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Fangschrecken
21-04-2016, 17:42
Not sure where to put this so I went with general. It looks like GW got a new CEO a couple months back. Is this a good thing? Should we be hopeful about the company taking a new direction?

UndeadKing
21-04-2016, 18:37
Happened over a year ago. No. Same direction just more stuff coming out

sephiroth87
21-04-2016, 18:43
I think a lot is happening. I think it's hard to tell as of yet to be sure, but they've made several positive steps in the last year. Social media engagement, the start collecting deals, asking customers for questions for releasing a legitimate faq, and bringing back specialist games under forge world's direction. I think they still need to fix a lot of things, but it's hard not to see that changes have been made. They're trying to turn the ship around, but it will take another year or two to see whether they got it done in time.

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Inquisitor Engel
21-04-2016, 19:27
Happened over a year ago. No. Same direction just more stuff coming out

This is wholly incorrect.


I think a lot is happening. I think it's hard to tell as of yet to be sure, but they've made several positive steps in the last year. Social media engagement, the start collecting deals, asking customers for questions for releasing a legitimate faq, and bringing back specialist games under forge world's direction. I think they still need to fix a lot of things, but it's hard not to see that changes have been made. They're trying to turn the ship around, but it will take another year or two to see whether they got it done in time.


This is correct.

People expected change overnight, but the progress that has been made is positive on the whole. GW is a big ship, and big ships take time to turn.

Fangschrecken
21-04-2016, 19:42
Happened over a year ago. wow I really am out of the loop.

Smooth Boy
22-04-2016, 02:50
Kirby is the Emperor to Rowntree's Darth Vader. I would not expect much.

blackcherry
22-04-2016, 10:40
This thread probably belongs in GW General.

But yes, the new CEO has been slowly trying to change GW's corporate culture it seems - this has been reflected in the recent attempts to interact with the gaming community in some way. No-one can say if it's down to him specifically (after all, GW is large and these plans may have been put in motion before he became CEO) but its a positive step.


Kirby is the Emperor to Rowntree's Darth Vader. I would not expect much.

Charming.

Rogue Star
22-04-2016, 10:55
Kirby is the Emperor to Rowntree's Darth Vader. I would not expect much.

... um, Darth Vader threw the Emperor down a chasm... I'll be happy if this analogue plays out. :p

malisteen
22-04-2016, 12:16
Rumors are that Rowntree's been scheduling board meetings specifically at times when Kirby was unable to attend, listening to people who tell him things he might not want to hear as opposed to firing them, etc.

Sounds potentially like a positive shift, but it was part of a pile of rumors (http://natfka.blogspot.com/2016/04/40k-and-aos-rumors-blood-angels.html), most of which sounded more like wishful thinking or pure speculation than anything else, so.... *shrug*.

WarsmithGarathor94
22-04-2016, 19:06
I will wait to see if he changes much towarda gws attitude in regards to chaos factions

jbeil
22-04-2016, 21:22
To quote an ancient philosopher;

"Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss."

Smooth Boy
22-04-2016, 21:29
... um, Darth Vader threw the Emperor down a chasm... I'll be happy if this analogue plays out. :p

Maybe while Kirby's electrocuting Jes Goodwin on the floor Rowntree will step in.

"I know there's still good in you Rowntree"

Inquisitor Engel
24-04-2016, 01:55
Kirby is the Emperor to Rowntree's Darth Vader. I would not expect much.

So are you just ignoring the evidence to the contrary on purpose, or are you just here to troll?

Azazyll
24-04-2016, 10:46
To quote an ancient philosopher;

"Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss."

By that logic there was never an era where GW was well run, at which point I struggle to understand why we're all here in the first place.

Changer
24-04-2016, 13:47
By that logic there was never an era where GW was well run, at which point I struggle to understand why we're all here in the first place.

