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RedDangus
16-11-2015, 16:28
I really want to get into 30k, but I am having an extremely difficult time picking a legion. I was hoping the community could help me settle on one. I want a traitor legion, and it has to be fluffy, but that's about all I've decided so far. So, my first instinct was World Eaters because I have a huge World Eaters army for 40k, go with what you know, right? But looking at what forgeworld has available, mark IV shoulder pads and mark II heads, I didn't think they'd go together that well (I bought the boxed game so I'll have a ton of mark IV armour). I like the Angron and Kharn models, not sure how I feel about the other units they have. I've also looked at Emporers Children. I like the fact they have mark IV heads and shoulder pads, and I love the look of the Phoenix terminator and kakophoni units. I'm not sure how I feel about Fulgrim as I think he looks more like a Final Fantasy character than a warhammer one, but if his rules are good then I suppose I don't care that much. I think the Sons of Horus models are sweet, but I don't care for the look of Night Lords. Death Guard and Alpha Legion are out as they aren't really my style.

Now I'm thinking maybe I should pick based on what rules they have available, yet I don't have any of the books. Which of the traitor legions brings interesting rules to the table?

I suppose in summary, between Emporers Children, World Eaters and Sons of Horus, which of the three have should I pick based on keeping them fluffy looking, and have rules that will be fun and fairly competitive? I'm not a power gamer but I don't want to pay for an army that's going to lose a majority of the time. And based on your suggestion, what are some mandatory units I should get?

Thanks

LegioDestructor
16-11-2015, 22:35
Given your choices I guess it boils down to, respectively, would you rather use a rapier, chainsaw, or broadsword?

Each Legion plays similarly to how they do in 40k, with specialist units that exemplify their favoured tactics; devastating charges, brutal crushing assaults, or precisely-placed killing blows. Rites alter the army composition further; ECs can outflank a chunk of their army, WEs assault stuff, and SoH are all about reserve-coordination. The 1d4 wiki (Google "4chan 30k") has a superb article to help you peruse the Legions until you get a FW book. I figure if you want to use World Eaters in 30k you have a substantial army to pick from already, especially if you aren't exactly thrilled with their FW options, but they're worth looking at. Units that caught my attention were Jump Pack Palatine Blades, Red Butchers, and Multimelta Justaerin.

Spiney Norman
16-11-2015, 22:57
I really want to get into 30k, but I am having an extremely difficult time picking a legion. I was hoping the community could help me settle on one. I want a traitor legion, and it has to be fluffy, but that's about all I've decided so far. So, my first instinct was World Eaters because I have a huge World Eaters army for 40k, go with what you know, right? But looking at what forgeworld has available, mark IV shoulder pads and mark II heads, I didn't think they'd go together that well (I bought the boxed game so I'll have a ton of mark IV armour). I like the Angron and Kharn models, not sure how I feel about the other units they have. I've also looked at Emporers Children. I like the fact they have mark IV heads and shoulder pads, and I love the look of the Phoenix terminator and kakophoni units. I'm not sure how I feel about Fulgrim as I think he looks more like a Final Fantasy character than a warhammer one, but if his rules are good then I suppose I don't care that much. I think the Sons of Horus models are sweet, but I don't care for the look of Night Lords. Death Guard and Alpha Legion are out as they aren't really my style.

Now I'm thinking maybe I should pick based on what rules they have available, yet I don't have any of the books. Which of the traitor legions brings interesting rules to the table?

I suppose in summary, between Emporers Children, World Eaters and Sons of Horus, which of the three have should I pick based on keeping them fluffy looking, and have rules that will be fun and fairly competitive? I'm not a power gamer but I don't want to pay for an army that's going to lose a majority of the time. And based on your suggestion, what are some mandatory units I should get?

Thanks

First a few important points to ponder
1. All the legions used all the available Marks of armour (certainly at the outset of the heresy all legions had plenty of mks 2-4), in my world eater heads look fine on Mkiv, Mkiv world eaters, SoH and EC are all very fluffy.

2. Think about what you like most about the hobby, is it the visuals of models, is it the story or is it the game itself? If it's the story that most attracts you to the heresy, which are your favourite novels, is there a particular scene from a particular book you want to base your force around?

