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F.E.A.R.
16-04-2016, 20:30
After I was searching about why the Traitor Legions shout out "Death to the False Emperor" I stumbled on this text. The text is in the spoiler

Hold your tongue, heretic!"

The empty room shook with the impact of a ragged figure's body into a
sturdy and ancient rockrete wall. A burly man wrapped in a thick
leather coat and bearing the mark of the Inquisition easily hefted and
tossed the smaller person. Dust from centuries past were rocked from their
resting place and fell over the man-handled heretic. He gave out a series of
coughs before pleading, "Please! Please hear me! I know the truth!"

The squirming man tugged helplessly at the Inquisitor's arms, but
could not get even the slightest bit of relief from the hold. The
Inquisitor drew his face closer to the heretic; his long angled face becoming
faintly clearer to the helpless man as once hidden scars and blemishes
revealed themselves.

"What 'truth' could you possibly know that the Inquisition does not
have access to?"

"I know the truth about the Emperor!" The words barely escaped the
heretics lips before his body was flung some twenty feet into yet
another sturdy wall. His body smacked into it with a sickening thud before
falling to the ground in a broken heap. The Inquisitor walked towards the
battered figure on the ground; a highly noticeable look of disgust etched
across his face.

"For a heretic to speak His name to an Inquisitor of the Ordos
Hereticus is to welcome an execution!" He reached for his holster, "By the
authority of the Holy Adepts of Terra and the Inquisition of the immortal
Emperor of..."

"Hereticus Preservitae, Inquisitor Lexington." the heretic rasped,
interrupting the Inquisitor's sentence. Lexington halted his words
and his hand remained poised over his holster. For a brief moment, Inquisitor
Lexington experienced surprise for the first time in many long years.

"How do you know of Ordos Hereticus methods and of my name? Neither
parcel of knowledge was granted to you!"

"I know many things, Inquisitor," the man replied, dragging himself
to his feet, "and I request that you perform the Hereticus Preservitae."
"I do not intend to interrogate you, heretic. What makes you think
that I would soil my vox recorder with your vile speakings?" Lexington's
tone dropped slightly from aggressive to curious. This shift gave the
heretic a bit more confidence.

"Because you are an Inquisitor. Curiosity is in your nature as well
as your duties. Besides, what harm could the frail words of a battered
heretic do to a devoted Inquisitor of the Ordos Hereticus?"

Lexington stared at the man; his gaze piercing deep into the ragged
figure's soul and contemplating its worth. He slowly reached for his
Bolt Pistol, but instead grabbed for one of many belt pouches hanging
from his waist. His hand searched briefly and found the desired rectangular
box. He spoke the necessary information for cataloging a heretic
interrogation and finally placed the vox on a small piece of debris next to him.

"Tell me what you know."

"Do you know of the Horus Heresy, Inquisitor Lexington?"

"Of course I know of the most famous moment of Imperial history. The
Primarch, Horus, was swayed by the Dark Gods and turned Space Marines
against the Immortal Emperor of Mankind. Do not insult me, heretic!"

"I mean no insult, Inquisitor Lexington. I only wish to elaborate on
this event. You see, Horus was the first Primarch discovered by the
Emperor and so was his closest 'son'. In truth, Horus was more akin to a clone
than an offspring" The last statement clearly disgusted Lexington, but he
held his tongue. "After more and more of the other Primarchs were discovered,
the Emperor's attention was split amongst His 'sons' and His empire.
Horus felt jealousy and contempt for his 'father' and so was easily swayed
by the Ruinous Powers. With their gifts under his control, it was easy
to bring other Primarchs to his cause; even if they didn't want to."

"'Even if they didn't want to'? What are you implying?" Lexington's
curiosity was too much to remain silent.

"Not all of the Primarchs, nor their legions, wanted to rebel. But
with the influences of the Dark Gods instilled in him and the vast
experience he had among them, it was easy to manipulate them by means of a
spell."

"A spell?! Nonsense! Those legions were impure, defected! They chose
to rebel!"

"Yes, but not entirely under their own will. Daemonic possession only
furthered the control of some of the more pious warriors amongst the
legions. And with this great army at his beck and call, Horus began
that long civil war known as the Horus Heresy."

"You have yet to speak anything of value." Lexington reminded. The
heretic shook off the statement and continued.