Said philosopher wasn“t sucessful enough to get his name remembered. Speaks for itself, doesn“t it ;)

blackcherry
24-04-2016, 20:03
I will wait to see if he changes much towarda gws attitude in regards to chaos factions

Your one track mind is a thing of beauty WarsmithGarathor94 :D

Smooth Boy
24-04-2016, 20:31
So are you just ignoring the evidence to the contrary on purpose, or are you just here to troll?

What evidence? Are you on the GW board? He's only been in a year and not much has really changed. I don't think we can say either way yet, but I assume since he's been with the company for decades under Kirby not much will change until its five minutes to midnight.

aprilmanha
24-04-2016, 21:12
What evidence? Are you on the GW board? He's only been in a year and not much has really changed. I don't think we can say either way yet, but I assume since he's been with the company for decades under Kirby not much will change until its five minutes to midnight.

While I won't say GW is on the mend, or fixed its ways, there have been a number of releases that feel like they would have never happened under the old order.
The knights game that just came out, while possibly just GW trying to shift Knight stock that has been clogging up space in a repack, could also be a positive step to try and spread the proliferation on Super heavy models to gamers who had been avoiding them until now.

By selling them at discount effectively (bulk purchase is the only discount gw do anyway) adding in a new set of rules which while quickly knocked together, could also be fun, it might get more knights into gamers hands and break down the resistance to large models in non-apoc games, where it still remains.

The Getting Started kits making a return, is another thing that it seemed was something GW were not doing any more, discounted entry points into the game.

Who knows, I'm still remaining sceptical for now but maybe it will turn out this new chap really has thrown Kirby into the Reactor and is listening to people who know what is really going on.

We can hope.

Smooth Boy
24-04-2016, 22:56
While I won't say GW is on the mend, or fixed its ways, there have been a number of releases that feel like they would have never happened under the old order.
The knights game that just came out, while possibly just GW trying to shift Knight stock that has been clogging up space in a repack, could also be a positive step to try and spread the proliferation on Super heavy models to gamers who had been avoiding them until now.

By selling them at discount effectively (bulk purchase is the only discount gw do anyway) adding in a new set of rules which while quickly knocked together, could also be fun, it might get more knights into gamers hands and break down the resistance to large models in non-apoc games, where it still remains.

The Getting Started kits making a return, is another thing that it seemed was something GW were not doing any more, discounted entry points into the game.

Who knows, I'm still remaining sceptical for now but maybe it will turn out this new chap really has thrown Kirby into the Reactor and is listening to people who know what is really going on.

We can hope.

To my dismay I still hold some hope for them but I think you were right the first time, it's a way to shift more knight models and not necessarily a trend. Speculate to accumulate so to speak, by selling a few knights at a discount (and they'll still be making a huge profit) they're just inviting other players to buy something to counter two knights. Looking at the recent Orc release in AoS they're still way over priced for what you get and it's hurting nobody but them. Anyway, a few special offers doesn't really do enough for me. It's nice to get something for less but what will the game be like be 2020? 28mm Adeptus Titanicus with some Aeronautica Imperialis on the side?

Real change would be getting the board out of the design room and going back to letting the model designers and artists do what they do best. Maybe hire some rule designers and take the whole hobby a bit more seriously rather than just being concerned about how cool the model look (or try to look). Maybe stop treating independent stockists like rubbish or tell staff at GW stores to tone down the 'hard sell'.

Thread asked what I thought of the new CEO, I give my honest opinion and Engel calls me either an idiot or a troll as if this change is obvious for all to see.

Inquisitor Engel
26-04-2016, 05:10
Thread asked what I thought of the new CEO, I give my honest opinion and Engel calls me either an idiot or a troll as if this change is obvious for all to see.

Because it is obvious to see.



