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Kingly
27-12-2015, 12:10
Just thought I'd say I've found it peculiar that no one has directed any lambaste towards FFG or Disney regarding the closure of spacerocks, despite them using the exact same "Heavy handedness" That GW have used with their Pirating parties.

Seems a degree of favouritism is afoot, no one would want GW to lose their bad guy title after all ;)

Spellfire
27-12-2015, 12:37
I think it's been pretty much discussed thoroughly on the respective Facebook group pages, the FFG forums and Reddit. Also the C&D was issued by Disney so I don't think FFG deserve any wrath here. Also, while I'm in the process of claiming back my money for the Neb B order, if it's true that Space Rocks were recasting copyright ships for the wrecks then the letter was deserved. Also redacting the dates on the letter and deleting all Facebook presence without replying to messages didn't exactly garner any sympathy.

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zoggin-eck
27-12-2015, 12:39
Might have more to do with this forum still being GW focused. Compared to most general forums, there is very little talk here regarding X-wing/Armada or even FFG in general other than the odd "that's it, I'm quitting GW to play X-wing".

Besides, Disney being heavy-handed when protecting their IP isn't really a new thing.

ntw3001
27-12-2015, 12:54
I've never heard of it so I wasn't too concerned when I didn't hear about it.

smaxx
27-12-2015, 13:24
Nevah heard :)

Ghal Maraz
27-12-2015, 14:21
Just thought I'd say I've found it peculiar that no one has directed any lambaste towards FFG or Disney regarding the closure of spacerocks, despite them using the exact same "Heavy handedness" That GW have used with their Pirating parties.

Seems a degree of favouritism is afoot, no one would want GW to lose their bad guy title after all ;)
Is this a new kind of trolling thread? In my personal case, I'm not even sure what are you taking about, as I wasn't aware of any such thing and your OP isn't really informative.

But you couldn't avoid the snarky comment about forum users, obviously.

MarcoSkoll
27-12-2015, 15:19
If anyone wants to link to something useful, then maybe a meaningful discussion can occur, but I think I'm with many when I say I have no idea what the story is (and Googling "Space Rocks" doesn't seem to raise anything obvious).

Jim30
27-12-2015, 19:11
Given they were making direct knock offs of copyrighted vessels, they havent got a leg to stand on. No synpathy at all.

Zywus
27-12-2015, 19:30
I have no idea what the OP is talking about so I reckon that has more to do with it than any anti-favoritism against GW. (and of course this being a very GW-centric forum).

It's pretty silly to start a thread like this and assume everyone knows what you are talking about and not even provide a link to an article or anything.

ebbwar
27-12-2015, 21:13
Can't complain about what I have never heard of.

Dronevil
27-12-2015, 21:34
For anyone who doesn't know what this is about, letter available at:

http://www.space-rocks.co.uk/

Jim30
27-12-2015, 21:47
Space rocks used to make a range of 3d asteroids from foam for games like Xwing, which were genuinely very nice (I still have some). They then decided to make plaster casts of xwing vessels that had been destroyed and were floating as wreckage as debris - both asterod is and debris are key terrain features in xwing. These wreck models were direct casts of the models done by FFG that had been broken - not terribly sensible from a legal perspective to do this as it was blatantly using someones copyrighted designs and material. The final straw seems to have been the release of an Escort Frigate, which while a nice sculpt was a direct copy of the one from the films, marketed on amazon as an escort frigate for xwing the game and clearly using Disney IP without any legal permission at all to do so.

Had they stuck to asteroids and generic spaceship wrecks (e.g. like fantasy football) they'd probably have been okay. But using Star Wars IP without permission and using it for their own profit without even trying to get a licence was a very silly move to make and a clear cut case. Frankly its a miracle they lasted as long as they did. This isn't a 'spots the space marine' moment, this is as open and shut as it gets. Add to this some seriously bad customer service, coupled with what appears to be taking money for quite some time post C&D letter (hence blanking it out) while not actually delivering said orders (there is a lot of complaints about failure to deliver) and I have precisely zero sympathy for them.

