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benvoliothefirst
10-12-2015, 14:32
I'm surprised no one else is discussing this, unless I'm on the wrong forum, in which case apologies and mods please move.

As far as I can tell, the End Times books were a massive success for GW, to the point where we were all tripping over ourselves to get the limited editions. Then they released paperback versions.

And now, FOR SOME REASON, they are re-releasing JUST the narrative paperbacks in a single collection. (No surprise about the RULE books not being included, of course, since they are all invalid now... ::bangs head on desk:: )

My question to you then, Warseer, is... just who the HELL is left to BUY these? Everyone who ever played Fantasy either has the whole collection already, or decided they didn't like The End Times and skipped them.

Do they think AoS players want to read about the world that no longer exists? Remember, "backstory is what ruined Star Wars," according to many.

For the first time, I am GENUINELY interested in how well something sells. This smells like disaster to me.

Philhelm
10-12-2015, 14:37
I'd theoretically be interested in the book, but not for that insane price. I purchased the first End Times book, but my hobby budget wasn't such that I was going to spend $70 every couple of months for a book. Perhaps that means that I wasn't one of GW's target customers.

Herzlos
10-12-2015, 14:41
I'd be interested in a paperback ET collection, for something to read, but at closer to $50 that $165. All reports are that whilst the books started great, they end up pretty terrible (in terms of story/writing quality).

So I guess I don't know.

(P.S. I thought you meant ET the Extra Terrestrial movie from the 80s. I was somewhat disappointed you meant End Times).

StygianBeach
10-12-2015, 14:42
Do they think AoS players want to read about the world that no longer exists? Remember, "backstory is what ruined Star Wars," according to many.



I just found about a backstory that Darth Vader had secretly trained a Padawan that helped the Rebellion. What a horrible, bad, terrible idea. Some back story is fine, an idea such as this should only be explored in fan fiction (or alternate reality parody fiction).

HelloKitty
10-12-2015, 15:00
I seriously doubt anyone will buy the collection for $165.

Darth Alec
10-12-2015, 15:03
As a person who thought the End Times were a jolly good read, I can see a market for these. If I didn't have these, and they weren't absurdly priced, I would definitely consider buying them.

If I was new into AoS, I might also be tempted. It's not like the Old World doesn't have a lot of good lore. The major issue is how the End Times need a lot of understanding of the Old World to make sense, which you wouldn't have if you were new.

I'm guessing these are either a "we had the product, let's just try to sell them", or a genuine belief that there are a lot of WHFB fans who didn't get ahold of the End Times the first time around. Neither position is entirely unreasonable.

MagicAngle
11-12-2015, 20:48
I'd guess that this release was supposed to serve the predicted influx of new gamers playing AoS, who were so inspired by the tremendous AoS setting that they just had to know where it all began.

I'd imagine there's fewer such people than GW anticipated.

sephiroth87
12-12-2015, 01:39
I have a vision in my mind of Tom Kirby forcing Jervis Johnson, the last remaining loyal employee, to get all the leftover end times books and shovel them into boxes. All the while, Tom Kirby sits in his office and snorts a pile of cocaine two feet high, Scarface-style.

GrandmasterWang
12-12-2015, 01:39
I still support GW releasing this pack. Anything in the 'Old World' is good. No plans to buy it but im glad GW are selling it

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Smooth Boy
12-12-2015, 09:39
I don't think it's a bad price, 100 for 5 books when FW charges 72 for 1 (even if the production is better). Unfortunately the direction it all took has soured them for me. As far as I'm concerned I'm just ignoring them.

veterannoob
12-12-2015, 10:13
Of AoS is drawing in some new customers or returning ones from 8th Ed. then I could see them wanting to pick this up. More so than any of his who bought these books, even though we didn't know how drastic the change that was coming.

Daniel36
12-12-2015, 10:41
Another ploy of GW to further **** us off. I have the ET hardbacks, but I wasn't happy about the price I had to pay for them (and I didn't even need a scalper to get them), so even if 165 is a ridiculous price, it's much less than what I spent on the same books, of which the story books were more important to me than the rules.

That sentence was too long.

Tokamak
12-12-2015, 10:56
I'm delighted to see End Times products back in the store though. Here's to hoping they'll silently phase out AoS and continue where they left off with End Times. Won't judge!

Flipmode
12-12-2015, 11:01
I am in a position of knowing about the Old World from playing fantasy years ago, missed ET, don't mind AoS.

If I bought physical books then I would probably be the one ideal customer for this, but I don't.

As others have said, since they had it, and it links to big Archie, flog it.

Darth Alec
12-12-2015, 17:29
Another ploy of GW to further **** us off. I have the ET hardbacks, but I wasn't happy about the price I had to pay for them (and I didn't even need a scalper to get them), so even if 165 is a ridiculous price, it's much less than what I spent on the same books, of which the story books were more important to me than the rules.

I'm not entirely sure if this is flamebaiting or serious.

Lord Dan
12-12-2015, 18:06
I'm not entirely sure if this is flamebaiting or serious.
Rule of thumb:

Opinion:
"The ET books are too expensive, and that's insane."

Flamebaiting:
"The ET books are too expensive, and anyone who buys them is insane."

Vazalaar
12-12-2015, 18:08
I'm delighted to see End Times products back in the store though. Here's to hoping they'll silently phase out AoS and continue where they left off with End Times. Won't judge!

That would be nice or that specialist games does something with it... i.e a Mordheim based game during the End Times... .

Darth Alec
12-12-2015, 18:16
Rule of thumb:

Opinion:
"The ET books are too expensive, and that's insane."

Flamebaiting:
"The ET books are too expensive, and anyone who buys them is insane."

