timeline I don't see why they can't release a new game (or even an old game) set in the old world. It would be a pretty perfect bridging product from the Total War game as well as it would give you scope for much larger armies than wfb was capable of.

I guess we should probably temper our enthusiasm slightly, they're obviously not going to be releasing all these games in the next few weeks, still it's nice to have an announcement about their preferred direction though.

Allen
13-11-2015, 09:43
Their rules and play-testing are no better than main studio either. There is no chance of me getting excited until I can actually see good rules.

I know that only a Sith deals in absolutes, but that's really really REALLY wrong. Now if you tell me on the other hand that FW anf GW share issues on quality control or on products price-value I agree with you. But rules-wise? No.

While FW rules are not on par with other good non-GW game systems out there they're nonethless better than regular GW products. Like, very much way a lot better. You can't pick up a FW ruleset and a GW Codex and tell me with a straight face they're crappy at the same level. While FW have some room for improvement in the rules area they're way ahead of the utter nonsense GW main studio have published in the last years.

I agree with you and Hastings: we have to evaluate their products without any nostalgic influence before deciding if they're good or not. But a FW-managed new edition of old SP rulesets is WAY better than the dreaded alternative...a GW-managed new edition.

Alltaken
13-11-2015, 10:56
Where can I get more info on this news

Urgat
13-11-2015, 11:10
While FW rules are not on par with other good non-GW game systems out there they're nonethless better than regular GW products. Like, very much way a lot better. You can't pick up a FW ruleset and a GW Codex and tell me with a straight face they're crappy at the same level. While FW have some room for improvement in the rules area they're way ahead of the utter nonsense GW main studio have published in the last years.
Of course we can, GW has never with something that made as little sense as the squig launcher rules.

Allen
13-11-2015, 11:24
Of course we can, GW has never with something that made as little sense as the squig launcher rules.

I hope you're kidding. I'm not a GW or FW fanboy, far from it...but let's be honest: there are whole editions of GW main games that make little to no sense from the rule wording/structure and balancement point of view.

Urgat
13-11-2015, 11:30
I'll just assume you haven't seen the rules I'm talking about.

Deadhorse
13-11-2015, 11:35
It was not so long ago that GW produced the core, solid games while Forge World focused on making centerpiece models - with rules that were not exactly balanced or playtested, but allowed you to try your "giant shiny thing" on the battlefield.

I thought then the proportions were right - the core product was to gamers-hobbyists, but the FW "add-on" was for people who were hobbyists and could optionally play.

Some time goes by and, oh my, everything is backwards!

FW make better quality rules (and full games, apparently).
GW focuses on releasing models with "afterthought" level rules and fluff.

Oh well.

Zywus
13-11-2015, 11:50
Urgat, do you mean the Squig Gobba?

I haven't read the rules (please do stop beating around the bush and explain what makes so little sense about it), but I can hardly imagine it's rules making any less then what we have been blessed with in AoS from 'GW-proper'

FW actually puts out trial rules and (allegedly) listen to feedback and adjust as appropriate. 30k is miles ahead of 40k when if comes to balance and promoting 'realistic' armies.

Baragash
13-11-2015, 12:09
FW actually puts out trial rules and (allegedly) listen to feedback and adjust as appropriate. 30k is miles ahead of 40k when if comes to balance and promoting 'realistic' armies.

That's mainly "because Space Marines", and even then there's some pretty obvious issues (like Emperor's Children LA rule being obviously inferior and their Legion units being terrible). The last two Chaos Imperial Armour books, particularly IA13, were garbage from that perspective (presumably because they got 5 seconds of play-testing as HH is a priority).

Zywus
13-11-2015, 12:13
That's mainly "because Space Marines", and even then there's some pretty obvious issues (like Emperor's Children LA rule being obviously inferior and their Legion units being terrible). The last two Chaos Imperial Armour books, particularly IA13, were garbage from that perspective (presumably because they got 5 seconds of play-testing as HH is a priority).Not saying their rules are perfectly balanced, or even well balanced.
Just better than the masters of absolute bottom of the barrel ****-balance GW.

Allen
13-11-2015, 13:15
Not saying their rules are perfectly balanced, or even well balanced.
Just better than the masters of absolute bottom of the barrel ****-balance GW.

Yup.
Rulesets developed by Games Workshop Group (it does not matter if it's GW proper or subsidiaries like FW or ex-subsidiaries like Warhammer Historicals or Specialist Games) hardly are or were good stuff in general. Forgeworld or Specialist Games rules pales in comparison to Flames of War, Field of Glory, Hail Caesar or other more inspired/well developed rulesets...but if we compare GW Group's game systems between them, FW and SG comes on top - GW proper being at the very bottom of the page.