Ben
28-12-2015, 02:59
In contrast GW were trying to set a legal precedent that would have outlawed after market car parts, all Apple compatible accessories, etc etc, which totted up to billions of dollars.

GW didn't understand copyright, and that you are fine to make pieces compatible with something someone else has created (hence Iphone covers, exhausts, etc etc). You aren't fine to directly recast things or openly completely copy someone else's existing property.

GW legal are nowhere near as competent as Disney Legal in their wildest dreams.

Ghal Maraz
28-12-2015, 08:10
I'll add another, unrelated point. But it still stands. This thread doesn't belong in this section of the forum.

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Pink Horror
29-12-2015, 03:08
In contrast GW were trying to set a legal precedent that would have outlawed after market car parts, all Apple compatible accessories, etc etc, which totted up to billions of dollars.

GW didn't understand copyright, and that you are fine to make pieces compatible with something someone else has created (hence Iphone covers, exhausts, etc etc). You aren't fine to directly recast things or openly completely copy someone else's existing property.

GW legal are nowhere near as competent as Disney Legal in their wildest dreams.
Car parts, phone accessories, and so on have nothing to do with copyright. They're functional. At best, non-functional features could be covered with a design patent.
A Space Marine miniature is a creative work protected by copyright. A shoulder pad or a gun designed for the miniature may or may not be a "derivative work". In my opinion it is a gray area. Either way, no precedent would apply to things that have no copyright in the first place. However much GW understands about copyright, you know even less than them.

Khaines Wrath
29-12-2015, 03:14
Literally one of the dumbest threads I've seen in yonks. Pretty spectacular fail.

Hishbishy
29-12-2015, 03:45
Just thought I'd say I've found it peculiar that no one has directed any lambaste towards FFG or Disney regarding the closure of spacerocks, despite them using the exact same "Heavy handedness" That GW have used with their Pirating parties.

Seems a degree of favouritism is afoot, no one would want GW to lose their bad guy title after all ;)

You're roughly as clueless about copyright as GW is.

Spiney Norman
29-12-2015, 12:28
You mean that GW isn't the only company to issue C&D letters to companies that infringe their IP?

How shocking...

stroller
30-12-2015, 08:22
"Heavy handedness" huh? anyone know any lawyers renowned for subtlety? Besides, the letter's presence on their website seems to indicate pretty clearly that Spacerocks were being naughty boys and girls and have now had to stop. All that "pretty please" might have achieved was a delay in this happening. Seems perfectly reasonable here.

forthegloryofkazadekrund
30-12-2015, 22:54
Wondering why Mel Miniatures/Shapeways have not had one yet as they are basicly making Star Wars models to sell and they have been going for a while now

theredknight
31-12-2015, 07:15
100% with disney here

Herzlos
31-12-2015, 07:53
In contrast GW were trying to set a legal precedent that would have outlawed after market car parts, all Apple compatible accessories, etc etc, which totted up to billions of dollars.

Exactly. GW's approach has been that if you make anything that you can use with GW games, that's an infringement (of some sort), and have tried to shut down companies for using words like "space marine", "plasma" and "halberd".

Disney, on the other hand, are perfectly right to request spacerocks stop selling recasts of Disney IP.

When you're worse than Disney when it comes to IP protection, then you've got a real problem.

shelfunit.
31-12-2015, 16:33
Just thought I'd say I've found it peculiar that no one has directed any lambaste towards FFG or Disney regarding the closure of spacerocks, despite them using the exact same "Heavy handedness" That GW have used with their Pirating parties.

Seems a degree of favouritism is afoot, no one would want GW to lose their bad guy title after all ;)

Seeing as how this is a GW discussion forum, that Disney has no relation to GW, and how this was related to stopping direct copies being made, something for which GW has never recieved any criticism, I find it peculiar that you think anyone would see a link :-/