What about "The ET books are too expensive, and GW is doing it to just to spite people"?

It isn't criticising the people of the board, but as far as opinions go it's quite aggressive. Though I guess it could count as venting/ranting as well.

Lord Dan
12-12-2015, 18:42
What about "The ET books are too expensive, and GW is doing it to just to spite people"?

It isn't criticising the people of the board, but as far as opinions go it's quite aggressive. Though I guess it could count as venting/ranting as well.
To be clear, if you ever have a concern over whether or not something is appropriate you're always encouraged to flag the post for a mod to review. In this case, another mod would weigh in with a second opinion.

Rogue Star
12-12-2015, 18:49
I have the ET hardbacks, but I wasn't happy about the price I had to pay for them (and I didn't even need a scalper to get them), so even if 165 is a ridiculous price, it's much less than what I spent on the same books, of which the story books were more important to me than the rules.

Well, these would not be hardback versions.

Honestly, I'm not surprised to see this... so much of Age of Sigmar requires, or at the very least encourages you to understand the lore of the Old World that it baffles me as to why even create a new setting at all... as an example, as a Skaven fan, assuming I come into Age of Sigmar, I see a Stormfiend... and all it tells me of (in Quest for Ghal Maraz) is that these are the products of twisted experiments. So I'm left to guess these are the creation of fusing a rat/skaven with an "Ogor"... is warpstone even a thing in this new setting? Does Clan Moulder exist to be the ones to create these abominations?

Pojko
12-12-2015, 19:18
I bought all the hardbacks on release. Yeah it was a lot of money, but I invested so much time and money in Warhammer that I just had to see how it all ended. And have the final chapters to my already extensive army book/fluff collection. No regrets here. Especially since I'll never buy into AoS. I suppose these books would be nice for people who have similar opinions as myself. Those who want an end and closure to the world, and pretend that nothing comes afterward.

Greyshadow
13-12-2015, 04:03
For the most part I thought the End Times series was the most amazing thing GW had ever done (less the last few pages of Archaon of course, they were the worse thing...). I didn't get Thanquol but what I read in the others was just incredible. Glottkin and Nagash were my favourites. I didn't really care for the rules books though, it was the narrative books I found amazing. If someone missed The End Times, $180 AUD is pretty cheap for what you get.

Jind_Singh
13-12-2015, 16:58
What's the issue - other than very real anger still at GW for killing off 8th Ed & WHFB?

As a business this totally makes sense:

- stock has already been paid for during the ET run
- gives access to hard copies for those interested
- if anyone buys them that's 5 less books to destroy
- doesn't cost anything major other than cost of adding an entry to the web store

As a gamer

- if you want JUST the stories then why not?
- still cheaper than when the original books came out, with now redundant rules
- keeps the Old World around for a new generation of players

I miss 8th Ed, I miss the Old World, I play both AoS and 8th, it's a busy time of the year with the Holiday Season - last thing we should waste time on is bitching about 5 great books that, like it or not, took us through an epic ride detailing an event that pretty much every Old Worlder has thought about at one time or another

(Personal note, I was really hoping that by the end of the ET series the Old World was going to be a Mad Max style of place, shattered nations with hold out groups of fighters - which kind of is what AoS is but at the same time it misses the mark from a narrative point of view)

veterannoob
13-12-2015, 17:14
it's a busy time of the year with the Holiday Season - last thing we should waste time on is bitching about 5 great books that, like it or not, took us through an epic ride detailing an event that pretty much every Old Worlder has thought about at one time or another


Indeed, 'tis the season to give and receive vouchers, gifts and plastic or resin crack, whichever be your poison:)

Herzlos
13-12-2015, 22:32
The problem I see with this set is that it's unlikely to appeal to the casual gamer in the same way as the 6th Ed 40K Codex collection* - anyone interested in paying 100 for these books a year after they launched, probably bought them at launch. You're still paying 20/book for fluff for a games world that no longer exists and you've probably seen the reviews that show the quality going downhill. If they merged them into a single End Times book for, say, 50, I could see a lot of people being tempted by them just for the sake of reading them.


*It was a great way to get up to speed on a set of new armies in a current rule set.

VMBTS
15-12-2015, 01:00
If they did this when it first came out, I would have bought it. Being only interested in the fluff, not selling story+rules as a bundle would have been great. Now that I know more or less everything relevant that happened, no point in buying (also quite expensive for a dead fluff book).

azdimy
15-12-2015, 03:29
Reading my ET books now. Good times!

SuperHappyTime
15-12-2015, 05:12
Do they think AoS players want to read about the world that no longer exists? Remember, "backstory is what ruined Star Wars," according to many.

Backstory isn't what ruined Star Wars. Poor storytelling did.

Honestly, I might buy them myself if I wasn't 100% certain they were overpriced.

$50-$60, yea, I'd pick them up in a jiffy.

Dosiere
15-12-2015, 05:54
As someone who missed most of the End Times stuff I would actually be interested in this just to have it and read it, even now. For that price though, no thanks, unfortunately. It's a rather ridiculous price for a few novels. Give me some regularly priced paperbacks and Id be all over it.

GrandmasterWang
15-12-2015, 06:07
Interested to see whether this sells more than the equivalent prices AOS fluff bundle

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Darth Alec
15-12-2015, 07:53
As someone who missed most of the End Times stuff I would actually be interested in this just to have it and read it, even now. For that price though, no thanks, unfortunately. It's a rather ridiculous price for a few novels. Give me some regularly priced paperbacks and Id be all over it.

To be fair, these aren't actually novels. They are full format fluff books. A4 pages, full colour, lots of pictures and tidbits. Still overpriced, but they aren't just novels.