Social Media being restarted (this is huge)
Start Collecting boxes (huge deals, all)
Automatic updates for digital codexes
Restarting Specialist Games
Rehiring some of the best veteran Games Developers to run those Specialist Games
Battle of Calth (could have hugely cannibalized FW sales)
Community-driven FAQ runs
Amping up of the licensing department, putting the GW brand out there in more quality-controlled ways rather than to every bidder
Age of Sigmar points and tournament support
Forge World going digital
Restarting "GamesDay" under the Warhammer Fest banner


Are they all huge, sweeping changes? No. Are they small steps taken to change the course of a huge, multi-million dollar company? Yes.

If you think GW under Rountree is the same GW as it was under Kirby, you're being willfully ignorant of the facts. If you're expecting overnight change, I challenge you to name a single company that's done what you're expecting a new CEO to do.

Mr. CyberPunk
26-04-2016, 05:35
I think a lot is happening. I think it's hard to tell as of yet to be sure, but they've made several positive steps in the last year. Social media engagement, the start collecting deals, asking customers for questions for releasing a legitimate faq, and bringing back specialist games under forge world's direction. I think they still need to fix a lot of things, but it's hard not to see that changes have been made. They're trying to turn the ship around, but it will take another year or two to see whether they got it done in time.

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I was about to post a comment but you already nailed it right out of the ballpark. Though, I would add that I personally feel the Start Collecting deals are getting a bit more praises than it deserves (really good for some factions, lukewarm for others) considering there nearly always was something similar with sometimes even better value than now (the mek mob kit for example). Yet, at the end of the days, if they don't fix their prices, I don't think businesses will pick up to the level it used to be.

agurus1
27-04-2016, 22:24
Think that the new announcement for Age of Sigmar is a big change, and a sign of a turning of ship for sure.

aprilmanha
28-04-2016, 07:54
It can take a while to turn an oil tanker... but we can hope it misses the iceberg!

Drakkar du Chaos
28-04-2016, 08:59
What evidence? Are you on the GW board? He's only been in a year and not much has really changed. I don't think we can say either way yet, but I assume since he's been with the company for decades under Kirby not much will change until its five minutes to midnight.

You must be blind.

Drakkar du Chaos
28-04-2016, 09:03
Because it is obvious to see.



Social Media being restarted (this is huge)
Start Collecting boxes (huge deals, all)
Automatic updates for digital codexes
Restarting Specialist Games
Rehiring some of the best veteran Games Developers to run those Specialist Games
Battle of Calth (could have hugely cannibalized FW sales)
Community-driven FAQ runs
Amping up of the licensing department, putting the GW brand out there in more quality-controlled ways rather than to every bidder
Age of Sigmar points and tournament support
Forge World going digital
Restarting "GamesDay" under the Warhammer Fest banner


Are they all huge, sweeping changes? No. Are they small steps taken to change the course of a huge, multi-million dollar company? Yes.

If you think GW under Rountree is the same GW as it was under Kirby, you're being willfully ignorant of the facts. If you're expecting overnight change, I challenge you to name a single company that's done what you're expecting a new CEO to do.

As much as i despise GW for AoS and how a mess 40K is, i must say i'm really happy with these change and think the future GW may been a lot shinier than what we used to have under decades of Kirby.
But there's still a lot to be done and until Fantasy is reset i will still grumble there and there about GW.

aprilmanha
28-04-2016, 09:19
As much as i despise GW for AoS and how a mess 40K is, i must say i'm really happy with these change and think the future GW may been a lot shinier than what we used to have under decades of Kirby.
But there's still a lot to be done and until Fantasy is reset i will still grumble there and there about GW.

Indeed, I would hope that all of the complaining people here (myself included) are still only here complaining as they still had hope things might turn around some day.

As you said, there is a lot to go, but these seem to be good signs that things are improving.

For people who claim that these changes are nothing and that there is no hope still for the company... why are you even still here if you don't have hope?

blackcherry
28-04-2016, 14:27
For people who claim that these changes are nothing and that there is no hope still for the company... why are you even still here if you don't have hope?

Having met a few people like that in real life, (not just wargaming related people) the bitterness is all they have left. It's too scary to change and go onto something new and let go, so they stick around and wallow in the comfort of what they already know. Even if it's toxic.