I find laughable that some ill-conceived book or rule published by FW is considered worse than the uninspired, unbalanced crap GW published in the last decade.

vlad78
13-11-2015, 13:19
I know that only a Sith deals in absolutes, but that's really really REALLY wrong. Now if you tell me on the other hand that FW anf GW share issues on quality control or on products price-value I agree with you. But rules-wise? No.

While FW rules are not on par with other good non-GW game systems out there they're nonethless better than regular GW products. Like, very much way a lot better. You can't pick up a FW ruleset and a GW Codex and tell me with a straight face they're crappy at the same level. While FW have some room for improvement in the rules area they're way ahead of the utter nonsense GW main studio have published in the last years.

I agree with you and Hastings: we have to evaluate their products without any nostalgic influence before deciding if they're good or not. But a FW-managed new edition of old SP rulesets is WAY better than the dreaded alternative...a GW-managed new edition.

I agree with that.

But the new specialist studio will face real competition here.

I will judge them over the quality of the minis, the inspiration of the sculpts, the ruleset, and above all, THE PRICE.

If it is FW pricing, they can't succeed in the long run. Even Star wars armada with a very high pricing is more reasonably costed than FW products.

Allen
13-11-2015, 13:53
But the new specialist studio will face real competition here.

I will judge them over the quality of the minis, the inspiration of the sculpts, the ruleset, and above all, THE PRICE.

If it is FW pricing, they can't succeed in the long run. Even Star wars armada with a very high pricing is more reasonably costed than FW products.


Seconded. The competition on skirmish games is fierce, both on miniature quality and on funny and innovative rule systems. As for the prices...I don't daydream: I fully expect FW pricing or, if we're lucky, GW pricing (which is only marginally lower). Since we're talking about skirmish games this is not as problematic as the premium prices AoS/WH40K players have to manage if they want to play with all GW pieces.

The most important thing for me is QUALITY. Quality of the rulesets, quality of the support the studio provide to their rulesets, quality of the sculpts. IF what they offer is better than the competion, I'm going to buy it. If it's not better I'm not going to buy anything - regardless of hype, nostalgia or whatever. I'm a customer, not a junkie.

Urgat
13-11-2015, 15:45
Urgat, do you mean the Squig Gobba?

I haven't read the rules (please do stop beating around the bush and explain what makes so little sense about it), but I can hardly imagine it's rules making any less then what we have been blessed with in AoS from 'GW-proper'

FW actually puts out trial rules and (allegedly) listen to feedback and adjust as appropriate. 30k is miles ahead of 40k when if comes to balance and promoting 'realistic' armies.

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?372015-Night-Goblin-Squig-Gobba&p=6762266&viewfull=1#post6762266

There, Avian analyzed it best.

I'll also add, it's just a (quite weak) warmachine in the end, why the hell a whole A4 page of rules (not counting the profile, mind) for something that does nothing extraordinary? FW tends to go into special rules overload the moment they write something. Back in the days of yore, there was that black and white fanzine that came with mail orders, Troll magazine I think it was called. They'd released rules for a similar unit, a troll lobbing squigs. It was more fun, better balanced AND simpler.

Lars Porsenna
13-11-2015, 15:54
I'd preorder a new Dark Future. Had hours of fun with that back in the day.

That's one of the games I missed back in the day (or I never saw it for sale in my local indie stores). I'd buy that too, especially since it looked better than Car Wars with a certain Mad Max vibe thrown in...

Damon.

Vos
13-11-2015, 19:01
Bloodbowl in resin from FW seems the most likely money spinning no brainer? And no I'm not wish listing, I never really liked BB and I remember playing 1st edition when at school!
Epic in resin? Apparently its all already out there in metal by the fans so I can't see this one?
Skirmish games? They've got AoS
Warmaster - that would be my dream if they were compatible with the old models but I think Warmaster is never coming back unfortunately

Vos

Buddy Bear
13-11-2015, 21:17
Hastings seems to be suggesting that we'll be seeing plastic models, not resin, and that Betrayal at Calth is the first example of Forge World putting out plastic products.

mbh1127
13-11-2015, 21:59
FW 8th edition rules were kinda weird for the most part. Maybe the 40k side is/was better.

Spiney Norman
13-11-2015, 22:20
http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?372015-Night-Goblin-Squig-Gobba&p=6762266&viewfull=1#post6762266

There, Avian analyzed it best.

I'll also add, it's just a (quite weak) warmachine in the end, why the hell a whole A4 page of rules (not counting the profile, mind) for something that does nothing extraordinary? FW tends to go into special rules overload the moment they write something. Back in the days of yore, there was that black and white fanzine that came with mail orders, Troll magazine I think it was called. They'd released rules for a similar unit, a troll lobbing squigs. It was more fun, better balanced AND simpler.