If it's pretty models that really set you alight have a look at the legion unique units/characters/upgrade packs for the legions you're interested in.

If it's the game that you're primarily interested in you might want to look at the unique rules for each legion, esp their rite of war and see what they bring to the table that no other legion does. If the sort of army you have in mind works with one of the generic rites of war you can make that work for any legion.

narradisall
16-11-2015, 23:01
No Iron Warrior love? Thousand Sons?

I'm having the same trouble for my loyalist legion, it's worse because there aren't as many FW figures out for them. I agree Sons of Horus, Emperors Children and World Eaters do have some awesome models.

RedDangus
17-11-2015, 02:24
No Iron Warrior love? Thousand Sons?

Iron warriors wouldn't be bad I suppose, I'm just drawn towards the other legions' models more.

I'm not huge into the fluff, I've never read a novel or anything, I hardly even read the fluff from the codex. I think it comes down to the models and then the game. The trouble I'm having is I like the models from the three legions in question, so I'm looking for something else to decide by, namely the rules. The wiki on 4chan helped a bit, but it doesn't get into specifics. I don't have any of the forgeworld books yet because I was planning on making one big order and get books/models at the same time.

Spiney Norman
17-11-2015, 09:30
Iron warriors wouldn't be bad I suppose, I'm just drawn towards the other legions' models more.

I'm not huge into the fluff, I've never read a novel or anything, I hardly even read the fluff from the codex. I think it comes down to the models and then the game. The trouble I'm having is I like the models from the three legions in question, so I'm looking for something else to decide by, namely the rules. The wiki on 4chan helped a bit, but it doesn't get into specifics. I don't have any of the forgeworld books yet because I was planning on making one big order and get books/models at the same time.

Maybe have look at Alpha Legion, they have a nifty trick where they can field other legion's unique units, they're also one of the coolest legions in the fluff too.

agurus1
17-11-2015, 10:05
Word bearers look good in the MkIv as well

Spiney Norman
17-11-2015, 11:33
Word bearers look good in the MkIv as well

That they do, but I try not to be one of those guys who just replies to threads like this by telling people to collect his army.

Without allied contingents there's no way to get Justaerin, Phoenix terminators or kakophoni in a word bearers force, I'll admit though, once FW finally does a model for Argel Tal I will seriously consider an allied detachment of world eaters led by Kharn to recreate the heresy's greatest bromance on the table.

Getifa Ubazza
17-11-2015, 13:24
I'm not trolling honest, but if you want traitors, have you considered Dark Angels?

By that I obviously mean the Fallen and not trying to suggest Dark Angels are traitors. The Fallen to me are very interesting. Cypher alone, who would be cool to make a 30k conversion of by the way would be worthy of doing it. They are also pretty easy to paint and shouldn't be too common either, so giving you quite a unique force.

Or you could just go with World Eaters, as who doesn't want to kill maim burn, while collecting skulls for the Blood God? I know I for one can't resist the call and why would I want to anyway?

march10k
17-11-2015, 16:43
Alpha Legion are out as they aren't really my style.


You might not believe in Alpha Legion, but Alpha Legion believes in you!

:D:D:D:D:D:D

RedDangus
17-11-2015, 19:43
You might not believe in Alpha Legion, but Alpha Legion believes in you!

:D:D:D:D:D:D

I was able to find some good reviews on the legions and after reading them I've got to say that Alpha legion has sparked my interest. I just wish they had more distinct models to choose from.

narradisall
17-11-2015, 20:13
Oh that sounds nice, field all the cool other armies units and just say they're all alpharius

Perth
18-11-2015, 03:35
It doesn't matter what Legion you pick, it's actually going to be the Alpha Legion, even if you don't know it. Same for your opponent, who is actually Alpharius and already won the game three days ago. That's okay however, because you are also Alpharius and win the tournament four months from now.


In all seriousness though, the Alpha Legion gets a lot of flak for being super spies and nothing else. What people tend to overlook is that the Alpha Legion is, well, a Legion, one of the largest actually. They are also probably the Legion that fields the most different types of wargear, be it specialist infantry, tanks, super heavies, fliers, allied cannon fodder, ect. Everything has a place in the plan, working where it's most effective.

If you want to avoid being locked down in a specific play style, seriously consider the XXth.