Does it make sense? No. But then we're rarely rational beings :p

skorczeny
28-04-2016, 14:49
Indeed, I would hope that all of the complaining people here (myself included) are still only here complaining as they still had hope things might turn around some day.

As you said, there is a lot to go, but these seem to be good signs that things are improving.

For people who claim that these changes are nothing and that there is no hope still for the company... why are you even still here if you don't have hope?

Yes, hoping things get better.

Part of the frustration with GW comes from the fact that some of the recent improvements aren't really improvements at all - it's just GW (at long last) undoing the problematic practices they adopted for some reason. For example: FAQs, supporting tournaments, social media.

aprilmanha
28-04-2016, 15:48
Yes, hoping things get better.

Part of the frustration with GW comes from the fact that some of the recent improvements aren't really improvements at all - it's just GW (at long last) undoing the problematic practices they adopted for some reason. For example: FAQs, supporting tournaments, social media.

Hope is still hope :P
And GW is getting back towards a better future by undoing its more recent bad practices.
It might not be back to its height of the 2000-2010's but it seems to be heading that way ever so slowly.

Of course this might all reverse in 2 months and it all get even worse, but I am not going to complain that GW are now doing things we have been saying they should have been doing (FAQs, supporting tournaments, social media. etc), and likewise I won't be cheering either.

Just as realistic and factual as can be, and *hope* they stay the course and can get back to being a company we can all be please to go to as customers.

The bearded one
28-04-2016, 16:31
Rumors are that Rowntree's been scheduling board meetings specifically at times when Kirby was unable to attend, listening to people who tell him things he might not want to hear as opposed to firing them, etc.

Ohhhh, corporate intrique! I like it!

skorczeny
28-04-2016, 17:54
Hope is still hope :P
And GW is getting back towards a better future by undoing its more recent bad practices.
It might not be back to its height of the 2000-2010's but it seems to be heading that way ever so slowly.

Of course this might all reverse in 2 months and it all get even worse, but I am not going to complain that GW are now doing things we have been saying they should have been doing (FAQs, supporting tournaments, social media. etc), and likewise I won't be cheering either.

Just as realistic and factual as can be, and *hope* they stay the course and can get back to being a company we can all be please to go to as customers.

Agreed. Smart take.

Inquisitor Engel
28-04-2016, 19:10
Part of the frustration with GW comes from the fact that some of the recent improvements aren't really improvements at all - it's just GW (at long last) undoing the problematic practices they adopted for some reason. For example: FAQs, supporting tournaments, social media.

So they're damned if they do, damned if they don't. Got it. :rolleyes:

The bearded one
28-04-2016, 20:22
Undoing a negative course is definitely an improvement over leaving that negative course in place. There's been a pretty consistent stream of developments over the past year or so where I was in my local GW and went "wow, hey, that's not something you see GW do very often!" Now I found out most likely why that is.

Lord Damocles
28-04-2016, 21:06
So they're damned if they do, damned if they don't. Got it. :rolleyes:
Innocent? There is no such thing as a plea of innocence in my court. A plea of innocence is guilty of wasting my time. Guilty!'

Smooth Boy
28-04-2016, 22:51
You must be blind.

You'll have to loan me that crystal ball sometime.

We'll have to agree to disagree, the small changes in the one year he's been CEO have been pretty minimal, opening an FB page and trying a few new marketing techniques.

As someone else in the Fantasy board said, "it's hard to thank the guy who, after breaking your legs, gives you crutches".

The bearded one
29-04-2016, 00:17
You'll have to loan me that crystal ball sometime.

We'll have to agree to disagree, the small changes in the one year he's been CEO have been pretty minimal, opening an FB page and trying a few new marketing techniques.

As someone else in the Fantasy board said, "it's hard to thank the guy who, after breaking your legs, gives you crutches".