Fair enough, personally I love my squig Gobba, I think it's characterful and completely hilarious (i.e. exactly what a goblin war machine should be). Do I wish it had another 12" of range, yes definitely and is it easier sometimes to just count it as a second doom diver - yes, but it's not overpowered, it doesn't break the game nor is it completely worthless, so it obviously wasn't designed by GW main.

I kind of feel like the Forgeworld team have a significant advantage when redoing the specialist games in that they probably played them fairly extensively the first time round and remember them fondly. I have trouble believing the GW design studio even play the games they are designing now when I look at some of the formations they have been churning out for 40k.

Smooth Boy
14-11-2015, 06:55
Don't know if this has been posted but GW have a section for 'boxed games' on their featured tab now, has the assassin game and Betrayal at Calth on it. I suppose it ties in with SG coming back in a more Fantasy Flight style way.

Dosiere
14-11-2015, 07:01
http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?372015-Night-Goblin-Squig-Gobba&p=6762266&viewfull=1#post6762266

There, Avian analyzed it best.

I'll also add, it's just a (quite weak) warmachine in the end, why the hell a whole A4 page of rules (not counting the profile, mind) for something that does nothing extraordinary? FW tends to go into special rules overload the moment they write something. Back in the days of yore, there was that black and white fanzine that came with mail orders, Troll magazine I think it was called. They'd released rules for a similar unit, a troll lobbing squigs. It was more fun, better balanced AND simpler.

This is very true about the special rules. They really go nuts on special rules. It's cool, but not at the same time. Adds character sometimes, but also complicates things.

Dosiere
14-11-2015, 07:10
FW 8th edition rules were kinda weird for the most part. Maybe the 40k side is/was better.

They are, specifically the Horus Heresy books though. Some of their other stuff for 40K is not great, there is a reason players often resisted FW rules in games until pretty recently. Compared to the craziness coming out of GW for 40K these days though most of the FW stuff seems entirely OK.

I would say its a simple matter of the Horus Heresy stuff getting enough attention from them. The other stuff just didn't warrant the amount of effort and playtesting/feedback that the HH stuff has. Still, they have shown they are entirely capable of putting out a quality game if they really want to. After looking into this a bit more I'm hopeful to see at least one good game come from all this, assuming they support them fully and don't make half of each game system and then stop.

Danforth
14-11-2015, 07:33
That's one of the games I missed back in the day (or I never saw it for sale in my local indie stores). I'd buy that too, especially since it looked better than Car Wars with a certain Mad Max vibe thrown in...

It was a bit of an odd one out, by then GW's boxed games were explicitly linked to the Warhammer IP (Blood Bowl, Epic) except for this odd-one-out mashup of Mad Max 2 and, erm, Mad Max 2 again :D I'd seen Car wars but, what, flat cardboard tiles versus Matchbox-scale cars with chain guns? No contest! The manual was great too, tons of world fluff, it was my first exposure to that sort of game, one with a fictional universe around it and through it that could inform your own enjoyment of the game and contribute to your customisation of it.

I have kids now and was thinking in a few years they might like to try playing. That and Heroquest...

Edit: WAIT, WHAT http://www.pcgamer.com/games-workshops-dark-future-being-adapted-for-pc/

Kingrick
14-11-2015, 16:27
That's mainly "because Space Marines", and even then there's some pretty obvious issues (like Emperor's Children LA rule being obviously inferior and their Legion units being terrible). The last two Chaos Imperial Armour books, particularly IA13, were garbage from that perspective (presumably because they got 5 seconds of play-testing as HH is a priority).

what is so garbage about IA13? I actually quite like that book. The renegades and heretics army is quite interesting to me.

Baragash
14-11-2015, 20:15
what is so garbage about IA13? I actually quite like that book. The renegades and heretics army is quite interesting to me.

There's approx 4 units that are obviously under-priced or lack internal balance and the rest is over-priced.

Rogue
15-11-2015, 15:39
Warhammer Fantasy Battle too ?

Are GW changing their politics after Age of Sigmar reception ?

Keep dreaming buddy. The following companies have Mass Rank and File Fantasy style games that are either in the works or out in the market:

http://www.manticgames.com/

http://www.shieldwolfminiatures.com/index.php?dispatch=pages.view&page_id=28

http://www.avatars-of-war.com/eng/web/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=110&Itemid=51

http://scarabminiatures.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=70 (I add this because there is an official Fantasy rules pack for WAC from Scarab Miniatures)

These four companies were taking away market share little by little each year before WFB was killed by GW, now they are the ones who are taking the lead on this. Add the folks who quit the hobby all together and GW will have to do so much to win back their market share that it is untenable for them to do it. It is not impossible, but they would have to cannibalize their cash cow (40K) to do it, which I will believe it when I see it.