"When things looked the most grim, Horus inexplicably dropped the
shields on his battle barge. The Emperor took this opportunity and made a
grand assault with the assistance of the Primarchs Rogal Dorn and
Sanguinius.
Sanguinius was the first to reach Horus and confronted him. Horus
attempted to turn the winged Primarch to his side, but Sanguinius
was too stubborn and head strong. He listened not to Horus's words and
attacked.
The battle was fierce, but Horus ultimately slew Sanguinius and
tossed his lifeless body to the ground. It was at this point that the Emporer
entered the bridge and engaged Horus in the most spectacular duel this
existence has ever known."
"Yes. Yes. The Emperor won the duel, slaying Horus. He payed the
ultimate price; however, and was carried off to the Golden Throne by Rogal
Dorn himself. That story is legendary. Your worth thus far, heretic,
is...."
Lexington was interrupted as the heretic held up his hand for
silence.

"No."

"No?"

"Yes. No. That ending is rumor at best."

"What are you getting at?"

"It is true that one was slain and one was near demise. Horus's dark
abilities were still quite strong, even near death. Before he fell
upon the deck, he set about implanting a single fog into the minds of all
in the room. Although Rogal Dorn was a Primarch, his prowess was on the
battlefield and not of daemonic spell warding. When he knelt down to
collect his Emperor, he grabbed the wrong corpse."

"What are you getting at, heretic?" Lexington looked tense and
extremely enraged at the predicted answer.

"What I'm saying, Inquisitor Lexington of the Ordos Hereticus, is
that the corpse sitting atop the Golden Throne is not the Emperor. It is and
always was Horus."

Faster than any eye could blink, Lexington drew his Bolt Pistol with
it's barrel centimeters away from the heretic's face. The heretic, half
expecting this, froze in place and attempted not to make any sudden
movements. Lexington breathed heavily and yelled at the man, "HOW
DARE YOU! You DARE to insult the Emperor in front of me?! I should kill
you where you stand!"

"You can try, Inquisitor, but it will take more than blessed Bolts
to kill me. I am cursed with immortality by the Dark Gods themselves. I
exist only to tell the truth; and I have."

"How could you possibly know what had transpired aboard that barge?!
How could you come to this despicable conclusion?!"

The heretic reached extremely slowly into his robes. Lexington
threatened to shoot, but the heretic ignored the warning and pulled out a small
canister. He offered it to the Inquisitor, but noticed he was in no
mood to accept it. He instead placed it upon the ground.

"What is this?"

"Proof."

Lexington slowly knelt down to collect the canister and gently
screwed the top off of it. A feint glow emanated from the interior as Lexington
withdrew the contents. It was a single, long feather. It's edges were
speckled a dark crimson and the mark of the Imperial eagle displayed
proudly across it's face. The Inquisitor stared at it in shock, "This
cannot be!"

"But it is, Inquisitor. A feather from the fallen body of Sanguinius,
Primarch of the Blood Angels."

"How did you...."

"I told you, I was there. I was servant to the Sons of Horus when the
battles occurred. I was there to observe and live. I speak truly,
Inquisitor, The Emperor is....."

The heretic had no time to finish before a rune encrusted Bolt round
exited Lexington's sidearm and entered the head of the heretic. The
Inquisitor spat upon the fallen corpse and carefully sealed the
precious artifact back into its container. Lexington knelt down to retrieve
his vox as well, when the ragged figure of the heretic slowly rose to his
feet.
Startled, Lexington instinctively drew his weapon and aimed it at the
heretic once more. A hail of exploded shrapnel rained down from the
heretic's face as his wound began to heal.

"Golden Throne! What heresy is this?"

"I told you, Inquisitor, I cannot die. I cannot be terminated so
easily as I've tried many times before."

"I swear by the Immortal Emperor of Mankind I shall see you dead!"

"Weren't you listening, it's not...." Lexington's loose finger upon
the trigger silenced the heretic. Realizing the predicted results of
this next execution attempt, He put down his weapon.

"But it doesn't make sense. If Horus is seated upon the Golden
Throne, then why has not the Imperium fallen to Chaos?"

"Because Horus is selfish and desires nothing more than power. Do you
think he would share it with anyone, even the Dark Gods?"

"How could no one know of this? Surely the traitor legions would
realize that their leader is behind the Imperium."

"Oh but they do, Inquisitor. After his return to Terra, his
influence upon the traitor legions was lifted. After they realized what had
occurred, it was too late. Their own battle-brothers chased them off into the Eye
of Terror without caring for a single plea of salvation by the marked
'traitors'. There they were fed upon by daemons and the Ruinous
Powers until the last vestiges of their sanity was gone. The Gods fed them
the truth about Horus and the last remnants of their sanity remembers
only that the Imperium worships a False Emporer. Horus planned this power
all along. He didn't want to crush the Emporer and assume the throne
since he would no doubt share it with Chaos. That is why he dropped the
shields on his battle barge. He staged his death and had his own enemies carry
him to his seat of power where they would protect him until the end of
time."

"But what of the Adeptus Custodes? They must know it is Horus."