A few days ago GW invited several community podcasts over in order to show them and discuss new AoS rules (which, incidentally, are intended to adress precisely what the community has asked for: points). I don't recall them ever having done that, and it's a massive change from "community? What community? And what's this internet thingy?" in a relatively short space of time - and it's a development that's not showing any signs of stopping.

aprilmanha
29-04-2016, 05:40
You'll have to loan me that crystal ball sometime.

We'll have to agree to disagree, the small changes in the one year he's been CEO have been pretty minimal, opening an FB page and trying a few new marketing techniques.

As someone else in the Fantasy board said, "it's hard to thank the guy who, after breaking your legs, gives you crutches".
But no one is suggesting we thank them for the crutches, just that at the moment we have people effectively sitting around claiming that there are no crutches, even when given them.

They don't need to cheer and praise anyone for those crutches, but denying the crutches is just odd.

Maybe the crutches are the first step before replacement super bionic legs?

I think I have taken this analogy a bit far :-P

blackcherry
29-04-2016, 09:06
I think the analogies, first to domestic abuse and then to breaking someone's legs, are pushing things a bit.

If people really feel that irrationally about Games Workshop, its time to step back and find another games system. Or at least disengage for a while to get a clearer perspective.

Gingerwerewolf
29-04-2016, 10:26
GW - Damned if they do what the fans want, Damned if they dont

Also, why the hell has this got to 3 pages long in 40k General? This is GW General surely

Rogue Star
29-04-2016, 11:04
As someone else in the Fantasy board said, "it's hard to thank the guy who, after breaking your legs, gives you crutches".

I know right?! Taking down THEIR Facebook page and THEIR Forums, cancelling THEIR Specialist Games... then having the NERVE to put them back up! No other companies stop selling products I like! Don't they understand the amount of time and effort we put into buying their stuff and enjoying it - and what do we get out of it? Nothing! It's the holocaust all over again. :mad:


I think the analogies, first to domestic abuse and then to breaking someone's legs, are pushing things a bit.

If people really feel that irrationally about Games Workshop, its time to step back and find another games system. Or at least disengage for a while to get a clearer perspective.

They must prove to me their products are worth my money, I can't just pay for things because I like or enjoy them or something... they must PROOOVE IT. :skull:

Hopewell
30-04-2016, 03:01
One thing that does seem to be overlooked here (mostly by the naysayers I have to point out, sorry guys) is cost.

As people have pointed out, GW is a big beast and with all the will in the world to make agile changes, you need to throw resources into it, ie cash.

Opening up social media for example is either a small part of someone's existing role, outsourced or they've employed a snotty, grotty marketing grad to do just that. Behind that will be someone providing artwork which is brand worthy. This simple change alone, probably UK based too, will not be cheap to instigate even if bolstering existing job roles.

Move on to the rest of the work being done, FAQs for example, this will be very resource hungry for already established rulesets.

Quick changes, no. I don't think that GW has the cash flow to enable this and even so, I think we'd see botched releases if they did. Albeit a tad skeptical, I am intrigued.

Voss
30-04-2016, 03:42
One thing that does seem to be overlooked here (mostly by the naysayers I have to point out, sorry guys) is cost.

As people have pointed out, GW is a big beast and with all the will in the world to make agile changes, you need to throw resources into it, ie cash.

Opening up social media for example is either a small part of someone's existing role, outsourced or they've employed a snotty, grotty marketing grad to do just that. Behind that will be someone providing artwork which is brand worthy. This simple change alone, probably UK based too, will not be cheap to instigate even if bolstering existing job roles.

Move on to the rest of the work being done, FAQs for example, this will be very resource hungry for already established rulesets.

Quick changes, no. I don't think that GW has the cash flow to enable this and even so, I think we'd see botched releases if they did. Albeit a tad skeptical, I am intrigued.

They clearly do have the cash flow to do it. The last several years have seen lump sums just tossed to the investors for want of any idea of how to improve the company with it.