Urgat
15-11-2015, 18:14
it's not overpowered, it doesn't break the game nor is it completely worthless, so it obviously wasn't designed by GW main.
Right. There isn't a single monster in Monstrous Arcanum that comes close to the balance of, say, the arachnarok...

Vazalaar
15-11-2015, 19:39
Keep dreaming buddy. The following companies have Mass Rank and File Fantasy style games that are either in the works or out in the market:

http://www.manticgames.com/

http://www.shieldwolfminiatures.com/index.php?dispatch=pages.view&page_id=28

http://www.avatars-of-war.com/eng/web/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=110&Itemid=51

http://scarabminiatures.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=70 (I add this because there is an official Fantasy rules pack for WAC from Scarab Miniatures)

These four companies were taking away market share little by little each year before WFB was killed by GW, now they are the ones who are taking the lead on this. Add the folks who quit the hobby all together and GW will have to do so much to win back their market share that it is untenable for them to do it. It is not impossible, but they would have to cannibalize their cash cow (40K) to do it, which I will believe it when I see it.

Sorry, "taking away market share little by litte"? That's nonsenses. Only Mantic achieved some form of succes with KoW, but compared with Warhammer 8th edition it was still very tiny. Warthrone seems to me that it is only played in small numbers in Spain... . Shieldwolf miniatures??? While I hope they ruleset will be good, but be realistic, it first KS wasn't a huge succes.. while I hope that the second KS will be more of a succes, it's still very very tiny and to be honest if I support KS-2, it is mainly for the mini's.

Imo if people were slowly turning away from Warhammer 8th edition. It was for the ridiculous cost, almost zero communication and to few and slow FAQ.. . Not because the competition for mass ranked fantasy battles was so strong.. . Even with the death of Warhammer only KoW seems to profit from it.

akai
28-11-2015, 03:40
For all you armchair designers and critics that think you can do better and want to make it better :P:

http://jobs.games-workshop.com/category/global-studio/

Read about it from here:
https://scentofagamer.wordpress.com/2015/11/28/designers-wanted/

Edit: My bad, it was posted way back in the GW General Forum section - http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?414985-Specialist-Games-quot-Reboot-quot&p=7566910&viewfull=1#post7566910

scruffyryan
28-11-2015, 03:54
For all you armchair designers and critics that think you can do better and want to make it better :P:

http://jobs.games-workshop.com/category/global-studio/

Read about it from here:
https://scentofagamer.wordpress.com/2015/11/28/designers-wanted/

Edit: My bad, it was posted way back in the GW General Forum section - http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?414985-Specialist-Games-quot-Reboot-quot&p=7566910&viewfull=1#post7566910

Yes by all means take a job where the management who made these decisions (their game philosophy is p-much up on the internet)is going to continue to tell you to design in the same fashion you find obnoxious. That surely is a valuable use of time. I'm sure they'll move away from "we're a model company not a game company" because someone signs up to wage slave for them.

Drakkar du Chaos
28-11-2015, 08:46
For all you armchair designers and critics that think you can do better and want to make it better :P:

http://jobs.games-workshop.com/category/global-studio/

Read about it from here:
https://scentofagamer.wordpress.com/2015/11/28/designers-wanted/

Edit: My bad, it was posted way back in the GW General Forum section - http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?414985-Specialist-Games-quot-Reboot-quot&p=7566910&viewfull=1#post7566910

There is a reason why the brains behind GW golden age are not there anymore.
And i am not talking about Matt Ward.

logan054
28-11-2015, 09:35
For all you armchair designers and critics that think you can do better and want to make it better [emoji14]:

http://jobs.games-workshop.com/category/global-studio/

Read about it from here:
https://scentofagamer.wordpress.com/2015/11/28/designers-wanted/

Edit: My bad, it was posted way back in the GW General Forum section - http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?414985-Specialist-Games-quot-Reboot-quot&p=7566910&viewfull=1#post7566910
As great as that sounds, I don't think I'd want to live in Nottingham, kinda like London ;)

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daveNYC
01-12-2015, 20:59
Only thing I want out of the new Specialist Games is a full BFG relaunch. One book that covers the rules (all of them, from all the magazines, mark stuff as optional and give an indication as to how it changes game balance) and has stat lines for all the ships, no fluff. Do that one like the red rules books that FW has done for the HH. The second book would be the standard HH style mega-tome done as a Jane's Fighting Ships that has all the ships from the Great Crusade up until the 40k period with drawings and fluff blurbs. Also stick in a section for designing and pointing your own ship designs.