"You are correct, Inquisitor. They discovered it was Horus, but much
too late. If they had revealed his ascension, the Imperium would tear
itself apart before it could rebuild. The safety of the Imperium was more
important of a consideration to think about. Also, Horus's psychic
energy made possible the Astronomicon. However, they vowed that no one else
would discover this and so protected the area against any who would
intrude."

Lexington had a wave of shock roll over him and was about to speak
when the heretic interrupted him, "Do you know of what a Daemon feeds
from?

"Yes. They feed from souls. Souls of psykers." Lexington sounded
weary.

"Just like the hundreds of souls sacrificed to the 'Emperor' every
day just to sustain him."

Lexington dropped to his knees and stared out into the distance. The
recent knowledge sweeping across his brain and unlocking questions.
Questions that he never thought he would ask himself as an
Inquisitor of the Imperium of Man. The heretic was relishing the Inquisitor's
state of being and knelt down beside him.

"Face it, Lexington, your Imperium is a false. The one you worship
is the same creature you've been raised to hate. You seek out to eliminate
the Emperor's enemies when His greatest rival is idolized by His own
servants. What do you think of that, Inquisitor?"

The heretic had no time to revel in the questioning as a large
silvered stake pierced his chest and impaled his heart. Lexington released
his grip and kicked the ragged defiler to the floor. The heretic had a look
of extreme agony on his face as the area surrounding the wound
incinerated and spread d to consume his entire anatomy to ash. As the
dust and ash blew across the floor, Inquisitor Lexington collected his vox. He
stared at it for what seemed to be an eternity until he smashed it
into a wall, destroying it utterly. He then collected the heretic's canister
containing its sacred cargo and left. He entered a loyal Inquisitor
of the Ordos Hereticus and exited an unsure man filled with confusion and
doubt about his god-like Emperor; the very tools of a heretic to the
Imperium of Man.

The ashes swirled and merged at the center of the room until the
full-bodied figure of the heretic became whole once more. He patted
his chest to check the wound, only to find a completely healthy (albeit
poorly groomed) chest. A small silhouetted vapor cloud appeared in the air
in front of him.

"Yes, my master?"

"You have failed yet again, slave! Your soul shall be consumed if you
cannot maintain a simple riot among the loyalists!"

"But the message of truth was spread to yet another Inquisitor, my
lord.
That makes a good number of their ranks aware of exactly whom they
serve."

"That traitor, Horus! He shall regret his actions once the Dark Gods
claim him again. Until then, slave, you have a cult to reform!

If this is true then what happened with the Emperor's body? Did the surviving Primarchs knew about this?

Scammel
16-04-2016, 21:47
That's fanfiction, I'm afraid. To my knowledge there's never been even a hint that the Emperor isn't the one on the throne, and this story omits the fact that the throne was only converted to a life-support machine on the instructions of the man himself at the last minute.

F.E.A.R.
16-04-2016, 21:53
That's fanfiction, I'm afraid. To my knowledge there's never been even a hint that the Emperor isn't the one on the throne, and this story omits the fact that the throne was only converted to a life-support machine on the instructions of the man himself at the last minute.
Ahm. It sounds a lot of convincing even if it's fan fiction. But still what is the reason that they call him the False Emperor? I mean there were no shout outs "Death to the False Emperor? during the heresy, but afterwards?

insectum7
16-04-2016, 23:02
Why would traitors call for the death of "the Arch Traitor"?

Rogue Star
17-04-2016, 02:15
I mean there were no shout outs "Death to the False Emperor? during the heresy, but afterwards?

Actually it started during the Horus Heresy.

The Black Shield
17-04-2016, 02:51
It is said quite often in the novels.

Kakapo42
17-04-2016, 03:53
The other big flaw in that theory is that it ignores the events in among the Traitor Legions in the Eye of Terror. Fabius Bile stole the corpse of Horus (the Sons of Horus carried it back with them and entombed it) and used it to create a clone (which was eventually destroyed by the Black Legion). I think it would have been pretty obvious if the clone turned out to be a copy of The Emperor.


But still what is the reason that they call him the False Emperor? I mean there were no shout outs "Death to the False Emperor? during the heresy, but afterwards?

Because the Traitor Legions don't believe that The Emperor should be, well, emperor. Originally during the Heresy they considered Horus to be the rightful choice for emperor, afterwards following his death their opinions differ somewhat - some have other candidates instead (like Abaddon), others don't really care who it is any more, just as long as it isn't The Emperor.

Azazyll
17-04-2016, 13:01
The first to utter the words was the first captain of the Night Lords, Sevatar, at the very beginning of the Heres, ad seen in The First Heretic.