Smooth Boy
30-04-2016, 04:43
I know right?! Taking down THEIR Facebook page and THEIR Forums, cancelling THEIR Specialist Games... then having the NERVE to put them back up! No other companies stop selling products I like! Don't they understand the amount of time and effort we put into buying their stuff and enjoying it - and what do we get out of it? Nothing! It's the holocaust all over again. :mad:



They must prove to me their products are worth my money, I can't just pay for things because I like or enjoy them or something... they must PROOOVE IT. :skull:

Right I'm going to stop replying to this thread because I can already see the aneurysms coming on from people.

And as for taking analogies too far, mentioning the Holocaust was in poor taste.

Inquisitor Engel
03-05-2016, 05:02
Opening up social media for example is either a small part of someone's existing role, outsourced or they've employed a snotty, grotty marketing grad to do just that. Behind that will be someone providing artwork which is brand worthy. This simple change alone, probably UK based too, will not be cheap to instigate even if bolstering existing job roles.

Indeed. I've run social media for a large corporation before, and it's not nearly as simple as it looks from the outside, especially when done well.

Even if they're outsourcing to someone like FanScape (which based on the posts that get made, is not the case) that's at least high six figures annually, plus creative time (which most social media agencies don't do).

Fangschrecken
03-05-2016, 21:22
If I recall correctly, GW had a yearly investment statement that said they didn't bother with market research or connecting with fans? So this would be a step in the right direction. Especially since they closed the forums in what 2005?

Tokamak
03-05-2016, 21:25
http://i.imgur.com/1vqu5gq.jpg

sand.zzz
04-05-2016, 16:27
Looking at the last few releases for Warhammer 40,000 suggests Games Workshop has not changed much.
Facebook, starter boxes, specialty games, and discounted Imperial Knights are great, but it doesnt mean there is fundamental change. The only way they will attract and keep new players is by offering a quality product. Clever (or not-so-clever) sales strategies are not a legitimate substitute. Their games need a massive amount of attention to the rules, and an approach that values quality gameplay. There are too many competitors nowadays to believe they can compete on IP alone.

The games need to be better, they need to be playable between two strangers. They need to offer all players an equal chance at winning a match. They need a loyal and reliable playerbase out there in every comic shop and game store thats wants to bring new people into the game/hobby. Right now there are legions of former customers, and people opposed to Games Workshop doing the opposite - talking people out of Warhammer.

The times have changed. Eldar codexes, game breaking formations, $150 model spam, terrain moving psychics, and power gaps between armies that are so huge, people dont even bother playing? That isnt going to cut it. Games Workshop and their new CEO will adapt, and soon, or they will continue to shrink.

Lord Damocles
04-05-2016, 17:08
They need to offer all players an equal chance at winning a match.
Gods, no.

A well constructed, thought out, army shouldn't face an 'equal chance at winning' as an army which is just a jumble of random units.
An army of nothing but Grot Mobs shouldn't have an equal chance of victory against an armoured company.

Nor should a better/more skilled player stand an equal chance at winning against a worse/less skilled player (given equal armies and luck).


There should be equality of opportunity, but not equality of outcome.

sand.zzz
04-05-2016, 17:49
A well constructed, thought out, army shouldn't face an 'equal chance at winning' as an army which is just a jumble of random units.

I said all players should have an equal chance, not all lists. What I should have said for clarity's sake was - all armies should have an equal chance. Lets not mince words or get caught up in semantics though; Warhammer 40,000 needs parity if Games Workshop wants it to grow.

Inquisitor Engel
04-05-2016, 18:46
Looking at the last few releases for Warhammer 40,000 suggests Games Workshop has not changed much.
Facebook, starter boxes, specialty games, and discounted Imperial Knights are great, but it doesnt mean there is fundamental change. The only way they will attract and keep new players is by offering a quality product.

