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Crispian25
24-01-2016, 07:58
So this question has probably been asked and answered many times.

Why did only certain legions change their color scheme (and helmet ornamentation) following the Horus Heresy. Groups like the Ultramarines, White Scars, Imperial Fists, Salamanders, Iron Hands, and Raven Guard are the same in 40k as 30k. Even CSM groups are similar, such as the Night Lords, Word Bearers, and Iron Warriors stay almost the same. The Space Wolves haven't shown their 30k aspect yet, but cover art for books show them going from a steel grey to a bluish grey. Ignoring the Death Guard just being covered in goo, why did the World Eaters and Thousand Sons add huge helmet additions and go through a huge color scheme change? (White to Red makes a little sense due to Khorne Worship, but why completely change, and red to blue and yellow doesn't really make sense either.) The Dark Angels going from Black to Green (except the Ravenwing, ignoring the Deathwing due to the Hunt for the Fallen) also makes little sense. Has anyone found a good answer for this or can link me to a previous thread with the answer?

StrikeDeath
24-01-2016, 16:14
From what I remember it goes like this for the few you mentioned.

World Eaters white/Blue to Red/Brass... that's down to Khorne worship really. And that the Legion is shattered into small Khornate warbands that want little (if anything) to do with the Legion identity anymore. Helmet ornamentation is Chaos being Chaos and affecting armour.

Dark Angels was a Post-Caliban colour change, in theory it's done to differentiate the Loyalists from the Fallen as well as a way to remember the lush forests of there now lost homeworld. Ravenwing and Deathwing originally kept the classic black armour as they were elements being deployed throughout all the remaining Chapters of the First Legion and were thus above the regular marines. Dark Angels Deathwing changes to the bone scheme after 1 squad rescues a world from a Genestealer incursion by themselves.

Space Wolves is just a slight change to the grey, not as big a colour change when compared to the Dark Angels. Heck the Ultramarines have been various shades of blue, the Salamanders a few different shades of Green so minor changes like this are pretty normal really.

MagicHat
24-01-2016, 18:21
Word bearers went from gray-ish (http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-ES/Word-Bearers-Legion-Ashen-Circle) to red (http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-ES/Zardu-Layak-and-Blade-slaves-Bodyguard) during the Heresy.

World Eaters veterans had these (http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-ES/World-Eaters-Legion-MKII-Upgrade-Set-Veteran-Heads). Not a huge step from what they wear now. I recall reading that their armour is really just covered in layers of blood, but I don't know if that was a fan theory or not. Certainly sounds implausible.

Spiney Norman
24-01-2016, 19:10
Word bearers went from gray-ish (http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-ES/Word-Bearers-Legion-Ashen-Circle) to red (http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-ES/Zardu-Layak-and-Blade-slaves-Bodyguard) during the Heresy.

World Eaters veterans had these (http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-ES/World-Eaters-Legion-MKII-Upgrade-Set-Veteran-Heads). Not a huge step from what they wear now. I recall reading that their armour is really just covered in layers of blood, but I don't know if that was a fan theory or not. Certainly sounds implausible.

Iirc the word bearers colour change happened as Isstvan V and in the first instance was the result of them painting themselves with the blood of the loyalists, after the drop site massacre they adopted that red as their new legion colour scheme to represent having come 'out of the closet' in terms of their chaos affiliation.

The Black Shield
24-01-2016, 20:40
You missed the most substantial color changes, the Luna Wolves(white) to the Son's of Horus(sea foam green) to the Black Legion(black).

Crispian25
24-01-2016, 21:54
The Luna Wolves --> Sons of Horus happened pre-Heresy, though some response is welcome. Anyone know about the Thousand Sons and their extreme drastic change?

Charistoph
25-01-2016, 01:15
The Luna Wolves --> Sons of Horus happened pre-Heresy, though some response is welcome. Anyone know about the Thousand Sons and their extreme drastic change?

Another change due to Cult relationship, probably, and before Ahriman's curse as well. They were closer to Khorne's colors when the Wolves burned Prospero, and in 40K they are in the colors of Tzeentch.

Crispian25
26-01-2016, 00:25
Yes, but as of yet, the 30k cover art and the FW released heads have much smaller ornamentation than the stuff we see in 40K. Awaiting an official explanation, why would the armor change so much? And while the Chaos colors /can/ be explained as patron colors/affectations of the warp, why would they change so drastically when other legions are also warp touched (Emp Children did not change colors, whereas most Slaneesh stuff coming out of the studios is a deep purple in color and the EC are more pinkish/light purple). Is this a case of the studios not talking to each other? The large TS headpieces make a modicum of sense in the manner of the Egyptians they are based off of, but if the Rubric only sealed the armor, where did the headpieces come from when compared to the released head options. The Rubric marines would not have been able to remove their helmets to add them and the various sorcerers would not necessarily have made them all the same. This seems like a it could become an interesting option in the upcoming TS/SW Horus Heresy book to come.