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Lusall
05-05-2016, 17:02
Disclaimer...hope this is the ok forum for this. Many apologies if not.

Been on a long break from 40K...almost 6 years. But now that I have more time and desire to play, I learned that GW released plastic versions of my favorite Astartes armor, MK IV. So naturally, I purchased 6 boxes of the Betrayal at Calth box. (Local store had buy 2 get 1 free deals during the holidays). Sold off all my terminators because A) Terminators just aren't as great these days, from what I've gathered and B) I hate what they've done with the Dark Angels fluff...

Now the question is, what are some reasons that a Space Marine chapter might have all, mostly all, or simply a surplus of old MK IV armor?
Would it make sense or be possible that they, during a time of isolation (warp storm?) came upon a forge world or world that produces the armor or simply came upon a cache of the things? I thought about going with the Red Scorpions method where they give MK IV armor to vets or marines that are worthy of it but felt that might be a cop out. Same question could be asked of Cataphractii terminator armor and the contemptor Dread.

Another smaller question...I have a ton of Auto Cannons from Forge World's Horus Heresy, like Auto Cannons for legionaries and was thinking about using them as "Counts as" las cannons. Like...recoiless stubber cannons or something that they've had to use since they were in isolation or...just because.

I mean obviously I will end up using the models regardless...but being such a huge nerd, I'd like it to make sense within the fluff. Since that's more fun in my mind.

Lord Damocles
05-05-2016, 17:41
- The Chapter might has recovered a large cache of MkIV armour.
- The Chapter's forges specialise in the production of MkIV, either because they prefer the mark, or because that's all they've ever known how to produce.
- The Chapter has taken large amounts of MkIV from another Chapter or forge world as spoils of war.
- The Chapter has special requisition privileges because of [plot device].

flyingthruwater01
05-05-2016, 17:49
Isn't MkIV the type that was designed to be easy to manufacture and whose parts are easily swapped between different suits?

If your Chapter is in a period of rebuilding then they may have chosen that mark as it's the easiest to produce quickly?

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Lusall
05-05-2016, 17:57
Isn't MkIV the type that was designed to be easy to manufacture and whose parts are easily swapped between different suits?

If your Chapter is in a period of rebuilding then they may have chosen that mark as it's the easiest to produce quickly?

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That was MK V, Heresy armor. :)


- The Chapter might has recovered a large cache of MkIV armour.
- The Chapter's forges specialise in the production of MkIV, either because they prefer the mark, or because that's all they've ever known how to produce.
- The Chapter has taken large amounts of MkIV from another Chapter or forge world as spoils of war.
- The Chapter has special requisition privileges because of [plot device].

The second one was also on my mind, but I guess I thought that MK IV couldn't be made any more. Super nerd so...these kinds of question matter to me when making armies. lol

Asi the Red
05-05-2016, 23:18
Chapter recovered them from a lost Heresy era ship that was part of a space hulk, losing the bulk of their terminators in the process. Alternatively, Lexicanum mentions that the Iron Hands and Red Scorpions are still capable of producing Mk IV so perhaps your Chapter is an IH successor that acquired the capability from it's founding chapter.

I'd opt to use the Autocannons as Missile Launchers and just say the two profiles are the cannon being able to switch between armor piercing and high explosive rounds.

The Black Shield
06-05-2016, 00:50
The MkV is not actually a specific mark of armor, but a general term for all of the cobbled together suits of armor that the legions were forced to make/use during the Heresy. There is nothing out there that prevents you from using Mk IV armors.

Rogue Star
06-05-2016, 10:01
Well, you could always choose a Legion and play in FW's Horus Heresy rules, when everyone was running around in your favorite armour. ;)

But seriously, put them next to a Forgeworld. They held this area of space through the Heresy and the Scouring because of the vital location, and when the Legions were broken up given this particular region to safeguard into the future. The only downside is, they should be of the 2nd Founding...

Saunders
06-05-2016, 17:24
Bear in mind that in contemporary 40k, most of the pre-heresy suits tend to be venerated within the chapters and meticulously maintained by their users.

Lusall
06-05-2016, 17:50
Bear in mind that in contemporary 40k, most of the pre-heresy suits tend to be venerated within the chapters and meticulously maintained by their users.

True, and I don't want -all- of my marines (fluff wise anyway) to be in MK IV, just a larger portion than would normally be expected. Could also be that a part of the chapter, like 3, 4, or 5 companies were isolated and returned with a ton of MK IV armor. And it goes into another part of the fluff I want which is the Chapter frowns upon personal glory and outward shows of "honor and success" since that sort of thing should be expected. So instead of wearing medals and parchment they get suits of MK IV as they become vets. All their awards are placed on a wall in the Company's barracks or where ever and only worn upon death.


Well, you could always choose a Legion and play in FW's Horus Heresy rules, when everyone was running around in your favorite armour. ;)

But seriously, put them next to a Forgeworld. They held this area of space through the Heresy and the Scouring because of the vital location, and when the Legions were broken up given this particular region to safeguard into the future. The only downside is, they should be of the 2nd Founding...

Yeah, I know people hate second founding chapters. I had it in my mind that they would be 3-4 founding, which might help and make more sense as they're an Imperial/Crimson Fist successor. I think my best option is to do something like that though...Chapter caught in a warp storm/small section of space and isolated for long period of time and finds a forge world/abandoned forge world and use the MK IV armor there.

Lots of good info to think about as I write my terrible fan fiction for my chapter. Appreciate the feedback and advice!

unwanted
06-05-2016, 19:41
Mk. IV was supposedly the pinnacle of Power Armour, outshininig Mk. VI and even VII in most regards, and while it was more costly to produce, there's still production of it going on, as attested by the Red Scorpions. Just write in that they have somehow secured access to this Mk. either through being favoured by some local powerplayer (Mechanicus or Inquisition is the most used, but there could be other potentials, a powerful sector-commander, a High Lords pet project... What ever really!), or from an ancient armoury.