I would argue that current GW models are the highest quality products that they've produced, ever, and much higher than their competitors by and large. Whether they're worth the price they're asking for is subjective, but the quality is much, much less so.


Clever (or not-so-clever) sales strategies are not a legitimate substitute. Their games need a massive amount of attention to the rules, and an approach that values quality gameplay.

Completely agree with the second point here, but not the first. Clever sales strategies are what make companies work. Period. Apple and Google are build on clever sales strategies.

Now, the second point is very salient. Right now, GW's biggest single 'bleed' source is probably X-Wing, which has EXTREMELY simple rules, combined with a ton of depth using the upgrade cards and different ships. GW went in a similar direction with Age of Sigmar - and guess what, people complained. People complained LOUD. Maybe they took it too far. Maybe it was down the wrong "simplicity" track.

Thing is, GW's games have NEVER been simple. Ever. They've certainly gotten more complicated, but they were never chess, they weren't even X-Wing.


There are too many competitors nowadays to believe they can compete on IP alone.

Yet they're still by miles and miles the largest war-games company out there. Period. Look at the reaction to the Dawn of War III announcement. GW can, and does, exist on IP alone right now. Look at all the other companies that have come and gone with their own IP's, or even licensed IP's (Starship Troopers! Made by Andy Chambers himself!).

Fixing mechanics and sales strategies is much, much easier than fixing your IP.


The games need to be better, they need to be playable between two strangers.

The number of people who play between two total strangers is an extreme, extreme minority. They need to be universally applicable sure, but not "chess."


They need to offer all players an equal chance at winning a match. They need a loyal and reliable playerbase out there in every comic shop and game store thats wants to bring new people into the game/hobby.

Lord Damocles addressed this better than I could.

Fangschrecken
07-05-2016, 18:45
That is true. GW has been putting out some of the best models for a while. I admit to hating the look of some of them *cough* santa logan *cough* but the skitarii are great and the newer chaos infantry they put out, warp talons and stuff, have looked pretty cool.

Ben
07-05-2016, 20:01
Rumors are that Rowntree's been scheduling board meetings specifically at times when Kirby was unable to attend, listening to people who tell him things he might not want to hear as opposed to firing them, etc.

Sounds potentially like a positive shift, but it was part of a pile of rumors (http://natfka.blogspot.com/2016/04/40k-and-aos-rumors-blood-angels.html), most of which sounded more like wishful thinking or pure speculation than anything else, so.... *shrug*.

The AoS points one has come true so far. We'll know what else is true come September when we find out if there is a new edition or not.

Also note this wasn't a rumour given to Nafka, but they took it from a private forum where there might be a reasonable expectation for it not to be passed on.

God forbid Nafka ever gets into the Facebook group for ex studio staff.

Tyberos
08-05-2016, 13:19
That is true. GW has been putting out some of the best models for a while. I admit to hating the look of some of them *cough* santa logan *cough* but the skitarii are great and the newer chaos infantry they put out, warp talons and stuff, have looked pretty cool.

Warp Talons? More like Morris Dancers of the Dark Gods.

Fangschrecken
08-05-2016, 14:57
Warp Talons? More like Morris Dancers of the Dark Gods.

Is there anything more terrifying?

Tokamak
09-05-2016, 12:04
As people have pointed out, GW is a big beast and with all the will in the world to make agile changes, you need to throw resources into it, ie cash.

Which makes throwing a stunt like AoS even more inexplicable.

Rogue Star
09-05-2016, 12:21
Which makes throwing a stunt like AoS even more inexplicable.

I still can't understand the logic of it myself. Given the current climate, you'd think they'd want to play safe, try to boost WHFB, rather than take a gamble...

But then it was planned three (now maybe four) years ago, so it's unlikely the new CEO had overall say on it... could have been for or against, but Kirby was still firmly grasping the wheel when stuff like "Sigmar's Blood" which were the beginnings of the End Times, were published.