Emperor meant more than the word does to us, because of the being who used the title. Even if not yet a god the name he bore signified something greater. Note the significance attached to it in the very first pages of the first novel of the Heresy, Horus Rising, concerning a false emperor.

It's an interesting piece of fanfic, but fanfic nonetheless.

totgeboren
17-04-2016, 17:29
The BL supplement and the novel Talon of Horus both talk quite a bit about the aftermath of the failed Siege of Terra.
The theft and subsequent destruction of the body of Horus is a pretty significant part of how the Sons of Horus became the Black Legion, so this fanfic makes little sense given what we know.

Lord Damocles
17-04-2016, 19:01
If it's Horus on the Golden Throne, you have to accept that Dorn - who knew the Emperor - mistook his golden-armoured body for Horus' black-armoured body, and nobody else - including the Custodians - called him out on his mistake...

nagash66
17-04-2016, 19:23
If it's Horus on the Golden Throne, you have to accept that Dorn - who knew the Emperor - mistook his golden-armoured body for Horus' black-armoured body, and nobody else - including the Custodians - called him out on his mistake...

To be fair, Dorn is Dorn, man could mistake a planet wide deathtrap with a fair fight.

memitchell747
18-04-2016, 09:16
If the Chaos Gods grant immortality, surely Horus was already on the short list. Instead, he wilfully allows himself to be rendered near death to be placed as a living corpse on the Golden Throne (which did not exist at the time he made that decision)? At the peak of his power, with the conquest of Terra and the Imperium within his grasp? And, for the next ten thousand years he quite usefully provides the Astronomicum that enables the Imperium to travel the Galaxy. But, in no substantial way furthers the cause of Chaos during that time? Because he is selfish? And, the proof hinges on feeding upon souls, which is also imbedded in the "official" Emperor on the Golden Throne story, too? And, at the end of the day, it doesn't matter who is encased in the Golden Throne, the result remains the same.?

Not saying one way or the other, but there seem to be some unanswered questions here. The first being. "To what end?"

Inquisitor Engel
18-04-2016, 19:03
Ahm. It sounds a lot of convincing even if it's fan fiction. But still what is the reason that they call him the False Emperor? I mean there were no shout outs "Death to the False Emperor? during the heresy, but afterwards?

Jago "Sevatar" Sevatarion, First Captain of the VIII Legion, The Prince of Crows, Commander of the Atramentar, first coined the phrase prior to the Istvaan drop site massacre. The traitors used it throughout the Heresy.

F.E.A.R.
18-04-2016, 22:30
Jago "Sevatar" Sevatarion, First Captain of the VIII Legion, The Prince of Crows, Commander of the Atramentar, first coined the phrase prior to the Istvaan drop site massacre. The traitors used it throughout the Heresy.
Well for the records I know that the Legions shouted out the "Death to the False Emperor" after returning from the Eye of Terror. I know I was reading comments about a thread similar to this. Some members were insisting that there weren't any shout outs "Death to the False Emperor" during the HH.

Azazyll
19-04-2016, 12:39
Well for the records I know that the Legions shouted out the "Death to the False Emperor" after returning from the Eye of Terror. I know I was reading comments about a thread similar to this. Some members were insisting that there weren't any shout outs "Death to the False Emperor" during the HH.

And they were wrong. It's a clever and interesting little piece of fanfic, perhaps most because it shows how clever the lies of Chaos can be to sew doubt and heresy. The piece itself that even implies it's really a lie told to corrupt inquisitors.

Nothing irks me more about 40k fans than the common inability to understand the concept of an unreliable narrator. GW is very rightly trying to keep a little mystery and ambiguity in the setting. It's probably the most intellectually impressive thing they have going for them right now.

Rogue Star
19-04-2016, 14:09
Some members were insisting that there weren't any shout outs "Death to the False Emperor" during the HH.

But we know there were. And we know the Sons of Horus fled with his body. Fabius Bile attempted to clone it. Abaddon even took his Talon.

It's a fun bit of fanfiction, but since it was created there has been a lot of lore written that out and out shows, the Traitors fled with Horus' body.

Sai-Lauren
19-04-2016, 18:51
It's a theory that's been around for years (IIRC, there was a thread on this very subject about 6-7 years ago). But as others have said, it's completely untrue.

Koriel Zeth
26-04-2016, 19:48
It makes no sense, and it is clearly stated that it is indeed the emperor everywhere and never hinted otherwise in all of the several books that I have read on the subject.

Lord Damocles
26-04-2016, 19:51
In other news, the Old Ones created the Tyranids, and the Tau are Necrontyr..!

Rogue Star
27-04-2016, 06:50
In other news, the Old Ones created the Tyranids, and the Tau are Necrontyr..!

The irony is those all are looking more likely that they are true, with new evidence since fans threw those ideas out there. ;)