Tokamak
09-05-2016, 12:47
I don't think they had any intention of creating a completely new game and releasing it within three years right after they published 8th. Age of Sigmar is a rush job and we're probably only seeing a fraction of what the developers wanted it to be before everything went into crunch-time.

Ben
10-05-2016, 00:04
The original decision for Age of Sigmar was made in 2012, when WFB was the third best selling wargame in the world.

That's how long ago it was made.

I don't disagree that AoS is a rush job, but Kirby was involved every step of the way in setting the parameters for it, and his attitude that GW customers don't care about the quality of rules and that the hobby is buying GW miniatures, not playing with GW miniatures, shines through in that.

herjan1987
10-05-2016, 01:38
The original decision for Age of Sigmar was made in 2012, when WFB was the third best selling wargame in the world.

That's how long ago it was made.

I don't disagree that AoS is a rush job, but Kirby was involved every step of the way in setting the parameters for it, and his attitude that GW customers don't care about the quality of rules and that the hobby is buying GW miniatures, not playing with GW miniatures, shines through in that.

Miniwargaming does vidoes on Triumph and Treachery guess what they have found in the rulebook:

https://youtu.be/ayeF2ap512s?t=153


This makes AoS even more laughable they had 3 years (!!!) to develop the game and come up with this. Sorry WHFB anytime althogh I see now ( bought a rulebook for £3.5 :P ) why new people looked at it and got scarred.

I still believe WHFB was a much fun and enjoyable game, with a fair amount of challange with it. Not to mention that you would more involved as further you go ( due to the time spent on the models ). GW made a bad decission. Question do they see this.

Arijharn
10-05-2016, 03:59
Because it is obvious to see.
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Are they all huge, sweeping changes? No. Are they small steps taken to change the course of a huge, multi-million dollar company? Yes.

If you think GW under Rountree is the same GW as it was under Kirby, you're being willfully ignorant of the facts. If you're expecting overnight change, I challenge you to name a single company that's done what you're expecting a new CEO to do.

For whatever it's worth. I fully agree with you. I think this all proves itself as a massive step forward for the company. I wont say that the FAQs themselves have been universally welcomed (some of them need even more clarifying), but just their introduction *has* been universally well received. Gamers have been asking for this interaction from them forever. I also think it's about a quick a solution you can implement as well, given that Facebook costs them nothing. The decision could have been made on Monday and implemented on Tuesday sort of thing.

silverstu
10-05-2016, 18:48
For whatever it's worth. I fully agree with you. I think this all proves itself as a massive step forward for the company. I wont say that the FAQs themselves have been universally welcomed (some of them need even more clarifying), but just their introduction *has* been universally well received. Gamers have been asking for this interaction from them forever. I also think it's about a quick a solution you can implement as well, given that Facebook costs them nothing. The decision could have been made on Monday and implemented on Tuesday sort of thing.

It still needs staffed competently and staff hours are not free- so they would have to hire or move good staff to man it plus [in the case of the FAQ's] direct other staff to provide support materials [again more hours]. The platform might not cost much [and Facebook gets businesses to pay to "promote" their content- i.e. get it seen by followers], inexpensive relative to GW yes, but it definitely isn't free if its resourced properly. I think things are definitely changing for the better- I'm pretty optimistic [hoping for BFG and Epic back with the new specialist games.]

Inquisitor Engel
11-05-2016, 16:36
. I also think it's about a quick a solution you can implement as well, given that Facebook costs them nothing. The decision could have been made on Monday and implemented on Tuesday sort of thing.

This is a dangerous assumption. Facebook costs businesses quite a bit. I know, I do this for a living. Organic reach on Facebook is now basically nothing, so you have to sponsor posts (the bigger your page, the more you have to budget for this), any design work is going to take away from other work by the designers, and unless you want Joe Random employee responding to things (you do not want this) you need a dedicated social media manager, as well as a platform to funnel requests properly if you're using it for support (we use Sprout social, but there are other tools).

It ain't as cheap as people make out.